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19 Apr 06 - 02:49 PM (#1722024) Subject: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: The Shambles Those who mainly post on music related threads and especially those who choose to post as guests may be interested in the Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team's latest proposed change. As this has only been announced in the BS section - you may not be aware of it. Perhaps this thread can remain in the music related section for the benefit of those posters in this section who will be affected by this proposal? I'm open to any and all suggestions, but it seems to me that it's time for members-only posting to BS, with membership paswords sent only to those with valid e-mail addresses, and for full review of Guest posts to the music section before they are released to public view. I see no value in the continued combat we've had, or in our continuing to protect the anonymity of those who want to cause trouble anonymously. If you have a better idea, express it. Try to say something new, something true, and something constructive. Joe Offer I have no idea exactly what this 'full review' of Guest postings will be or who will be judging what is suitable for releasing to public view - so perhaps this 'review' and the reasons why it is judged to be needed after all this time - could be explained in more detail? It would be nice for any future contributor who may drop in to post as a Guest to have a say on this also - but this will not be possible. |
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19 Apr 06 - 02:53 PM (#1722032) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Richard Bridge Oh for goodness sake. Get rid of Gobson and leave the guests. |
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19 Apr 06 - 02:59 PM (#1722033) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Joe Offer Danm. I woulda sworn Shambles said all that could be said on the matter in BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS? |
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19 Apr 06 - 03:00 PM (#1722035) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: The Shambles Perhaps this thread can remain in the music related section for the benefit of those posters in this section who will be affected by this proposal?
-Joe Offer- |
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19 Apr 06 - 03:02 PM (#1722037) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: jeffp Now it's where it belongs. |
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19 Apr 06 - 03:06 PM (#1722042) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Jack the Sailor My suggestion would be to review ALL posts for offensive content and to treat each post on its own merits. But if all posts cannot be reviewed, I would give special attention to posts by people with a history of abusing others. |
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19 Apr 06 - 03:17 PM (#1722049) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Rapparee I fail to see why, in a moderated and "owned" forum, I should have a problem with this decision. Good on ya, Max, et al.! |
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19 Apr 06 - 03:35 PM (#1722070) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Alba I am with Rapaire. |
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19 Apr 06 - 03:48 PM (#1722081) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Richard Bridge I do think there might be merit in requiring full names and addresses so that those who are offensive risk ordinary social sanctions |
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19 Apr 06 - 03:50 PM (#1722084) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: WFDU - Ron Olesko I like Richard's suggestion. Being a guest opens up the possiblity of abuse. |
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19 Apr 06 - 03:53 PM (#1722090) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Maryrrf Yes, Yes, Yes I agree with Joe Offer's intention. I can't wait to enjoy the new moderated Mudcat without the troublemakers. |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:00 PM (#1722106) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Wesley S A 10 minute delay in the time messages are entered might cool things down a lot. I think our ability to enter rapid fire posts escalates the action around here. |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:07 PM (#1722123) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: katlaughing IMO, any guest who attacks the Mudcat and/or its members, need to be outed asap. We ALL deserve to know who the attackers are, in the BS or Music section. |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:09 PM (#1722126) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: M.Ted A solution that has not been discussed: require that problem posters post a bond--also, it might help if posts were reviewed for originality--and we need fact checkers-- |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:15 PM (#1722136) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: bobad Since this is Max's site he and his delegates can run it anyway they see fit. It is my feeling that that the proposed changes will result in much less time and space wasted on garbage posts and result in a smoother flow of ideas and opinions with less nastiness and fewer hijacks. It's worth a try. |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:17 PM (#1722139) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: GUEST It sounds like someone is going to have a lot of reading to do. I hope that Max pays you big bucks for volunteering to do this (LOL). If I say that such and such is a great piece of music but you think it stinks does that mean that my message won't get posted? Where do you draw the line? Good luck! If you think that people complained before wait until you see all of the whiners that will materialize now. |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:27 PM (#1722145) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: number 6 At this point, and after what has been going on in the last while .. I could live with any rule initiated by the elders at Cat Central. sIx |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:32 PM (#1722150) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: GUEST so many ass lickers. what joe wants is his own little ego trip of a moderated forum HE controls. guests have never proven a problem. |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:33 PM (#1722154) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Wesley S "guests have never proven a problem. " Never ? Never ?? |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:34 PM (#1722157) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: GUEST no never. show me one incidence. yes there has been fueled threads but nothing unhealthy. |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:36 PM (#1722163) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Bill D LORDY! How long have you been here? Anonymous postings have been MAJOR sources of problems for 6-7 years or more! |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:42 PM (#1722171) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: katlaughing There have been over 55,000 posts by "GUEST" - far more than any member. |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:44 PM (#1722175) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: John MacKenzie Guest posts should be subject to a triage system, whereby they are held in abeyance until such times as a moderator checks them over, after which they may be posted if suitable. Either that or they may only post on one thread, which shall be edited regularly. Giok |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:45 PM (#1722177) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: GUEST members often post as guests |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:47 PM (#1722180) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: MBSLynne While I've often been upset, irritated, or infuriated by posts from Guests who hide behind anonymity in order to say unpleasant things or stir trouble, I've always liked the very free and open policy of Mudcat. I was also one of the many who came in here as a guest to start with, to see what it was all about. I think I made a number of postings as "Guest" before I decided it was good and registered as a member. It would be a shame to lose that. There's too much 'policeing' of life in general, it would be a pity to find it on Mudcat as well. Love Lynne |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:50 PM (#1722184) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Wesley S Lynne - Just curious - were your guest postings in the music section or down here in BS ? |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:54 PM (#1722188) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Bill D "members often post as guests" some do...mostly it is for humor, or to tease or to ask a delicate question. The few who abuse this ability are often quite a problem. I gather the main moderators can usually sort out which is which, and deal with them when necessary....but it is VERY time-intensive work for unpaid staff. It would sure make it easier if there were SOME sort of filtering process and/or waiting period or limitation of type of post. |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:55 PM (#1722189) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Gedpipes Steady on people. What exactly is a problem Bill D? a problem for who? Sometimes guests are malicious and nasty other times they can be fun. rise above it. Recognise that this forum is like any other. It attracts all kinds of people - some you like some you don't and others you tolerate. You don't have to read it all and above all you don't have to believe everything you read. Love Lynne is right on this one Blue skies Ged |
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19 Apr 06 - 04:56 PM (#1722192) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Sorcha Double bubble toil and trouble.... |
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19 Apr 06 - 05:04 PM (#1722200) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: The Shambles We ALL deserve to know who the attackers are, in the BS or Music section. Why is it that we don't deserve to know who our anonymous judges are? |
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19 Apr 06 - 05:07 PM (#1722201) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Sorcha Rather good point, Sham. |
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19 Apr 06 - 05:09 PM (#1722203) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: John MacKenzie It's done to stop vendettas being started by disgruntled members. Giok |
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19 Apr 06 - 05:12 PM (#1722205) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Alba ...or vendettas started by Members posting as Guests? |
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19 Apr 06 - 05:22 PM (#1722218) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Peace I don't see why anyone would object. If the post is music-related/thread-related or cogent or helpful, well and good. If not, it doesn't get posted. Who could complain about that? |
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19 Apr 06 - 05:23 PM (#1722219) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: The Shambles Perhaps taking this one step at a time would be better. The only reason for this additional proposal to further restrict or 'review' all Guest postings on the music forum (where there does not seem to be any problem requiring any change) - is the Chief of the Mudcat editing Team's proposal to restrict the BS section to members only. As he now admits the failure of the current measures to impose the peace that he requires. This is a classic case of 'putting the cart before the horse'. The BS section now acts as a safety valve for the music section. Leave it alone to operate as this and no changes need to be imposed on the music section. Neither section needs to be fixed as neither are in fact broken. They are functioning as well as they ever could be. Those behind these proposals and those who support a private members club are welcome to go away and form one. They are not welcome to try and turn our forum into one - simply because they cannot accept that no one has any control over what anyone else chooses to post. |
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19 Apr 06 - 05:25 PM (#1722225) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: GUEST Or members vendettas posting as guests. Oh the many variations of life. |
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19 Apr 06 - 05:44 PM (#1722237) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Beer Great news. Finally management is going to make a decision. I must say that the past 3 to 4 weeks it was getting pretty bad. Good luck Beer |
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19 Apr 06 - 06:00 PM (#1722255) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: katlaughing This is a classic case of 'putting the cart before the horse'. The title of this thread is putting the cart before the horse. Until MAX says it is happening, it AIN'T happening, no matter how many times you claim it is, Shambles. |
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19 Apr 06 - 06:00 PM (#1722256) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Clinton Hammond "it seems to me that it's time for members-only posting to BS, with membership paswords sent only to those with valid e-mail addresses, and for full review of Guest posts to the music section before they are released to public view." Hear FKN Hear!!!!! Only lets not have it just apply to the BS section.... Members only across the board.... and one MUST have a valid ISP supplied email address in order to get a membership. Sign me up to help read the guests posts to the music section |
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19 Apr 06 - 07:03 PM (#1722326) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Bill D "What exactly is a problem Bill D? a problem for who?" a problem for those who are insulted, stalked and mocked by anonymous 'someones' whether sneaky members or trolls who only come here BECAUSE they can get by with not using a name. and a problem for management who would rather that stuff like that not happen, and who hate to spend so much time dealing with it. It is NOT nice to be obnoxious...RT or VT...but it especially rude to hide behind a screen to do it. And don't give me that BS about "you don't have to read it"...the real point is, "you don't have to write it...and if you do, on a privately run site, management reserves the right to edit or delete stuff deemed objectionable....even if their definition of objectionable is narrower than yours!" That is how it works...and the large majority of members have no problem with that. |
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19 Apr 06 - 07:41 PM (#1722344) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: bobad To quote CH "Hear FKN Hear!!!!" |
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19 Apr 06 - 07:43 PM (#1722347) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Peace I don't wish to be pedantic, but that isn't a direct quotation. Clinton used five exclamation marks. |
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19 Apr 06 - 07:47 PM (#1722350) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: bobad Goddamn teacher!!!!! |
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19 Apr 06 - 07:51 PM (#1722354) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Peace LOLOL |
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19 Apr 06 - 08:23 PM (#1722360) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: GUEST,Guest Bill D I am anonymous because I got tired of being insulted,mocked, bullied, and humiliated by members. I'd had enough. If I have to register I'll do it with a new name and a new identity. No more for me. Guest |
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19 Apr 06 - 08:40 PM (#1722370) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Ebbie Guest/Guest, it has happened in the past that a member who was tired of the abusive entity s/he had created for her/himself asked for and got a new identity and is now a much more comfortable creature. There's no reason why someoe on the receiving end couldn't do the same thing. But remember - as our illustrious leader said, "fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." In other words if you are AGAIN insulted, mocked, bullied and humiliated, have a talk with the critter in the mirror. I think that's what he meant. |
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19 Apr 06 - 09:24 PM (#1722396) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: number 6 Actually I don't think things will ever change here .... unless of course the Big Cheese at Mudcat Central decides to sell out the Cat lock stock and barrel to the Chinese ... and then you bet my bippy things will change .... certainly no more whining, political bashing rhetoric and whatnot. This is a very strong possibility .. as I heard that President Hu (as in who)was seen going into the Cat Central this morning for some donuts, coffee and most importantly, business negotiations. sIx |
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19 Apr 06 - 10:02 PM (#1722414) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Bill D " If I have to register I'll do it with a new name and a new identity" I am very sorry to hear that ANYONE had those problems...if you are sure you did not deserve it, I am sorrier still. It the meantime, pick a temporary 'handle' so we might be able to discuss it with YOU, and not lump you in with 27 other nameless guests. It is quite easy to change your name here, and once done, you probably have a better idea now how to avoid such problems. I hope you will make the effort-- there are many, many members who have never had any real problems....naturally, if you choose controversial issues and take extreme positions, you attract responses. |
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19 Apr 06 - 11:42 PM (#1722483) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: number 6 When the business deal goes down (selling the Mudcat out to the Chinese) ... I guess we'll all have to have Chinese Handles. Anyone know what number 6 is in Chinese? Also, what is the Chinese equivalent to Guest ?? sIx |
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19 Apr 06 - 11:44 PM (#1722485) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: M.Ted I don't see the difference between being insulted, stalked, and viciously attacked by an anonymous GUEST, and being insulted, stalked, and viciously attacked by a person who has registered a made up name. Can someone explain it for me? |
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19 Apr 06 - 11:48 PM (#1722492) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Beer To Change the system you first have to be in it. I am quoting someone but don't have any idea who. A lot of truth to it however. Beer |
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20 Apr 06 - 01:33 AM (#1722509) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: Manitas_at_home "Those behind these proposals and those who support a private members club are welcome to go away and form one. They are not welcome to try and turn our forum into one - simply because they cannot accept that no one has any control over what anyone else chooses to post." Arse-about-face as usual. It is ALREADY a private club, but where guests are tolerated. It is NOT "our" forum - it's Max's. Someone ALREADY has control over what we choose to post, and exercises that control pretty lightly. If YOU cannot accept THAT then maybe YOU should go away and form your own forum |
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20 Apr 06 - 02:00 AM (#1722519) Subject: RE: Music posts by Guests to be reviewed. From: The Shambles Arse-about-face as usual. It is ALREADY a private club, but where guests are tolerated. Where has Max stated anything like this? The public are still invited to contribute are they not? It is NOT "our" forum - it's Max's. Joe Offer BS: Censorship on Mudcat (1009* d) RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat 31 Mar 05 Well, I have to agree with Shambles that Max seems to convey the idea that this is "our" forum. However, it also seems quite clear that very few of us want "our" forum to be taken over by those who would wish to make it a place of combat and chaos. And no I (and others) do not what to see it taken over by a few posters who may not want this - but by there actions have succeeded in doing just that. Someone ALREADY has control over what we choose to post, and exercises that control pretty lightly. If YOU cannot accept THAT then maybe YOU should go away and form your own forum. When those whose best efforts - by their own admission have failed to impose their required peace - it is they who should be forming their own private club and leaving our forum to all those who Max opened it for and who do need to be constantly changing it to better suit our requirements. Changes which now involve a certain few posters minding everyone elses's business and encouraging others to do the same by setting this example.
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