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23 Apr 06 - 01:31 PM (#1725409) Subject: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: Big Mick In the folk music of Ireland, as well as many other areas, it is not unusual to hear references to Queen Bess. HBO, in conjunction with BBC, is currently showing "Elizabeth I" and I am enjoying it immensely. Helen Mirren plays the title role, with Jeremy Irons as Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester. It is a two part movie, and I have seen the first part which takes us through the death of Mary of Scotland, and the death of Leicester. Mirren, it appears to me, is giving a performance worthy of great acclaim. I am extremely interested in how my Irish and British friends who have seen this feel about it. All the best, Mick |
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23 Apr 06 - 02:10 PM (#1725429) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: Jim McLean Mick, I'd prefer it if it was listed as Elizabeth I of England. |
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23 Apr 06 - 02:24 PM (#1725447) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: Nigel Parsons Jim McLean: Why "Elizabeth I of England"? The programme title makes no attempt to state where she's queen of. If you wish to be picky, surely the title should be "Queen Elizabeth" as the clarifier "the first" only tends to be added once there is a later sovereign of the same name. It is even debatable whether the current monarch should be styled Queen Elizabeth the second (first of Scotland) as the late Queen Mother was also officially:Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother Here CHEERS Nigel |
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23 Apr 06 - 02:49 PM (#1725467) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: Don Firth I hope this makes it to American television (i.e., Masterpiece Theatre on PBS). I recall about three decades ago watching two great series': "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" with Keith Michel and a terrific line-up of other actors, followed by "Elizabeth R." starring Glenda Jackson as Elizabeth and Robert Hardy as Robert Dudley, with some of the same actors in the previous series playing the same people. Each series was divided into six episodes of about two hours each. That really got me hooked on the Masterpiece Theatre offerings. After that, I'd have a hard time envisioning anyone but Glenda Jackson as Elizabeth, but I'm sure Helen Mirren is more than up to the job. I shall keep my eyes on future PBS listings, and like the cat that ate the cheese and breathed into the mouse-hole, I shall wait with baited breath. . . . Don Firth |
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23 Apr 06 - 03:08 PM (#1725478) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: GUEST,harryrages ELizabeth 1 is an more than interesting character to portray because she can be lit in so many ways according which aspect of her persona - regal or private - is chosen for illumination. Glenda did it one way and Helen is doing it another. Both equally well. Whichever you go for the complexities, political power struggles and intrigues of Elizabethan Court life make for fascinating stuff. |
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23 Apr 06 - 03:18 PM (#1725486) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: Don Firth Long ago I got fascinated by the antics of the Borgia family in Renaissance Italy and read up on them a lot. I was under the impression that English politics was pretty bland, but it turns out that the English were no slouches in the skullduggery department. Interesting period of history. "Intriquing," I guess one could say. Certain parallels today. . . . Don Firth |
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23 Apr 06 - 04:14 PM (#1725512) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: Jim McLean Nigel, the monarchy has always taken English numeracy since the Union of The Crowns, how else can you explain William the 3rd, William the 4th, Edward the 7th and Edward the 8th, not to mention the present Queen Elizabeth 2nd. One always talks of James (whatever) of Scotland but never Henry (whatever), Richard (whatever) or Elizabeth of England, the assuption being that the words 'of England' is understood. This causes the confusion that England = Britain and ultimately deprives the English of the 'Englishness' that most English, rightly so in my opinion, deserve. |
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23 Apr 06 - 04:23 PM (#1725517) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: Big Mick Jim, I used this title because that is how the series (made in concert with BBC4) is titled. It is the specific series that I am interested in. Being Irish Catholic, and a student of the history of the land of my grandparents, I am obviously interested in this character. I am anxious to see if her legendary meeting with Grace O'Malley will be included in the production. I am looking for comments about the historical accuracy, the costuming, and the portrayals. I am curious in hearing from Irish and British 'catters who have seen it. I would like very much their take on it. I must say that I am enjoying it, and find the characters fascinating. All the best, Mick |
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23 Apr 06 - 06:01 PM (#1725593) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: Liz the Squeak It was on UK TV last year... I only managed to see snippets of it but thought the costume was pretty good - it's one of those periods where there are many accounts of court dress (although they didn't get the Tudor colours right) and the portraits of the time are very detailed. The characterisations were (as far as I remember) very good and all were believable as people. In folk song she would have been known as Bess or Elizabeth of England, because until 1952, she was the only Elizabeth who was monarch in her own right. Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons became Queen Elizabeth because she was married to the King. Therefore, when he died, his daughter became the monarch and not his wife. There may have been other queens called Elizabeth, but only Elizabeth Tudor, daughter of Henry VIII was an annointed Queen. Todays' useless information. The Queen Mother's official title should have been 'Dowager Queen' but she hated the term so much that 'Queen Mother' was invented just for her. LTS |
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24 Apr 06 - 12:46 AM (#1725782) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: Desert Dancer Don - Unfortunately, Big Mick (who's on this side of the pond) said he saw it on HBO, so we PBS-watchers are out of luck. We got The Virgin Queen last fall, instead. Too bad, I would have liked to see Helen Mirren's take on the role. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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24 Apr 06 - 12:38 PM (#1726060) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: GUEST,Mrr It's coming to PBS in the States, and looks excellent. I love Helen Mirren - even though I can't remember what I loved her in! |
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24 Apr 06 - 12:52 PM (#1726084) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: MMario Nigel - normally you don't number Queens unless they are Queen Regnant; there have been a lot of Queen elizabeths, and a lot of Queen Mary's -and a lot og Queen Anne's but the only ones with numbers are those who reigned. You don't see any numbered Catherines, do you? |
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24 Apr 06 - 04:53 PM (#1726297) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: Jim McLean MmMrio is correct, and, according to your link, Nigel, if higher numbers were to be the norm why James the 1st and James the 2nd and not James the 6th and James the 7th? |
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24 Apr 06 - 06:28 PM (#1726386) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: Tootler Ah, but if you go to Scotland reference to James 6th and James 7th is the norm. James 1st and 2nd of Scotland reigned about 100 years earlier. FWIW My Aberdonian Grandmother always used to refer to "James 6th and 1st" |
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24 Apr 06 - 09:24 PM (#1726536) Subject: RE: Folklore: Elizabeth I - the movie From: DannyC This movie aired on HBO late on this Saturday night past. I enjoyed it immensely - staying up way too late. The execution scene (of E's cousin, Mary - lovely family, heh?) matches closely with John Guy's account of same in his "The True Life of Mary Stuart Queen of Scots", so I gathered we were getting good history from the production. I wonder if the Tyrone O'Neill's clever tactics will be properly credited for the demise of young Devereux in Part 2 of the production. Reckon I oughter tune in to find out. ASIDE: By chance, last Thursday, I had asked a Morgan County (Kentucky) native by the name o' Rex Cecil (there's a good few Cecils in the hollars of Morgan and Wolfe) if he claimed any ancestral connection with E's Baron Burghley. Says Rex, "Ya mean my 16th great-grandpappy Billy Cecil?" I intend to seek/demand some documentation from Rex when I see him again. It leads me to a question (I'll be stunned if I receive an answer): The cash crop that had sustained family farms here for generations is "burley" tobacco. Would anyone know if Kentucky's burley got its name from an English Burghley? Cheers, Danneeo |