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30 May 06 - 09:17 AM (#1749994) Subject: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: John MacKenzie Today the European Court declared that the suppling of passenger details, including credit card details, meal choice, and any one of 34 other pieces of info that the US immigration requires, is an invasion of our rights. They also say that they are not happy with the security of the details supplied. These details are at present required to be supplied within 15 minutes of an aircraft taking off bound for the US. Airlines who refuse to supply this info, face fines of something like �2000 per passenger, and withdrawal of landing rights for their aircraft. Not a lot of choice there is there? It is required that these conditions be removed by September this year, and I wonder what will happen next. I can't see all flights to the US ceasing, and I'm sure that retaliation would be swift if the US did this. No US flights to the EEC for instance. So do we fly to Canada and go by ground transportation into the US, or do we fly to Mexico and walk over like so many others are doing? Giok Details here |
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30 May 06 - 09:47 AM (#1750012) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: DMcG As I read it, credit card details etc are currently being supplied but meal details are not. See here. It's a fascinating distinction, and I can see much debate and legal argument about why one type of data is appropriate to collect but not the other. |
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30 May 06 - 09:56 AM (#1750022) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: artbrooks Now, I can see the desire to have identifying information to run across a database of known terrorists, criminals and other miscreants (although there seems to be an embarassing number of misidentifications), but the US government doesn't take well enough care of the information it has in its possession to get credit card details. And it needs them why? |
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30 May 06 - 09:58 AM (#1750024) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: Clinton Hammond So don't go to the US..... easy as that.... |
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30 May 06 - 10:01 AM (#1750025) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: Greg F. Because the U.S. of A. is the international 500 pound gorilla and can get away with it. What other reason do they need? You expect a rational explanation? From the BuShites? Please. |
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30 May 06 - 10:05 AM (#1750027) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: DMcG So don't go to the US..... easy as that.... Clinton - whether we go to the US or not is an individual decision. Whether the European Court prohibits data being passed to the US which could affect whether flights happen at all (or the cost of those flights if they do) is at the supra-national level and the decisions of individual passengers do not come into it. But you knew that. |
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30 May 06 - 10:09 AM (#1750030) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: Clinton Hammond Come to Canada... We're bigger, and we're on top.... If this was prison, the US would be our punk...... Our air and water smell/taste better, and we've got better looking women too.... Not to mention the beer! AND the BACON! |
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30 May 06 - 10:12 AM (#1750032) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: DMcG Well, I'd certainly always vote for Canadian bacon over American! (why do they do that to it?) :-) |
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30 May 06 - 10:15 AM (#1750035) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: Clinton Hammond They take their crappy-beer frustrations out on their bacon..... Near as I can figure..... :-) |
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30 May 06 - 10:28 AM (#1750042) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: pdq What Canada needs is a hefty hunk of 'global warming". Once the all melts, all that will be left is an area the size of Tasmania covered by million of people singing Leonard Cohen songs and reading from the Communist Manifesto. |
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30 May 06 - 10:35 AM (#1750045) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: DMcG ... with better bacon. |
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30 May 06 - 10:46 AM (#1750056) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: John MacKenzie Watching re-runs of the first series of Star Trek? G ☻ |
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30 May 06 - 02:16 PM (#1750168) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: ard mhacha I have declined to go the US despite my relatives invites, how can any one stand those goons that officate at emigration, it`s been a long time and it will be a hell of a lot longer while that bollocks is President. Go to Canada, you would be taking a wise choice. |
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30 May 06 - 02:25 PM (#1750174) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: John MacKenzie It does make you wonder why they bother when the country is allegedly full of illegal immigrants. If they can't keep them out, what chance other people? G.. |
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30 May 06 - 04:53 PM (#1750242) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: Richard Bridge US immigration are insolent dolts. One of their staff once had occasion to query a detail on an in-flight card I had completed - on my way to an international law conference. "Well, Richard..." he started. Somehow I felt that "That's "Mr Bridge" to you" was not the required response. |
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30 May 06 - 08:33 PM (#1750351) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: The Fooles Troupe "the U.S. of A. is the international 500 pound gorilla and can get away with it." Now when the 10,000 pound gorilla called China gets here... "Everybody gonna jump for Joy!!!" |
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31 May 06 - 12:22 AM (#1750411) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: GUEST,mack/misophist Since no one else has said it yet, Good for the EU! And Clinton isn't really wrong. If you're comming to the US on holiday, go somewhere else. The fewer euros spent over here, the more pressure there is on 'that man'. I won't call him the shrub any more, even poisonous plants can be lovely. |
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31 May 06 - 08:26 AM (#1750569) Subject: RE: BS: EEC Ban US passenger info transfer From: artbrooks Visit Canada instead...I have heard that it often doesn't snow in July or August (rain in coastal BC). |