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12 Feb 06 - 02:06 PM (#1667005) Subject: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: GUEST,hal Hello We currently have broadband e7even as an ISP ( don't touch'em, they're useless) Cos of the layout of the house, both our PCs have wireless connections down to the modem. E7even is so **&^%$£$%% useless I want to start with a new ISP ASAP. My main email address is on netscape, so I reckon I can reconnect with a new ISP The othe PC user here would lose his current email address if he changed so is willing to stick with 'em. If we both used dial-up I guess we could run 2 ISPs together no prob. Question - does anybody know if the modem could handle 2 ISPs ??? We could agree to use only 1 PC online at a time ! The modem was a bought replacement, as the supplied one packed up, so is generic. If had a 2nd modem supplied, could 2 modems function next to each other - each with 1 wireless connection ?? would there be some kind of interference ?? Any information gratefully received Hal |
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12 Feb 06 - 02:28 PM (#1667007) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: Rasener I assume you are UK. If so, you have to get a MAC code to stop with your present ISP. They will then clear the line. You provide your MAC code to the new ISP who then set you up. Broadband is linked to your telephone number and only one ISP can be used. Thats as I understand it. Never tried it, but I would have thought you can have one person using Broadband, and the other using the telephone part for 56K dial up. After all you can use your telephone at the same time as your broadband. However if that was possible, I would be surprised if you could use wireless for both machines - I would have thought that would create major confusion. The person using broadband could use the wireless modem/router and the other plugging there modem connected to the PC into the telephone part of the telephone line. Obviously no telephone at that point. I will probably get shot down in flames now :-) Hope you get it sorted, and would be interested in the result. An interesting thread. |
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12 Feb 06 - 03:38 PM (#1667022) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: Richard Bridge It's usually possible to change to a pay as you go dialup on your old ISP, and then pick up POP3 mail using your new broadband connection, or even have a premium mail account that allows you to send as well as receive POP3 mail through your old ISP. Using the first option you need to dial up (yes, dial up) to the old ISP about once every 6 weeks to keep the payg account active. The second is usually about £1.50 per month - oh wow! Then you put a note of the new email address in your signature, and gradually everyone shifts over. |
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12 Feb 06 - 05:28 PM (#1667052) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: The Fooles Troupe Of course you can only connect via a telephone line dialup to one ISP per phone line at a time. For that to work easily, you would need one modem per PC. |
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12 Feb 06 - 05:52 PM (#1667072) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: JudyB Depending how much you want to pay, you could get a second phone line and a modem for each computer. Works for us, and provides a hedge against each ISP's little quirks. Of course, we already had a second phone line for Charlie's business, and we never have networked his Mac and my PC - we have a couple of little USB drives we use to pass files back and forth. Funky, but functional. JudyB |
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12 Feb 06 - 05:57 PM (#1667075) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: Rasener Simple but effective me thinks. |
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12 Feb 06 - 06:03 PM (#1667079) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: The Fooles Troupe "If so, you have to get a MAC code to stop with your present ISP. They will then clear the line. You provide your MAC code to the new ISP who then set you up." Only if you have a fixed IP number? |
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12 Feb 06 - 06:09 PM (#1667080) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: Rasener News to me , but you probably are correct. I have a fixed IP So if you don't have a fixed IP you can just leave one ISP and join another? What about if you leave an ISP with a fixed IP and go to an ISP that gives you a roaming IP? |
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12 Feb 06 - 06:21 PM (#1667086) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: The Fooles Troupe You should be able to dial either - unless you have a 'box' usually a router - that has the IP number assigned to it. You may also have your system set up so that that IP number is looked for as your 'proxy'. We don't normally have that setup in Australia, so I don't know how any SW etc would be set up. 'roaming IP' A 'dynamically assigned' IP. I think that he Villian may be referring the to the 'code number' assigned to the LAN network card - each one of which is unique - that really doesn't matter on the internet - at least it doesn't matter where I have experience - always willing to learn though. Robin |
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12 Feb 06 - 06:37 PM (#1667094) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: Rasener I have a static IP address allocated by my ISP I am not referring to the NIC code number. We are wireless using USB adaptors on PC's with Modem/Router |
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12 Feb 06 - 07:14 PM (#1667115) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: Stilly River Sage The modem is simply the way the computer accesses the phone line. A single line with jacks (all to the same line) would work (here in the U.S., anyway) as long as one computer at a time uses the line, via the modem. Setting up a free email program and taking a few weeks to forward everything that comes in to the dedicated address (and send a change of email address to all senders) would then allow the one with the dedicated email to be free of whatever IP company you choose. Yahoo.co.uk, for example. Gmail.com (if you need an invitation to join, I haven't used more than about 3 of my 1000 I can send out). SRS |
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13 Feb 06 - 09:13 AM (#1667234) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: Grab Let this be a lesson to you - only *ever* use a portable email address! That means either buy yourself a domain name and use that (expensive), or go to Yahoo, Hotmail, Gmail or one of the other zillions of providers who'll let you pick up email from anywhere (cheap). You won't be able to connect to two ISPs simultaneously on the same phone line. But what you *may* still be able to do is get their email through your new ISP's connection. That's only a *maybe*, not for definite - check your ISP's details. As per Richard's suggestion, PAYG is usually cheaper for this. Personally, I reckon your mate who's sticking with the crap service is being dumb. It's easy enough to email all your friends and tell them you're moving your email. And this time use something portable for your email (see above), so that you don't have to keep changing your email address every time your ISP goes tits-up. Graham. |
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13 Feb 06 - 06:20 PM (#1667628) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: GUEST,hal Yup grab, I think he's dumb 4 sticking with them, it's a business email address - so even more reason to get a reliable service.(though that's not why I'm leaving him), Thanks the Villan, useful to know that broadband is tied to your phone number. I'm afraid I didn't understand most of the rest of comments :) - but thank you. & I'm glad somebody knows what they're talking about. The quality has picked up today, but I'll be living here 4/5 weeks yet so I might yet resort to buying the longest extension cable ever ssn in the midlands & getting a dial-up service to run in parallel. Thank you |
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13 Feb 06 - 06:25 PM (#1667633) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: Richard Bridge I think most webmail facilities are hard to use with POP3 email, so if you want to use OUtlook or OUtlook Express, you have a problem collecting mail from for example HOtmail. |
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14 Feb 06 - 12:30 AM (#1667895) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: JohnInKansas Hotmail does not provide for POP3 email on new free accounts, so you can't use OE or Outlook with them. There are "extra cost" premium Hotmail accounts available in most US areas that permit using POP3. "Legacy" hotmail accounts that are associated with older MSN accounts can still use POP3, at least for now. They whine a lot about it, and would "prefer" that new MSN and/or all Hotmail accounts use web mail. (They apparently benefit from all the extra advertising they can foist on you with web mail.) At least in the US, so far as I know, any MSN or Hotmail email account, POP3 or otherwise, can be accessed via web mail, using your browser, simply by logging in. We use primarily POP3 and our accounts are set up on POP3 accessible servers; but we can log in on the web, using a browser, for the web version, and do occasionally when there's a problem with the service. You should be able to access any active email account from any location and with any machine that can get on the web. Otherwise the travellin' salesmen in the motel would have a tough time checking their email. That means that if you can get on the web through any ISP, you should be able to access any email account, even if its with a different provider, as long as the account is still an active one. They'll just think you're spending the night in some hotel. Whether your roomie can change ISPs and keep his email address isn't really a tech question here. It's a matter of what your contract with the current connection provider will let him do. Sometimes you'll get a better (more specific) answer from the competitor to whom you'd like to switch than you will from the one that has the service and the exisiting email addy; so you should put the question to both if possible. It likely will cost something to have two services (the new connection and the old email account) but if it can be done it may not be unreasonable. Some DSL providers have advertised here (US) that you can switch to their service and keep any existing email address. I haven't been able to get enough info from any of them to know exactly how they manage it, or whether it is factually true, but at least their advertising depts think it is (or that they can get by with claiming it is until they get you screwed into their service). Probably, only your broadband provider knows the real answers to your questions; and if they're like the ones I've encountered here, you're unlikely to get past the marketing people to get to anyone who could tell you. (And their marketing people already told him/her NOT to tell you.) John |
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14 Feb 06 - 12:47 AM (#1667898) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: Rasener I still have my old e-mail address from my previous ISP. They havent cancelled it. |
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14 Feb 06 - 01:15 AM (#1667903) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: JohnInKansas Another "feature" of current free Hotmail email accounts is that they delete the account - and all your email - if you go 30 days without checking your mail. There's supposedly a "grace period" for getting the account back, but the email is gone forever. "For a few bucks more" you can get one of those premium accounts that they'll keep open - as long as you pay the monthly/yearly bill. The premium (paid for) accounts do up the amount of storage space so you don't encounter "mail box full" bounces, and let you send larger attachments. They supposedly allow IM (instant messaging - currently the primary source of viral infections on the web). They also get you a "premium line" of advertisements in place of some of the junk ads on their web mail sites. It's the same junk, but "sorted to match your personal interests," they say. How they determine what you're interested in isn't revealed... John |
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14 Feb 06 - 09:56 AM (#1668124) Subject: RE: Tech: 2 ISPs at the same time ??? From: Stilly River Sage Google's Gmail allows you to do the POP3 download. I have never used Outlook Express but I wanted a place to test the downloadable feature of Gmail, so I set it up, and it works. It is still set to also reside on the Google server, though I could remove that and have it load to my machine and wipe it from the server (like most traditional POP3 programs do). If I change out my email programs I'd set up my regular email programs (Pegasus, Mozilla Thunderbird, Eudora) to receive the mail to the new address as a different identity. It used to be a lot harder to do this, to let one program process mail for several accounts. Of the three, I like Thunderbird and Eudora the best. Pegasus is powerful but it gets quirky every now and then. SRS |