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17 Apr 06 - 08:50 PM (#1720662) Subject: Lyr Add: 'Every Good Ship Has A Mainmast' chanty From: John M. Here is a recording of "Every Good Ship Has A Mainmast". This is sung by John W. Herbert on 15 April 2006. He learned this during WWII. EVERY GOOD SHIP HAS A MAIN MAST (recording)The transcription above is courtesy of Lighter. |
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17 Apr 06 - 10:10 PM (#1720723) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: 'Every Good Ship Has A Mainmast' chanty From: Charley Noble Very nice! Never ran across this one. Charley Noble |
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18 Apr 06 - 12:01 AM (#1720795) Subject: Lyr Add: 'Every Good Ship Has A Mainmast' shanty From: John M. From folktrax: EVERY GOOD SHIP - "has a mainmast, a stiff standing From the Gordon "Inferno" Collection: 365 November 10, 1924I assume that the "request" items in the "Inferno" are fragments of songs of which the full song is being requested. |
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09 Jun 08 - 09:18 PM (#2361962) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chant From: Jack Horntip From the 1927 unexpurgated book Immortalia. pages 62-3: THE SHIP'S IN THE HARBOR Ed Cray in his Erotic Muse pg 60, says that the song is similar to the song "Follow the Band" (aka "My Father's a Mason"). See here: http://books.google.com/books?q=%22Every+ship+has+a+capstan%22&btnG=Search+Books |
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09 Jun 08 - 09:40 PM (#2361977) Subject: RE: Every Good Ship (Bawdy Shanty) From: Jack Horntip Here is a text from A Collection of Sea Songs from the Collection of Dave E. Jones pgs 30-31, Song #31. The "---" dash expurgations are in the original. Please download the PDF, if you wish to verify the text. EVERY GOOD SHIP |
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09 Jun 08 - 10:09 PM (#2361987) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chant From: Charley Noble Nice to have some more references. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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17 Jun 08 - 10:57 PM (#2368422) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: GUEST,Lighter The late Bruce Olson unearthed the "original" - from about 1690!: A ship load of Wagery. [English Broadside, c 1685-92] To a new Tune. Or Ah Chloris awake. A ship must have a steersman to steer her Course true, And a Maid must have a Youngman to give her her --- Top and Top gallant A ship she sails trimly Maids, if they be not pleased They'l frown and look grimly. A Ship must have Rudder to steer in the dark, And a Maid must have a youngman to hit at her --- Top and Top gallant. A ship she sails, &c. A Ship must have a Cannon to keep off her foes, And a Maid must have a youngman to take up her --- Top and Top gallant. A ship she sails, &c. A ship must have a Bowsprit, with a Sprizin a cross, And a maid must have a youngman with a swinging long --- Top and Top gallant A ship she sails trimly, Maids if they be not pleased, They'l frown and look grimly. A Ship must have a Buntlin to hawl up her Bunt A maid must have a youngman to tickle her --- Top and Top gallant. A ship she sails trimly, &c. A Ship must have a Mast; a long, strong, and straight Stick, And a maid must have a youngman with a long lusty --- Top and Top gallant. A ship she sails trimly, &c. A Ship mus be well Victual'd with Meat without Bones, And a maid would have a youngman with a stout pair of --- top and top gallant A Ship she sails trimly, &c. A Ship should have a Captain her Men to command And a maid would have a youngman to have his P--- , top and top gallant A ship she, &c. A Ship should have a Master to take in her freights, And a maid would have a youngman to sail in her --- top and top gallant A ship she sails, &c. When a Ship is under sail we do wish her good luck, And a maid under a youngman We wish her a good --- top and top gallant A ship she, &c. When a Ship comes into Port she must enter her Cockpit, When a youngman come to'th fort he must enter, and --- top and top gallant A ship she sails trimly, &c. |
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30 May 09 - 02:38 PM (#2644283) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chant From: Gibb Sahib Lighter wrote The late Bruce Olson unearthed the "original" - from about 1690!: Ah! This is what first came to mind when I started checking out Hugill's "Slack Away Yer Reefy Tayckle." By chance, I had recorded "A Ship-load of Waggery" for the UC Santa Barbara's English Ballad Broadside Archive. (I am a bit embarrassed by the actual recording; it was run off quite spuriously along with a set of other ballads all with the "Ah Cloris!" air, with the mainly-functional purpose of rapidly logging in realizations of the many broadside texts. I was also cracking up laughing as I was singing, and the recordist had to leave the room eventually so I could compose myself!) Here is a link to the ballad (link to tune at left side): A Ship-load of Waggery And because I am hard-pressed to find a recording of "Reefy Tayckle," here's that one: Slack Away Yer Reefy Tackle Thanks for this thread, very informative. Gibb |
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31 May 09 - 11:19 AM (#2644857) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chant From: Charley Noble Well, that would certainly brighten up our set list. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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31 May 09 - 12:51 PM (#2644933) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: EBarnacle It would appear that many of the original rhymes have gone out of common usage, even among us archaists. |
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01 Jun 09 - 08:36 AM (#2645493) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chant From: Charley Noble Well, riddle me this: A ship must have a Bowsprit, with a Sprizin across, And a maid must have a youngman with a swinging long --- Top and Top gallant A ship she sails trimly... We might as well try to decode this old chestnut. Any suggestions? Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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01 Jun 09 - 08:10 PM (#2645985) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chant From: Gibb Sahib I'm stumped. ?? hose horse joss = joss-stick = prick (a bit of anachronistic rhyming slang that I just made up!) Whatever it is, it's likely that it doesn't rhyme with "cross" as we now pronounce it. Keep the possibilities open for a range of different vowels, and even an 'r' thrown in there. |
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01 Jun 09 - 09:04 PM (#2646022) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chant From: Charley Noble Gibb- "Ho'se" might be the answer, as an indirect reference to a stallion's large member. Charley Noble |
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01 Jun 09 - 09:23 PM (#2646028) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Lighter I suggest "tarse," the usual early English term. It was often printed "T---e." People had pretty much quit using it (I mean the word) by 1800. |
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01 Jun 09 - 10:47 PM (#2646088) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chant From: Charley Noble Lighter- Welcome to this erudite discussion! You certainly have nailed this one, "tarse" being an old English slang word for male genitals. My classmates had lots of slang words for male genitals but they never came up with that one, and many of them were from ancient Scotch-Irish (not necessarily English of course!) families. Shall we try this verse: A Ship should have a Captain her Men to command And a maid would have a youngman to have his P--- ... Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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02 Jun 09 - 09:43 AM (#2646424) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Lighter Easy one, Charley. "P---- stand." |
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03 Jun 09 - 08:43 AM (#2647289) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chant From: Charley Noble Ah, I was assuming that it was the "p" word that had to rhyme. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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03 Jun 09 - 10:23 AM (#2647360) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Tug the Cox Prick to upstand? |
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03 Jun 09 - 04:11 PM (#2647631) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chant From: Gibb Sahib That last one is funky because I'm not sure how you'd sing it to give the clue for the intended word. Would you just sing a 'p' sound, or...? |
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03 Jun 09 - 04:44 PM (#2647665) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Lighter Not sure I understand the Q., but the dashes are simply a printing convention. All the words must have been sung, or so it seems to me. |
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03 Jun 09 - 05:25 PM (#2647703) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: curmudgeon If you're looking to a proper scan, try using for "P____" a two syllable word like pintle, pillie, pego, all found in the glossary of Legman's edition of the Merry Muses. There's lots of fine old words that we've forgotten, but have not yet lost - Tom |
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03 Jun 09 - 06:42 PM (#2647742) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chant From: Gibb Sahib Not sure I understand the Q., but the dashes are simply a printing convention. All the words must have been sung, or so it seems to me. My understanding is that they are not to be sung, rather implied, and that is the fun of it. This is the way of the two sea songs, "Every Good Ship..." and "Slack Away..." Besides, if they were to be sung, then the above previous example would have been printed as "t---e," I think. Guessing here -- the "Top and Top Gallant" phrase might be an equivalent to those censor "bleeps" that one hears on TV. |
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04 Jun 09 - 05:18 AM (#2647996) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Tug the Cox Yes, Gibb, you're right. The bit I wrote would have been innediately drowned out by the chorus. |
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04 Jun 09 - 09:56 AM (#2648161) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Lighter A better possibility, perhaps, is that no part of the omitted words was to be sung at all, and that the printing of the initial letter was only to suggest what was intended to the possibly insufficiently imaginative purchaser of the sheet. The song is sung that way today, but that doesn't mean it was necessarily sung that way over 300 years ago. At any rate, the appearance of dashes would tell the broadside customer immediately that the song was somehow naughty, thus attracting his or her attention. |
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16 Nov 10 - 09:20 AM (#3033477) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: shipcmo refresh |
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12 Jun 18 - 04:43 PM (#3930556) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: GUEST,Grills I've been struggling with this for a while, what the heck rhymes with "aloft" ??? Every good ship has a tops'l, and the tops'l's up aloft. Every young girl HATES a young man who [?thumps it in] |
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12 Jun 18 - 05:26 PM (#3930559) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Snuffy I'd guess the rhyming word is "soft" |
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22 Oct 23 - 07:39 AM (#4184246) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Tug the Cox When a good ship is under full sail We wish her good luck when a young girl's under a young man We wish her a good.... |
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22 Oct 23 - 07:39 AM (#4191360) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Tug the Cox When a good ship is under full sail We wish her good luck when a young girl's under a young man We wish her a good.... |
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22 Oct 23 - 10:29 AM (#4191359) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Steve Gardham Interesting thread. Simply because I haven't seen the word used here I add it. These are well-known in folklore circles as 'teasing songs or rhymes'. They are quite common in bawdry and British children have a good repertoire of them. There one was a lady who walked like a duck, Who said she'd invented a new way to ... Educate children etc. Usually there is no metric gap for the rhyme word, it progresses straight into the first word of the next line. There must surely be a separate thread for examples of these. I'm sure I've contributed some before now. |
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22 Oct 23 - 10:29 AM (#4184262) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Steve Gardham Interesting thread. Simply because I haven't seen the word used here I add it. These are well-known in folklore circles as 'teasing songs or rhymes'. They are quite common in bawdry and British children have a good repertoire of them. There one was a lady who walked like a duck, Who said she'd invented a new way to ... Educate children etc. Usually there is no metric gap for the rhyme word, it progresses straight into the first word of the next line. There must surely be a separate thread for examples of these. I'm sure I've contributed some before now. |
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30 Oct 23 - 11:22 AM (#4184787) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Tug the Cox As I was walking by St Pauls, a lady grabbed me by the Arm, she said you look a man of pluck, come inside and have a Ham sandwich. Threepence, sixpence or a bob, all according to the size of....... your sandwich. |
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30 Oct 23 - 11:22 AM (#4191361) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Tug the Cox As I was walking by St Pauls, a lady grabbed me by the Arm, she said you look a man of pluck, come inside and have a Ham sandwich. Threepence, sixpence or a bob, all according to the size of....... your sandwich. |
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26 Apr 25 - 08:15 PM (#4221648) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Jack Horntip Every ship has a cabin c1927. The Gordon Inferno Collection. Text #3729. Notable for naming a tune. See here: https://archive.org/details/1917gordoninfernocollection/page/n172/mode/1up |
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27 Apr 25 - 10:01 AM (#4221664) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Jack Horntip I can't find a "Gradaus den Wirtzhaus" song. A Latin song of "Gaudeamus igitur" was known and sung at this time. |
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27 Apr 25 - 12:12 PM (#4221680) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Lighter Hugill's tune seems to be adjusted from "Ach, Du Lieber, Augustin." |
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05 Jun 25 - 04:05 PM (#4223787) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Jack Horntip Ballad Index entry:https://balladindex.org/Ballads/BrE2062.html
Every Good ShipDESCRIPTION: "Every good ship has a" x, every x has y, "every young girl likes a young man"; the fourth line hides a rhyme with y. For example: x is "poop deck", y is "bits" and the fourth line is "to play with her"AUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1946 (Bronner/Eskin-FolksongAlivePart2) KEYWORDS: ship sailor sex bawdy nonballad wordplay FOUND IN: US(SW) REFERENCES (1 citation): Bronner/Eskin-FolksongAlivePart2 62, "Every Good Ship" (1 text, 1 tune) Roud #23536 File: BrE2062 Go to the Ballad Search form Go to the Ballad Index Instructions The Ballad Index Copyright 2025 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. |
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05 Jun 25 - 04:23 PM (#4223788) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Jack Horntip
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05 Jun 25 - 04:28 PM (#4223790) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Jack Horntip Manuscript of the song from Percy Grainger Folk Song Collection, Royston Clifford's Chanties, "Every Ship", 10 Jul 1908 (?) See here: https://archives.vwml.org/records/PG/13/4 |
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10 Jun 25 - 08:27 AM (#4223985) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Jack Horntip SLACK AWAY YER REEFY TAYCKLE Shanties from the seven seas by Hugill See here: https://archive.org/details/shantiesfromseve0000unse/page/503/mode/1up?q=%22Every+maiden+loves+a+sailor%22 |
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10 Jun 25 - 08:38 AM (#4223986) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Jack Horntip Second ballad entry: https://balladindex.org/Ballads/Doe165.html
Let Go the Reef TackleDESCRIPTION: The ship sails out the channel as the sailor cries out, "Let go the reef tay-ckle, Let go the reef tay-ckle, Let go the reef tay-ckle, My sheets they are jammed."AUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1945 (Harlow-ChantyingAboardAmericanShips) KEYWORDS: sailor work FOUND IN: US(MA) REFERENCES (3 citations): Doerflinger-SongsOfTheSailorAndLumberman, p. 165, "Let Go the Reef Tackle" (1 text, 1 tune) Harlow-ChantyingAboardAmericanShips, pp. 170-171, "Let Go the Reefy Tackle" (1 text, 1 tune) Hugill-ShantiesFromTheSevenSeas, p. 503, "Slack Away Yer Reefy Tayckle" (1 text, 1 tune) [AbEd, p. 371] Roud #9145 CROSS-REFERENCES: cf. "Let Go the Peak Halyards" (form) File: Doe165 Go to the Ballad Search form Go to the Ballad Index Instructions The Ballad Index Copyright 2025 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. |
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10 Jun 25 - 08:52 AM (#4223987) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Every Good Ship Has a Mainmast (chantey) From: Jack Horntip So two ballad entries and, of course, two Roud #'s: Roud #9145 and Roud #23536 |