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26 Dec 05 - 11:31 AM (#1634917) Subject: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Jerry Rasmussen Real nice to see The Cat came back. Hopefully the rest of the threads can be revived. If not, this will REALLY be a Bew Year. Just thankful that it's up and running... I missed everyone.. Jerry |
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26 Dec 05 - 11:32 AM (#1634918) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Jerry Rasmussen A Bew year? Hopefully, my typing will improve in the New Year |
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26 Dec 05 - 11:36 AM (#1634920) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Stilly River Sage Refresh back for seven days and all will be revealed. SRS |
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26 Dec 05 - 11:38 AM (#1634922) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST Where have all the messages gone? Long time passing Where have all the messages gone? Long time ago Where have all the messages gone? someone has picked them every one When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn? |
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26 Dec 05 - 11:40 AM (#1634924) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Donuel The quantified limit of "hit words" on the NSA Echelon internet scanner; such as Al Quada, Quakers, Peace and harsh assesments of the Bush administration has been reached, qualifying this site as subversive. -or not- Remember the NSA can send commands as well as receive. |
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26 Dec 05 - 11:42 AM (#1634930) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Jerry Rasmussen Thanks Guest... don't know why I didn't think of that.. Jerry |
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26 Dec 05 - 11:46 AM (#1634932) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Bee-dubya-ell Refresh back for seven days and all will be revealed. What? You mean that's all it takes for all to be revealed? Refreshing back seven days? You know that information could lead to the downfall of religion as we know it, don't you? |
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26 Dec 05 - 11:48 AM (#1634934) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Stilly River Sage I wish! |
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26 Dec 05 - 11:48 AM (#1634935) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: David C. Carter I tried to log in to Mudcat at around 2.30pm French time.Couldn't even get the Page up on screen.Is there "something" I don't know about!I've had a good few sherberts over the last two days,so maybe I'm a little hung over,or.......Anyway,Happy everything to everybody. Cheers David. |
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26 Dec 05 - 11:57 AM (#1634944) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST What guest and Jerry said.......Missed you all Wonderful to be back..... suzi |
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26 Dec 05 - 12:27 PM (#1634958) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Once Famous SRS, are you a Godless atheist? Just asking. |
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26 Dec 05 - 12:33 PM (#1634961) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Amos "Religion as we know it" has little to do with Godfullness, old Grinch! :D A |
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26 Dec 05 - 12:41 PM (#1634967) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Stilly River Sage Just so I'm not whatever you are, MG! |
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26 Dec 05 - 12:46 PM (#1634970) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST,Mr Masculinity That is a redundant question, Gibson. You might as well ask, "Are you a Catholic Pope?" |
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26 Dec 05 - 12:58 PM (#1634981) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: RobbieWilson MG, Is there another kind of Atheist then? |
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26 Dec 05 - 01:05 PM (#1634989) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Charley Noble Life goes on! Charley Noble |
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26 Dec 05 - 01:05 PM (#1634992) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST,Kent Ovation Never underestimate the effect of the godly atheist on society! (grin) They're worse than the godless ones. |
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26 Dec 05 - 01:16 PM (#1635010) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Uncle_DaveO In case anyone is honestly confused, the display of messages you get by default is all those messages posted or refreshed in the last 24 hours. You can set the span of time at 1, 3, 7 days, or various MUCH longer periods. Now, it seems clear to me that Max has been away for the holidays, and the dread virus (whatever its name is) that's been making problems for Mudcat attacked, and Max wasn't there to save Mudcat's bacon. So Mudcat was off line for what, maybe three days? And all of the existing messages, not getting refreshed with new blood, so to speak, got old enough to not show up in the default 24 hour display. Dave Oesterreich |
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26 Dec 05 - 01:47 PM (#1635029) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: MBSLynne Am I suffering from deja vu, or has all this happened before? Love Lynne |
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26 Dec 05 - 02:27 PM (#1635049) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Mo the caller "Out again and round again" as a recidivist barrow boy in my husbands home town used to shout. |
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26 Dec 05 - 02:48 PM (#1635060) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: open mike good riddance to some of them.. it is good to be back.. |
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26 Dec 05 - 02:55 PM (#1635068) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: jacqui.c I'll second that open mike. |
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26 Dec 05 - 03:34 PM (#1635087) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Peace Are there any agnostic atheists out there? |
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26 Dec 05 - 05:35 PM (#1635129) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad You mean someone who don't know what type of God they don't believe in ? |
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26 Dec 05 - 05:54 PM (#1635135) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: bobad Thank god I'm an atheist. |
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26 Dec 05 - 06:00 PM (#1635136) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST,Nefty Thank science and empirical reasoning! Without them, I'd never have turned to God. |
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26 Dec 05 - 06:02 PM (#1635138) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Bill D those atheists are finally getting some respect and tolerance! |
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26 Dec 05 - 07:26 PM (#1635162) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: bobad More atheist humour |
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26 Dec 05 - 09:42 PM (#1635193) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Once Famous Well, SRS, I'm quite glad that you are not what I am either which is a Jew. something I am sure you have much disdain for. I would think, that you also have some kind of self-esteem problem, or quite possibly a hate of God and religions due to your on-going health issues. However, you did not answer the question I asked which shows just how shallow you are. I should have re-phrased my question SRS if you a Godless soul, which you obviously are. As I have said before, when you are on your deathbed in pain, it's funny how many all of a sudden find religion. |
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26 Dec 05 - 09:49 PM (#1635198) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: The Fooles Troupe Many people have a bet each way - just like you, Toy King. |
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26 Dec 05 - 10:03 PM (#1635204) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Once Famous Actually Louis Marx of the Marx Toy Co. of New York was known as the Toy King. You can look it up. Now, what else do you want me to teach you, pal? |
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26 Dec 05 - 10:15 PM (#1635212) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST God is dead Martin you can look it up . Long live the Toy King. |
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26 Dec 05 - 10:22 PM (#1635216) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST,Ken With all this talk about God and atheism, I am reminded of the Adamsian axiom of dieties, "I refuse to prove that I exist, for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." |
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26 Dec 05 - 10:37 PM (#1635221) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: bobad Faith is believing in something when common sense tells you not to. |
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26 Dec 05 - 10:49 PM (#1635222) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST,flagon To the contrary, proof simply renders faith rock solid...transforming it into certain knowledge. Faith is a strong supposition. Proof provides confirmation of that supposition. In tbe absence of definitive proof, faith is still a perfectly reasonable basis on which to stand...and will in itself spur the further search for proof to back up that faith. Without faith in something, in anything, a person is lost. You need faith in order to provide motivation. This can have to do with religion...or not. It can also have to do with anything else in life. Proof does not deny faith, it exonerates it. A few visionary men had faith that a heavier than air machine could be constructed and made to fly under its own power. That faith spurred them on to attempt it. Eventually they succeeded. Their faith had secured indeniable proof, and was thereby strengthened, and upon that strengthened faith they achieved extraordinary accomplishments in aviation in the next few decades of powered flight. It is people of great faith who lead society forward in science, art, industry, religion, and every other thing worth doing. |
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27 Dec 05 - 01:07 AM (#1635264) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Peace From G. K. Chesterton (Essential Writings, Why I'm Not a Pagan; Orbis Books pgs. 116-117): "...the Christian virtues of Faith, Hope and Charity are in their essence as unreasonable as they can be. As the word 'unreasonable' is open to misunderstanding, the matter may be more accurately put by saying that each one of these Christian or mystical virtues involves a paradox in its own nature... Charity means pardoning what is unpardonable, or it is no virtue at all. Hope means hoping when things are hopeless, or it is no virtue at all. And Faith means believing the incredible, or it is no virtue at all... Charity is a fashionable virtue in our time... Hope is a fashionable virtue today... But Faith is unfashionable, and it is customary on every side to cast against it the fact that it is a - paradox... Yet it is not one atom more paradoxical than Hope or Charity. Charity is the power of defending that which we know to be indefensible. Hope is the power of being cheerful in circumstances which we know to be desperate... The virtue of Hope exists only in earthquake and eclipse... Charity to the Deserving is not Charity at all, but Justice. It is the Undeserving who require it, and the ideal either does not exist at all, or exists wholly for them. For practical purposes it is at the hopeless moment that we require the hopeful man, and the virtue either does not exist at all, or begins to exist at that moment. Exactly at the instant when Hope ceases to be reasonable, it begins to be useful..." |
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27 Dec 05 - 01:12 AM (#1635265) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST,No ivisible means of support ditto |
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27 Dec 05 - 01:37 AM (#1635266) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Peace One of the realities in my life is that I realize most people don't care what I believe, neither the substance nor the intensity of the belief. That's fine with me. I have never been able to get into an organized religion (for any length of time) because after a while I perceive hypocrisy in both the congregation(s) and in myself. So I leave. That said, I also see that beliefs of certain types make people happy within themselves, and if their church going helps them achieve that happiness, then I don't feel it incumbent on me to add much in the way of admonishment. It's their belief, not mine. |
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27 Dec 05 - 06:58 AM (#1635315) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Mo the caller Well, I dont care what anyone beleives, except that religion seems to have taken over this thread. But I can't understand all this tolerance.If A's religion is true, then B's must be false. And if you turn to God on your death bed and then it turns out you chose the wrong one... what then? |
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27 Dec 05 - 07:23 AM (#1635327) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST Means you should have done some prior planning. |
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27 Dec 05 - 08:17 AM (#1635342) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Azizi So, to return to the point of this thread-where have all the messages gone? And why did they leave us? And can they come back again? And will we still be the same if & when they do? Oh, no! I've returned us to ontological questions when all I wanted to do was ask one simple question! |
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27 Dec 05 - 08:20 AM (#1635344) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: bobad That question has already been answered if you take the trouble to read the posts in this thread. |
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27 Dec 05 - 08:24 AM (#1635345) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: jacqui.c I think I know what SRS means. Right now, in various countries in the world religion is the big stick. Fundamentalists of all colours are saying 'our way is right and all the rest of you must abide by our rules'. It creeps me out to have heard a religious leader down south saying, after the Shrub got in again, "We've put him back now he must do what we want". I have my own belief which is not tied to any religion that I am aware of. I have come to that belief over years of questioning and learning. I do not want to be told by anyone else how and who to worship, or to have to abide by another's set of religious rules. Unfortunately there are too many zealots of all religions who want to impose their own rules on the rest of society. A bit more faith in tolerance would do this world a lot of good IMHO. |
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27 Dec 05 - 09:23 AM (#1635370) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Azizi A bit more humor {or humour as you like it} would be good too. |
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27 Dec 05 - 10:49 AM (#1635425) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Jerry Rasmussen Woodncha know it. I start a simple thread with the question answered almost immediately and it evolves into another thread about religion. Here I am, a Gospel Messenger and all, and I've stayed out of the discussion. As words are often thrown around in here quite casually and are sometimes at the root of poor communication, I'd just like to give a dicitonary definition of the word "religion." Most people use the word religion meaning "organized" religion. I've never heard anyone have a problem with disorganized religion. It's when it gets organized that people have a problem with it. The problem with "organized" religion is that it's organized by human beings, and can easily succumb to all the human qualities we try to rise above, like jealously, judgment, desire for power, and the exclusion of those who believe differently. Organized religion is only as good as those who do the organizing. That said, religion is "The belief in a supernatural power which governs the universe; a recognition of God as an object of worship." In the true definition of the word, you can be "religious" and never go to church or subscribe to any particular flavor of religion. For those who believe in God, or Jesus, or folk music or rap or Nascar racing, getting together with people of like interests is natural. In a way, Mudcat is organized folk music. We are all drawn to others who share a common interest or way of thinking. When that becomes too institutionalized it can take on all the characteristics of government, politics, "big" business, and professional sports. Maybe what we should all rail against is getting organized. It always lead to missuse... even charities suffer from corruption and missuse of funds. Perhaps it's time that we all get disorganized. If that's the case, I want to be President of the Disorganization. But there's the rub. There's always a natural attempt to organize disorganization. Organized disorganization is like unGodly Atheists, I guess. Citizens Of The World, Get Disorganized! Jerry |
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27 Dec 05 - 11:15 AM (#1635444) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: beardedbruce "I've never heard anyone have a problem with disorganized religion." Truer words have never been said. Religion is the relationship between Man and God- whenever it devolves to between Man and Man, then we have problems. |
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27 Dec 05 - 11:19 AM (#1635445) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: jacqui.c Nice one Jerry You hit the nail on the head. I think that a lot of people have a need to belong and gravitate toward a group who will give them a framework of rules to live by, and there are always people who are only too ready to do the organising. I remember one time watching a totally disparate group of people involved in one of the more minor religions and thinking that these were just individauls who wanted to be part of a larger group. That lead me on to thinking about what, for want of a better word, is called the herd instinct and how much that instinct can affect our lives. Now, although I do belong to a group, it does not ask me to abide by any real set rules or castigate me for things done or not done. It's called the Mudcat and is really the only group that I have any real interest in belonging to, outside of friends and family. |
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27 Dec 05 - 11:35 AM (#1635447) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Jerry Rasmussen That's what I've always loved about the folk community, jacqui. It is pretty welcoming. Now, if you are a Republican, or a Christian, you might feel differently but Mudcat is no different than anyplace else. It's as much what you bring to the group as it is to what the group gives you. I come here as a seriosly commited Christian who loves Jesus Christ, and feel welcome and not rejected because of my beliefs. Maybe that's because I welcome everyone into my home and my life, no matter what their beliefs. I believe that we are rejected in the same proportion as we reject others. Jerry |
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27 Dec 05 - 12:03 PM (#1635459) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Mo the caller I like that Jerry. And as an atheist who often calls for church events (harvest ho-downs etc) I like the community feeling you get there too; everyone looks after the younger dancers, so all can join in |
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27 Dec 05 - 12:18 PM (#1635463) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: jacqui.c Nice one Jerry You hit the nail on the head. I think that a lot of people have a need to belong and gravitate toward a group who will give them a framework of rules to live by, and there are always people who are only too ready to do the organising. I remember one time watching a totally disparate group of people involved in one of the more minor religions and thinking that these were just individauls who wanted to be part of a larger group. That lead me on to thinking about what, for want of a better word, is called the herd instinct and how much that instinct can affect our lives. Now, although I do belong to a group, it does not ask me to abide by any real set rules or castigate me for things done or not done. It's called the Mudcat and is really the only group that I have any real interest in belonging to, outside of friends and family. |
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27 Dec 05 - 12:18 PM (#1635464) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Jerry Rasmussen That's good to hear, Mo. If we believe we are to love each other, there should be no restriction based on what others believe. And you find good people everywhere.. good Republicans (gasp!) good Muslims, good Jews, good Christians, good Atheists, even good Yankees fans.. Jerry |
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27 Dec 05 - 02:24 PM (#1635511) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: GUEST,Flaherty "If A's religion is true, then B's must be false." Ha. Only if one has such a primitive understanding OF religion in the first place that it could be compared to that of a caveman or a very young and frightened child. Anyone who has a deeper understanding of spirituality finds value and meaning in all religions...and the same simple truths at the heart of all their teachings. The Bahais are wise enough to recognize that. So are many others. Intolerant fundamentalists who hate all other religions than their own garner the headlines for one simple reason...bad news is always distributed widely. It sells more copy than good news. It is a common error of the person who hates religion on principle to assume that everyone who is religious must also be as intolerant and narrow-minded as he himself is...and must in addition be a simple-minded idiot. Not necessarily so. The intolerant atheist and the intolerant fundamentalist are two shoes made out of the same leather. They walk the same path of mutual chauvinism. They just happen to go on a different foot, that's all. You will find the same nasty head crowning the body...imagining that its chosen way is the only right way possible. |
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27 Dec 05 - 02:33 PM (#1635515) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Jerry Rasmussen Strong stuff, Flaherty: Plenny a wisdom in there, too. Jerry Oh yeah... the messages are o.k. now, in case anyone wonders.. Hmmn... do you think Shambles would mind if a Joe Clone changed the title of this thread? |
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27 Dec 05 - 04:39 PM (#1635585) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Mo the caller But there are two sides to tolerance. There is Jerry's tolerance of people,whoever they are and whatever they believe in. Then there is the wishy-washy "I don't mind what you believe in as long as you have faith" rubbish. My atheism comes with evangelical Christian roots so I do not think that believing that your views are right and contradictictory views are wrong is nasty "and the same simple truths at the heart of all their teachings." no, "No man cometh to the Father but by me" is either true or false (or meaningless) And I can understand that if you believe that nonchristians are bound for hell,you will try to convert them. We don't have to listen,of course and are unlikely to be convinced. Don't change the thread title Joe, how would we find it ? |
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27 Dec 05 - 04:40 PM (#1635589) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Peace Regarding the thread title: What messages are missing? That is, how would I go look for one and not find it because it's missing? |
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27 Dec 05 - 05:09 PM (#1635603) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Little Hawk Mo - Okay. Here are my thoughts on that. No, it's more like "I don't mind what you believe, as long as it doesn't impell you to try to hurt or control me or someone else..." Believe as you will, and harm no one. That's a good credo. I don't believe non-Christians are bound for hell. I don't wish to convert anyone except myself, but I enjoy sharing ideas and talking about spiritual matters. The statement "No man cometh to the Father but by me" means this (in my opinion): The indwelling Spirit of God in every living being can be termed "the Son" (or "the Daughter") of God. It's like the Divine Spark of higher consciousness. No one can come to the Father (the entire Divine) except through that Son (which already exists implicitly in everyone). When a prophet speaks, using his human voice (which he must), and that voice says ""No man cometh to the Father but by me " it is that same spark of Divinity in the prophet that sleeps latent in YOU which IS speaking, and it's telling the truth. You cannot come to the whole Divine except by the individualized Divine that lives within you (the Christ within). It's the same in everyone, but it can only speak through a man's vocal chords and say "No man cometh to the Father but by me". You don't need the specific man Jesus...or the man Mohammed...or the man Buddha...to do that...although they could probably help you, having realized it themselves. You need to contact what sleeps within you and awaken it. How is that done? By surrender, complete love, complete forgiveness, complete lack of egocentricity. The statement was true. People's interpretation of it (that you can only reach God through the specific man/God Jesus and through no one else) was a completely faulty understanding of what the statement meant....or even of who was speaking. Something eternal was speaking...and it has spoken through many prophets and teachers, and will continue to do so. The Christian religion, which was busy building an exclusive power structure in this World, would not want you to know that, would they? They need your exclusive adherence to them only, your denial of all other spiritual paths, and your denial of the Christ within anyone BUT Jesus. The Christ lives within all, and is not exclusively tied to Jesus. He had simply fully opened to the Christ himself, thus became it. (as can others) He could then speak with authority and do great works. Jesus did not build those historical churches and their power structure, and I believe he would disown or at least severely rebuke them if he were here. They turned him into an idol for their own purposes, and turned his teachings into a means of enslaving people. They betrayed everything he stood for. |
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27 Dec 05 - 05:10 PM (#1635604) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Jerry Rasmussen Actually, I don't want the title changed. Inadvertently, it's turned out to be quite existential. What are the messages? where have they gone, and how can we face tomorrow or make sense of today if the messages are gone? If anyone dares change this title, I'm telling Shambles. Jerry |
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27 Dec 05 - 05:14 PM (#1635609) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Little Hawk No! Don't tell Shambles!!!! (for pity's sake...) ;-) |
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27 Dec 05 - 05:17 PM (#1635611) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: jacqui.c LOL Jerry. LH - that is a truth that I discovered in the past couple of years. I'm still struggling toward the ideals that you espouse and which I do believe should be the credo by which we live our lives. |
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27 Dec 05 - 05:20 PM (#1635613) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Jerry Rasmussen Hey, Little Hawk: As I know you know, Christianity isn't as monolitihic and simplistic as people make it out to be. I was close friends with a wonderful Lutheran minister who did not believe that the saying "No man comes to the Father except through me" meant that non-Christians could not be accepted into the Kingdom of God. We're getting into deep water here, and probably not a proper subject to discuss on the Cat. I have no desire to, at least. I just wanted to say that there are Christians who are "organized" that do not see salvation as exclusively Christian. If God is love, then I figure he's going to cut everybody a lot of slack. The other observation I wanted to pass along in response to your posting is that I have heard ministers say countless times, "Don't worship the church," or "Don't worship me." Worshipping "organized religion" is much like worshipping a false God. It's like unwrapping a package, admiring the wrapping paper and never opening the gift. Jerry |
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27 Dec 05 - 05:21 PM (#1635616) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Jerry Rasmussen In keeping with the thread on parodies, maybe we need one that says "My God's Better than Your God." My God is love... try and top that one... Jerry |
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27 Dec 05 - 05:25 PM (#1635618) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Mo the caller Little Hawk , I agree with your first 2 statements But whatever you think the gospel writer meant there are some who believe it more literally, and I can not tolerate those who call such believers intolerant. Me, I just enjoy a good arguement. "how can we face tomorrow or make sense of today if the messages are gone?" Some of us have to, Jerry. If I'm to make semse of tomorrow, I'm off to bed now night all Mo |
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27 Dec 05 - 05:28 PM (#1635619) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Jerry Rasmussen Yo, Mo! You are a tolerant man. The world is in desparate need of people like you. Get some sleep. We won't resolve these issues by tomorrow.. Jerry |
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27 Dec 05 - 05:28 PM (#1635620) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Peace I don't want the title chaned either, and I promise NOT to tell Shambles. But, I still don't know what messages are missing. |
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27 Dec 05 - 06:40 PM (#1635657) Subject: RE: BS: Where Have All The Messages Gone? From: Little Hawk Well said, Mo. I too appreciate your openmindedness. Jerry - Understood. You're quite right, we're getting into stuff that might be better discussed off the Net than on it. ;-) This place is like talking at the top of your lungs in the middle of some large local restaurant, with everyone listening in on the conversation. That could lead to problems and misunderstandings. Jacqui - Well, good for you. It ain't easy, that's for sure. |
