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11 Apr 06 - 08:17 PM (#1715616) Subject: BS: SHIVER surname UK? Help please.. From: Fortunato Mudcat friends, I have a request. If you know of or have heard of someone with my surname, SHIVER,(spelled that way) somewhere in the UK, please give me whatever info you can about them. After many years of research we been unable to connect the US families named Shiver who arrived here from somewhere before 1735. We know about the supposed derivation of the name from Chevre in France to Cheever(s). There are folks named Shivers who have made connections with the UK, and we know spellings may vary, but there seem to have been folks named Shiver in Ireland and England at one time. But are they still there somewhere? If I could contact someone of that name who has done some research...well you see. thanks chance (Shiver) |
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12 Apr 06 - 02:56 AM (#1715894) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: The Shambles There are lots of Chivers. They used to make jellies and probably still do. Would this spelling not be from the same root? |
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12 Apr 06 - 02:58 AM (#1715895) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: The Shambles http://www.chiversfarms.co.uk/ CHIVERS FARMS LTD is a private family farming company formed in 1962. It had its earlier origins in Chivers & Sons (of jam and jelly fame), which was sold to Schweppes in 1960. |
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12 Apr 06 - 03:59 AM (#1715927) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Gurney I do qualify to answer, because I was English for the first half of my life. Never knew a Shivers, though. Chivers, Scriveners, yes, but no-one in the Auckland NZ phone book of exactly that spelling. Chivers rhymes with shivers (trembles), by the way, and not some-one who harvests chives. All the other names starting with Shi.. look oriental. |
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12 Apr 06 - 06:18 AM (#1715979) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: greg stephens Chance: you may be unique! |
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12 Apr 06 - 06:18 AM (#1715981) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: MBSLynne Have you registered on Genes Reunited? I got onto it at the end of February and have found no end of distant relatives and additional info for my family tree. Admittedly, I haven't found anyone researching my mystery surname, Louthin, but they are extremely hard to find Love Lynne |
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12 Apr 06 - 06:21 AM (#1715984) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: greg stephens There do notseeem to be any Shivers in the Cumbrian or Stoke-on-Trent phone books. It does exist as a Christian name though, the famous pirate Shiver Matimbers. |
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12 Apr 06 - 06:23 AM (#1715987) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: sian, west wales No 'Shivers' and 2 'Chivers' in the South West Wales phone book. sian |
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12 Apr 06 - 06:29 AM (#1715991) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Purple Foxx No Shivers in the Tyneside phone book either. I have the current U.K. electoral roll on disc & will check that later. |
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12 Apr 06 - 06:41 AM (#1715998) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Bunnahabhain Closest Edinburgh has is shivas and chivas, one of each. No great use there. The census link below finds theee people with the surname shiveralive in 1901, all born in lancashire. UK 1901 Census |
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12 Apr 06 - 07:29 AM (#1716021) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: GUEST,Paul Burke I suspect the name Chivers derives from the villages adjacent, but situated on opposite sides of the railway line, of Higher Cheever and Lower Cheever. |
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12 Apr 06 - 08:45 AM (#1716062) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: GUEST,Cookieless gnomad Phone book for Scarborough & Yorkshire coast has no entry for Shivers. One of these may be able to help, but I have no experience of either. One possible Another Good luck. |
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12 Apr 06 - 08:58 AM (#1716071) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: GUEST,Micca Chance, i will have a look when I get back to London Next Monday! |
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12 Apr 06 - 09:02 AM (#1716072) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Fortunato Thanks to all so far. Greg, they've often said they threw away the mold when they made me... Yes, I've had the Chivers products and those folks and Cheevers may all be somehow related (as we're all related, in the end (?). Our name appears as Shiver (no 'S' at the end) uniquely in 1750 or in a land grant in South Carolina. I'm taking a shot that the family story of two brothers of that name arrived, either from Ireland or England and wound up in SC is accurate and they could spell(?!). |
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12 Apr 06 - 09:08 AM (#1716077) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Fortunato Bunnahabhain Thanks for the link to census. I had seen reference to Lancshire for the name but much older, and your link gives me hope some are still alive, out there. We don't seem to breed much. Perhaps they all played the banjo. best, Chance |
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12 Apr 06 - 09:16 AM (#1716079) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: The Shambles Sounds like a name from the North? |
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12 Apr 06 - 09:53 AM (#1716097) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Fortunato Well, Shambles, the usual story goes that a fellow named Chevre, (Goat Cheese?)came to the Ireland and then England with William of Orange. Afterwhich, education and spelling being what they were, the name Chevre transmogrified into Chever, cheevers, and perhaps Shiver(s)as well. Of course no one knows. Why do you say the North? |
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12 Apr 06 - 10:43 AM (#1716127) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: katlaughing Chance, you might want to take a look in the AUCTION. I'll do a quick search on ancestry.com and let you know if there are any possibilities...maybe sweeten the pot a little.:-) |
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12 Apr 06 - 10:45 AM (#1716132) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: MBSLynne Spelling is of almost no relevance in surnames. My mother's maiden name of Stapleford is also spelled Stableford. My Grandfather always spelled it with the 'P' but his brother always used the 'b' and that was well into the 20th century. Dpn't forget that universal (almost) literacy is a very recent thing. In the past, even those who could read and write often used the skills very little and many people would spell phonetically. Witness how bad a lot of people's spelling is these days! Love Lynne |
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12 Apr 06 - 10:47 AM (#1716137) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: MBSLynne BTW there are two Shivers with the 's' in the Leicestershire phone book Love Lynne |
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12 Apr 06 - 10:51 AM (#1716144) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: katlaughing Here's one example of what I found on ancestry.com. A little late for your folks, but there may still be something there. Detrich Shiver Arrival Date: May 11, 1827 Age: 22 Gender: M Port of Arrival: New York Place of Origin: England Occupation: Sugar Refiner Destination: United States of America Ship: Ship Acasta There are several Shiver listings coming over in the late 1800's. And, here are some listings from birth indexes: Record Alice Shiver 1874 Apr-May-Jun Gateshead Co. Durham, Tyne And Wear View Record William James Shiver 1885 Oct-Nov-Dec West Derby Lancashire View Record Elsie Emma Shiver_ 1889 Apr-May-Jun Kettering Northamptonshire View Record Richard Henry Shiver_ 1889 Apr-May-Jun Gateshead Co. Durham, Tyne And Wear Microfilm Serial Number: M237 Perhaps another clue/connection, from a death index: ngland & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Record info about William Shiver Name: William Shiver Birth Date: abt 1822 Year of Registration: 1908 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 86 District: Peterborough County: Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire Volume: 3b Page: 171 (click to see others on page) More, if you want to participate in the auction!**bg** |
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12 Apr 06 - 10:53 AM (#1716146) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: katlaughing Also, do you know about the free Shiver Family Forum at genealogy.com? Lots of postings and you can add your own query. |
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12 Apr 06 - 12:25 PM (#1716232) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Fortunato Dear Katlaughing, thanks very much for the info. I do know about the forum, but I've not paid attention for awhile. make clear ties to an immigrant, or even move backward from Camden, SC from the land grant. But thanks. I thought I'd try another tack, reverse! I'll check out the auction. best, chance |
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12 Apr 06 - 12:28 PM (#1716236) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Fortunato MBSLynne, thanks for the info. When I go over to visit the Micca I'll call those folks, perhaps in Leicestershiver. I understand the spelling issue. Even my family spells the name with or without the final 's'. It's only that my most remote certifiable ancestor spelled it without the 's' so I thought I'd start there. |
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12 Apr 06 - 01:20 PM (#1716284) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: The Shambles Why do you say the North? The North is cold enough to make you Shiver. Sorry............... |
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12 Apr 06 - 01:23 PM (#1716289) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: MBSLynne When I was doing one line of my family tree, which came from Leicestershire, I wrote to every one of that name in the 'phone book. If you want me to give you those addresses, PM me. Writing to them first might be a good move...they may then be waiting to greet you with open arms! Love Lynne |
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12 Apr 06 - 01:37 PM (#1716302) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Fortunato Lynne, PM on it's way. muchas gracias. |
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12 Apr 06 - 03:11 PM (#1716419) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: katlaughing Shambles, we know there were some of them here, kinda North, way out West...CLICK! |
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12 Apr 06 - 04:14 PM (#1716498) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Purple Foxx Sorry to take so long. As you are already aware their are records of this family in Leicestershire. The issue of surnames predating standardised spelling is covered elsewhere in this thread. Apologies for offering something so insubstantial. |
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12 Apr 06 - 05:48 PM (#1716580) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Helen A quick google found this page of links for searching for people in the UK I did a quick search with the UK peoplefinder and found no-one. It searches electoral rolls and other resources. Helen |
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13 Apr 06 - 10:36 AM (#1717248) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Teribus Apparently came over with William the Conqueror, fought at Hastings and were granted lands in Leicestershire for their services on that day. |
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13 Apr 06 - 12:55 PM (#1717300) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Fortunato Purple Fox, Thanks for your help. I'm glad for your thoughts and input and your time. Teribus, I'd like to know what you say is true, but my internet search of the Domesday book hasn't turned up anything, although elsewhere people who want to sell me stuff suggest something else. What makes you thinks so? Chance |
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13 Apr 06 - 04:42 PM (#1717540) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Noreen No Shivers here, Chance- none in the local Worcester phone book, and not a name that I have ever heard at all before I met you. I thought you were a one-off! Good luck with your search. |
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13 Apr 06 - 04:46 PM (#1717543) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Georgiansilver There is a G.P. Shivers living in Boston, Lincolnshire. Can provide UK telephone number if required. Best wishes, Mike. |
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14 Apr 06 - 10:18 AM (#1718068) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: folk1e Nothing in sunny Manchester eather! It was my understanding that people in that era just made up a second name to differentiate them from all the others with the same fore name! Usualy this was a place or occupation. A Shiver is a type of crack in a long piece of wood "siver me timbers",so it could have been a nickneme given to a carpinter. Or I could be talking b****cks. Good luck anyway! |
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14 Apr 06 - 05:20 PM (#1718327) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Doug Chadwick There's an "S Shiver" listed in the London 'phone book. DC |
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19 Apr 06 - 11:19 AM (#1721821) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Fortunato Doug Chadwick et al Thanks very much for your responses, I'll refresh this thread when or if I receive any answer to the letters I send to these folks. Strange there are so few of them. Makes you wonder if most of my forbears were hanged or otherwise prevented from breeding. best chance |
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19 Apr 06 - 11:37 AM (#1721833) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: open mike here is what i found on roots web Surname From To Migration Submitter SHIVER 1400 ----- SC sandlott Shiver 1700 1900 Worldwide twocats1 Shiver 1700 ALA linpinda Shiver 1734 now NC>GA>AL bcassady Shiver 1736 now VA>SC>GA pjshiver Shiver 1753 now DEU>PA>SC>GA>FL,USA sshiver Shiver 1758 now KershawCo,SC>Wilkinson>Floyd>Brooks>GlynnCo, GA susak Shiver 1765 now SC>GA,USA shiverf Shiver 1770 1880 SC>GA>PulaskiCo,GA,USA donnana Shiver 1791 now KershawCo,SC>GA>MitchellCo,GA,USA mkozy Shiver 1800 now FL,USA jshiver Shiver 1800 now MitchellCo,GA,USA jheard4 Shiver 1800 now FL>MS>LA shivor SHIVER 1800s now GA>FL>GA sc2id Descendant of REBECCA JANE SHIVER (who married Wm M. SULLIVAN, June 01, 1846 in Alachua Co.,FL). Rebecca was born 04 Oct 1828 in Dooly Co.,GA and was the daughter of MANNING SHIVER & SARAH. REBECCA died 30 April 1912 in Mitchell Co.,GA, at the age of 83. Shiver 1855 now AL>AR,USA striplin Shiver 1858 1930 TX cfkonz3 Shiver 1884 1899 Ga>Fl>USA Levylady married Ssamuel Jo Miller,Sumner,Levy,Fl Shiver 1920 1920 IRL>GA>FL,USA kshirah Shiver 1920 ---- WayneCo,MI>GA>AL>NC liana Shiver 1930 1950 MD stitcher these entries are by people who are doing genealogical research. most of them have e-mail addresses..the links did not copy here is more info: http://resources.rootsweb.com/~clusters/surnames/s/h/SHIVER/ |
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19 Apr 06 - 12:18 PM (#1721880) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Bardford A search on SHIVER at Free BMD (Birth, Marriage, Death index) yields 4 results. Search on SHIVERS shows more. |
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19 Apr 06 - 12:32 PM (#1721899) Subject: RE: BS: SHIVER surname in the UK? Help please.. From: Fortunato Thanks Bardford I'll investigate. cheers, chance |