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02 Mar 06 - 06:46 AM (#1683067) Subject: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: catspaw49 A new twist!!! It's become pretty common to hear of things that people want like prisons or mental rehab/AA or other "halfway homes." We want them but just NIMBY......not in my backyard! Always made me wonder why you wouldn't want to live around a prison.....I mean what kind of asshole is going to escape and hide next door? But then again......it might be a good idea. In any case, these "desirable/undesirable" places are generally along those lines. I just heard on the news a new twist on the NIMBY premise. A local grocery chain (and my favorite btw) closed down about two years ago and though some of their stores have been opened as other businesses or groceries, quite a few are still vacant. One Columbus suburb is objecting to the proposed purchase of one of the closed stores as a church! It seems they are trying to get a zoning restriction passed as they want a "tax income providing" business and NOT a non-taxable church. The guy they interviewed actually said something like, "We need more churches of course but we would prefer them to locate elsewhere."....That's pretty close to a quote. Anyway, it cracked me up!!! It does beg the question though.....What would Jesus do? (:<)) Don't I recall a story about money changers or somethin'?...LOL Spaw |
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02 Mar 06 - 06:55 AM (#1683072) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: John MacKenzie Why don't they just tell the truth? They don't want to alienate non christians, and by so doing possibly lose business for other retailers on the site. I myself am forced to live across the road from a loch, and those birds just keep flying in and settling on my water, some of them all the way from Russia and Scandinavia too. I ask you what's a man to do? Giok |
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02 Mar 06 - 07:10 AM (#1683076) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: gnu If greed is a deadly sin, they're all going to hell. |
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02 Mar 06 - 08:25 AM (#1683119) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Janie I don't know about that community, 'Spaw, but many small towns and the people in them really struggle with revenue issues. Without a ggod commercial tax base the tax burden on residents can be come overbearing and drive out lower and moderate income people as both tax values and tax rates increase. We are struggling with that issue in our little berg right now. Janie |
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02 Mar 06 - 08:35 AM (#1683128) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: wysiwyg I don't want a church in my backyard, either. That would make MY house a rectory. I'd have a succession of brand-new landlords every time new Vestry members were elected, and a constant parade of, "We don't want to bother you but can we just see the rector for a FEW minutes and can I look at that celing crack now too please and is that a stain on the hallway carpet?" ~S~ |
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02 Mar 06 - 08:39 AM (#1683133) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Rapparee I noticed when I lived over that way that Columbus suburbs don't seem to be hurting much for money. Here, we have a university, God alone knows how many churches, a major FBI compound, federal courts, and a major railroad yard that are exempt from taxes. (The railroad thing goes back to Congressional action in the 1880s.) Personally, I think that churches should pay taxes. It looks to me like a violation of the seperation of church and state to exempt them. |
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02 Mar 06 - 10:03 AM (#1683216) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: katlaughing I agree, make them all pay taxes, too. |
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02 Mar 06 - 10:17 AM (#1683228) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: SINSULL I have a real problem with the term non-profit when the Vatican has to have an army of accountants handle their investments. Doubly so when the local churches are shutting down for lack of revenue. Anyway, I would object to a church in my back yard for purely selfish reasons - all that coming and going on Sunday AM. Give it a rest! SINS |
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02 Mar 06 - 10:24 AM (#1683239) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Amos We have a large one three blocks away; the traffic and sanctimony on a Sunday morning is almost unbearable. Only thing worse than a damn yuppie is a damn smug Yuppie pulling into Saint Mary's in his SUV. A |
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02 Mar 06 - 10:55 AM (#1683267) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: John MacKenzie Sanctimonious Utility Vehicle? Smug Uppitty Vaticancar? G. |
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02 Mar 06 - 11:34 AM (#1683298) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Folkiedave Brian Bedford - of Artisan - wrote a wonderful NIMBY song. Here |
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02 Mar 06 - 11:38 AM (#1683301) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Donuel Boston found a place to put a prison. It is built on the median strip of the Interstate highway. |
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02 Mar 06 - 11:40 AM (#1683302) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Peace First, get your elbow off my altar. |
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02 Mar 06 - 02:34 PM (#1683434) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Kaleea Please do put a church in my backyard-cause then you'd have to give me a backyard since I don't have one now! And make it a buggun, too. Since I'm a Musician, then I could frequent the church & offer my "witness" as well as my considerable experience performing in churches for free-but of course I would expect a BIG "love offering!" The rest of the time, my shades would be drawn & my doors locked & my phone unanswered. |
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02 Mar 06 - 02:50 PM (#1683449) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: bobad A CHURCH in your backyard! There goes the neighbourhood. |
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02 Mar 06 - 02:54 PM (#1683452) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Clinton Hammond We need more churches like we need more cancer |
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02 Mar 06 - 03:29 PM (#1683461) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: LilyFestre I don't want anyone in my backyard...I don't care if it's Walmart, a church or the Girl Scouts. My nearest neighbors are sheep and I quite like it that way! Michelle |
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02 Mar 06 - 05:12 PM (#1683542) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Bee-dubya-ell If churchgoers in Ohio are anything like the ones around here, there's a simple solution. Divide the building in half, sell or lease one half to the church and open an all-you-can-eat buffet restaurant in the other half. The loss of revenue from the church's tax exempt status would be more than made up by the taxes collected on what the faithful spend pigging out before and after services. |
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02 Mar 06 - 05:50 PM (#1683603) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Burke How about an Indian Tribe that buys back its ancestral lands with the casino profits & declares it sovreign land, then sells cigarettes from the properties without paying those taxed either? Oneida County, NY is saying welcome to the prisons & a coming sex offender treatment facility. I guess those jobs pay a bit better than dealing cards. I just pay my property taxes & 9% sales tax and am glad my house is outside of the land claim area. |
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02 Mar 06 - 06:04 PM (#1683623) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Little Hawk Funny...first thing that popped into my mind when I saw this thread title was...nude sunbathing (Not in MY BACKYARD!) Then I saw that Spaw had started it, and canned that idea right away. Well, here's a really good reason not to live next door to a damned prison: BAD VIBES. A great big, frikkin' GIANT cloud of psychic despair, rage, hatred, bitterness, and every nasty feeling you can imagine just pouring out of that place into the surrounding environs 24 frikkin' hours a day...SHHEEE-IT! Nope. Don't want to live next door to one. The same goes for slaughterhouses and casinos and really nasty bars. I'd like to be a fair distance away, know'm sayin'? I don't like all them bad vibes, man, they disturb my sleep and give me nightmares. Now ya got people who are oblivious to vibes. No shit. Totally frikkin' oblivious. They could be living within a stone's throw of Auschwitz in '44 and it wouldn't trouble them in the least if they weren't forced to think about it and there was food on the table. If they can't see it, it doesn't exist. Those people can live happily next to anything, I expect. |
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02 Mar 06 - 07:05 PM (#1683677) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Jim Dixon Jesus said something about rendering unto Caesar what belonged to Caesar. That could be interpreted to mean churches should pay taxes. I don't know what most churches do, but one Quaker meeting I know of makes an annual gift to the city "in lieu of taxes." They figure they get city services--police protection, etc.--just like any business, and so they ought to pay it. |
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02 Mar 06 - 07:15 PM (#1683682) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Little Hawk For some reason I just can't get excited about a "should we tax churches or not" debate. |
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02 Mar 06 - 07:28 PM (#1683694) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: John MacKenzie Michelle; about these sheep, are any of them good looking? Giok |
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02 Mar 06 - 09:57 PM (#1683824) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: catspaw49 Ah yes Gioko me lad.....Spoken like a true Scot!!! LOLOL Ya' know BeeDub.....That's a damn fine idea! For a start it would keep the Sunday crowd out of MY favorite restaurant where they look rudely at the guy in the Hoosier Tire cap with the family NOT dressed in Sunday-Go-To--Meetin' garb but rather leftover Saturday night Dirt Track racin' garb. Now that I think about it, there are a lot of other businesses that would do well to combine. I've always thought a whorehouse above a laundromat would go over big with a lot of single guys. Kind of a wash and dry/paid and laid thing. Spaw |
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03 Mar 06 - 07:38 AM (#1684234) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: gnu LOL Spaw!!! That's the best commercial property mix I ever heard of!! How's about a flower shop above a funeral home? There's a whole thread there. |
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04 Mar 06 - 07:32 AM (#1684925) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: Mooh Spent most of my life living next to churches, the old boy being a preacher...yeah, yeah, that makes me a son of a preacherman. And the house I bought and been living in for better than 12 years is next to a church. All in all, pretty good neighbourhoods they are. Sunday morning parking is a little tight. Why should churches pay taxes? Around here their outreach programs more than make up for the loss of tax revenue. Compared to industry there's little environmental impact, and industry doesn't appear to pay enough to compensate for their impact...though I suppose that's another thread. Rather live next to a church than a folk club. Peace, Mooh. |
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04 Mar 06 - 10:12 AM (#1685015) Subject: RE: BS: Not In My Backyard !!! From: gnu They do one heck of a lot more good with the $ than the government does. |