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20 Dec 05 - 10:12 AM (#1631280) Subject: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,Nina Just to make it clear, if it weren't for Christ, there wouldn't be a Holiday or Christmas!! So call it like it is, CHRISTMAS!! Merry Christmas to all!! |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:15 AM (#1631286) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Strollin' Johnny Steady girl, don't want to cause offence to non-Christians. |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:20 AM (#1631294) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,Nina I like a good fight and I'm not afraid of offending them, they don;t care to offend me by taking God out of everything. |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:22 AM (#1631300) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: SINSULL Peace, Nina, for everyone. |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:24 AM (#1631303) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST Yeah. |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:28 AM (#1631314) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: WFDU - Ron Olesko "I like a good fight" and you consider yourself a good Christian? |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:30 AM (#1631319) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: gnu Oh-oh. |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:31 AM (#1631321) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Paco Rabanne Happy Christmas from sunny Hull. |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:35 AM (#1631328) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,Nina Yes I am. I know to stand up for what's right. My definition of a fight isn't physical, like you're probly thinking. It's standing up for what I think is right & not letting outsiders tell me what to say or beleive. |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:42 AM (#1631334) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,Nina Do you think Christians sit back, don't say anything and let people run over them? There are many definitions of a "good Christian". Whether I say my peace or not, it's my beleif & opinion. I was born & raised in the USA and I am proud of it. Hope you are proud of who you are too. God Bless You All!! Merry Christmas! |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:42 AM (#1631336) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Dave Earl So people who have a different faith from you are not allowed to declare whatever it is they believe but you are. Seems to me that you are coming from the standpoint as them so you can only be as wrong as you believe them to be. Why can't there be room for all faiths in this world? Happy Christmas (I prefer Happy rather than Merry) |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:45 AM (#1631343) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: wysiwyg Christian or not, trolling is trolling. You don't need to admonish "Guest, Nina"-- just don't take the bait. ~Susan |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:46 AM (#1631344) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST I beleive that everyone is intitled to believe what they want, whatever it may be. But why should I change everything I've done all my life to accomodate everyone from somewhere else? They don't go out of there way to change the laws & ways overseas to accomodate me!! |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:48 AM (#1631348) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: MMario Of course - even though you are completly incorrect - as without Christ we would still have a number of winter solstice holidays to choose among - but that's okay, because you are standing up for what you believe in, and it's okay to fight in a non-physical manner. You have amply demonstrated your belief by coming into a conversational area in a confrontational manner with a statement seemingly designed to inflame. But hey, Peace on Earth Good Will to All! |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:50 AM (#1631351) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST Good will to you too!! |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:56 AM (#1631360) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,A I am not at all concerned about the status of various foreign religions. I live in the US, it is still predominatly Christian and therefore, MERRY/HAPPY CHRISTMAS! To others, Happy Hannukah, Happy Kwanza, etc. For the non-believers, not to worry about something that is nonexistant. Thanks, Nina! |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:58 AM (#1631365) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST Thank you!! |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:59 AM (#1631366) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: *daylia* Nina, relax. You're right, "they" couldn't care less about offending you or anyone else, but think about it ... can anyone really "take God out of everything"?? It is interesting though, how ridiculing and condemning religious/spiritual beliefs and those who practice them has become such an accepted, popular, politically correct sport. And at the same time, anyone who dares to belittle or even question atheism or atheists better look out ... it's Lock'n Load. |
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20 Dec 05 - 10:59 AM (#1631368) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Mo the caller Happy Christmas from an atheist |
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20 Dec 05 - 11:04 AM (#1631379) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Big Al Whittle Christians awake! salute the happy morn.....! the rest of you can have a kip |
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20 Dec 05 - 11:06 AM (#1631380) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,Nina Well, I just want to tell all to have a Merry Christmas, Holiday, Kwanza, etc. Whatever it is you do or do not beleive in, just beleive. I am not trying to change anyone, just don't try to change me & my land. Mo the caller, Happy Christmas to you. I pray we all can get along and hold on to our beleifs. God Bless You all!! |
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20 Dec 05 - 11:07 AM (#1631382) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: *daylia* PS - And here's hoping everyone here enjoys a wonderfully happy and peaceful holiday season too. From, uh, a fellow human being. |
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20 Dec 05 - 11:11 AM (#1631390) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Paul Burke It was the kids that used to awake and salute the morn, I'd usually been helping Santa to see off the mince pies and brandy. One memorable Christmas morn, 3 yr old Alison got up at the crack of doom, and opened all the presents- ALL the presents, hers, Tom's, ours, the ones meant for other people. Had a wonderful time. We sent a lot of thankyous saying "Dear ..., Thank you for the lovely gift." Happy celebration, Guest Nina, and don't forget that christians came on the scene over 5000 years after people had started celebrating the middle of winter. Not to mention the rebirth of spring. Funny that the religious lot never got a handle on midsummer, though... |
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20 Dec 05 - 11:20 AM (#1631406) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Peace Bah, HUMBUG! |
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20 Dec 05 - 11:32 AM (#1631419) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: *daylia* Well, as far as I know, those who celebrate(d) the solstice were/are a "religious lot" too, Paul. Of a non-Christian stripe. Litha (or Midsummer, June 24) became the Feast of St John the Baptist after Europe was Christianized - an important holiday especially in French-speaking countries. Just as Aug 2nd, ie Lammas (or "Loaf-Mass", the first harvest) became the day when the Eucharist loaves for the year were baked (ie from the first wheat harvested), and blessed by the Christian priests. |
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20 Dec 05 - 01:35 PM (#1631528) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: leftydee That's what I like, Nina ; a good agressive "up yours " to celebrate the birth of your saviour. Try emulating the man of peace, why don't ya? All you zealots, christians, jews, muslims, etc. ruin the world. Here's an idea from a reformed christian: take a little time to feel some love for those that believe differently than you. It's a huge brotherhood of man out there. Celebrate our differences, I promise you'll feel better. |
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20 Dec 05 - 01:42 PM (#1631536) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: suzi What leftydee said... |
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20 Dec 05 - 01:45 PM (#1631539) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: gnu Merry Christmas, from the valley of the, HO HO HO, Green Giant. Sorry... couldn't resist. Hope I didn't offend anyone, Vegans excluded. |
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20 Dec 05 - 02:42 PM (#1631582) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST whatever makes you feel better. Don't hate her for her beleifs. |
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20 Dec 05 - 03:14 PM (#1631607) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Cluin Turnabout's fair play, they say. More's the pity. It's amazing the number of people out there all too ready to take offence at someone wishing them well at this time of year, whatever the religious or secular motivation. I love this season and wish everyone the Christmas they wish themselves. |
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20 Dec 05 - 03:41 PM (#1631612) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: RobbieWilson As may be, Cluin, but the thread startrd off as a rant against other people who don't believe in the christian christmas fairy story. And to guestA in America the Christian religion is the foremost of the foreign religions imported from Europe to your shores. Before that it was imported to our shores here in Britain and to make it palatable to the natives they let them hold on to their old holidays bit gave them new names and pretended that they were really events im the christian story. The sensible people just get on and enjoy a party at the darkest time of the year while the Zealots go on saying it's a reflection of the one truth they are spouting. |
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20 Dec 05 - 03:53 PM (#1631620) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: MMario Robbie - The Christ Mass predates Christianity in Britain. |
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20 Dec 05 - 04:07 PM (#1631631) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: number 6 sounds good to me. Merry Christmas to everyone! sIx |
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20 Dec 05 - 04:13 PM (#1631636) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: TheBigPinkLad "Allelujah! Noel! Be it Heaven or Hell The Christmas you get you deserve." |
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20 Dec 05 - 04:59 PM (#1631647) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Donuel been there done this |
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20 Dec 05 - 05:01 PM (#1631648) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Donuel Mer Ree Chris Mass |
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20 Dec 05 - 05:15 PM (#1631655) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST LOL |
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20 Dec 05 - 06:05 PM (#1631668) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: skarpi " GLEÐILEG JÓL " all the best Skarpi Iceland |
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20 Dec 05 - 06:07 PM (#1631670) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Col K Seasons greetings to you all, and lets all hope for peace on earth. Col |
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20 Dec 05 - 06:44 PM (#1631693) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Big Mick I don't much care for Nina's style, but there is some validity in her point. In any number of threads I have seen my atheist/agnostic friends ridicule those of us who have some sort of theistic view on the world. It does seem that it is OK for folks to ridicule and attack Christians while the reverse is not allowed and is attacked. A large percentage of this, IMO, is due to fundamentalist Christians and their need to witness and proselytize. It is also due to the fact that Christianity was the religion of the Europeans who colonized the US, Africa, and much of the Middle East. As the world has moved past this age, the resentment of imposed religion has surfaced. Whatever the cause, let this Celtic Catholic Christian (whatever that means ...... actually I have a pretty good idea what it means but that is another thread) wish you all the blessings of this world. When I say that, I mean no offense to anyone, rather that I would like you to know that I beleive this is a season of joy at the birth of my saviour, and I wish you all the blessings that brings to me. I celebrate my holiday, and yours. It is a season, despite the commercial crap, in which we all look forward to the lengthening days, to the warming of the Earth Mother, to the beauty that will be ours to behold again. I believe this is the gift from God. Whatever you believe to be true, I celebrate this rebirth with you. Peace, Mick |
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20 Dec 05 - 07:33 PM (#1631718) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: gnu Aye, Mick... and with you. |
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20 Dec 05 - 07:55 PM (#1631726) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Amos Seconded Mick, and the yowlingest of Yuletides to you and yours! :D Love ya, A |
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20 Dec 05 - 08:17 PM (#1631737) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Jerry Rasmussen And a Merry Christmas to those who can accept the wish as given in good will and non-judgment. It is an expression of what I believe, and offered in love. If you believe something else, or find the whole issue of faith offensive, then of all people you can understand how your attacks on Christians without any regard to the sincerity of individuals is offensive as well. Howzabout just wishing each other well with the hope that we can find more understanding and common ground in the New Year? I hope that as we look forward to a brand-new, not-yet-totally-scewed-up Year that we can all do our best not to mess this one up as badly as we have in 2005. And yes, we all have messed it up in our own way. Me included... Jerry |
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20 Dec 05 - 08:23 PM (#1631743) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: leftydee Well said, Mick! Merry Christmas to you...... and to all you other 'Catters too. The Lefty household is sure to celebrate another year with hopes for peace and love. I'll raise my glass to you all! Bob |
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20 Dec 05 - 08:50 PM (#1631761) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: CarolC Actually, there would be a holiday. But without the "Christ" part, it would probably still be known by it's Pagan name, "Yule" (and Solstice, etc). Happy whatever you want. |
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20 Dec 05 - 09:26 PM (#1631801) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Amos Average temperatures in our home town from January through Decembr ad annual average: 2001 54.73 54.84 58.87 58.53 63.63 67.57 68.98 69.58 68.23 66.32 61.35 55.45 62.34 2002 55.65 57.48 57.65 59.52 61.82 64.68 67.82 68.82 70.03 64.21 63.42 56.76 62.32 2003 61.66 59.02 60.26 59.87 62.37 64.18 70.00 72.69 69.85 67.71 60.78 56.92 63.78 2004 56.82 56.67 62.61 64.37 68.47 67.82 72.03 70.79 72.63 65.34 60.07 57.74 64.61 2005 58.79 59.82 60.97 61.80 65.44 66.38 69.92 71.02 68.50 65.85 62.82 57.70 p 64.66 Merry Christmas; "they also serve who only stand and freeze". (Archibald MacLeish) A |
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21 Dec 05 - 03:52 AM (#1631967) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST The impersonal pronoun "it", when in the possessive, does not take an apostrophe. Meery Christmas |
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21 Dec 05 - 04:11 AM (#1631977) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Zany Mouse I just wanted to point out that it seems a tad odd that Nina posted her very Christian message on the first day of YULE, rather than the 25th. Have a wonderful over-commercialised Christian concept of a Pagan festival, everyone. Rhiannon |
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21 Dec 05 - 07:54 AM (#1632038) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: *daylia* Have a wonderful over-commercialised Christian concept of a Pagan festival, everyone. Why don't I let this idea ruin my holidays anymore? 1. No one owns the seasons, or the reasons to celebrate. No one ever did. I'm free to celebrate whenever, however and Whomever I like. The Oak King/Holly King thing is just fine by me. So is Jesus. I love 'em all! 2. No one dictates how I decide to honour the season (or not). In the past when the commercialism really got to me I'd leave the TV off, stay away from the malls, and make my own gifts. This year, I'm finding that it doesn't bother me one way or the other. OThers seem to enjoy it -- so live and let live. I do as I please anyway, why get all negative? 3. Any excuse for a holiday, for a party, for getting together with significant others and exchanging gifts and good cheer, for helping those less fortunate is just fine by me too! |
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21 Dec 05 - 08:15 AM (#1632050) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Big Mick Zany Mouse/Rhiannon, I would just like to point out that your smug remark is not correct. The commercialization is not Christian. That is just society. I find very little Christian about the madness. Mick |
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21 Dec 05 - 01:16 PM (#1632276) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Zany Mouse Hey - back off you guys. It was meant purely as a light hearted comment. I didn't intend it to relate to Christianity or indeed ANY religion. Sorry if I offended you - perhaps my sense of humour is a tad off-beat for you. Rhiannon |
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22 Dec 05 - 12:10 AM (#1632645) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Seamus Kennedy Merry Christmas, Mick, and everyone else. Seamus |
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22 Dec 05 - 02:30 AM (#1632679) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: dianavan Merry Christmas from the land of the North Pole. Goodwill to all. Gather 'round the hearth with your families and give thanks. Peace on earth. |
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22 Dec 05 - 03:30 AM (#1632695) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: KT Merry Christmas, everyone. For those who do not celebrate Christmas, receive the good wishes that come with those words, but don't interpret them as anything but good wishes for you, for that is indeed what they are. And for those of you who celebrate other holidays/holy days, I hope on those days you will extend good wishes/blessings to me in the same spirit. Even if I do not happen to celebrate your holy days, I know that for you they represent something deeply meaningful, and I honor and respect that. If I choose to educate myself about your holy days, I know that I will be richer for it. If we can be happy for others in their time of rejoicing, think of how many more opportunities we will have for happiness. The sooner we can begin to accept diversity, and honor it, the better off we'll all be. Warmest wishes for all that is good in this season, KT |
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22 Dec 05 - 06:19 AM (#1632763) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Teribus To GUEST,Nina - And to all on Mudcat especially Max - A very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. |
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22 Dec 05 - 06:54 PM (#1633347) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Alaska Mike Happy Solstice to All... Today the amount of daylight in Anchorage increased by 7 seconds over yesterday. It will just continue to get better and better until June 21st and by then it will be summer and there will be fish to catch and festivals to sing at. So, Happy Solstice to All. Mike |
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23 Dec 05 - 04:24 PM (#1634074) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Irish sergeant Merry Christmas. |
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24 Dec 05 - 11:55 AM (#1634552) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Midchuck Jackson Browne said all that needs to be said, IMO. The Rebel Jesus Peter. |
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24 Dec 05 - 04:38 PM (#1634733) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Helen Merry Christmas, where it is 8.30 am Christmas morning here in east coast Oz. I wish you all peace and love, light and laughter, music and celebrations, because that is what you have all given me, here at Mudcat over the last 9 years, each in your own way. Helen P.S. It is hot & sunny today, but not sweltering like yesterday, so weather-wise, all bodes well for Christmas Day. |
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24 Dec 05 - 05:02 PM (#1634747) Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Joybell It's cool down here in the South-East too Helen. The bushfire North of us looks like it might be under control and the wind's swung around to the West. Still no rain and the whole area is tinder dry. BUT - our baby Magpie is busy stuffing everything she can find into my shoes. Shiny tinsel, little flowers, a small Teddy bear, a ring off a cd spindle. It's Christmas morning here too. Merry Christmas! Cheers, Joy |