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31 Jan 06 - 11:57 PM (#1658723) Subject: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Peace Where do you stand on this? I would love it if people would approach the question from many viewpoints: As left wingers, right wingers, chauvinists, pedants, Bushites, Kerryites, feminists, musicians and any other angle from which you wish to address this burning issue. Even a view from William Shatner would be appreciated. And Shane. |
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31 Jan 06 - 11:58 PM (#1658725) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Little Hawk Ummmm....... |
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31 Jan 06 - 11:59 PM (#1658726) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Peace OK, maybe not Shatner . . . . |
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01 Feb 06 - 12:09 AM (#1658730) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River Ha. You think I'm, like, scared, eh? I can handle it, man. Okay. Well, ya got the anti's who are against it, adn the pros who are for it. That's a start, eh? Okay. Now I figger that the flippin' esbtablishment is bascially in charge, eh? so that's where the flippin' taxes go. The flippers are rakin' it in, man. they are depravin' the little guys...like you and me. We gotta DIS establish the flipheads and take this flippin' country BACK! Now there are people who would, like, try to fool you and say, like, that the establishment is GOOD! They are total Boltholes! They are in the pockets of MR FLiPPIN' BIG in Ottawa, eh? Like...like Bolinda flippin' Stronack! She is out to rip the mungoberries off every workin' man in this land of ours. You heard it here, man. SHE is antidisbieibnsli;bhmenetarinism at its flippin' WORST! she is Hillery Clinton gone postal, eh? Okay? - Shane |
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01 Feb 06 - 02:44 AM (#1658770) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Joe Offer Once upon a time, I knew what Antidisestablishmentarianism meant, and I think I thought it was a really good idea, but I can't remember anymore... -Joe Thoughtless- |
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01 Feb 06 - 03:13 AM (#1658774) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Wilfried Schaum Oh my, and I thought that only the German language were able to construct such glossoruptarian monsters ... (note the subjunctive - regards to Joe T.) Hmmm, as young man I often was pro the anti, but I'm not so sure anymore. I'm a member of certain established groups I'd like to preserve - my fraternity, my fife and drum band, my fire department ... |
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01 Feb 06 - 03:52 AM (#1658787) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Paul Burke You can't have it in the US, as the disestablishment is written into the "Constitution". Though how much longer that will last, God, Mary and all the Saints perhaps know. It seems that the agenda in Kansas etc. is pushed largely by neoantidisestablishmentaryans. I once knew a counterantidisestablishmentarianistic person who lived in Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantisiliogogogoch (that's not far from Aber). Sorry Max, that's taken up all the new bandwidth... |
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01 Feb 06 - 04:09 AM (#1658800) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Georgiansilver Time to floccinaucinihilipilificate this thread |
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01 Feb 06 - 04:40 AM (#1658814) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Joe Offer I changed my mind. I'm against it. Disestablishment is the American thing to do, so I can't be Antidisestablishmentarian. I don't want a state church - although it would be interesting to see what kind of state religion California would pick... -Joe Offer- |
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01 Feb 06 - 05:08 AM (#1658826) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: John MacKenzie As far as I know it is the movement to divorce church from state. It is ridiculous to have the monarch as head of the Church of England, and for the constitution to forbid the heir to the throne to marry a Catholic when the population consists of so many different religions is lunacy. I blame Henry the Eighth myself. Giok |
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01 Feb 06 - 05:16 AM (#1658831) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: gnu I took the antidote, money, and I'm cured. |
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01 Feb 06 - 05:19 AM (#1658834) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Pied Piper I'm a prodisestablishmentarialist and the quicker the better. PP |
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01 Feb 06 - 06:06 AM (#1658858) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Teribus John 'Giok' MacKenzie - 01 Feb 06 - 05:08 AM "As far as I know it is the movement to divorce church from state." Absolutely correct! "It is ridiculous to have the monarch as head of the Church of England," Now while that may be true as viewed today, it was certainly necessary at the time the Church of England was created as in so doing England was spared the bloody sort of Reformations that occurred in Europe and in Scotland. "..and for the constitution to forbid the heir to the throne to marry a Catholic when the population consists of so many different religions is lunacy." Again, it appears nonsensical today, but, taking into account the political machinations of both France and Spain up until the time of the French Revolution, this constitutional 'safeguard' was viewed as being essential if England and latterly the United Kingdom was to remain free and independent. |
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01 Feb 06 - 06:34 AM (#1658863) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Paul Burke We had a bloody reformation here! Three times over, in fact, first Henry VIII, dozens burnt, both diehard Roman Catholics and over- enthusiastic (from Henry's point of view) Reformists. Then Mary tries to turn it back, they didn't call her Bloody Mary because of the tomato juice. Then Liz trumps her. Her burnings were relatively few, hanging, drawing and quartering (castration and gutting alive) rather commoner- though it has been pointed out that there were fewer executions for treason and heresy in her 40-odd years than in Henry's last 10 years. Add in the Pilgrimage of Grace, the revolt of the Northern Earls, and various minor disturbances, and it all amounts to as rough a ride as most places had. And of course some historians suggest that the slightly- less- than- peaceful English civil war was the final fighting out of the left-over issues from the Reformation. But even then, it wasn't fully resolved until 1688. The opportunity to create a tolerant state was available in 1600- the Dutch had already done it. The real problem was that the monarch wasn't made (fairly) irrelevant politically until the act of Settlement. |
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01 Feb 06 - 06:38 AM (#1658866) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: GUEST,Dazbo Surely if you're against disestablishmentarianism you must for establishmentarianism: the antidis must cancel itself out! |
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01 Feb 06 - 07:16 AM (#1658887) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: manitas_at_work "As far as I know it is the movement to divorce church from state." The opposite, surely? |
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01 Feb 06 - 07:46 AM (#1658903) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Teribus Paul, All things are relative to the period in which they occurred, compared to the Reformations in Europe and Scotland, England's population got off very lightly. Most of the troubles within England were caused by Spanish interference in which religion was used by the latter as a tool. The 'English' Civil War was more focused on the power struggle between the King and Parliament, the religious leanings of the King were a side issue, recognised as representing a potential threat. That was why the original safeguards were further reinforced when the direct line Stuart's were finally given the boot in the 'Glorious Revolution' of 1688 |
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01 Feb 06 - 08:03 AM (#1658929) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: GUEST I think we should hear the dyslexic viewpoint. |
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01 Feb 06 - 08:11 AM (#1658940) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Rapparee Revolution Now!! Burn everything!! Toss the Rascals Out!! Bring the War to The Streets!! Death to the Bloated Bosses!! Up the Republic!! No Surrender!! In Your Heart You Know He's Right!! Kill 'Em All and Let God Sort 'Em out!! No Taxation Without Representation!! When Adam Delved and Eve Span, Who Was Then the Gentleman??!! Smash the Looms!! Death To the Capitalist Exploiters of Labor!! Support the Albegensian Crusade!! Off With Their Heads!! Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!! etc..... |
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01 Feb 06 - 08:22 AM (#1658955) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Big Al Whittle I joined the cubs to get a woggle when I was eight. I've been a slave of materialism ever since. |
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01 Feb 06 - 08:45 AM (#1658968) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Bobert Yeah, why should Bush stop at King when he could be Pope George... (But why stop there, Bobert??...) Okay, make that God George... |
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01 Feb 06 - 08:49 AM (#1658973) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Amos Antidisestablishmentarianism is a political philosophy that is opposed to the separation of church and state. The term originated in the context of the nineteenth century Church of England, where "antidisestablishmentarians" were opposed to proposals to remove its status as the state church of England. Antidisestablishmentarianism succeeded in England, but failed in Ireland and Wales, with the Church of Ireland being disestablished in 1871 and the Church in Wales in 1920. It was not required in the United States as a movement or sentiment, as the nation was founded on the principle that no religion should be established by the State. The closest we have come to antidisestablishmentarianism in recent history is the right-wing Christian extremism supported by George Bush, and this sentiment would properly be labeled a form of covert and somewhat corrosive establishmentarianism. A |
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01 Feb 06 - 08:52 AM (#1658975) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: bobad Depends on the establishment. |
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01 Feb 06 - 08:53 AM (#1658977) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: wysiwyg Well, I think it's supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. ~S~ |
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01 Feb 06 - 08:59 AM (#1658981) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: manitas_at_work That sounds a bit precocious. |
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01 Feb 06 - 09:44 AM (#1659018) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Georgiansilver Its Stegasaurus, Tyrannosaurus and Dipladocus. Monstrous I say! |
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01 Feb 06 - 10:13 AM (#1659055) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Peace I knew this would happen. |
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01 Feb 06 - 10:40 AM (#1659088) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: bobad Pseudoproantidisestablishmentarianistically speaking I'm against it. |
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01 Feb 06 - 11:54 AM (#1659154) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Bill D I'd tell you what I think about it, but I believe in antihypersyllabicsesquipedalianism. |
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01 Feb 06 - 12:33 PM (#1659196) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Rapparee Believe it or not (I don't care one way or the other), I actually KNEW what antidisestablishmentarianism was about. And I for one fully support the religious concept that the Leader of the Nation -- King, President, Fuehrer, whatever -- is the conduit through which the blessings of the Almighty One(s) is channeled and that the Leader must be sacrificed when the displeasure of the Almighty One(s) is made manifest by drought or famine or other hard times. This part of the country has been in a drought for the last six years or so.... |
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01 Feb 06 - 01:16 PM (#1659246) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Bill D I live only 10 miles or so from him, Rapaire.....shall I go down and wrap him up and forward him to you for the sacrifice, or will it suffice to just do it on the South lawn here? And if so, is there a preferred method? Pummeled by dictionaries, maybe? |
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01 Feb 06 - 02:13 PM (#1659307) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: dick greenhaus Sort of like de development of anti-missile missiles to destroy missiles. Wheich then can be equipped with anti-anti-missle missile missiles. Which can be defeated by the use of anti-anti-anti-missile missile missiles. |
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01 Feb 06 - 02:42 PM (#1659343) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Peace "anti-anti-missle missile missiles" What about uncle-uncle-missile missile systems, huh? |
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01 Feb 06 - 02:51 PM (#1659352) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Little Hawk What is really needed is a bomb so big it can blow up the whole World. Then tell everyone you have it, and threaten to blow it up if they won't do everything exactly the way you like it. I can't figure why this hasn't been accomplished yet, given our present levels of scientific and moral sophistication... |
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01 Feb 06 - 03:02 PM (#1659363) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Charmion If I recall correctly, there are several traditional forms of sacrifice. My favourite is death by shredding with golden sickles to prepare the body for ploughing into the fields to guarantee a good harvest. You may also choose to go with hand-to-hand combat against a peerless warrior who then becomes, in his turn, King and Priest and Sacrifice ... Whaddaya think? |
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01 Feb 06 - 03:07 PM (#1659369) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: MaineDog I think that we all should take this thread as an occasion to remember what "an establishment of religion" really means. I does NOT mean that some people occasionally might want to pray in public. Encouragement of religion does not constitute establishment. MD |
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01 Feb 06 - 03:21 PM (#1659379) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Peace Disuagenistically speaking, I agree with all of the above posts. |
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01 Feb 06 - 03:34 PM (#1659389) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: gnu Jaysus!! Stop that! I gotta keep looking these big words up and it takes time out of my busy social calendar!!!! |
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01 Feb 06 - 03:39 PM (#1659395) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: gnu Hey!! Ain't no such thing in Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionarry like that there!!! Of course, it's cw1989. So... what is "disuagenistically" anyway? |
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01 Feb 06 - 03:49 PM (#1659403) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Peace I made it up. Have NO idea what it means. |
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01 Feb 06 - 04:18 PM (#1659430) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: gnu Hehehe!!!! I shoulda known. But, when ya don't know what ya don't know, it's pretty hard to know when ya don't know, ya know? |
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02 Feb 06 - 04:12 PM (#1660386) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Peace I know! |
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02 Feb 06 - 04:44 PM (#1660417) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Bill D I gnu all the while. |
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02 Feb 06 - 08:40 PM (#1660634) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Burke Bill D. I think the word you wanted is antisesquipedalianism. |
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02 Feb 06 - 08:41 PM (#1660637) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Peace "antisesquipedalianism" Isn't that what teenaged boys do in the bathroom? |
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02 Feb 06 - 09:02 PM (#1660654) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Amos No, it's prejudice against all creatures with 60 feet, I think... A |
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02 Feb 06 - 10:17 PM (#1660687) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Peace OK. Just so long as I wasn't doing that in the bathroom when I was a teenager. |
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02 Feb 06 - 11:00 PM (#1660716) Subject: RE: BS: Antidisestablishmentarianism . . . From: Amos The Oxford English dictionary lists sesquipedalianism ("the practice of using words one and a half feet long"). (Wikipedia) Well, I was off by a country mile on that 'un!! A |