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10 May 06 - 08:24 PM (#1737602) Subject: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk Who else? Isn't it obvious? William Shakespeare = William Shatner! Shakespeare wrote the greatest stage dramas in history. Shatner re-enacted them on stage and onscreen and in audio recordings for the edification of all humanity. Shatner IS Shakespeare, here among us in modern times, going boldly where none else could even dream of going! The Bard walks among us! I don't know about you, but it just gave me shivers when the realization hit me earlier today. I intend to write a bestselling book about it. I can see the royalties and film rights pouring in already. This will be the crowning accomplishment of my life!!! |
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10 May 06 - 08:33 PM (#1737609) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Ebbie Hmmmmm. Go ahead. Make your pile. Just keep the Shatner away- or he'll disillusion everyone. Except you. :) |
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10 May 06 - 08:35 PM (#1737611) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Peace Pssssssssst--pass it over here . . . . |
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10 May 06 - 08:38 PM (#1737614) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: GUEST,Wesley S Could one of the clones please relabel this thread as a Shatner thread ? So others don't wander into it by mistake like I did ? If we can add Shambles name to a thread to "warn" folks I would think my request would be possible also. Thanks. 50 plus Shatner threads aren't enough - we need more ? Oh the shame of it all !!!! |
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10 May 06 - 08:44 PM (#1737616) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk You misunderstand, Wesley. That is the whole point. The Shatman has such a profound effect on most people that it has become an unwritten rule around here not to name him in thread titles at all. This is NOT an official Shatner thread. It's a Shakespeare thread. Got that? Good. Don't screw things up. Believe me, the "warning" you suggest would most likely have exactly the opposite effect to what you desire...and not because of me, either. More than that I will not say. I've said too much already. |
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10 May 06 - 08:51 PM (#1737624) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Peace You currish dread-bolted fustiliarian. Cease this foolish prattle. |
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10 May 06 - 08:52 PM (#1737626) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk You gore-bellied, yeasty, chuckle-headed, guttersnipe. Avaunt! |
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10 May 06 - 08:55 PM (#1737629) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Peace You maggot-infested seat-sniffing hotel for fleas: What the f##k does Avaunt mean? Is it a good thing? |
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10 May 06 - 09:02 PM (#1737633) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk It's an Olde English medieval expression, which loosely translates to: "f*ck off!" or "get lost!" |
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10 May 06 - 09:03 PM (#1737634) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: The Fooles Troupe Little Hawk! Come over here and look at this - no, don't take any notice of the axe in my hand... |
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10 May 06 - 09:05 PM (#1737635) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Ebbie I thought it meant "Avast!" Or is it more closely related to 'vaunted'? |
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10 May 06 - 09:08 PM (#1737638) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Peace OK, thanks. Hey, LH, avaunt you. too! |
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10 May 06 - 09:10 PM (#1737642) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk I don't think so, Ebbie, but we should probably ask William Shatner for the final authoritative opinion about this. The term "avaunt!" is usually found in combination with "wretch", but not always...as in..."Avaunt, wretch!" cried Hamlet to Polonius. "You try my patience. You vex me most grievously, and I fain would rest for the nonce. Mine ears have heard enough of thy vain pratlings. Depart, lest I run thee through with this bare bodkin!" |
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10 May 06 - 09:24 PM (#1737655) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: BaldEagle2 er .... cutting through all this wonderful banter, and getting down to the nitty-gritty, don't you think that Bill Shatner should change his name by deed-poll to "Edward De Verener" or something similar? (exuant) |
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10 May 06 - 09:27 PM (#1737657) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk You cannot improve on what is already perfect. I do agree, though, that Edward De Verener is pretty classy sounding. It would be good for a singer who looks like the young Neil Diamond and causes legions of housewives to swoon in front of their stereo speakers. |
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10 May 06 - 09:34 PM (#1737662) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Peace Swoon now. FER GOD'S SAKE SPEAK ENGLISH? What the avaunt is SWOON? "Wat down upon the Swoony River"? "Swoon Lake"? Can't keep up with ya . . . . |
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10 May 06 - 09:55 PM (#1737675) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: jacqui.c Swoon is what all those little starlets did when Billy Boy came onto them in his role as Kirk. I think they were just trying to avoid eye contact so's not to giggle when he tried to act all seductive. |
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10 May 06 - 10:23 PM (#1737698) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: bobad Is avaunt related to avail? |
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10 May 06 - 10:39 PM (#1737708) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Peace Second cousins by marriage. |
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10 May 06 - 10:49 PM (#1737715) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Amos Swoon -- to keel over in a faint. Avaunt means "hence", or "away (from here)". It is derived from the same roots as the French avant, meaning before, or on ahead of. It is is used as a command in several Shakespearean scenes, similar in sentiment to "Get thee hence!" , often said to witches. In spirit it is not unlike the expression "Get thee behind me, Satan!", except in the other direction. Avaunt is not related to avail, which implies function rather than distance. A bodkin is a type of pointed arrowhead, an advance on the broad arrow, and is also a tool for punching holes in leather, a Renaissance hair-pin, and a slender-bladed dagger. To bare one's bodkin is, presumably, to unsheathe a dangerous blade. Have at thee, varlet. A |
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10 May 06 - 10:56 PM (#1737726) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Peace Jaysus, another one. Varlets now? AND bodkins. Swoon ye bodkins before these avaunting varlets. HEY, I'm gettin' the hang of this stuff. |
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11 May 06 - 01:56 AM (#1737782) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Ebbie Good gracious. As anyone knows, a bodkin is what gets covered with a lady's bodice. I don't want to linger on its bareness. Old Shakespeare sometimes gets bawdy. (Bawdy = a refined term for 'body'.) |
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11 May 06 - 02:49 AM (#1737796) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Sooz Odds bodkins! (God's body) |
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11 May 06 - 04:12 AM (#1737822) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Big Al Whittle Little hawk - you're a genius. I never spotted that The faults are in ourselves Horatius, not in our stardates..... Call to me my sad Captain's Log... Full fathom five, thy father lies Warp factor Ten, his name was Ben |
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11 May 06 - 06:12 AM (#1737858) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: autolycus You don't know what 'swoon' means? (Nearly soons) Colloquially, it means to be overwhelmed with feeling at the music, beauty, or codpiece of desirable men like Engelbert Sinatra. "Men at some time are masters of their fates; "The fault, dear Brutus,is not in our stars, "Butin ourselves." (Julius Caesar, Act 1.) As an astrologer, I agree, forsooth, wherewithall I shall further desist, innit.(?) Ivor |
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11 May 06 - 06:46 AM (#1737874) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Grab And of course, hanging around with Vulcans and Ferengi is clearly the inspiration for "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears"... |
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11 May 06 - 07:04 AM (#1737881) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: beardedbruce LH, "This will be the crowning accomplishment of my life!!! " I am SO sorry! |
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11 May 06 - 07:16 AM (#1737887) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: The Fooles Troupe A bare bodkin is a little bare body... and barely makes for a pun ... |
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11 May 06 - 07:30 AM (#1737895) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Big Al Whittle to beam me aboard, or not to beam me aboard, that is the question Time and Ahoura run through the roughest day of his 'Bones' are coral made maid in all thy orisons, keep thy phasers on stun |
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11 May 06 - 10:27 AM (#1737999) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Peace I read that as "maid in all thy onions". |
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11 May 06 - 10:48 AM (#1738013) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Ebbie Peace, I read yours as "mad in all thy onions." |
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11 May 06 - 11:21 AM (#1738038) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Amos bod·kin (bdkn) n. 1. A small, sharply pointed instrument for making holes in fabric or leather. 2. A blunt needle for pulling tape or ribbon through a series of loops or a hem. 3. A long hairpin, usually with an ornamental head. 4. Printing An awl or pick for extracting letters from set type. 5. A dagger or stiletto. I know of no reference that bodkin means "body" in any context. If anyone else knows any references for such use in fact I'd be interested. I thinkk it is a misunderstanding of a term largely obsolete. A |
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11 May 06 - 12:05 PM (#1738086) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Amos The notion that an overweight pretentious and less-than skilled actress would be the reincarnation of a man whose powers STILL resonate through the world after 300 years is preposterous, unless it is offered as a case study for students of karmic degeneration. A |
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11 May 06 - 12:30 PM (#1738109) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Desdemona LH--It's at least as good a theory as those wankers who keep trying to turn my beloved Will into the Earl of Oxford...or Francis Bacon...or (the dead in 1593) Christopher Marlowe! 'Stratfordianly', ~D |
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11 May 06 - 02:19 PM (#1738211) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk Your mental powers must be seriously on the wane for you to label William Shatner as an "actress", Amos. LOL! Get treatment before it's too late! Bearded Bruce - Thanks for the sympathy. ;-D I really think it's cool how this thread has veered into a discussion of medieval expressions and idioms... |
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11 May 06 - 02:24 PM (#1738216) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Big Al Whittle don't mention the Scotty play...... |
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11 May 06 - 02:24 PM (#1738217) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: beardedbruce LH, You are welcome... We had SUCH high hopes for you, when you grow up! (aside) W. S(hatner) HAS promised NOT to post sonnets here on Mudcat, REMEMBER? |
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11 May 06 - 02:51 PM (#1738240) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk When I "grow up"... You mean next year? Or in a decade? Or...? |
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11 May 06 - 03:05 PM (#1738254) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Amos Au contraire, mon vieux Hack -- I am offering highly discriminating insight into the root nature of your friend's career problems. Inside every second-rate actor, there's a second-rate actress kvetching. A |
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11 May 06 - 03:35 PM (#1738295) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Peace So we have gone from early modern English to Yiddish in ten posts. Oy. |
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11 May 06 - 03:38 PM (#1738300) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Big Al Whittle then there was the Dark Lady of the Sonnets....no wonder Bill got obsessed with her spending all that time on the bridge, with her checking his co-ordinates. really shakespeare's entire career was just a verbose preparation for the first series if StarTrek. Bill Shakespeare - that man could bore the arse of a rhinceros. And the plots in Star Trek are more realistic Whereas William Shatner, his All Bran adverts have brought relief to a nation |
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11 May 06 - 03:45 PM (#1738305) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk "Career problems"??? You're rambling, Amos. Shatner has gone on from triumph to triumph, has succeeded in everything he turned his hand to. What, I ask you, what career problems? Your aspersions on Shatner's masculinity are ludicrous! The man simply radiates testosterone from every pore. And as weelittledrummer has so wisely noted, he has brought relief to a nation. ;-P |
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11 May 06 - 03:47 PM (#1738308) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Bill D Everyone KNOWS there's no such thing as 'reincarnation'! Why, only a superstitious, weak-minded.... ...hold on, there someone at my door...be back in a min |
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11 May 06 - 03:58 PM (#1738326) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Kaleea How can it be? Madamme Lollapahloosah (sees all, blabs all!) looked into her crystal ball & clearly said that Shakespeare reincarnated as some feller called Bobby Dylan who used to do advertisements for Brillo Pads. |
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11 May 06 - 04:16 PM (#1738336) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Ebbie See, my information has it that 'bodkin' is short for 'body' as 'boykin' is the diminutive for a lad. See? |
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11 May 06 - 05:09 PM (#1738366) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk This isn't the first time the Dylan/Shatner/Shakespeare connection has come up, Kaleea. Perhaps the same great parent soul has simultaneously incarnated as both Dylan AND Shatner. This could explain why they were unable to agree on who would get first billing on the planned collaboration album from the historic Dylan/Shatner secret sessions in '66! It was a clash of exactly equal egos, and neither would give way. It's a great pity, because THAT album would have made musical history and would have turned our entire western culture on its head. The reverberations would still be echoing in popular culture today, had it ever been released. People have died trying to get hold of the master tapes. They're locked away somewhere in the vaults of Columbia Records....or they may have been destroyed. No one knows for sure...except maybe Bob, and he ain't tellin'. |
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11 May 06 - 05:16 PM (#1738368) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Amos Madame, the etymology you recite is simply mistaken! As is Little Hawks sunny-side-up, easy-side-over attitude toward the sad and mediocre career of what's his name, who used to act in science-fiction serials on television. Sigh. A |
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11 May 06 - 05:35 PM (#1738388) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: autolycus Isn't it a might unfair on Shakespeare ("Yes!) to rework his words into Shatnerspeak and then claim that Shatner IS Shakespeare's reincarnation. So the formula is:- Rework Shake's words into _________speak, then say that obviously _________ is Shakespeare's reincarnation. So the game is to redo some of the Bard's quotes into the language of someone unlikely, say, Chirac, Beckham, Emo philips,.......... Ivor |
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11 May 06 - 05:39 PM (#1738393) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk Well, he strikes me as a more likely candidate than Lenny Bruce. |
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11 May 06 - 05:50 PM (#1738401) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: freda underhill or Tom Cruise.. |
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11 May 06 - 06:28 PM (#1738429) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk Heh! Much more likely than him. Shatner is dramatic. He acting style is "large". He waxes rhetorical and theatrical at the drop of a hat. He IS Will Shakespeare! |
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11 May 06 - 06:34 PM (#1738433) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Big Al Whittle Oh come on........ Both called William Sha----- both thespians er....that's it. |
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11 May 06 - 06:38 PM (#1738435) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Peace "both thespians" THAT is something they don't teach ya in school . . . . |
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11 May 06 - 07:14 PM (#1738459) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: jacqui.c Amos - don't you mean 'who used to APPEAR' in science-fiction serials'. I wouldn't have called it acting! |
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11 May 06 - 07:32 PM (#1738473) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk Some merely act...some live the part they play. |
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11 May 06 - 07:38 PM (#1738476) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Amos Right. Professionals leave their roles behind them; wannabes insist on wearing their costumes to Denny's so everyone will know they are "actors" in a REAL production.... Sigh. LH, give over. You are become Mugwump in the eyes of the Mudcat. A |
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11 May 06 - 07:46 PM (#1738484) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Peace A keepsake we shall ALL remember . . . . |
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11 May 06 - 07:46 PM (#1738485) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk Could you translate that term into normal English, Amos? |
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11 May 06 - 08:12 PM (#1738504) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Ebbie A feathered critter with his mug on one side and his rump on the other side of the fence. |
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11 May 06 - 11:24 PM (#1738630) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: The Fooles Troupe "Bodkin" was also slang for a small part of a man's body... |
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11 May 06 - 11:55 PM (#1738645) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk Oh, a fence-sitter, eh? Where have I heard that before? ;-) |
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12 May 06 - 12:26 AM (#1738668) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Amos Robin: I can imagine it, but can you find such a reference? A |
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12 May 06 - 07:41 AM (#1738867) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: The Fooles Troupe Heard it ages ago, no hope of finding a refernce currently - will probably stumble on it while looking for something else - as usual. Then I can post it here, if I can remember where it is that I have to post the fact that I finally found it.... "Life gets tedius, don' it?" Wait on, it was in a discussion about 'puns (including sexual references) in Shalespeare' (hence the ''bodkin'...) ... I think, now was it in text, on the net, on radio, on a TV prog?... (sigh - the hassles of a 'relationist memory') |
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12 May 06 - 11:52 AM (#1739073) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Tannywheeler I think I want to try some of what LH drinks. Anyone know? If it's what he smokes, I'm out of luck. Tw |
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12 May 06 - 01:30 PM (#1739155) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk Yeah, you would be out of luck, cos I don't smoke anthing at all. Here's what I drink, though: water, fresh-squeezed orange juice, carrot juice, some other fruit juices on occasion, very occasional green tea. Knock yourself out! ;-D |
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12 May 06 - 01:54 PM (#1739185) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Amos Erroneous assumption: Little Hawk's capacity for illusion is not induced by ingestion; it is autodidactic, not to say auto-erotic and solipsistic! A |
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12 May 06 - 02:24 PM (#1739211) Subject: RE: BS: Shakespeare reincarnated as.... From: Little Hawk Three very neat words. Amos is a living, breathing thesaurus...the last of a dying breed. |
