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09 Nov 05 - 07:44 AM (#1600573) Subject: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: GUEST There is a workshop on this Saturday (12th Nov) 10am-4pm at The Voicebox, Derby (DE1 1JQ) for people over 18 who would like to sing but who believe they cannot, or should not. Cost £20. Run by Vivien Ellis. |
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09 Nov 05 - 09:03 AM (#1600610) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: Paul Burke Hate to sound cynical, but isn't it a bit like saying "give me £20 and I'll tell you you've got a nice voice really"? |
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09 Nov 05 - 09:14 AM (#1600614) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: GUEST,leeneia You do sound cynical. Guest, who's Vivien Ellis? Perhaps there is hope. Tell us more. |
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09 Nov 05 - 11:33 AM (#1600661) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: GUEST,Annie Noble Hi! I am the organiser of the Singing workshop run by Vivien Ellis. Vivien has an international reputation as a performer of mediaeval, renaiisance and traditional music. She performs with The Dufay Collective, Sinfonye, and in her own duo, Alva. (Bells of Paradise; Love burns in me:)She has also performed with Keith Tippet's band, Tapestry and Stevie Wishart's contemporary group, Transients. I first met her about fifteen years ago, as a complete non-singer becaus of an evil primary school teacher! Vivien's premise is that everybody can sing and it is the Western choral tradition which has contributed to peoples' beliefs that they cannot. Her approach to singing is that it is part of being human and it used to be a part of the working life and social life of communities. So the workshop is definitively not about paying £20 and being told you have a nice voice! It is about undoing one's belief systems around singing and learning to enjoy it, in ways that aren't about standing up and singing in perfect tune in a choir or whatever. The workshop is happening on Saturday, November 12th at The VoiceBox in derby and there are still places availaable. it is an absolute bargain at £20 for the day and it will be good fun as well as illuminating. Starts at 10 am but come around 9.30 to get drinks and chats and paying out of the way. And bring your own lunch, drinks available. If you are interested you can contact me on 01335 324530 or annienoble2004@yahoo.co.uk Cheers, Annie |
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09 Nov 05 - 11:45 AM (#1600677) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: GUEST,Annie Noble Hi Paul, I am the organiser of the Can't Sing, Won't sing workshop in Derby. It could indeed be construed as a cynical attempt to take £20 off you and tell you you have a nice voice, But ... ! That's not what it's about! Vivien Ellis has an international reputation as a performer of mediaeval, renaissance and traditional music and has absolutely no interest in patronising people! I first met her about fourteen years ago at a voice and movement workshop for non-singers and went on to do another three afer that. I moved from being a most excellent mimer to having piano lessons, singing lessons and even daring to sing in a group. I wouldn't say i am the most confident person in the world even now, but at least I don't have a pan-technicon of hang-ups about it any more! Vivien's premise is that singing is part of being human and it is the choral tradition of Western society that has destroyed singing for many people. For her, song was once part of the working life and social life of a community and there was no such thing as a non-singer. The purpose of the workshop is to change people's beliefs about their voices, to gain confidence and to begin to enjoy singing for its own sake. Are you tempted? Are you still cynical? Would you like to know more? Tel no. is 01335 324530 or e-mail: annienoble2004@yahoo.co.uk There are places available. And it's a bargain at £20!! Cheers, Annie |
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09 Nov 05 - 11:56 AM (#1600693) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: Cyparissa Wow, this really sounds amazing. I've always wanted to sing, but I've never quite managed it. If there's any way I can possibly come, I'll do my best to be there. |
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09 Nov 05 - 12:33 PM (#1600756) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: GUEST,Annie Noble Hi, Cyparissa Give me a ring if you want travel details for getting to Foreman Street, which is where The Voicebox is. Hope you can make it. Cheers, Annie |
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10 Nov 05 - 12:30 PM (#1601548) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: John Routledge Looks worth getting back to the top. |
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10 Nov 05 - 03:22 PM (#1601629) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: Helen A a decade or so ago I went to a similar workshop at the National Oz Folk Festival in Canberra. A man whose name I won't remember held a similar workshop for a packed auditorium of people who suffered for whatever reason from the belief that they could not sing. It was a very worthwhile workshop and received rave reviews from most of the people I talked to who attended it. I hope your workshop goes well. If it wasn't the other side of the world I'd be there. Helen |
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11 Nov 05 - 06:40 AM (#1602175) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: Wyrd Sister Refresh |
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11 Nov 05 - 08:07 AM (#1602223) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: Cyparissa Well, I'm definitely going now, and I can't wait. If anyone else is coming, I'll see you there! |
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14 Nov 05 - 04:03 AM (#1604353) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: Paul Burke Didn't we have a great time? Well worth it, even if my thread turned out to be only plated on closer inspection. |
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14 Nov 05 - 09:51 AM (#1604577) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: CallyH It was fun! Would definitely go to another one. Rachel |
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14 Nov 05 - 12:20 PM (#1604706) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: Cyparissa Ditto, Cally. :) ~Pinky |
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14 Nov 05 - 05:10 PM (#1604972) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: Wyrd Sister I hope you are all keeping on singing (I am, even though it's just to the dog) Hope we can have a refresher in a few months. |
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15 Nov 05 - 10:03 AM (#1605460) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: s&r So many people are told they can't sing - by music teachers, friends, family. I'm with the premise here that everyone can sing: pitching the voice is a learned skill, as is holding a rhythm. The quality of the voice is to some degree a physiological thing but can only improve with guidance and practice. Formal music often calls for a voice type that is constrained into an unnatural way of singing (still sounds great IMO) but lullabies, work songs, pub songs, playgroung chants etc can be joyous and very musical I sang in the 'remnants' at school, and was devastated when I realised that it wasn't a compliment. Stu |
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15 Nov 05 - 10:31 AM (#1605491) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: MuddleC Pinky was well prepared... she had a duvet to hide under!!!! two days would have been good, I was just getting into singing AND 'dancing' when we had to finish.. |
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15 Nov 05 - 12:04 PM (#1605569) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: Cyparissa I was wishing for two days also. It'd be nice to spend the first day on more warming up exercises and whatnot, and then sing more actual songs on the second day. If there was one complaint I had with the class, it would be that I wish we'd gotten to sing more songs. Still, the exercises we learned have really helped me too. :) ~Pinky |
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16 Nov 05 - 09:07 AM (#1606368) Subject: RE: Can't Sing Won't Sing? Derby From: MuddleC well, I went to a new club last night and practised the 'holding the neck straight and wide shoulders technique'. The ceiling was that low in places, I could have banged my head! |