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21 Dec 05 - 10:06 AM (#1632128) Subject: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Peter T. Sir Elton and David get hitched, rice gets thrown, 18 year live ins get legal, joy spreads. According to Canada's opposition leader and potential Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, this should all be stopped. Same-sex marriage will undermine our social fabric, destroy the family, and who knows what. We have had it for a couple of years now, and of course the world came to an end, and darkness spread over the world. Heterosexuals suddenly began getting divorced, and single people started living together in unhallowed unions. I notice that Toyota is about to take over GM as the largest car manufacturer in the world, yours, Peter T. |
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21 Dec 05 - 04:04 PM (#1632403) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Joe Offer I'm still trying to figure out why gay marriage would be a threat to my straight one. I never have been able to understand that. Guess it must be true, though, since so many people say it's so. I think I feel threatened by the people who feel threatened.... Oh, and what's this bit about Adam and Eve and Adam and Steve? I'm really confused... Maybe it's all propaganda, huh? -Joe Offer- |
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21 Dec 05 - 04:36 PM (#1632426) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Peace It's been going on for years: "Don we now our gay apparel, tra la la la la la la la la." Much Ado About Nothing. May they live long and happy lives. PS Stephen Harper is a dolt. Any chance we can send him to the US and get Shatner back? (With apologies to our American friends.) |
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21 Dec 05 - 05:34 PM (#1632441) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: John MacKenzie Provocative title, I dread the arrival of David Hannam and his ilk. G. ☺ |
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21 Dec 05 - 05:37 PM (#1632444) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Little Hawk Yes, and the birds are leaving Canada. Truly, the time is nigh! |
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21 Dec 05 - 05:51 PM (#1632458) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Wesley S I saw a cartoon where a straight man was saying "This whole issue of gay marrage makes a mockery of all three of my marrages" |
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21 Dec 05 - 08:27 PM (#1632537) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: gnu At least Elton had the good sense to marry a Canuck. |
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21 Dec 05 - 08:39 PM (#1632547) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Bobert Well, gol danged!!! What's this world comin' to, anyway??? Nevermind, 'cause I'll tell you what... (spit...) I mean, hey, I got as much respect fir a good ol' fashioned amrriage between a man and a woman as the next guy but, hey, you all ever read the Old Testament??? Didn't think so... Let me fill you all in to somethin' that ylu prolly ain't nevered heared 'bout in yer liberal commie schools you go to but ti says that God created Adam (man) and Eve (woman) and he put them together in the Garden of Eden.. (spit...) Where was I... Oh, yeah... Did God put Adam and Adam in the Garden of Eden??? Well, heck no, He didn't... (spit...) Well, hope we don't have to have this talk again... (spit...) The Right Reverand Billy Bob |
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22 Dec 05 - 04:45 AM (#1632725) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Dave Hanson Having seen lesbian weddings on the news it always makes me wonder, if they don't like men................why does one or both of them try their best to look like one ? In the first UK lesbian wedding from Belfast, the bride/groom looked more masculine than me.......... and I've got a beard. eric |
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22 Dec 05 - 04:58 AM (#1632727) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: John MacKenzie Why do vegetarians dress Soya up to look like meat? G ☺ |
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22 Dec 05 - 05:16 AM (#1632738) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST,Dave Roberts The most surprising thing about this wedding must be the venue- Belfast. A lesbian friend of mine worked in the city in the 70s, during the worst of the troubles, and she said that Belfast had to be 'the worst city in the world to be gay in'. Truly times have changed. |
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22 Dec 05 - 05:17 AM (#1632739) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST,Dáithí Ó Geanainn Hi Bobert "...you all ever read the Old Testament???" Remind me again why words written down by an itinerant middle eastern desert tribe about their beliefs should have any relevance to me, living on a wet island off the coast of Europe. Dáithí |
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22 Dec 05 - 05:29 AM (#1632741) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Paul Burke Are vegetarians allowed to get married too then? And do they play hide the sausage? |
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22 Dec 05 - 05:34 AM (#1632744) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: George Papavgeris Good for them, I say. Though the concept of "tying the knot" had me wincing at some of the imagery. But on a serious note - this is not "marriage", not in the religious sense, so let the fanatics calm down. It is simply society's recognition of a relationship. It's not Elton that is coming out of the closet, but society itself - no longer pretending that such relationships don't exist or that they are somehow sick. |
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22 Dec 05 - 05:45 AM (#1632751) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Firecat I don't see what all the fuss is about. You can't help who you fall in love with. |
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22 Dec 05 - 05:52 AM (#1632756) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST,BazT All the people lined up on the roadside to try and ruin these couples special day make me sick. Why can't people just mind their own business? I mean, a gay couple love each other, decide to get hitched....BIG DEAL!! It's none of my business, and it's none of your business either! So why spend all day braying "Repent!" at them? Wankers. Sorry, had to get that off my chest. It annoys me that people have nothing better to do than try and tell others how they should or shouldn't run their lives. If someone stuck their face in mine to tell me who I can or can't love or marry, I'm afraid I would punch them square on the bracket until they stopped. Oh, one thing that made me laugh was a guy stood with all the haters with their placards with his own placard that read "The Earth Is Flat"! Quality! |
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22 Dec 05 - 07:54 AM (#1632799) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Pied Piper Woe and thrice woe. This is realy going to ruin Gods Christmas. PP |
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22 Dec 05 - 08:03 AM (#1632804) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST I wonder who the closet gays were in the bible stories. And why didn't they feel the warmth and love spread by jesus and stand up for their beliefs? Could it be they feared for their lives? |
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22 Dec 05 - 08:19 AM (#1632818) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: *daylia* I'm surprised Elton didn't save his strength to run the field he plays alone. |
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22 Dec 05 - 08:28 AM (#1632821) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Grab PP, I suspect that the God of these "pro-family" protesters isn't too happy about Christmas anyway, since we're celebrating some guy who went round promising peace, love and tolerance regardless of who you happen to be... |
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22 Dec 05 - 08:40 AM (#1632827) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: number 6 Gays Marry ... I think this is great! giok ... good one .. I too wonder vegetarians dress Soya up to look like meat ... and I'm guilty of doing just that myself. sIx |
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22 Dec 05 - 10:26 AM (#1632905) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Donuel The anti gay marriage ammendment is missing in action. Where'd it go? Is it only good for election time distraction and then it is put back in the closet? If they were serious they would declare a war. An honest to god shock and awe attack on gays, gay marriage, the founder of the FBI, US Senators, Pentagon staff, the Vatican, Hollywood, a few founding fathers, David in the bible and perhaps Jesus himself (if that exsponged dead sea scroll was accurate). |
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22 Dec 05 - 11:24 AM (#1632939) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST Giork. You ever tasted roast leg of soya and mint sauce? Soja Gigot!!!!Merde alors |
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22 Dec 05 - 11:54 AM (#1632978) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Ebbie Yeah, Donuel - and have about as much success defeating it as they have in the war against terror. Kind of cool, though: If we don't nip this in the bud, civilisation is doomed; marriage between decent people will be legislated out of existence because decent people will be embarrassed to admit they are married with the result that children will no longer know their parents... Civilisation is doomed, I tell you. Therefore: We declare war against Love. |
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22 Dec 05 - 11:55 AM (#1632984) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST,David Carter So how come I'm a "Guest"so suddenly? |
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22 Dec 05 - 12:05 PM (#1632998) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: MMario your cookie probably crumbled - go login. |
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22 Dec 05 - 12:07 PM (#1633000) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: David C. Carter Just did.Thanks. |
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22 Dec 05 - 12:11 PM (#1633002) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Bee-dubya-ell I don't see what the big deal about same sex marriage is. We heterosexuals have been having same sex marriages for years. We get married and after about two years the sex is always the same. |
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22 Dec 05 - 12:14 PM (#1633005) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: SunnySister When I want to study how long, healthy, loving relationships, I look to my friends and family for examples. It seems that two of the longest, healthest and happiest relationship that I know of happen to be two gay male couples. When I asked a member of one the couples, they both devoted to each other for over 15 years, what he thought of San Francisco Mayor allowing gay marriages back a year or so ago, he said that that would be great because as it stands my friend would not be allowed to visit his partner if his partner was placed in an intensive care unit in the hospital. Hearing this opened my eyes. It seems to me that this world has gotten things confused. Hate and war are the "in" things to believe and support. Love and tolerance are considered dangerous and subversive. Doesn't make sense to me and I won't hold my breath that it will make sense any time soon either. To love and caring relationships in all of their forms, --- SunnySister, who is a vegetarian who eats SmartDogs (veggie soy hot dogs on occasion) |
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22 Dec 05 - 12:15 PM (#1633007) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST,rarelamb Does love exist? |
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22 Dec 05 - 12:19 PM (#1633011) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Big Mick OK, lets see ...... ummmmhhh ...... We have planes taking down buildings, a President and a Prime Minister making a war based on phony intelligence, Middle class folks are getting their lunch handed to them, a crippling strike in NYC, my friends dog got her tail cut off in a door, I had a heart attack 18 months ago, I need to get busy on a CD.......... I guess I just don't have time to worry about this silly shit. Blessings on all people that decide to live together in love. Mick |
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22 Dec 05 - 12:48 PM (#1633041) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: John MacKenzie I scoffed loudly when I heard that our beloved leader Anthony Charles Lynton Blair sent his congratulations to Elton John and David Furnish on the occasion of their union. I notice that he didn't do the same for the first male homosexual couple to do this in Belfast. The Labour Party does not exist in Northern Ireland and to do so would have gained him no votes, so why bother. But Elton is famous, and Tony has always tried to toady up to pop celebrities, hoping it would gain him votes, and a few sycophantic headlines. This is all about TB preparing his place in history, and garnering votes for the Labour party! Giok.. |
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22 Dec 05 - 06:21 PM (#1633318) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Peace I abhor the word 'veggie'. Nothin' personal. |
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22 Dec 05 - 06:40 PM (#1633334) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST,guest Jesus was gay. Why do you think he wasn't in a heterosexual union? |
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22 Dec 05 - 07:05 PM (#1633354) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST,Yeah? You may be mistaken about that. I have read a good deal of alternative literature that suggests he WAS married, to the woman depicted as Mary Magdalene in the gospels (edited after the fact books) that the church priests in Constantinople eventually decided to make the "official" version. They wanted to cast things in a way that suited their particular viewpoint and their power structure, and they wanted to reduce Mary's importance in the Christian pantheon considerably. They also wanted to reinforce the rather new notion of a celibate priesthood. Jesus was referred to as "Rabbi" in the texts on several occasions. I don't believe you could be a rabbi in that society unless you were married...to a woman, needless to say. |
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22 Dec 05 - 09:00 PM (#1633418) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Once Famous Well, I'm glad these two fags can do it in England and not here. I wonder if they both have stock in a hemmoroid ointment company. This just continues to be the deterioration of British civilization. |
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22 Dec 05 - 09:15 PM (#1633431) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST Tut Tut Martin...jealousy does not become you. The Right Man will come along, patience old bean...stiff upper and all that. |
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22 Dec 05 - 11:05 PM (#1633507) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Donuel In the bible David states incontravertibly that he has sex with men. The reason why this was left in the bible is probably because he was a Jew and not a "disciple". here is visual proof that gay marriage is tearing the fabric of morality to shreds. http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/moral2.jpg |
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23 Dec 05 - 03:51 AM (#1633588) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Hrothgar Not being married does not mean that you are gay. If it does, I have problems I didn't even know about......... |
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23 Dec 05 - 04:19 AM (#1633598) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Paco Rabanne Ditto! |
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23 Dec 05 - 11:17 AM (#1633834) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: leftydee I think , if I read my history right, that Jesus probably was married. The reason being is that ALL men got married in that day. If he hadn't been married it would be quite remarkable and therefore probably mentioned by one of those who wrote the Gospels. If he was married, would it change anything? Would he be less to you? |
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23 Dec 05 - 11:30 AM (#1633841) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: kendall I'm sure glad the old testament didn't forbid having blue eyes. To condemn someone for being born gay makes about as much sense. |
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23 Dec 05 - 11:32 AM (#1633843) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: MMario hmmmm - people don't make this much stink about adulterers - and adultery is forbidden a lot more times in the bible then gay sex is. |
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23 Dec 05 - 11:37 AM (#1633848) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: John MacKenzie That's because they are married Mario! After all without marriage adultery is impossible. G. |
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23 Dec 05 - 12:57 PM (#1633911) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Ebbie "In the bible David states incontravertibly that he has sex with men." donuel Where in the Bible does it say that, Don? {I know about his beloved Jonathan, btw.} But where does it say that? I like the pictures you come up with, and I frequently value your input. However, sometimes you make a statement that someone disputes and you never answer that. I would appreciate an answer to this one: Where in the Bible does it say that, Don? |
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23 Dec 05 - 01:13 PM (#1633924) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: freda underhill Love is a fire. But whether it is going to warm your heart or burn down your house, you can never tell. |
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23 Dec 05 - 01:19 PM (#1633926) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Peace If I may interrupt here. It does not say that in the Bible. Many scholars have posited the possibility of a homosexual relationship--even argued the probability of such a relationship. However, the Bible itself doesn't state it in a claer manner. Whether or not it ever did (before the editing and rewrites) is beyond my knowledge. If one googles homosexuality and the Bible there is much argument to choose from. As is usual, some arguments better than others. The question is also alluded to in the Nag Hammadi (sp?) which I read years ago. As to His possible marriage: there is good argument in favour of such a belief. the wedding at Cana is fairly enticing. Traditionally, the groom served wine at Jewish weddings. It was very strange for a Jewish man (especially a rabbi) to be unmarried. What all this means I do not know. I think I never shall. |
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23 Dec 05 - 01:25 PM (#1633933) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: freda underhill The most important things to do in the world are to get something to eat, something to drink and somebody to love you. Brendan Behan |
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23 Dec 05 - 01:27 PM (#1633934) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST,rarelamb I love the old testament. That was when god was cool. Think of the story of Lott. Bunch of people want to bugger his angelic guests and so he sends out his daughters for a little bit of love :) Town burns down in a hail of godly vengence (Woot, wish I could have seen that!) and Lott's daughters get him drunk and well .....they didn't play cards :) I mean the story has everything. Sex, angels, big explosions, sex, upright protagonist, sex. |
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23 Dec 05 - 01:46 PM (#1633952) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: kendall The part you are talking about, MG, is Liviticus. That section also says that touching the skin of a dead pig is also condemned. Why don't we do away with football? Again, the name calling, we can do without that. |
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23 Dec 05 - 02:48 PM (#1634007) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: gnu GUEST, BazT said : "It annoys me that people have nothing better to do than try and tell others how they should or shouldn't run their lives. If someone stuck their face in mine to tell me who I can or can't love or marry, I'm afraid I would punch them square on the bracket until they stopped." Preface - I wish Elton and David a wonderful union. And, Rosie O'Donnell is as good a mother as any child could be brought up by. Now, here's the scoop. What could be more "in the face" than the largest Gay Parade on earth being PARADED through downtown Toronto and on the news and in the newspapers? It's just rude! What is not to understand? I was brought up to repect others. Perhaps some Golden Rule might apply here? Pierre Trudeau said it was time the government got out of the bedrooms of the nation... he did not say the bedroom should be paraded down Main Street. Some polite good manners in the gay community might help. |
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24 Dec 05 - 12:32 AM (#1634351) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: GUEST,Marion It's important to note that that bit in Leviticus doesn't say to not be gay - what it says is that you shouldn't have sex with men. So straight men and lesbians are OK - it's straight women and gay men that are sinners. Gnu said: What is not to understand? To tell you the truth, I don't really understand what offends you about the pride parade. Attendance is optional, and the straight people who choose to attend aren't told that they must be queer or that they shouldn't have equal freedoms. So how are anyone's rights infringed on? Is it the public nudity that bothers you? I doubt that the handful of naked men and topless women are being shown in the newspapers and TV news. You have to go out of your way to see them in person, and I think people know what to reasonably expect if they go to a pride parade. (Of course, shutting down Yonge and Church streets does inconvenience downtown drivers, but that's true of all parades and isn't a reason to pick on the pride parade). Marion |
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24 Dec 05 - 04:27 AM (#1634385) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: John MacKenzie It would be equally distasteful were the protagonists heterosexual. This vogue for flaunting ones bedroom habits in public is self indulgent exhibitionism. G |
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24 Dec 05 - 06:52 AM (#1634424) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Peter T. The "in your face" part of the gay tradition is a reaction to the years, centuries of closeting. It may very well fade away as acceptance grows. On the other hand, there are a lot of Canadian exhibitionists (cold weather is another form of closeting) -- we now seem to go in for Caribbean parades and gay parades at the drop of a flashy feather. It should all be seen against the historical backdrop of a really, really boring country. yours, Peter T. |
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24 Dec 05 - 08:36 AM (#1634464) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: alanabit It is so obviously fair to respect the right of people to live and share with whoever they see fit. The wonder is that it ever occurred to anyone to interfere. No gay person has ever seen the need to interfere in my bedroom. They have every right to require the same courtesy from me. Good luck to them. |
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24 Dec 05 - 09:31 AM (#1634489) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Donuel Ebbie, thanks. I am not a bible scholar, or even a devout browser, I am referring to the information given me via an NPR interview with the current poet laureate. He read the passage regarding David's lamentations of his beloved boy friend. David goes on to say explicitly what they did together and how it was far better and sensuous than it was with a woman. If the kid's name was Johnaton or not I am not sure but to recognize this passage as anything but sexual would have to be done with fingers crossed and blinders on. ..... btw I caught another interesting and easy typo. devour / devout |
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24 Dec 05 - 11:51 AM (#1634548) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Once Famous Donuel, that is complete crap. You are right you are not a bible scholar. According to the Torah, homosexuality is completely forbidden, even by the Reform movement. |
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24 Dec 05 - 12:00 PM (#1634556) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Peace "According to the Torah, homosexuality is completely forbidden, even by the Reform movement." You are right about the "Torah", Martin--but the CCAR says you may be wrong about the Reform view. |
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24 Dec 05 - 01:44 PM (#1634615) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: John MacKenzie That's better, the sound of people trying desperately to be liberal, was deafening. G.. |
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24 Dec 05 - 02:04 PM (#1634623) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Donuel hey I never said if it forbidden in the bible or not, I could care less. but descriptions of homsexual acts and affection...its there. |
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24 Dec 05 - 09:21 PM (#1634894) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Once Famous Gok, I don't try to sound liberal because I am not. For the far-left here, being a moderate is way too far to the right for them! Peace, I belong to a Reform congregation. My Rabbi tends to swing a bit more conservative which is OK with me. The Torah clearly states as he has read it to me that the torah is against homosexuality. Reform Jews who don't buy into this are like all other too far-left liberals who tend to make up their own rules for their own agendas. |
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24 Dec 05 - 09:27 PM (#1634897) Subject: RE: BS: World Comes To End, Gays Marry From: Peter T. Then perhaps it is time to update the Torah, like Leviticus. Why we should be obeying specific social rules set down for a bunch of tribesmen 3000 years ago in the desert continues to be a mystery to me. yours, Peter T. |
