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28 Jan 06 - 11:17 AM (#1657084) Subject: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Flash Company The female of the UK's only known pair of breeding Eagle Owls has been found shot. It apparently died of starvation after being left injured. Yhe birds were the subject of a BBC Wildlife show a few weeks ago during which a guy from the RSPB said 'They are not UK native and therefore not protected'. In other words 'Shoot them if you want to!'. Glad I'm not a member of the RSPB any more! FC |
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28 Jan 06 - 11:44 AM (#1657094) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: John MacKenzie Most of the birds of prey that die in this country are poisoned by gamekeepers who do it illegally to protect their stock of gamebirds. This of course is so that some prick with a gun can come and shoot at these often hand reared game birds. The difference between me and those criminal gamekeepers is, they think the Hen Harrier, Red Kite and Golden Eagle are parasites. While I think the rich shooters, and the gamekeeper himself are the true parasites. The killing of birds of prey is fairly common up here in Scotland where many so called "Shooting Estates" have their miserable existence. Most of these estates are owned by holding companies many of them registered in places like Lichtenstein for tax purposes, and many more being owned by people who do not live in Scotland, but in France Germany Denmark and England. Have a look at this site look at Sutherland my county and see how many estate owners live on their estates. The only thing that makes me want to pick up a gun and shoot someone is this senseless killing of native wildlife for the benefit of foreign bastards. Giok |
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28 Jan 06 - 01:04 PM (#1657124) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Don(Wyziwyg)T I'm with you on that Giok. It's long past time for our elected representatives to ban these bloodthirsty bastards from shooting anything other than themselves. The latter, I'm sure, would lead to a considerable improvement in the gene pool quality of Homo (so called) Sapiens. Don T. |
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28 Jan 06 - 01:23 PM (#1657131) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: The Shambles Thanks to a EEC ruling Eagle Owls are now protected. If the chap referred to in the first was Roy Dennis - this is doing him a great injustice as his work was to try and ensure that they were admitted to the correct category of the British List and thus protected. I am also pretty sure that no one from the RSBP was encouraging anyone to go out and shoot Eagle Owls. The British Ornithologists Union (BOU) was the one who was trying to maintain that because there was no records in the last few hundred years that the Eagal Owl was not a British Bird. A rather dodgy criteria to use when breeding bird populations can rise and fall in just a few years. |
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28 Jan 06 - 01:36 PM (#1657133) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: gnu As I grow older and wiser, I tend to agree with anti-hunters, to an extent. As a matter of fact, this past hunting season, not only did I not take any game (even the Big Fellah that I had dead to rights for twenty seconds) but, I saved one deer from being shot by a hunting buddy who was drawing down on it... he would be pissed if he knew I fired each of three shots in order to scare the deer back into the woods. It was a medium sized buck. I decided he should live. And, I don't know why. It's not the way I was raised. Oh, I agree that raising any animal for "hunting" is just plain wrong. When it comes to domesticated animals, better to ensure a quick clean kill by, say, shoving an electrode up a chicken's ass than risk having it wounded by a poor shot. And, ya can't beat an electric or hydraulic powered bolt hammer placed just above and between the eyes for killing large animals. Of course, all slaughterhouses will still have to keep a high powered rifle on hand for those times when one of the large animals decides it doesn't want to be next. Gosh. I just don't know any more. I think my camera will get a lot more use in the future than my guns. But, I will never tell anyone else they can't hunt. |
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28 Jan 06 - 01:51 PM (#1657143) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: The Shambles This explains the RSPB's position. http://www.rspb.org.uk/policy/species/eagleowl/index.asp |
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28 Jan 06 - 01:53 PM (#1657149) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Sorcha Me with you all. I kill house flies and mosquitos...that is about it. Makes me something of a hypocrite, because I eat meat. Killing just for 'sport' is just evil. |
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28 Jan 06 - 02:01 PM (#1657156) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: John MacKenzie Although I don't do it myself, too squeamish, I'm not against hunting for the pot, it's a legitimate exercise feeding yourself and your family. I do strongly object to shooting for sport, it is usually indulged in by chinless wonders, and people who would never be superior to anybody or anything without a gun in their hand. We get them here every summer with their fat arses their plus fours, and their BMWs and Range Rovers. Many of them with refined Oxbridge accents and claiming to be Scottish. I think that it was the Duke of Wellington who said "Because a man is born in a stable it doeasn't make him a horse". Well the same is true of being born in Scotland, it doesn't make you a Scot if your schooling and your money earning is all done south of the border, and you sound like Brian Sewell. Giok |
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28 Jan 06 - 02:05 PM (#1657160) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Peace I will hunt for food, fish for food, snare for food or trap for food. I will not do any of those things for sport. I like to think humans are better than that. |
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28 Jan 06 - 02:22 PM (#1657172) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: gnu But... I don't need to take a partridge. I can stay home and buy a chicken at a lot less cost. Now... when I take a prtridge, I clean it and put all but the breast back in the woods... even though I could sell the feathers for about $100 or more. So... am I killing for sport? BTW, Birch Partridge (Ruffed Grouse) fried in butter is thousands better than chicken. I was raised by a man who hunted and fished for food when he was a lad. Part of our "tradition" is that we go to the woods, hunt, and feast. Is this "sport"? |
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28 Jan 06 - 02:42 PM (#1657186) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Rapparee Shoot an eagle -- any eagle -- in the US and you've broken Federal law (with very limited exception, such as for Indian ceremonies). Even to possess the feathers of a raptor is illegal, and this includes hawks, falcons, gyrfalcons, owls, condors, and others. We currently have a Shoshone war bonnet on display at the Library, courtesy of the Shoban Tribal Museum -- about six feet of eagle feathers. The museum and the tribe can possess this, but don't even think of it as a non-Indian! Big fines, and big jail time. As for hunting, I have hunted and I will hunt. I also differentiate between hunters and kill-crazy slobs. One follows a long, proud, ethical tradition, the other should not be allowed outside of the couch and the television. One might drink after the hunt, the other drinks before, during and after. One conserves, the other wastes. One can stalk an elk or deer for a couple hours, and when it is finally in the sights and a clean kill is certain pauses and says to her or his self, "I don't need the food right now" and quietly backs away; the other sits in a pickup and shoots at anything that moves. I like to consider myself and my family and friends in the first group. |
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28 Jan 06 - 04:11 PM (#1657246) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: The Shambles The RSPB's position on the Eagle Owl is not as helpful as it could be but this conservation body's position on the poor Ruddy Duck is really less than sensible. Sanctioning as it does - the destruction of tens of thousands of individual Ruddy Ducks. http://www.rspb.org.uk/policy/species/ruddyduck/rspb_position.asp I hardly think that many of those who support and fund the RSPB as a registered charity agree or even understand this position. The concern is that the specific nature of the native (to Europe) White-Headed Duck is threatened by breeding with the originally introduced Ruddy Duck from North America. The ducks themselves cannot tell the difference so why should so many indidual birds be killed in an attempt by humans to maintain the 'purity' of a species? Especially when the concept of a 'species' is a man-made one and one which the ducks themselves obvious dispute by their actions. It may be regretable that due to human iterferance the White-Headed Duck will become the Ruddy-White-Headed Duck but I do not feel this entitles us to interfere again and slaughter so many individual lives. |
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28 Jan 06 - 04:30 PM (#1657258) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Liz the Squeak Rapaire - you may have misuderstood. The Eagle Owl is an owl, not an eagle. It seems that it did live in the UK until it was eradicated in the 19th century and then re-introduced about 10 years ago. |
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28 Jan 06 - 04:31 PM (#1657259) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Liz the Squeak Bugger... meant to put this link in..... LTS |
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28 Jan 06 - 04:33 PM (#1657261) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Peace 'I was raised by a man who hunted and fished for food when he was a lad. Part of our "tradition" is that we go to the woods, hunt, and feast. Is this "sport"?' Not in my lexicon. |
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28 Jan 06 - 04:37 PM (#1657268) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: gnu I didn't think so. It's not an easy question. I guess it's up to me. And, in saying so, ergo... it's certainly not up to you. |
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28 Jan 06 - 04:47 PM (#1657272) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Peace I know that. What I said is that I too hunt for food, and in answer to your question, "Is this "sport"?'", I said that it is not sport in my lexicon. I am aware it's not up to me! Have a nice day. |
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28 Jan 06 - 04:47 PM (#1657273) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: gnu Peace. You said, "I will hunt for food, fish for food, snare for food or trap for food." Do you? |
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28 Jan 06 - 04:49 PM (#1657274) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Peace Larry, Curly and Moe--beautiful birds, IMO. |
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28 Jan 06 - 04:59 PM (#1657277) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: gnu heheheh... even when we agree, it can sometimes get misinterpelated. We cross posted... okay? Have a nice day to you too.... LOL You should get more sleep.... hehehehehe |
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29 Jan 06 - 10:33 AM (#1657357) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: fat B****rd As I mentioned in another thread my wife sponsors a Scopes Owlat a falconry centre . Would the c..t who shot the Eagle Owl last week like to go there and slaughter evreything in sight ?. Probably. I assume his mother loves him. |
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29 Jan 06 - 01:00 PM (#1657430) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Rapparee No, I didn't misunderstand LtS. You don't shoot ANYTHING living unless you're going to eat it or to save your life (a rare occurence if you're outdoor-wise). Owls are raptors, just like hawks and eagles -- and buzzards and vultures too, I believe. |
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29 Jan 06 - 01:59 PM (#1657453) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Malc R To kill for food is survival, to kill for sport is mindless slaughter by those who lack morals (IMO) However the b'stard that shot and wounded the Eagle Owl and left it to die a slow and lingering death by starvation is nothing more than a lowlife, and if caught should be prosecuted for causing unnecessary suffering, irrespective of whether the Eagle Owl is protected or not. |
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29 Jan 06 - 06:14 PM (#1657539) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Liz the Squeak Ah, OK, it just sounded like you did, and lots of people have made the same mistake..... fancy calling a bird after another bird... D'oh! LTS |
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30 Jan 06 - 02:03 PM (#1657941) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: GUEST THE SILENT EARTH IT ISN'T VERY PLEASANT AT THE PRESENT BEING A PHEASANT AND IT'S A SORRY TALE IF YOU'RE A QUAIL THERE'S MANY A SPENT CARTRIDGE HAS DONE FOR SOME POOR PARTRIDGE BY BLASTING ALL THE FEATHERS FROM ITS TAIL YOU'RE REALLY OUT OF LUCK IF YOU'RE A FLYING DUCK AND ANY BANG YOU HEAR WILL TURN YOU PALE FOR THEY JUST DON'T GIVE A SMIDGEON IF YOU'RE PIGEON OR YOU'RE WIDGEON THEY'LL BAG YOU FOR THE TABLE WITHOUT FAIL NOW THE FOX WAS ALL ELATION WHEN WE PASSED THE LEGISLATION TO CLOSE DOWN EVERY HUNT THROUGHOUT THE SHIRES AND FOR ONE PRECIOUS MINUTE IN THIS LAND, ALL CREATURES IN IT THOUGHT THERE ARE SOME HUMAN BEINGS THAT ONE ADMIRES BUT THE LOCAL LORD'S STILL FOR IT CHIEF CONSTABLES IGNORE IT AND POLITICIANS BOW DOWN TO THE SQUIRES BUT AS THEY SHRUG THEIR SHOULDERS THE LEGISLATION MOULDERS AND THE FOX SCREAMS "I PROTEST" AS HE EXPIRES THE WORLD MUST SEEM UNREAL IF YOU'RE A BABY SEAL CLUBBED TO KEEP A WEALTHY LADY WARM AND WHALES ARE IN THE LURCH FOR JAPANESE RESEARCH WILL SEE THEM IN THE SUSHI, THAT'S THE NORM THE TIGER IN BENGAL'S NO BLOODY CHANCE AT ALL AND THE RHINO'S IN THE COLD EYE OF THE STORM FOR THEY'LL ALL BE HUNTED DOWN BY BUSINESSMEN FROM TOWN WHO SPEND THEIR LOOT DESTRUCTION TO PERFORM IN CANADA THE BEAR IS GETTING RATHER RARE A MOOSE OUT ON THE LOOSE IS EASY PREY IF YOU'RE A MOUNTAIN GOAT YOU'LL SOON BECOME A COAT AND THERE'S SOME BOILING WATER FOR THE CRAY FISH HAD BETTER LOOK DAMNED HARD TO SEE THE HOOK AND THUS BECOME THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY AND THO DEER ARE DEADLY DULL STILL THEY FACE THE DEADLY CULL THERE'LL BE JUST HUMANS LEFT SOME SUNNY DAY NO GOOSE NO GREBE NO GANNETT LEFT ON THIS EMPTY PLANET JUST MEN WITH GUNS AND NOTHING LEFT TO KILL SO FATHER SON AND BROTHER WITH SLAUGHTER ONE ANOTHER TO RECREATE THAT SPECIAL HUNTING THRILL AND WHEN THE SEASON'S OVER FROM TIMBUCTOO TO DOVER THERE'LL BE NOTHING LEFT ALIVE NO CREATURE WILL… EVER WAKE TO SEE THE DAWN BRING ANOTHER BRIGHT NEW MORN TO A TURNING EARTH SO SILENT AND SO STILL JUST THE GRASS, THE TREES, THE RAIN THE SEA, THE HILL, THE PLAIN AND A TURNING EARTH SO SILENT AND SO STILL |
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30 Jan 06 - 02:32 PM (#1657974) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: gnu Malc R said, ".... left it to die a slow and lingering death by starvation..." and, "should be prosecuted for causing unnecessary suffering..." You don't garner any support by such statements. Yes... the SOB who did this should be abashed and educated or punished. But, when you take to making claims which cannot be proven in order to add further vilification, you detract from your arguement and lose all credibility. Step back and think about what you said for just a moment. I should think it plausible that the subject asshole was a poor shot. No? |
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30 Jan 06 - 05:40 PM (#1658103) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: Bizibod Guest , you're not Pam Ayres - are you? I could just hear her voice... |
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31 Jan 06 - 10:26 AM (#1658294) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: GUEST,Malc R @ Work Gnu From the opening post,"....It apparently died of starvation after being left injured". If that is not unnecessary suffering then what is? Yes the SOB was a bad shot, he was also inhumane, so I stand by my statement. By punishing him we may educate others. |
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31 Jan 06 - 10:47 AM (#1658305) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: gnu Malc R - "....It apparently died of starvation after being left injured." Apparently, you have chosen to interpret "left injured" as a willful act by the shooter. Unless there is proof that this is the case, your statement that "... he was also inhumane,..." is not supportable. Punishment without proof is illegal where I come from. You know... innocent until proven guilty? |
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03 Feb 06 - 07:44 AM (#1660933) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: GUEST,Malc R @ work Gnu - are you inferring that the injuries that caused it to starve were not as a result of the shooting? i.e. was "found shot" There is little point in shooting a bird that has already died of starvation! |
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03 Feb 06 - 10:07 AM (#1661022) Subject: RE: BS: UK Eagle Owl shot From: gnu Hehehe. You should be punished for trying to tease a poor dumb animal - me. Inferring...? No. BTW, I see no point in shooting a dead bird. And, I see no use in beating a dead horse. Sunset time. |
