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08 Apr 06 - 02:13 PM (#1713259) Subject: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: The Shambles Sharif Abdel Gawad, whom the BNP describes as a "totally assimilated Greek-Armenian", was chosen to stand in a Bradford ward as part of the party's biggest ever electoral push. The decision has provoked a backlash among BNP hardliners who described Mr Gawad as an "ethnic" who should be barred from the party on race grounds. One regional organiser responsible for the candidate's selection is thought to be under pressure to resign. Another regional organiser is leading the dissent against the party leadership, saying it had betrayed the members and would confuse voters. http://politics.guardian.co.uk/otherparties/story/0,,1749556,00.html Looks like you are only British - if you look like it. |
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08 Apr 06 - 02:24 PM (#1713266) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: McGrath of Harlow Strictly speaking "totally assimilated Greek-Armenian" implies a mixed sort of background, which should rule out "ethnic" as a desciption - unlike the case of a white racist of 100 per cent ethnic English descent. |
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08 Apr 06 - 03:02 PM (#1713284) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Peace Another thread for those Nazi cocksuckers. |
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08 Apr 06 - 05:58 PM (#1713362) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Teribus Is there any such thing as someone who is, "of 100 per cent ethnic English descent." ?? |
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08 Apr 06 - 06:45 PM (#1713387) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: The Shambles Some Germans - perhaps? Gentleness, self-sacrifice and generosity are the exclusive possession of no one race or religion. Mohandas Gandhi |
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09 Apr 06 - 04:11 AM (#1713585) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: the one are we all not the rib of adam. |
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09 Apr 06 - 08:09 AM (#1713664) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Van It's surprising that a party can limit its members to one "race" and not fall foul of the law. |
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09 Apr 06 - 08:21 AM (#1713668) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: harmony Well i think it's a bit unfair. The BNP don't field ethnic candidates and are accused of racism, and when they do field ethnic candidates they are still accused of racism? I don't support them, as i am mixed-race myself, but certainly think they are not the worst to be seen. |
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09 Apr 06 - 08:41 AM (#1713674) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST,ifor The BNP are a grisly bunch...racist,thuggish and bigoted to their rotten core. At the heart of their attitudes is a vicious racism and anti semitism that consciously harks back to their admiration for Hitler and his nazis.The BNP was founded by John Tyndall an open nazi .He died last year but ther are photos of him posing in nazi uniform and he was quite open about his fascism.He also had a string of convictions as long as your arm for violence,racial harassment and para military activities. As a way of contrast the current fuehrer Nick Griffin only has a conviction for incitement to racial hatred, although he is facing a retrial on various charges .Griffin is a brute in a suit and thinks that by dashing about in a smart outfit he can fool the public into thinking he is just a nationalist.This man has been involved in race hatred and fascist circles since his youth and the anti racist magazine has the documentation to prove it. His minions are a grisly bunch too ....thugs and criminals and nazis ...what a sad but dangerous bunch. ifor |
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09 Apr 06 - 08:56 AM (#1713681) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Azizi Harmony you said that the BNP "is not the worst to be seen." What??!!! So is this a contest as to which group of contemporary or historical thugs & racists is the all time worst in observable actions??? Not to mention the contemptable actions these groups do in secrecy. Come on now, Harmony. Take off those rose colored glasses. Be real. Too much niceness and turn the other cheekisms can get you or your family or people who look like you badly beaten, or lynched or forced to take a one way trip to the gas chambers. Harmony, by your name I gather that you believe that one's ethnic and racial background should not make any difference in how she or he is considered or is treated. I believe in that too. But while espousing that goal, don't forget to know your enemies. And by the way, Jesus got angry at the money changers in the temple. It's healthy to vent some righteous anger at those who mean you no good. And it is also important to work for the world you want to experience and not pretend it's that kind of world already. Azizi, who is definitely not in a pollyanna, sweetness & light mood today if I ever am] |
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09 Apr 06 - 09:01 AM (#1713682) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Azizi Ifo, I didn't see your comment until I posted mine. I hope that Harmony and others who want to give the BNP the benefit of the doubt really read what you have said and understand the background and nature of this group. Thanks, Azizi |
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09 Apr 06 - 09:03 AM (#1713683) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Azizi Ifor, sorry about my typo re your name. |
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09 Apr 06 - 09:09 AM (#1713687) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: harmony It's not that i'm looking through rose tinted glasses. I just think it's fairly obvious the BNP has a marred past of racism and violence, but on the other hand, so have most other parties, in some way or other, they have all had horrible dealings. One only needs to think of the huge numbers of sex offenders in the other parties, or the terrorist links in Sinn fein, but they are accepted nowadays. I think it is rose tinted glasses to look at the BNP and pretend they are not the only bad guys out there. As for them hurting my family, i don't think that is likely. They always cavass around here come election times, (only time they bother) and i tell them a big resounding 'NO' but my family has never been attacked for not being white. |
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09 Apr 06 - 09:44 AM (#1713708) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST I missed out the name of the anti fascist magazine SEARCHLIGHT ...which is a good source about the BNP and other racist groups.The BNP ,of course hates the magazine which has done sterling work in opposing the BNP and other racist groups. Regards to Azizi! Ifor |
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09 Apr 06 - 09:57 AM (#1713716) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Azizi I wonder if the BNP and other such groups have members pretend to be swwetness & lighters on forums such as this and post such sap as this: "I just think it's fairly obvious the BNP has a marred past of racism and violence but on the other hand, so have most other parties, in some way or other, they have all had horrible dealings"... But if Harmony is really who Harmony says she or he is, then in my definitely not humble opinion, Harmony has some SERIOUS learning to do about how groups like BNP function. And that's all I'm gonna say on this matter. |
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09 Apr 06 - 10:16 AM (#1713724) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: harmony Azizi i resent your accusation that i am not who i am, just because i have put my views forward. Do you now doubt who i am simply because i have a different opinion. You have a lot to learn. I'm going to stay out of this now, as i am still fairly new to mudcat and did not join to fall out with people over the BNP. I'll stay away from politics on here from now on and stick to music i think. |
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09 Apr 06 - 10:27 AM (#1713726) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST www.bnp.org.uk |
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09 Apr 06 - 12:22 PM (#1713806) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST,Ifor The BBC undercover programme on the BNP last year give a pretty good indication about the horrible racism of the BNP and what they get up to...with one of their leading activists in the north boasting and bragging how he pushed dog mess through the letter boxes of Asian shopkeepers.Others planned to attack a van belonging to a trade union. One leading member of the BNP has a conviction for bomb making and for seriously assaulting a jewish teacher who was removing racist graffiti from a London tube wall while the Brixton and Soho nailbomber who murdered 2 people and maimed dozens of others was a BNP member who believed in the race war. Dont allow these people to organise as they are very dangerous . Unite Against Fascism is supported by trade unions and anti racist groups and is organising against the BNP and needs all the help it can. Check out its website! for |
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09 Apr 06 - 02:46 PM (#1713910) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: The Shambles But while espousing that goal, don't forget to know your enemies. I am not too sure what that means...Perhaps it could be explained a little more? Given some of the strong opinions of the nature of the BNP that have been posted - I am suprised that no one has posted to question why Mr Sharif Abdel Gawad would want to stand for this party? I know it is supposed to be a free country but are there any thoughts or suggestions as to why he would wish to? |
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09 Apr 06 - 02:53 PM (#1713921) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Peace "06/04/06: BNP in turmoil over candidate. Bradford organiser resigns. Category: General Posted by: Antifascist The British National Party has raced straight into trouble almost as soon as the nomination date for the local council elections has passed - but this time the trouble comes not from its opposition but from its fellow fascists both inside and outside the party. Bradford BNP have a candidate standing in Bowling and Barkerend, by the name of Sharif Abdel Gawad. Gawad, who is apparently half Welsh-half Turkish has been in the BNP for a couple of years and has been both active and prominent with Griffin pushing him to the fore on every possible occasion, along with Griffin's one and only Sikh friend who he produces every now and then to 'prove' he's not racist. Gawad was very much to the front of the BNP crowd on the opening day of Griffin's trial back in January. The moment the nominations were in and the white nationalists got wind of Gawad, all hell broke loose. One nazi forum called his nomination 'pointless', another reported that BNP activists in the area were refusing to canvass for him because he's 'not white'. Many more have attacked Nick Griffin's judgement in allowing Gawad to even join the party, with one supporter though non-member stating somewhat incoherently; 'For all those they convince that they [the BNP] aren't racist (which is a lie, as anyone who has spoken with average BNP activists will know) with these sort of moves, they disillusion just as many committed nationalists.' Gawad's appearance on the nomination papers has caused massive controversy in the Bradford BNP branch itself, leading to the resignation of its branch organiser and thus throwing it into chaos just prior to what it regards as a crucial election, and prompting this comment from a fellow nazi; 'One saving grace in all this, is the Organiser has now resigned. I should bloody well hope so too How dare he.' Insiders say that Griffin personally accepted Gawad's membership with the object of capitalising on his mixed parentage though why anyone would want to be used in this way by a party that has nothing but contempt for mixed-race offspring is beyond understanding. Resignations, refusals to canvass, attacks from fellow nazis all over the place, fake assassination attempts - and this is just the start of the election campaign. One wonders what Griffin has up his sleeve for us next. Update: The BNP writes; 'He is a staunch Bradford BNP activist, renowned for his strong anti-Islamic stance...' Well, that's alright then. Let's hope the Muslims of Bowling and Barkerend ward in Bradford remember that on May 4th and vote accordingly." |
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09 Apr 06 - 04:09 PM (#1713960) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST,M.Ted Harmony, Please don't leave because of Azzizi's comments, she misunderstood your comment--the BNP show up here in force from time to time(and, no doubt, will be arriving soon) so it is fairly common for posters to suddenly take their side without acknowledging that they are affiliated--so it is a natural(though unfortunate) thing to wonder if something that seems to support BNP is really coming from a BNP member who has not been identified-- Also,unfortunately, as in all polarized discussions, failure to denounce loudly enough is can be interpreted as sympathy-- |
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09 Apr 06 - 05:23 PM (#1714009) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Azizi GUEST,M.Ted, I can speak for myself and I will. I did not misunderstand harmony's comments. I stand by my posts on this thread. Needless to say, [since it is a free forum], harmony can stay or go as she {or he] desires. |
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09 Apr 06 - 05:49 PM (#1714030) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST Well done Azizi. A new member gone before they even got started |
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09 Apr 06 - 06:47 PM (#1714068) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Greg F. I think Azizi's done very well indeed- by speaking the truth about this sorry collection of racist psychopaths calling themselves the BNP. If that offends someone to the point of leaving, that's as they say, "on them" & good riddance. Tolerance and harmony can be taken to the point of idiocy. |
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09 Apr 06 - 06:54 PM (#1714074) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: The Shambles If you always try to show tolerance and harmony it could give you some right to criticise those who may not. |
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09 Apr 06 - 08:02 PM (#1714106) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: The Badger Before you all blow a fuse trying to outdo each other in outrageous sanctimony - be thankful that the BNP are not Fundamaentaist Muslim - BOOM! |
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09 Apr 06 - 08:34 PM (#1714126) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST The BNP member who planted the nail bomb in the soho pub and killed a man must have escaped your attention? |
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09 Apr 06 - 10:07 PM (#1714166) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Peace "Well done Azizi. A new member gone before they even got started." Harmony has been a Mudcat member since 1998. Which is likely more than can be said for you, GUEST. |
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09 Apr 06 - 10:16 PM (#1714172) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Peace "The BNP don't field ethnic candidates and are accused of racism, and when they do field ethnic candidates they are still accused of racism?" The BNP are racist bastards not because of the candidates they do or don't field but because of their party platform. It has been well documented and linked to--many times in the recent past. Take a few minutes and inform yourself and you won't comme across as being totally vacuous and uninformed. |
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10 Apr 06 - 02:50 AM (#1714272) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: The Shambles So why would Mr Sharif Abdel Gawad want to stand for this party? |
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10 Apr 06 - 03:37 AM (#1714285) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST There were Jews who supported Hitler. Same distorted thinking. |
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10 Apr 06 - 10:14 AM (#1714485) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Peace "So why would Mr Sharif Abdel Gawad want to stand for this party?" Maybe he's got issues? |
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10 Apr 06 - 12:33 PM (#1714583) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: The Shambles Do we assume he is one of our enemies that Azizi says we are to know? |
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10 Apr 06 - 12:34 PM (#1714584) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Peace If he's BNP he's definitely one of my enemies. |
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10 Apr 06 - 12:37 PM (#1714588) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Peace "Do we assume he is one of our enemies that Azizi says we are to know?" And who's this 'we' you be talkin' about? |
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10 Apr 06 - 01:20 PM (#1714626) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST,M.Ted Azzizi, I was speaking to the fact that you thought that Harmony might be a plant from BNP, and clarifying why that wasn't an unreasonable conjecture, given the circumstances here. I wasn't addressing your thought that Harmony was naive about the nature of the BNP at all--but I will now--People who say, "Well, there are lots of bad people out there, so why make such a fuss about...." rationalize inaction in the face of evil, and in this way, facilitate the evil-- I think that the fact that Harmony bailed out of the discussion when challenged, tells a a lot about the "I know what's happening is wrong, but they've never given me any trouble, and I don't want to get involved" mindset-- Truth be told Harmony, from your own account, the BNP know who you are, they know where you live, and we all know what they are capable of-- |
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10 Apr 06 - 05:03 PM (#1714786) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: The Shambles It is possible to see why (some of) the BNP would see that adopting this candidate as giving them some credibilty and perhaps he is also giving them some money? But it is far less clear why he would choose this party. |
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10 Apr 06 - 05:22 PM (#1714803) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Grab The BNP are *not* the worst to be seen - there are worse people than the BNP out there. However, that's rather like seeing someone up to their waist in shit and saying "well at least it's not up to your neck". At some point you have to realise that it's an awfully large quantity of shit and their situation is not a pleasant one, and rationalising that things could be worse does not decrease the amount of shit involved. Graham. |
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10 Apr 06 - 08:09 PM (#1714836) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST But it is far less clear why he would choose this party. Insanity springs to mind. |
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11 Apr 06 - 12:27 AM (#1714941) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST,GEUST yeah right, "harmony" has been a member since 98 ! read harmony's input in all those years,.. and the language and phrasing is very reminiscent of that hannam bellend sucking apologist who's mudcat name begins with a "Z" I've forgoten.. but can someone else please name and shame. "Z" something or fascist other.. remembered !!! zelger and some of you softer libral lefties might want to check out BNP linked "Redwatch" search & destroy website |
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11 Apr 06 - 12:33 AM (#1714942) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST,GEUST .. and also anyone here with a subscription to UK Channel 4 film.. theres a "true life" movie screening recently about a young brutal yank nazi skinhead hiding the secret that he's jewish ! cant remember the title.. research and watch it yourself.. we live in a world of mixed up fuck ups ! |
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11 Apr 06 - 12:40 AM (#1714943) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Peace The name Richard ring a bell? |
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11 Apr 06 - 03:02 AM (#1714974) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: The Shambles The film referred to is possibly this one. The Believer 2001. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0247199/ |
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11 Apr 06 - 07:43 AM (#1715059) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Grab Date: 10 Apr 06 - 05:22 PM The BNP are *not* the worst to be seen - there are worse people than the BNP out there. However, that's rather like seeing someone up to their waist in shit and saying "well at least it's not up to your neck". At some point you have to realise that it's an awfully large quantity of shit and their situation is not a pleasant one, and rationalising that things could be worse does not decrease the amount of shit involved. Graham. It's hard to hate though i must admit. I think Harmony, or whoever SHE or HE is, is being naive about the BNP, (maybe intentionally so, hannam? zelger?) But i take his/her point. I have BNP canvassers coming to the door, and when you have a 70+pensioner at your door on behalf of those racist scumbags, it is hard to hate. But make no mistake. Evil often comes in the form light. |
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11 Apr 06 - 10:22 AM (#1715153) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Peace Up front, I do not think Harmony is a BNP person. They are one helluva lot more disingenuous than that. People make honest mistakes. Let it go at that, OK? |
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11 Apr 06 - 11:20 AM (#1715187) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST,GUEST,GEUST Well i have only seen her make appearances on a zionist thread and this BNP one. She is BNP. |
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11 Apr 06 - 12:49 PM (#1715237) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GEUST just to keep the record streight.. "GUEST,GUEST,GEUST - PM Date: 11 Apr 06 - 11:20 AM" is not me.. but "GUEST,GEUST - PM Date: 11 Apr 06 - 12:27 AM" & "GUEST,GEUST - PM Date: 11 Apr 06 - 12:33 AM" definitely is me ! . and this is now me formaly logged in !!! though why anyone would bother to impersonate me, a registered [though mostly cookieless] GEUST, is too daft beyond measure !? |
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11 Apr 06 - 01:46 PM (#1715286) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST stalker |
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11 Apr 06 - 03:42 PM (#1715371) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Peace mocker |
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11 Apr 06 - 07:55 PM (#1715599) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Bobert Ummmm, harmony made one very good point... She or he said soemthing along ther lines that most parties have checkered pasts... This is very much true... Look at the Democratic Party which enjoyed a lot of success in the 40's and 50's with a Southern coilition of Dixiecrats who were not much more than a bunch of redneck racists... And look at the Republican party... It actively recruited former Nazis and Nazi sympathizers after World War II into its ranks... Google "History of the Heritage Council" fir details... As fir the BNP I must confess to not knowing much about them as a here & now party.... Maybe I'll do a search and see what they satnd for *today*.... Bobert |
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12 Apr 06 - 03:33 AM (#1715909) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: GUEST Let us know your findings bobert. I keep hearing these guys mentioned all the time on mudcat. |
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12 Apr 06 - 07:33 AM (#1716022) Subject: RE: BS: BNP select 'ethnic' row. From: Grab Chequered pasts 2-3 generations back, maybe I could believe things have changed. This same generation, I think not. Unless every racist from the BNP in the 80s and 90s has left (aerial pigs and Satan skating to work kind of likelihood), then I really doubt it. Graham. |