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03 Jun 06 - 10:18 AM (#1752146) Subject: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST,Dónde está la carne de vaca Hey folks! It's Saturday, the night that's made for dining out. Should we head to McDonald's for a Big Mac or to Burger King for a Whopper? |
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03 Jun 06 - 10:22 AM (#1752149) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: wysiwyg McD for a one-dollar double cheeseburger (plain) if you are merely hungry and cheap; the King for a MEAL (tomato-mayo only plus cheese and extra cheese). ~Susan |
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03 Jun 06 - 10:28 AM (#1752150) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: s6k burger king stick with macDs if you want a quick snack |
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03 Jun 06 - 10:30 AM (#1752152) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond I don't eat any of that shit |
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03 Jun 06 - 10:37 AM (#1752159) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: mack/misophist Neither. I hate agreeing with Clinton. It makes me doubt my ethical compass. |
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03 Jun 06 - 10:58 AM (#1752168) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Rapparee Only if there's absolutely no other choice! Maybe Wendy's..... |
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03 Jun 06 - 11:03 AM (#1752172) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Leadfingers Of the two , I feel Starvation is the better option ! |
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03 Jun 06 - 11:10 AM (#1752176) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: open mike which ever one offers a veggie burger... there used to be a common item available in tennessee near the community called "The Farm" which is a group of vegetarians....who popularized the Farm Burger which was the bun with lettuce, tomato and eveything else except the beef. http://www.thefarm.org/ |
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03 Jun 06 - 11:13 AM (#1752178) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond Watch Supersize Me.... Or Honey We're Killing The Kids.... Or Jamie Oliver's School Dinners.... Or.... Or... Or...... You'd have to be an idiot to eat fast food.... |
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03 Jun 06 - 11:17 AM (#1752181) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Mr Red good job ya don't eat yer werds Clinton.................. (But you is right - just this once) |
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03 Jun 06 - 11:34 AM (#1752190) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Alba Pass! ....on Both:) Alba |
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03 Jun 06 - 12:18 PM (#1752212) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: bobad Didja hear that the Dairy Queen is pregnant? It seems that the Burger King forgot to wrap his whopper. |
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03 Jun 06 - 01:01 PM (#1752230) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: LilyFestre Pick your poison....... McDonalds Nutrition Chart Burger King Nutritional Info For about the same money (maybe a buck or two more), I'd hit Subway...the food is better for you, fresher and won't make you feel like crap a half hour after enjoying your meal. Subway Nutritional Info Michelle |
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03 Jun 06 - 01:11 PM (#1752234) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Joe Offer There's a McDonald's in Ellsworth, Maine, that serves a pretty good lobster roll.... |
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03 Jun 06 - 01:22 PM (#1752240) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "I'd hit Subway...the food is better for you" But let's not try to fool ourselves into thinking that's it's GOOD for us.... |
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03 Jun 06 - 01:24 PM (#1752241) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST I am going with the premise that this thread is in jest - ".......dining out" denotes more than a sandwich, and the stuff from the above mentioned places is.....well, call it a bad tasting 'snack'. Moral compass be damn'd, Clinton is correct! Joe may have found the only McDuck's worth stopping by. |
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03 Jun 06 - 01:25 PM (#1752243) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST,DB The main problem with McDonalds - apart from the ubiquity of its horrid, plasticky outlets, that is, is the BLANDNESS of the food. Quite apart from any concerns about its nutritional value, it tastes, to me, of NOTHING - a mouthful of cotton wool would be tastier! Nevertheless, even if they served the most sublime, gourmet dishes ever, I still wouldn't eat there - I just can't stand the thought of giant, monopolistic mega-corporations taking over the world ... local is best, down with mega-corps!!! |
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03 Jun 06 - 01:33 PM (#1752248) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Just in case anyone is really interested, I've been a hamburger aficionado all my life, and for the most part, the hamburger has fallen on hard times. But—and this is my conclusion after much careful research—between McDonald's and Burger King, it's Burger King by a country mile. Anyone with taste buds should be able to tell the difference easily. [Okay, Zippy, I know what you're going to say, but just stow it for a bit. Read and learn.] I had come to this conclusion a long time back. But about a year ago, I saw a television program, the title of which (if I recall correctly) was "On the Floor." Each episode of this program dealt with sending an upper-level executive of the company of the week to work for a week "on the floor" as a peon in the company. One of the things that was notable about the program was that the exec invariable came back with a notebook full of changes that needed to be made, more often than not improving both working conditions and the product or service. Sort of like a general finding out what's really going on on the front lines. I might point out that these programs were not company "puff jobs." On a few of these programs, a number of incidental things were revealed about the company in question that were not very complimentary. One of these programs dealt with the Burger King chain. The exec wound up working in a Burger King doing various jobs: working in the kitchen, handing trays out the window to passing cars, talking to customers, talking with the other employees—and learning and taking notes. What was particularly interesting to me as an occasional customer was the procedures that they followed to make sure the customer got a decent hamburger. They put a great deal of importance on being able to anticipate the demand at various times during the day, and the goal (rule) was that the order should be handed to the customer within a minute and a half of the order being placed. Burgers were made up in advance, according to the estimate. The patty (a better grade than most fast-food places used) was cooked and placed in a fresh bun, then put into a warming oven. When the order came in, the sandwich (meat and bun only) was removed from the warming oven and the various fixin's were added according to the customer's order, e.g., "Tomato, lettuce, ketchup, no onion, no mayo," or whatever combination the customer wanted, packaged, and delivered—the job took maybe half a minute. The burger was customized according to the customer's wishes, using all fresh ingredients. At McDonald's (and most other fast-food places), I've never been asked how I wanted my burger, they just handed it too me. Now—here's where the BIG difference comes in: the burger (bare meat and bun) sits in the warming oven for a maximum of twelve (12) minutes, and if, in that time, it doesn't go out as an order, it is thrown out! They have determined that any longer than that in the warming oven and the meat tends to get soft, the bun begins to get soggy, and the whole thing loses flavor. It turns into what's sometimes referred to as a "sweatburger." McDonald's in a pinch. But I've been handed many "sweatburgers" out the window of a McDonald's. I'd put Jack-in-the-Box a fairly close second to Burger King. Wendy's . . . isn't bad. I have never got what I would call a gourmet hamburger from Burger King (that, after all, is not what fast-food places are all about), but I've never been handed one that wasn't fresh and tasty. I don't indulge all that often, but when I buy a hamburger, it had better be pretty decent or I won't be back. It may depend a bit on where you live, so your mileage may vary. Don Firth |
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03 Jun 06 - 01:36 PM (#1752252) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond About a year, year and a half ago, my Trollmate and I went through the house and threw out ALL the junk food.... all the chips... all the instant frozen dinner crap.... all the take-out/delivery menues.... all that skite that is poisoning the western world.... With the exception of occasional pizza cravings when I've been boozing for hours, I don't miss it at all.... |
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03 Jun 06 - 01:44 PM (#1752258) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: bobad Good policy CH. Why don't you make your own pizzas? Not difficult and can be much more nutritious. |
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03 Jun 06 - 01:58 PM (#1752270) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond We do.... quite regularily as a mater of fact.... :-) Not only is it more nutritious, it tastes way better too! |
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03 Jun 06 - 02:00 PM (#1752273) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST If you're well off enough to have the choice, buy some fruit instead. |
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03 Jun 06 - 02:54 PM (#1752292) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Big Al Whittle none of them do anthing a sgood as sainburys aberbeen angus one - and really theres no reason why not. Of course burgers are better if you make them yourself. |
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03 Jun 06 - 03:58 PM (#1752326) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Stilly River Sage Don, Have you eaten a hamburger at Zeke's up in Startup (maybe Goldbar)? The one in the railroad caboose? I think Bob Nelson recently confirmed that it is still there. I used to stop there on my way back from climbs in the Stevens Pass area back in the 70s and 80s. Freshly made, big hand-shaped patties of real meat, wonderful real food. They also made their milkshakes with real fruit. You'd have to stop sucking on a strawberry shake to pull the straw out and eat the berry chunk off the end before drinking more through the straw. SRS |
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03 Jun 06 - 04:21 PM (#1752338) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Midchuck I'm sorry. I like Burger King Whoppers. I know I'm not supposed to. But I've suffered all my life from a reluctance to do what I was supposed to, merely because I was supposed to. I'm Sorry. I'm Really, Really Sorry. But I like them. Peter |
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03 Jun 06 - 04:36 PM (#1752344) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth No, Maggie, I can't say that I've ever been to Zeke's, although I've definitely heard of the place. Gotta go sometime. One of my favorite places in Seattle was a drive-in, but not part of a chain: Green Lake Jake's, right across from the lake, up by where East Green Lake Way branches off and heads northwest to intersect with Aurora Ave. Oversized bun, oversized patty, and they'd fix it any way you wanted it. Cheese, bacon, tomato, onion (sliced or diced), lettuce, pickle, miscellaneous condiments. You could stack up a regular "Dagwood." Great fries, too. A whole potato's worth, sliced thick, not skinny like McDonald's fries. Great shakes, too. Not extruded out of a machine. They used real milk, ice cream, syrup or whatever, and mixed it in one of those big cans they'd stick on the mixing machine, then, if you were going to have it there, they'd serve it in a big glass, or if you were taking it out, in a big, fairly solid paper cup. Many a summer afternoon or early evening, Barbara and I would descend on the place, then take our booty down to the lake shore. Alas, Green Lake Jake's is no more. It was demolished some years back and an office building now resides on the site. (Sigh) Folks who are recommending alternatives like Subway (no quarrel with that, very good!) or just eating fruit (or tofu), I'm afraid just aren't getting it. Trying to find a good hamburger in these days when people think a hamburger is merely something to throw out a window at passing cars is like the Quest for the Holy Grail. Don Firth P. S. If this keeps up, I might be tempted to post a fairly long article I wrote on hamburgers several years ago. It covers everything from the Boeing food service (retch!!) to the Hasty Tasty (smelled like a greasy spoon, but the burgers were superb!), and includes a side-trip to Denver (they didn't know what a chiliburger is down there!!). |
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03 Jun 06 - 04:46 PM (#1752348) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: number 6 May God, Allah, HaShem, or whatever, have mercy on anyone who eats the food served ar either McDonald's or Burger King. sIx |
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03 Jun 06 - 04:52 PM (#1752351) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth As I said, 6, your mileage may vary. The Burger King near where I live cranks out a pretty good burger. And I know burgers. Don Firth |
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03 Jun 06 - 05:05 PM (#1752355) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Peter Kasin If it has to be a fast food burger, I go with In 'N Out Burger, but it's a Western states chain, so you might not be near an outlet. Still, it doesn't anywhere compare with a good restaurant or home made burger. I agree with guest DB about the blandness of McDonald's. They are P.R. geniuses to make their burgers #1 in sales. Chanteyranger |
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03 Jun 06 - 05:07 PM (#1752356) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: podman IN 'N OUT! Better quality, better shake, way cool T-shirts at affordable prices. |
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03 Jun 06 - 05:13 PM (#1752360) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Lepus Rex Burger King, out of the two. And, for all of you naysayers, it's the same garbage you get when when you cook it at home. The same cruelly-produced beef, dragged through the same shit in the same filthy slaughterhouse. The entire Earth is poisoned, and you'll never escape. So eat some crappy food, why don't ya? Anyways, for those who want to be more like me, here's my top five corporate whore fast food restaurants: 1. Tied for Culver's (a mainly upper-Midwestern chain, but growing) and Wendy's. With their "butterburgers" and fried cheese curds, Culver's is a huge part of my "dead by 40" plan. And great fries. Wendy's, I'll usually get a "classic single" with onions, nothing else on it. Godly. 2. White Castle. Yeah, yeah, screw you. It's good for you. 3. Burger King. Their fries suck, but their "Whoppers" are like heroin. Big, juicy, fatty heroin. Mmmmmm. 4. Dairy Queen. I don't know why, but the quality of Dairy Queen burgers varies vastly from location to location. But when they're good, they take me back to my childhood, when I'd eat at the Minnesota Zoo DQ. Which may explain why the smell of dolphin-water and monkey-piss makes me strangely hungry... Perhaps I've said too much. 5. McDonalds. Actually, there's about five other places ahead of McDonalds, but I wanted to bitxch about their food, so... So, there's the food, which is horrible, even by fast food standards. The "sweatburger" thing, and all that. But they put all of their horrid little sandwiches in boxes. I mean, what the fuck? Cold food that falls all over your shirt. Nice. Oh, and I really want to try an In-N-Out burger, someday, if only for the Lebowski connection. ---Lepus Rex |
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03 Jun 06 - 05:17 PM (#1752361) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "for all of you naysayers, it's the same garbage you get when when you cook it at home." Now that is just so much horseskite! Know where the food you're putting in your body is coming from.... It's not hard to do.... It just takes showing a little care for yourself.... |
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03 Jun 06 - 05:20 PM (#1752364) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST I'd rather agree with CH than eat crapburgers |
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03 Jun 06 - 05:29 PM (#1752368) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Bee-dubya-ell Smell triggers memory. The smell of a Whopper invariably reminds me of my first visit to Burger King, which happened to be in the company of a girl named Sandra with whom I was madly in love at the age of fifteen. The smell of McDonalds holds no such memories. |
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03 Jun 06 - 05:35 PM (#1752370) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Lepus Rex Oh, c'mon, Clinton. Unless you're raising and slaughtering the cows yourself, you only know where they tell you your food is from. I know farmers who sell to people who, like you, prefer to buy from "people they know" and "places they trust," and it's the same stuff. Filthy, evil, horrid meat. Or perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps up in Canada, there's a wonderful cow retirement home... Where elderly cows sleep on feather beds, eat bon-bons all day, die (with their cow families at their bedsides) of natural causes, and then are magically turned into wholesome piles of ground beef by pixies. Nah. It's blood and shit and terror, and it's the same meat. And it's delicious. ---Lepus Rex |
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03 Jun 06 - 05:56 PM (#1752375) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST, Topsie There used to be a place in Guildford called, I think, Brett's Burgers. The burgers were wonderful: 100% beef cooked to perfection - and Richard Thompson as background music. |
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03 Jun 06 - 06:00 PM (#1752376) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: bobad Then again there are alternatives. These veggie burgers are on the Saturday supper menu at our house. |
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03 Jun 06 - 06:19 PM (#1752380) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: catspaw49 Say Clinton.....Do you still smoke? I sure as hell ain't no anti-smoking zealot but why worry about shitfood when you're firng up a pack or two a day? Kinda' silly ain't it? I mean there are a lot of health and social problems linked to junk food but that list pales in comparison next to the one linked to smoking. Geeziz man, destroying your body through lifestyle choice is my specialty! But then again, you might get run down by a Peterbilt............so if you want to walk a mile for a Camel or have a double plotcher with processed cheese....GO FOR IT!!! I don't do either anymore but I'm day late and a dollar short. You won't quit either until it comes home to you....not just to roost but to club you with a sledge hammer repeatedly.....on a real personal level and not through lectures. Is there anyone who thinks a Big Mac is good for them? Does anyone think that cigarettes won't give you heart and lung problems? Go for both or one or neither.....your life, your decisions! Spaw |
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03 Jun 06 - 08:50 PM (#1752433) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: The Fooles Troupe You have to be fast to eat idiot food.... "I'd hit Subway...the food is better for you, fresher and won't make you feel like crap" The LAST time I was in a Subway (ever!), I watched the guy before me have a stand-up argument with the server. He got eventually given what he wanted. While I was being served by another server, I watched the first server dismantle and replace the ingredients in the trays... If I hadn't been in a real hurry... I really prefer Sushi now - and it's easy and MUCH cheaper to make it at home, exactly the way you want. Great for party food too. I remember REAL Aussie hamburgers... individually made to order, you could even look at the uncooked patty and see just how much breadcrumbs they had put in - adding breadcrumbs was a standard English -> Aussie Tradition... now the Yanks have spoiled all that... and Aussie burgers had MORE vege matter than meat... and SLICED BEETROOT! with no Dill Pickles... very hard to find the shops now... which also used to do real 'fish & chips'... Real burger patties were not just ground meat (and NOT the highest grade meat, the lower grades were for mince!), but had some breadcrumbs or flour (helped to bind and soak up some of the fat) and often onions and even other very small chunks of veges too. Most amazing burger I had recently was in Toowoomba - in a strange place - 50/60s theme combo second hand junk shop, dance club floor and food bar. I had taken a friend there for her birthday present, and she thoroughly enjoyed the whole place. The 'serving plates' were heated and folded LP records (lined with paper), which from the titles, were very appropriately used - it being a 'Rock and Roll' era theme place, all those mushy strings and crooner LPs were put to real good use! :-) The buns were about 6-8 inches in diameter!!!! and PACKED with STUFF! I doubt even Clinton could get his mouth open wide enough to take a bite from top to bottom... :-) |
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03 Jun 06 - 09:16 PM (#1752446) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Joe Offer I used to eat at Burger King all the time, but then our local Burger Kings started microwaving the sandwiches after they made them. Nothing worse than a microwaved hamburger bun. Don't know if they've fixed that - it's been years since I had a Whopper. -Joe- |
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03 Jun 06 - 10:40 PM (#1752482) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: frogprince Setting all questions of health-conciousness aside, why would anyone eat a McDonald's burger given a choice? You could get as much flavor from chewing on a wad of their napkins! |
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03 Jun 06 - 10:47 PM (#1752485) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: catspaw49 The only time I have ever had a "Big Mac Attack" is about 20 minutes after eating one.................. Spaw |
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03 Jun 06 - 10:50 PM (#1752488) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond " Filthy, evil, horrid meat" Humans evolved to be omnivores... that includes meat.... whether you like it or not... "firng up a pack or two a day?" I have NEVER smoked 'a pack or 2 a day'..... "pales in comparison next to the one linked to smoking" But this isn't a thread about smoking, is it? Or are you to addled to stick to the topic at hand? |
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03 Jun 06 - 11:02 PM (#1752500) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: catspaw49 Just doing a hypocrisy check Clinton. You seem to have plenty so I can check you on the list!!! Spaw |
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03 Jun 06 - 11:06 PM (#1752503) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Lepus Rex Like it? Hell, Clinton, I love it. My point was that a home-made meat product is basically the same meat product you get at Wendy's. Hey, anyone ever tried one of these? Or know of a good place to get one? ---Lepus Rex |
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03 Jun 06 - 11:31 PM (#1752512) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "My point was that a home-made meat product is basically the same meat product you get at Wendy's." Then you need to wake the FK up and find out what Wendy's and other fast food places do to your food before they serve it to you... "Just doing a hypocrisy check Clinton." Well, you can stuff it troll, cause it's got NO bearing on the conversation..... Cause this still isn't a thread about smoking |
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04 Jun 06 - 08:10 AM (#1752654) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST Joe, I had the same experience with BK, going on 20 years ago. After a late ending course at the local branch of a college (still take a class as a Grandpa' a couple times a year), I stopped by the "King and ordered a simple Burger. I watched as rhey took one, already wrapped, from a storage unit and tossed it into a Microwave. I asked "is that my burger and what are you doing to it?" They said they were reheating it. I told them I could have gone on home and done that, the reason for stopping was not to get reheated food. They run their 'open chain broiler' several times a day and precooked all the burgers. Have not been back since. The only way to get a decent or good burger is a privately owned joint where you will have to pay $8 - $12. I would rather do this twice a month than have a McDucks, BK, etc., twice a week. |
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04 Jun 06 - 08:43 AM (#1752667) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: catspaw49 Gee CH, all those times you do the same thing and now its wrong huh? And here I thought you could take it as well as dish it out.......LMAO Spaw |
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04 Jun 06 - 09:21 AM (#1752680) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Sandra in Sydney back in the 70's my colleague & his wife travelled overseas regularly as she worked for Pan Am. If they thought the local food was not hygenic they had McDonalds as they knew there would not be any germs in it. Bland, yes, but germs, no. Around the same time I had my only McDonalds burger. Normally I would not have eaten them, but we were at the club on a Sunday afternoon & the Bistro was closed so a couple of us went hunting food while the others kept drinking, and the only thing open was the golden arches. This was back in the prehistoric days before Sunday trading (no pubs, no grocery shops, no nuffin') So we came back to the club with our burgers & found the rest of the mob eating steaks cooked by the barman. Being broke (no ATMs in those days, either) I sat with my friends in the yard under the green corregated fibreglass roof, eating my sausage-mince burger on soft sugarybun, garnished with 1 teaspoon of chopped onion, 2 or 3 slices of dillpickle, & a wisp of lettuce under the greenish light. I can still see it. I have never forgotten the green burger. I would have been better just buying a packets of chippies or peanuts from the barman. sandra wanna click on the goooooogle ads for Franchising or Wendy's? |
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04 Jun 06 - 09:30 AM (#1752681) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Stu "My point was that a home-made meat product is basically the same meat product you get at Wendy's." Sorry Rex, can't agree with that. Our local butchers tell you where their meat is coming from, the exact farm. Some of the cows, sheep and pigs that become the meat that goes into our joints, burgers, sausages etc we drive past on the way to our Friday night session - the same is not true of the intensively-reared meat you get in the likes of McDonalds. We know our meat was reared in the countryside around the town, and it ate fresh grass and lived a happy life. I would never eat a McDonalds - these people are taking the piss out of their customers by serving them fatty sugar-laden foods stuffed with starch. It really is crap of the highest order. Mind you, I have been known to have the odd Burger King occasionaly, so who am I to talk? stigWeard |
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04 Jun 06 - 09:57 AM (#1752688) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Homeless Don Firth- if you want to learn about corporate procedures, read the book "The E-Myth Revisited." It basically says that if you want to have a successful business, you have to take ALL the decisions away from all the employees, and have EVERYTHING proceduralized and documented. That way you can hire the dumbest people to work for you. Ray Kroc, of McDonalds fame, pioneered the concept for the fast food industry. McDonalds has perfected it. When I was a kid I was practically raised on McDonalds burgers. My dad had worked there as a teenager, and had some kind of weird loyalty to them. So as a kid, anytime we ate out it was always at McDonalds. The last time I ate a sandwich there was over 25 years ago. I had just started high school and, with my parents having recently divorced, was starting to make decisions for myself. My girlfriend and I had gone inside to eat. I got a Quarter Pounder. Holding the sandwich in my left hand, in the time it took me to eat half of it, the grease (lard?) had run between my fingers, clear down to my elbow, and had congealed. I don't recall if I finished that burger or not, but it pretty much killed off my appetite for them, and I've not had one there since. |
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04 Jun 06 - 11:17 AM (#1752726) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond Whatever 'spaw'.... I know I can stick to a topic... can you? "LMAO"? But you're all "A", so how do you know when to stop? |
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04 Jun 06 - 01:20 PM (#1752800) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: RangerSteve Hardee's has the best fast food burgers, they're not made until you order them. Taco Bell and Boston Market have the best non-burger food, and most diners have better burgers than the fast-food chains. |
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04 Jun 06 - 01:35 PM (#1752805) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Once again, your mileage may vary. In my local Burger King, I've never been handed a bad burger. I've had some really bad ones at various places, but never at Burger King. Watching that television show I talk about above reinforced my impression that, of the fast-food places, Burger King was the best. But maybe they don't all follow company policy. It's not that I eat that many burgers. My wife and I are practically vegetarians, but every now and then we fall upon some helpless animal and rend it with our teeth and claws. So we're pretty picky about where we hunt our animals. I can recommend my local Burger King. Don Firth |
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04 Jun 06 - 01:47 PM (#1752811) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: C. Ham My wife and I are practically vegetarians, but every now and then we fall upon some helpless animal and rend it with our teeth and claws. So we're pretty picky about where we hunt our animals. I can recommend my local Burger King. I'm a vegetarian too, except for the once (sometimes twice) a day I eat meat, chicken or fish. |
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04 Jun 06 - 02:12 PM (#1752834) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Homeless Don, I hadn't meant to imply that your BK made bad burgers, just that the procedualization was not limited to BK. It's just as easy to make a good product with procedures just it is a bad one. And vice-versa. |
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04 Jun 06 - 02:12 PM (#1752835) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth My hamburger consumption is about five or six a year. Barbara and I eat vegetarian (not vegan) almost all the time, but when we have guests for dinner (average maybe once a month), we may have something like chicken or a pork roast. Barbara's a pretty creative cook (my specialty is peanut butter and jelly sandwiches) and often, even with guests, she'll whip up something meatless. Most carnivores don't even notice that it is meatless. We're not fanatical about it, one way or the other. Don Firth |
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04 Jun 06 - 07:05 PM (#1752975) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: The Fooles Troupe Here in Aus, Maccas has started converting some of their outlets into "Mac-Cafe's".... serve salads, etc. They have been hit hard by the 'health craze' and sales actually were starting to fall for a while. Many 'Pizza Hut' dine in places (same Franchise owner here I think) have closed - mostly only Take Away Pizzas now. Here in Aus (part of Asia as Little Johnny keeps rabbiting on) we have also been introduced to the delights of 'Sushi' - mainly vegetarian filled vinegared rice rolled in seaweed. That's getting to be very popular lunch time 'grab it' food here. But then in Aus we have a VERY eclectic palate - 'British Trad', Greek, Italian, Chinese (Dim Sum very popular!), Vietnamese, Thai, Japanese, Indian, Spanish, Brazilian, Russian, Native Aussie (Bush Foods), and more other ethnic styles than I can remember - just about every National style food is here! - Oh, and Seafood is still very popular, so the big US chains don't quite get it all their own way here. Many good Top 'Real' Restaurants (this excludes US chain fast food places!) offer a range of 'Ethnic' styles, and many various 'blends' of same too. Most Aussies are far more knowledgeable about food that you might suspect - always trying out new styles of food. |
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04 Jun 06 - 07:50 PM (#1753001) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "Many 'Pizza Hut' dine in places have closed" Good! |
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04 Jun 06 - 08:52 PM (#1753028) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: frogprince A&W was around decades before McDonalds, but somehow has never gotten their act together to hold a big market share; several locations have opened and closed near us in the last few years. But, besides some of the best root beer going, I have always found that they served a better burger than most of the chains. |
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04 Jun 06 - 09:18 PM (#1753045) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Yeah, I recall A&W. Pretty good burgers. Great root beer! Don Firth |
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04 Jun 06 - 09:28 PM (#1753048) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: frogprince And if you smush some real good ice cream into that A&W root beer... |
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05 Jun 06 - 12:01 AM (#1753118) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Sandy Paton Wendy's has been serving pretty darned good salads for a long time. McDonald's is at the very bottom of the list for me. Hey, Don -- my very first job (age 11) was adjusting the seat heights for renters of water bicycles on Green Lake. No fast food joints around sixty-six years ago, and even if there had been, at $1 a day, I doubt that I could have afforded to eat at one of 'em. Sandy |
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05 Jun 06 - 01:33 AM (#1753132) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: catspaw49 Hey Sandy......Mickey D is at the bottom of my list too, but they have a new Asian Chicken salad with Newman's Sesame-Ginger dressing that's tops! Spaw |
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05 Jun 06 - 04:37 AM (#1753177) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "I recall A&W. Great root beer!" Oh please.... I LOVE good Root Beer, and A&W is the standard I hold EVERY SINGLE RB I try against.... ""Well, at least it's not as bad as A&W" Tasteless, bland, mass-produced crap!!!! |
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05 Jun 06 - 07:10 AM (#1753226) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: The Fooles Troupe Ah! Bundaberg Root Beer! Made in the same town - but by different brewers - as Bundaberg Rum! Be careful, lest ye utter fightin' words! |
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05 Jun 06 - 12:27 PM (#1753366) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST,Diogenes Clinton, do you ever smile? (Just curious) |
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05 Jun 06 - 02:10 PM (#1753424) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST,Dónde está la carne de vaca Well, this thread wasn't terribly helpful in deciding between McDonald's or Burger King. So instead we hit the all you can eat buffet at Kentucky Fried Chicken. It was finger lickin' good. |
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05 Jun 06 - 02:22 PM (#1753430) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond I smile a lot, "Diogenes" Why? Jealous? |
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05 Jun 06 - 03:03 PM (#1753447) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST,Rufus Burger King and Mickey Dees ain't got no fired chicken so I vote for KFC. |
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05 Jun 06 - 03:17 PM (#1753451) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: frogprince You didn't bother me with this post, Clinton, but you confused me so much I'm really curious as to what was going on here: "I recall A&W. Great root beer!" Oh please.... I LOVE good Root Beer, and A&W is the standard I hold EVERY SINGLE RB I try against.... That I get, and say a hearty "amen" to it. ""Well, at least it's not as bad as A&W" Tasteless, bland, mass-produced crap!!!! But I've been looking all through the thread and can't spot who you were quoting there, so's to tell what that was about ??? |
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05 Jun 06 - 03:31 PM (#1753459) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond I was quoting MYSELF.... After trying just about ANY root-beer, I can at least say "Well, at least it's not as bad as A&W." It'd have to be pretty bad Root Beer to be worse than A&W I can see where that post wasn't as clear as it could have been, FP.... |
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05 Jun 06 - 03:35 PM (#1753465) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: frogprince Well, each to his own... |
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05 Jun 06 - 03:36 PM (#1753467) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: M.Ted People eat more McDonald's than anything else--McDonald's kids meal come with a toy, and it seems that one third of the toys in the US now come from McDonalds. And it's not because the food is particularly tasty, or the toys are particularly fun. Bottom line, it is all bland--but it is easy, especially when one goes through the drive through-- One burger, even a big greasy one, isn't going to hurt you--but a regular diet of burgers is another thing again. My third grade teacher told us about the girl who would only eat a hamburger, fries, and a coke, and died of malnutrition. Forty years later, I can tell you that my teacher was wrong--the girl died of colon cancer-- |
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05 Jun 06 - 03:47 PM (#1753479) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond " One burger, even a big greasy one, isn't going to hurt you--" Call every doctor or nutritritionist in your phone book and ask them what they think is a safe level of junk food to include in your diet... I suspect the vast majority of answers will be "none!" Root Beer I'll give it this FP.... A&W Root Beer is better than NO Root Beer! :-) |
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05 Jun 06 - 06:17 PM (#1753573) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth A reasonably well prepared hamburger is not "junk food." Think about it. Ground round (granted McDonald's mixes it half-and-half with wet cardboard), bread in the form of a bun, and the usual fixin's like lettuce, tomato, a little mayo (ingredients often found in salads), perhaps a bit of mustard and/or ketchup, and a pickle slice or two. Not junk food. Until people started assuming that hamburgers were junk food, nutritionists (sometimes a bit grudgingly) regarded the hamburger as a reasonably well-balanced meal. That's a fact. Now, if you let it sit in a warming oven until it renders out the fat that's in all meat and starts basting itself with it, then it turns into a piece of soggy, tasteless crap. But it's still not going to clog your veins any more that any comparable quantity of beef (in fact, the wet cardboard in a Big Mac should actually reduce that amount of fat). It's the super-size order of deep-fat fries that go with it, along with the milk shake that, if your other meals consist of a bowl of Froot-Loops or an Egg McMuffin in the morning and a pizza or a couple of Hot-Pockets, not to mention the two bags of Cheezy-Chips and the energy bar and the incessant stream of M&Ms from the vending machine and the pint of Ben and Jerry's to round out the day's food intake—day after day after day—that's eventually gonna have someone dialing 911 in your behalf as you lay there on the floor clutching your chest and gasping for breathe. Eat a raw carrot now and then. But don't be a damned fanatic. Don Firth |
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05 Jun 06 - 07:35 PM (#1753637) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Best root beer I've ever had was at a drive-in a few blocks from where I used to live in Seattle. It was out on Lake City Way just south of East 85th Street. It was called the "Triple X Drive-Inn" and as far as I know it was not part of a chain. It was one of these places where you could "eat in" (they had a counter and booths) or "dine in your car." Park, flash your headlights, and a car-hop (usually a teen-age girl in a uniform) would take your order, then bring it out on a tray, ask you to roll your window up a few inches, then hook the tray on the window and set a prop against the car door. General fare of hamburgers, fries, shakes, various other kinds of sandwiches, hot dogs, and such. Coffee or tea–or their own brand of root beer, which they had on tap. Big, pint-sized mugs. Great stuff! The roof of the place looked like the top of a huge barrel, maybe thirty feet in diameter, with a "XXX" on the side. No relation to porn movie ratings. The hamburgers were good, and definitely a meal, and the root beer was superb. People used to come to the place from all over town for a mug of their root beer. This was in the Forties, Fifties, and Sixties. The sudden influx of 19¢ hamburger joints, McDonald's, and other places like that pretty much ran them out of business. People without taste buds went to these new places rather than the Triple X. The Triple X had 'em beat by far for quality, but they couldn't compete with the prices–not that they were all that expensive. A&W wasn't quit up to XXX root beer, but it was darned good. In most of the A&W drive-ins I went to, there, too, it was on tap. Maybe we were (are) just lucky out here in this neck of the woods. Triple X was good, A&W was good, and Burger King is good. I've eaten a helluva lot of hamburges and I've quaffed a helluva lot of root beer, so I'm not exactly without experience in these matters. I do eat a raw carrot now and then. But I'm obviously no fanatic about it. . Don Firth |
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05 Jun 06 - 08:15 PM (#1753669) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "A reasonably well prepared hamburger is not "junk food."" True... but yer not gonna find a reasonable well prepared burger at ANY "Fast food joint".... |
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05 Jun 06 - 08:28 PM (#1753675) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: The Fooles Troupe Well, they are as reasonable and well prepared as the bean counters permit... |
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05 Jun 06 - 08:44 PM (#1753678) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST Bon appetit! |
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05 Jun 06 - 09:27 PM (#1753718) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST,Rufus The preacher was talking to these three little kids one day tryin to stoke up their religous beliefs. He asked them what was the two best things in the world. The first one said "God and you reverend". The second ond said "the Bible and Jesus father". The third one said "you guys must not know nothin about pussy and watermellon". |
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06 Jun 06 - 02:11 PM (#1754274) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond I've never been even CLOSE to being what anyone could call a 'chain smoker' |
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06 Jun 06 - 03:27 PM (#1754342) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: M.Ted Don, Clinton speaks with the admirable certitude--but nothing else. Red meat isn't junk food, for one thing. For another, nutritionists tend to suggest a varied diet, that includes a little of a lot of things, including meat, including saturated fats--some even suggest a little drinking is good--None, a least that I have even heard of, suggest a even little smoking, though-- I suspect that Clinton dislikes burgers because he gets catsup,mustard, and bits of bread crumb in his beard when he eats them. |
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06 Jun 06 - 03:30 PM (#1754346) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "Red meat isn't junk food" I never said it was, did I? "in his beard when he eats them" I don't have a beard..... |
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06 Jun 06 - 03:40 PM (#1754354) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Scoville Whataburger. |
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06 Jun 06 - 04:46 PM (#1754408) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth It's not exactly as if I am perpetually mowing my way through a field of hamburgers on a daily basis. Halfway decent hamburgers are hard come by these days. Most restaurants have gone to specialty or ethnic foods. There are Thai restaurants all over the place, and within walking distance of where I live, there are a number of Chinese restaurants (not the old-style chop suey and chow mein joints, but Mandarin, Cantonese, etc. Greek, Russian, Ethiopian, Vietnamese, Mexican (not counting the Taco Bell four blocks from here), a couple of Italian restaurants (not counting pizza joints everywhere). A couple of bar-and-grill type places. A couple of seafood restaurants (I'm particularly partial to seafood), health food restaurants and a juice bar, two Subways and a couple of delis. I am surrounded by food. But I don't know of any place nearby where I could walk in and order anything resembling what used to be a standard, medium-priced, very American restaurant meal, say a small salad, entrée of chicken-fried steak, mashed potatoes, vegetable, and roll, followed by pie à la mode. These days, if you hunger for a hamburger in this neck of the woods, you can go to Kidd Valley. I don't know if they're a national chain, but there are several of them around Seattle—very good burgers, but not exactly cheap. Another would be Red Robin Gourmet Burgers. Eleventy-fourteen different varieties, but also a bit pricey. But I could head down to my local Burger King and get a damned good hamburger (I usually order the Whopper Junior with cheese—fresh and tasty) for a buck and a half. Unfortunately, I just got the news that the Burger King I usually go to has closed its doors. There are others in Seattle, but not nearby. Damn!! That leaves me with Dick's Drive-In (not bad, but not as good as Burger King) or Jack-in-the-Box. Jack-With-the-Styrofoam-Head's burgers are pretty good, but they're tending to escalate in price. One thing they do have going for them is that after the E coli brouhaha of ten or twelve years ago, Jack-in-the-Box's burgers are scrupulously clean and well-prepared. They don't want a repetition of that. I really wish there were a decent fish-and-chips place nearby. . . . We're not unacquainted with the food pyramid, and our food intake is pretty healthy. Barbara's a genius with rice, beans, mixed veggies, pasta. Last night for dinner we had a humongous big salad with sourdough bread (the kind where you slice the loaf yourself). Don Firth (Jeez! It's past lunchtime here!) |
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07 Jun 06 - 07:33 AM (#1754834) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Liz the Squeak All these attempts to wean me off junk food has resulted in nothing but a craving for a Sausage Egg McMuffin.. but as it's gone 10.30am here, I'm not likely to get one. Guess I'll just go have a mushroom sandwich. LTS |
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07 Jun 06 - 10:37 AM (#1754971) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Homeless A reasonably well prepared hamburger is not "junk food." Think about it. Ground round (granted McDonald's mixes it half-and-half with wet cardboard), bread in the form of a bun, and the usual fixin's like lettuce, tomato, a little mayo (ingredients often found in salads), perhaps a bit of mustard and/or ketchup, and a pickle slice or two. Not junk food. Most nutritionists I know of who remain current say that red meat should be avoided. No more than 1 serving (4 ounces) per week. The protein you get from meat should come from leaner sources - primarily fish or shellfish, then fowl. White bread, which includes all fast food hamburger buns I've seen, is also frowned upon. Grain should come from whole grains, or at the very least whole grain bread. Processed flour has most of the nutritional value stripped from it. Mayo, mustard, and ketchup frequently are overly sugared. Pickles are exceedingly high in sodium. Too much fat, sugar, and salt. High calorie, low nutritional value. How is this not junk food? |
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07 Jun 06 - 10:47 AM (#1754985) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "Most restaurants have gone to specialty or ethnic foods." We're not talking about restaurants here are we, we're talking about Junk/fast food.... I'm sure you know the difference Don..... Burger King is NOT a restaurant, and what they serve is NOT 'Fresh' (Tasty is too subjective....) "Clinton dislikes burgers" And where exactly did I say that?!?! Stop projecting your agenda.... "How is this not junk food?" One is often better off eating the wrappers, bags and paper cups the 'food' comes in rather than the food itself! |
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07 Jun 06 - 02:51 PM (#1755119) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Clinton, your local Burger King may serve crap, but the one that was in my neighborhood served a damned good burger. I can't speak for all of them. Neither can you. Don Firth |
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07 Jun 06 - 02:56 PM (#1755122) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond Bullshit Don... Your Burger King got sent the exact same over processed, frozen crap to serve as every other Burger King... That's the fast food modle for you... |
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07 Jun 06 - 03:10 PM (#1755128) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth I'm not going to argue the point, Clinton. It's not worth my time and energy. Don Firth |
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07 Jun 06 - 03:22 PM (#1755135) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond There is no arguing... cause to put it simply, you're wrong.... Anybody who has half a clue about fast food chains will tell you that.... Never seen a big refrigerated truck pull up to the back of a Burger King or a McDonalds, or a Wendy's and off load box after box of frozen, over processed 'food'? (The mostly do it late at night so that people don't wonder why the ingredients on the side of the 'burger' box, is exactly the same as what's listed on the side of the box that the paper hats come in) Or do you think that perhaps, in the basement every Burger King is getting fresh sides of organic beef delivered that they butcher and grind themselves???? And I suppose that someone is down there running the mill-wheel to grund the flour to make the 'buns' right?!?!?! I KNOW you're smarter than that Don.... |
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07 Jun 06 - 03:57 PM (#1755155) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Look, Clinton, I know perfectly well that fast food burgers are highly processed and if one tried to survive on them, he'd be courting cardiac arrest. The question that started this thread is, essentially, of the two, which is better, McDonald's or Burger King? So I offered an opinion and I'll stand by it. Of the two, a Whopper will beat a Big Mac every time and every way. This is not a Holy Crusade. Don't get so emotionally involved. That can lead to cardiac arrest also. (As can smoking, which I gave up 28 years ago.) Don Firth |
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07 Jun 06 - 04:17 PM (#1755168) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: catspaw49 Besides CH, you need to stay on topic as you say........This thread is about which you prefer, McD or BK and you said neither...they both suck...and I would agree. But Don likes BK. Fine......This thread is NOT about the merits or lack thereof of fast food.....YOU made it that. The pizza thread is about what you like on pizza. I notice no one has brought up the amounts of mercury in tuna have they? HAHAHAHAHAHA.......Ah Clinton.....You love to argue. How about a thread on which you prefer, written or oral? Spaw |
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07 Jun 06 - 04:39 PM (#1755187) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "So I offered an opinion and I'll stand by it." Holy back-peddle Batman..... |
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07 Jun 06 - 04:44 PM (#1755191) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth SHEESH!! Okay, you can have the last word if that's what you want. Fine by me. Don Firth |
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07 Jun 06 - 04:46 PM (#1755193) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond Maybe you should try a bran muffin, Don... Or take your own advice and "Don't get so emotionally involved." |
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07 Jun 06 - 04:46 PM (#1755194) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond While we're taking this ALL SOO SERIOUS... 100 |
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07 Jun 06 - 04:58 PM (#1755204) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Congratulations! Don Firth |
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07 Jun 06 - 05:00 PM (#1755207) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond Thanks Don.... How's about I buy you a Whopper to celebrate? |
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07 Jun 06 - 05:03 PM (#1755210) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Barry Finn Red meat-hamburgers is not junk food but that's what it becomes when it served by the fast food method. Yes-one is unhealthy for you, two is worst, a daily diet will sicken you. A little poison is still a little poison. I can't stand to eat in those places & I do love meat. Barry |
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07 Jun 06 - 05:06 PM (#1755214) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Wolfgang For the very few who might understand it: a joke which makes only sense if you understand German: What's the name of the CEO of the McDonald's in Turkey? Izmir Übel. (homophone to German for 'I feel like throwing up') Wolfgang |
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07 Jun 06 - 06:17 PM (#1755263) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: melodeonboy The choice of the two named "restaurants" (sic. - or should that be "sick"?) reminds me of the Monty Python "Spot the Braincell" gameshow sketch where Mrs. Ratbag is offered the choice of a blow on the head or a poke in the eye as her prize for getting the correct answer. The only time I'd enter either of them would be as an arsonist! |
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07 Jun 06 - 08:20 PM (#1755320) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Okay, whatthehell! I mentioned (warned about) this above. I wrote this about ten years ago just for kicks and I haven't sent it off anywhere because I couldn't figure out what kind of magazine or other publication might be interested in it. It's been sitting on one disc or another since then, so I might as well inflict it on you folks. It's kinda long. Runs six typewritten pages, single space (I don't know if it's even "legal" to post anything this long, but, if not, I guess someone will let me know). by Don Firth Recently I motored up to the window of a drive-in hamburger establishment in the Broadway district and -with no special cause to be concerned, but nevertheless mindful of warnings about cholesterol -I purchased one of their smaller hamburgers. I didn't realize how small it was until I unwrapped it and started eating it. After two bites into a not very large bun, I still hadn't encountered meat. I opened it up and examined it. I spied the meat patty cowering pathetically behind a shred of wilted lettuce. To call it a "beef patty" may be too optimistic, but I imagine it contained some traces thereof. It was about a quarter of an inch thick at its thickest, and roughly the diameter of a silver dollar. It was charred around the edges, and I think if I had dropped it, it may very well have shattered. The hamburger has fallen on melancholy times within recent years. It is true that in this hyperkinetic, fast food, gobble-and-go world in which we live, the hamburger is ubiquitous. In any urban or suburban area, you can't drive very many blocks without spotting one or more of the chain establishments where they throw hamburgers out the window at passing cars. But hamburgers sure ain't what they used to be. J. Wellington Wimpy was someone I knew from childhood. He was a recurring character in the comic strip called "Thimble Theater," which featured a one-eyed, spinach eating sailor named "Popeye." J. Wellington Wimpy was a portly gent in a derby hat. He was semi-cultivated, a bit pompous, and not just a little pretentious. He was afflicted with an abiding craving for hamburgers: he could eat a whole platter of hamburgers at one sitting. But he was perpetually strapped for ready cash. Between his craving and his insolvency, Wimpy was the archetypical moocher. Much of the humor, and Wimpy's charm, came from the ingenuity, and the transparency, of his attempts to inveigle an on-the-cuff plate of burgers from his favorite lunch counter, or to promote a long term -very long term -loan from friends and acquaintances. On the radio and in movie cartoons during the Thirties and Forties, the voice and manner of expression of J. Wellington Wimpy was exactly that of W. C. Fields, who may very well have supplied the voice-over. Wimpy became so identified with hamburgers that many restaurants that featured hamburgers called themselves "Wimpy's." Although, alas, I have never been there, I have heard that there is a whole chain of hamburger joints in England that bears his name. These days, hamburgers are regarded by many people as "junk food," but at one time, they were standard, reliable American fare. They may not have been regarded by the elite as particularly glamorous, but if nothing else on the menu appealed, you could count on a hamburger to be at least fairly tasty and filling. Although it was a while back and our ideas of nutrition have changed in recent years, a prominent nutritionist of a couple decades ago praised the lowly hamburger, particularly the cheeseburger with all the usual fixings, because it encompassed the four major food groups and thereby constituted a well-balanced meal -at least in terms of ingredients, if not in ideal proportions. And speaking of "fixings," one of the hamburger's attractions is its easy customizability. Starting with the basic beef patty and hamburger bun, one can be highly creative. Cheese, onion, pickles, tomatoes, lettuce, mustard, ketchup, all these things individually and in various combinations are fairly standard options. Our friendly neighborhood heart surgeons may have received an income boost when people started including several strips of bacon in the list of options. Imagination and experimentation produced new varieties: for example, add a slice of pineapple and you have created a "Hawaiiburger." The Hasty Tasty was a twenty-four hour restaurant on upper University Way. A University District landmark of former times, it was often referred to by critics and habitués alike as the "Hasty Tasteless" or the "Nasty Tasty." Indeed, the food was not gourmet, but it was pretty good, and portions were generous. The menu was broad. Breakfast, lunch, or dinner was available any time of the day or night. Centerpiece of the menu was the "Hasty Burger." It was a great "triple by-pass special," or "Kevorkianburger," although we didn't think of it that way back in the Fifties and Sixties, and it could manifest itself in a variety of guises. These days, if a burger features a quarter-pound patty, its purveyor trumpets the fact loudly in television commercials: such generosity is a major selling point. But the core of the Hasty Burger was closer to half a pound of ground beef: not, as is today's practice, a mixture of one part commercial hamburger and one part wet cardboard. This patty of real beef was placed on a standard hamburger bun (now regarded as "oversized"), and the rest depended on your specifications. Your choice (any, all, or none) of mayonnaise, mustard, ketchup, pickle (relish or sliced), lettuce, a generous slice of tomato, and a generous slice of onion, not just a sprinkle of chopped onion, unless that's what you preferred. You could have this alone or with a side of French fries. This was not a small handful served in a little paper envelope: it was a whole potato's worth, piled like cord-wood on a large platter beside the burger. And on each table and every few feet along the counter there was a bottle of ketchup. Other options included my particular favorite: the chiliburger. As far as I have been able to tell recently, the chiliburger is now extinct. But in those glorious days when the chiliburger roamed the earth, it was constructed by placing one of the aforementioned monster beef patties on the bottom half of a hamburger bun set in the center of a large platter. The top of the bun was sliced in half and the two pieces placed at either end of the platter. Then the platter was inundated with an entire bowl of the Hasty Tasty's really good chili con carne. Finally, if you wished, the whole thing could be buried in chopped raw onion, or shreds of cheddar cheese, or both. Bob Murray's Doghouse, located on Seventh Avenue near Denny Park, was a Seattle institution. It opened its doors sometime in the mid-Thirties and closed for good on January 31, 1994. It appeared frequently as a setting in the mystery novels of J. A. Jance. Ms. Jance's protagonist, Seattle Police Detective J. P. Beaumont, often met friends, enemies, and informants there. He also consumed its blatantly non-gourmet food with gusto, sometimes accompanied by dire warnings from his granola and bean sprout eating partner. Indeed, when a new Beaumont novel appeared, the Doghouse would host a book signing party where you could meet the author, buy a book, and have her autograph it for you. The Doghouse featured hamburgers in a variety of incarnations (if I may be so bold as to use that term in this context). During my college days I ate there from time to time, usually with a group of other people after a party or late night outing of some sort. The menu listed, by humorous canine name, ten or a dozen ways of tricking up the basic beef patty and bun with various additions and condiments, for example, a plain hamburger (beef patty and bun only) liberally splashed with ketchup was identified as "The Bloodhound." My favorite menu item there was, of course, the chiliburger. The poochie moniker it bore may have been something like "The Chihuahua," but I think it was more grandiose than that. For the life of me, I can't remember. I just ate them. They were excellent, running a close second to those at the Hasty Tasty. Although I had not eaten there for decades, when the word came down that Bob Murray's Doghouse was due to close for good, I was assailed by a great hunger for one of their chiliburgers. Fortunately, an auspicious occasion presented itself. J. A. Jance's new Beaumont novel, Without Due Process, had just been release, and as one of its last acts, The Doghouse was hosting a book signing session. A friend, Juni Nelson, and I share an addiction to mystery novels, especially ones with a local setting such as Jance's Beaumont novels, so she and I went to The Doghouse on the appointed evening, bought the novel and had it autographed by the author. Then we ate there. Chiliburgers. It was the first chiliburger I had eaten in years. It was good! Scrumptious! But, Lord, how it had shrunk! This was not the shrinkage that occurs when nostalgic exaggeration is suddenly confronted by the reality that was. This was measurable diminution. I didn't actually sit there at the table and measure or weigh the portions except by eye, but I am certain that the figures would bear me out. During the middle Fifties I made a sojourn to a clinic in Denver to undergo physical therapy. It wasn't long before I became jaded by institutional food and went foraging outside the hospital. One Sunday afternoon while returning to the hospital from seeing a movie, I realized that I would be late for dinner. When Hatch's Drugstore hove into view, I got off the bus. Hatch's Drugstore was an early example of the kind of "drugstore" where prescription drugs are dispensed from a corner area only a little larger than a phone booth. In the rest of the place, which covered most of a city block, you could buy lawn furniture, hardware, clothing, you name it. It had a large magazine and book stand, which was one of the attractions of the place for me. They also had a lunch counter, complete with tables and booths, that was bigger than some restaurants. I had never eaten there. I was hungry, but not famished. I figured a hamburger would do nicely, and I might follow it with a piece of pie. The hamburger was served open-faced on a large plate. The beef patty must have been a good eight ounces, and the bun was even larger than what is called "oversized" these days. Also on the plate, arranged in a visually pleasing manner, were slices of cheese, tomato, onion, several leaves of lettuce, a whole dill pickle -and a side of French fries. As I gazed at this in awe, the waitress presented me with a relish tray: a couple kinds of mustard, ketchup, pickle relish, chopped onion, and a couple things I don't recall. The idea was, build it yourself to your own specifications. It was yummy! The next surprise was the price: thirty-five cents! In Seattle, that layout would have been available only in up-scale restaurants, and it would have run about a dollar and a half. Now, a dollar and a half may be a bargain these days, but in the Fifties, unless you were going to Canlis' or Von's or someplace like that, a dollar and a half could buy you a full meal, complete with salad, coffee, dessert, and a tip for the waitress. Dick's 19 cent hamburger drive-ins -actually "walk-ups" -began opening around Seattle in the early Fifties. Dick's nineteen cent burger was pretty basic: small patty, small bun, and the supplied condiments consisted of little more than a few molecules of mustard and a shard of pickle relish. But people used to say, "Gee, how can they do that for just nineteen cents?" One of the store managers used to answer, "Well, we loose money on each individual sale, but we make up for it in volume." In a world in which most people find that answer acceptable, many strange things are possible. We didn't realize it at the time, but it heralded the descent that was to come. But in Denver . . . on an outing with some friends at the hospital, we stopped at a nineteen cent hamburger drive-in before heading off to wherever we were bound. When the hamburgers arrived, I was astonished. They were not as big as Hasty Burgers, but close: two or three times the size of Dick's nineteen-centers, and they came adorned with lettuce, tomato, mayo, and mustard. Denver was a great place for the hamburger connoisseur. When I commented glowingly, the natives responded, "Well, yeah, I guess maybe so. We are pretty close to beef country, after all." There was one glitch, however. After several months in Denver, I had yet to encounter a chiliburger. When I mentioned this to a Denver native, he looked at me dubiously. Chili? On top of an open-face hamburger? Sounded pretty weird to him. Then one evening while wandering around downtown Denver after seeing a movie, I spotted a restaurant that claimed to be the greatest hamburger emporium in the world. "Surely here," I thought, and went in. I scanned the menu. It didn't leap out at me, but this was another of those places where they feel compelled to give all their menu items cutesy names. A more careful reading produced results. There, halfway down the page, I found it: "flame broiled to a succulent blah blah blah, served open-faced and smothered in our long simmered special blattety blattety chili con carne and garnished with generous portions of grated cheese and chopped onions." Aha! and furthermore, Eureka! No wonder I hadn't found it right away. They had given it a very flashy and elaborate name, something like "The Our Lady of Guadeloupe Chili con Toro Muerte Platter." Oy vey! I ordered one and ate it. It wasn't bad. In fact, it was pretty good. Not outstanding by Seattle standards, but pretty good. I belched discreetly and wiped my lips with a paper napkin as the waitress handed me my check. "I really enjoyed that," I said. "I haven't had a chiliburger in over a year." "A . . . what?" she asked. "A chiliburger. That's what we call them in Seattle." Her eyes turned hard and her pleasant smile was replaced by a frosty veil. "Well, that's not very likely," she said stiffly. "Our chef invented that dish. It's one of our specialty items. This is the only place in the world that has them." "But I've been eating them for years in Seattle," I protested. "A chiliburger is a pretty standard menu item." Had I walked into a mosque with a pot-bellied pig on a leash, I couldn't have drawn a more withering stare. "That's impossible!" she said, and stalked off. I left her a generous tip. After all, I had questioned her faith and possibly sewn the seeds of doubt. No one can be that adamant unless they feel that their basic beliefs have been challenged. Back in Seattle again, I soon headed for the Hasty Tasty. But that was many chiliburgers and many years ago. These days I am practically a vegetarian. But not totally. When I am not being a vegetarian, I am especially fond of seafood. Salmon, well prepared, will make my eyes light up. I also like halibut, sole, cod, clams, crab, prawns, oysters -just about anything that swims or clings to a rock. The wily tuna salad sandwich is a special favorite. A nice pork tenderloin, yes: and ham, and various kinds of fowl. I like beef. Yet, within recent years the flavor seems to have changed. It tastes "gray." That's the only way I can describe it. And no, this is not my aging taste buds. Once in a while I encounter a steak or piece of roast beef that tastes like steak and roast beef used to, so I know it isn't me. There is controversy in some circles over the way beef cattle are raised, what they are fed, and what they are injected with. This may very well explain the loss of flavor. I still really enjoy a good hamburger. When I can find one. And chiliburgers? They may still be out there, but I haven't seen one on a menu since Juni Nelson and I went to the Doghouse in 1992. And it's really doubtful that I will ever find them being served by one of the chain burger joints. A chiliburger is not real easy to throw out a window at a passing car. By the way: the site if the Hasty Tasty is now occupied by the "Silence-Heart-Nest," a New Age, vegetarian restaurant. (Sigh). I may just tidy this thing up and try submitting it somewhere. Don Firth |
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07 Jun 06 - 08:53 PM (#1755346) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: M.Ted Sorry, about the beard remark, Clinton, you're such a bagful of delight that I keep getting you confused with Santa Claus-- |
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07 Jun 06 - 09:18 PM (#1755364) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: The Fooles Troupe Loved it Don! Get it published! Why not try an Aussie newspaper/magazine? |
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07 Jun 06 - 10:05 PM (#1755392) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Thanks, Robin. Now I can say with at least some measure of honesty that my writing is "internationally recognized." Don Firth |
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07 Jun 06 - 10:09 PM (#1755395) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: The Fooles Troupe I could send you a dollar, then you could say... :-) |
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07 Jun 06 - 10:39 PM (#1755433) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST,Russ Everybody knows that Mickey Dee's hamburgers have earthworms in them and they form the pattys in their armpits. That's the reason for the hair in them. |
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07 Jun 06 - 10:41 PM (#1755436) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: number 6 Jeeeezuz!! God, never gonna eat another one of those aberrations disguised as a hamburger. sIx |
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07 Jun 06 - 10:41 PM (#1755437) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: The Fooles Troupe Welcome Back Marty! |
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07 Jun 06 - 11:09 PM (#1755470) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST,Russ Up in Canada they put whale blubber and moose meat in them. |
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07 Jun 06 - 11:15 PM (#1755478) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: number 6 Yeah, you gotta try it deep fried .... damned good it is! sIx |
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07 Jun 06 - 11:27 PM (#1755484) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST,Russ My wife and I went up to Canada once and on the way back from Dawson, we stopped and bought some moose antlers from indians at a honest to god indian trading post in Pelly crossing in the Yukon. I tied them up on top of the camper and we proceeded to Whitehorse to get an export permit for them. We stopped at the MacDonalds in Whitehorse and asked them for some of those Moose Mcnuggets like we got at the last MacDonalds. They said there was no such thing. I said hell yes there is look at what we found in the dumpster there and pointed to the antlers on top of the camper. Had them going for a while. |
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08 Jun 06 - 01:03 PM (#1755645) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Becca72 Just as a note, Joe, most McDonald's in Maine have lobster rolls in the summer months. But no self respecting Mainer would EVER get one from there. and I also don't bother with either McD's or Burger Yuck (as my friend's son calls it) because both make me feel sick afterward and what's the point in that? |
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08 Jun 06 - 01:04 PM (#1755646) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: catspaw49 Well if you're a masochist Becca, it could be fun! Spaw |
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09 Jun 06 - 01:49 PM (#1756177) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth When it comes to hamburbers in general, let me put it this way: to those who understand, no explanation is necessary. To those who don't, no explanation is possible. Don Firth |
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09 Jun 06 - 01:54 PM (#1756184) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond Ya... and if you think you can get good food at Burger King/McDonalds/Wendy's/Arbys etc. then you obviously don't understand..... |
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09 Jun 06 - 02:10 PM (#1756195) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Man, you're quick, Clinton! Were you waiting in ambush!?? Don Firth |
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09 Jun 06 - 04:57 PM (#1756279) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond Just happened to be ghosting by |
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09 Jun 06 - 05:29 PM (#1756293) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Anonny Mouse Quite a treatise Don. Wow. I will confine my remarks to the original choices. I prefer BK, and their products over McD's. A Whopper is better by FAR than a Big Mac! Also, the "flame broiling" or whatever beats fried on a greasy grill. When walking in the region of our local BK, it literally smells like someone is having a cook-out. I only eat Verrrrrry rarely from any of these types of places. Like, less than once a month. Once in awhile more...but not often. Usually when the wife's out of town, and I'm by myself. Cooking for one is way more work than it's worth. In an "emergency" (on a long trip, hungry, and no BK nearby, wanting it fast) I'll eat PLAIN cheeseburgers at McD's. |
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09 Jun 06 - 05:39 PM (#1756298) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond You don't honestly think that any of the meat served at ANY Burger King ever comes anywhere close to a real flame do you???? |
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09 Jun 06 - 07:39 PM (#1756345) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: The Fooles Troupe We have Hungry Jack's in Australia - supposedly owned by Burger King - I prefer their 'Aussie Burger' - lots of vege stuff thereon - and the burger grills are ususally where you can see them. Their onion rings are to die for. |
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10 Jun 06 - 11:33 AM (#1756723) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Wilfried Schaum None of both, no never no more. Give me a pork rib, with sauerkraut and mashed potatoes, accompanied by some glasses of applewine (the German, but really stronger, equivalent of cider). |
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10 Jun 06 - 12:32 PM (#1756756) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Ron Davies Wolfgang--Ausgezeichnet! That gives the lie (yet again) to the old canard that Germans have no sense of humor. When I was in Germany I found they had a great sense of humor--especially in satire, and telling stories. I remember a song called "Der Jazz kommt aus Hamburg"-- by Udo Juergens, I think-- which, tongue-in-cheek, claimed that jazz had originated in Hamburg, and gave (unlikely) examples. If this be thread creep, make the most of it. |
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10 Jun 06 - 01:01 PM (#1756770) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: catspaw49 If you find farts funny, Germans must be hilarious!!! I mean that meal that Wilfred is having will bring on more than a few blasts from the past. Spaw |
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10 Jun 06 - 01:50 PM (#1756803) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: number 6 A nation that invented the cuckoo clock and the Glockenspiel can't lack from a sense of humour. sIx |
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11 Jun 06 - 10:12 AM (#1757205) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Joe Offer test message --- help me a goat is eating my genitals |
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11 Jun 06 - 02:01 PM (#1757317) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: JennyO A good goat'll do that! Well, someone had to say it... |
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11 Jun 06 - 02:15 PM (#1757323) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: catspaw49 Joe seems to have been doing too much Adam Sandler or something..................... Spaw |
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11 Jun 06 - 04:28 PM (#1757389) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth I probably eat about five or six burgers a year, usually from Burger King or Jack-in-the-Box. Not as a steady diet. I find them quite tasty, but granted, not as good as hamburgers used to be. I don't seriously think they'll do me much harm. I'll be 75 on my next birthday, which is a week from this coming Monday. My weight is right where it should be (actually, I'm a bit slender for my height, but that's fine with me). My pulse is a pretty steady 72 a minute (depending on strenuousness of activity, of course) and the last time my blood pressure was taken (a few months ago), it was 128 over 72. There is the story of actor Charles Laughton, who used to get together with friends on Sunday afternoons to have a few beers and play cards. Some hardnosed bluestocking neighbor complained to the police, invoking some local blue-law about drinking and gambling on The Lord's Day. Laughton and his friends were convicted and fined (no big deal—about like a parking ticket). Before he levied the fine, the judge, a prissy little twit, felt it incumbent upon himself to give Laughton a moral lecture. He ranted on for about fifteen minutes, saying that Laughton, as a public figure and prominent member of the community, ought to set a better example. As Laughton stood before the bench listening to the judge pontificate, he looked a bit like a schoolboy being reprimanded by the headmaster. But when the judge finally ran out of steam, Laughton, in his best Shakespearean voice, intoned like Falstaff : "Because Mary is pure, must I be denied my cakes and ale?" If you don't like 'em, don't eat 'em. By the way, Clinton, how many cigarettes do you smoke a day? Don Firth |
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11 Jun 06 - 04:39 PM (#1757394) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: number 6 "help me a goat is eating my genitals" Joe ... i thought all you 'male' clones were eunuchs? sIx |
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11 Jun 06 - 04:56 PM (#1757406) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: catspaw49 Well sIx, Joe is NOT a clone, he's the original and hence can have genitals......Or at least he did before the goat started eating them. Spaw |
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11 Jun 06 - 08:32 PM (#1757557) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: number 6 Is that how they castrate the clones ?!?! does that mean Joe has been demoted?!?!?! sIx |
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11 Jun 06 - 08:38 PM (#1757562) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Little Hawk What Clinton said: "I don't eat any of that shit." |
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11 Jun 06 - 09:21 PM (#1757606) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Bill D where to get good burgers I found that page doing a search on "Jack's North High Carryout" in Wichita ,Kansas. The place was in business when I moved near there in 1953, and is still in business. They used to pay extra for their meat and, at one time, would not allow Ketchup in the place. "pickle, mustard & onion" was it. You could get chili or cheese on it, but that was a small % of business. (no seating...room for maybe 8-10 people to stand). Small graveled parking lot.....while I was there, a McDonalds open right across the street from Jack's, but "Jack" (about Jack #5, I think) said it didn't affect him at all. The McDonald's is now gone. |
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12 Jun 06 - 08:13 AM (#1757900) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: JennyO This test post is not as interesting as Joe's, but - poker |
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12 Jun 06 - 08:14 AM (#1757901) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: JennyO Good grief, it worked! That wasn't supposed to happen. Nevermind.... |
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12 Jun 06 - 12:19 PM (#1758072) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond When even L Hawk and I agree on something..... |
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12 Jun 06 - 12:21 PM (#1758074) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "Clinton, how many cigarettes do you smoke a day?" What FN business is it of yours, or to this thread, gramps? |
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12 Jun 06 - 02:20 PM (#1758189) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth "Gramps," Clinton!??" Did you learn that from Martin Gibson? YOU should be in my shape when you're my age! You criticize my eating habits, citing health issues. I figure pointing out your habit of ingesting nicotine, tar, and miscellaneous carcinogens is within the same discussiom parameters. Fair is fair, n'est-ce pas? Thanks for posting the link, Bill D. I checked out Washington State and noted the citation of Dick's Drive-In as a good place for burgers. There's a Dick's Drive-In (actually, it's a "walk-up") just a few blocks from where I live, and I've consumed a fair number of their burgers. I concur. They are good. In terms of ingredients, they're top rate. BUT--they often let the burgers sit in a warming oven for too long, and sometimes their burgers lack the flavor that the fresher burgers dispensed at Burger King a few blocks down the street (now closed, unfortunately), albeit they MAY be made of ingredients which might not be as good as those in Dick's. Don Firth |
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12 Jun 06 - 02:37 PM (#1758204) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond " You criticize my eating habits" Not in the least I'm not.... I'm saying your perception of the food you get at Burger King is erroneous.... I couldn't care any less what you put in your wrinkled carcass.... "is within the same discussiom parameters" I have never claimed that the few smokes I have a week are good, fresh or healthful, have I??? You've simply been unable to defend your error and so think you can deflect it by trying to make an attack on me..... Bullshit.... it doesn't work like that.... No attack on me is gonna change the fact that you're flat out wrong. "Did you learn that from Martin Gibson?" Like that.... Whisky Tango Foxtrot does Martin Gibson have to do with ANYTHING we're discussing here? Abso-FKNG-lootly nothing! Except as a lame attempt at an ad hominem attack.... Maybe you should get yourself a copy of that Nintendo DS program for old people that helps them exercise their minds.... Brain Age |
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12 Jun 06 - 03:01 PM (#1758227) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth "Error" in your judgment. Clinton, your even sweeter than I thought. Over and out. End of discussion. Don Firth |
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12 Jun 06 - 03:05 PM (#1758234) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth One more point and then I'm out of this thread. The ad hominem attack began with your use of the epithet "gramps." That's what evoked memories of Martin Gibson. I knew you were a cranky bugger, but I didn't think you'd resort to his tactics. Maybe a re-evaluation is in order? Don Firth |
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12 Jun 06 - 03:09 PM (#1758238) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond Don't go away mad, Don.... |
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12 Jun 06 - 03:36 PM (#1758257) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Not mad, Clinton, it's just that the hassle isn't worth it. I don't want to fight with you, especially over something as stupid as our disparate taste in hamburgers. I believe the expression is "one man's meat is another man's poison." Let's just let it lay there, okay? Don Firth |
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12 Jun 06 - 03:44 PM (#1758262) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "it's just that the hassle isn't worth it" You've been saying that for about a page-and-a-half of posts, and yet here you remain.... Is there something here you need? You keep saying you're going to leave the thread.... so leave already...... "one man's meat is another man's poison" Crap is crap.... You decide if you want to eat it or not.... I chose not..... |
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12 Jun 06 - 03:51 PM (#1758270) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Jeezuz! You are a cranky bugger! I may go, I may stay, whatever suits my fancy. And no, I don't need anything. thanks. Don Firth |
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12 Jun 06 - 04:23 PM (#1758290) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "Jeezuz! You are a cranky bugger!" If that means I'm not gonna roll over for you, you're right.... I am.... "I don't need anything" You must need something.... or you'da left when you said you were leaving the first 4 times..... I suspect that MGs theory about some Catters and their apparent pathological need for conflict has some substance after all..... So, well, you want us to take you at your word that Burger King provides good food? Back it up with some facts.... cause all the facts out here so far say that it's exactly the same fast food crap as Wendys/McDonalds/Arbys/Pizza Hut/Subway/Taco Bell..... All your attempts at deflection haven't changed that one iota. |
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12 Jun 06 - 04:43 PM (#1758306) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: number 6 No mention of A&W here in this thread. sIx |
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12 Jun 06 - 04:55 PM (#1758314) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond Ya... we talked about their Root Beer a page or so ago..... |
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12 Jun 06 - 05:12 PM (#1758327) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Clinton doesn't like that either. . . . |
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12 Jun 06 - 05:32 PM (#1758342) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond Did I say that? No... I said that it was better than NO Root Beer.... Get your facts straight Don.... Or does the home have you over-medicated? |
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12 Jun 06 - 05:58 PM (#1758371) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Joe Offer Let's try another test.... hold'em right there. -Joe Poker- |
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12 Jun 06 - 06:27 PM (#1758402) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Bill D burgers, kids...burgers! Go to my link, like Don did, and read about BURGERS in your area...sheesh! |
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12 Jun 06 - 10:51 PM (#1758566) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Obviously I've lost it! I've become a senile old man, fit only for sitting in the corner, drooling, and spilling my Geritol on my lap robe. How could I possibly have thought that the person who said A&W root beer is "Tasteless, bland, mass-produced crap!!!!" meant that he doesn't like it? Pardon me while I wander off, muttering to myself, and bumping into the walls. . . . Don — uh — what's my name? |
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13 Jun 06 - 07:47 AM (#1758755) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Paco Rabanne McDonalds. |
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13 Jun 06 - 12:04 PM (#1758934) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond A&W root beer -is- "Tasteless, bland, mass-produced crap"! But it's still better than NO Root Beer... |
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13 Jun 06 - 01:45 PM (#1758998) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Brass Monkey Why is everyone talking about burgers and root beer? I always thought these establishments were convenient toilets and I've always used them as such. Thankyou Mr Mcdonald & Burger King for providing conveniences for those uncomfortable high street moments. |
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13 Jun 06 - 02:12 PM (#1759028) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Okay, I'll buy that. Now, one might make the erroneous assumption that because I find Burger King hamburgers not just palatable but much preferable to other fast-food hamburgers is because I really don't know much about the full range of hamburger quality, and that I can't really recognize a bad hamburger when I encounter one. Well, in the article I posted above, I think I've indicated fairly well that I do know a good—really good—hamburger when I encounter one. Anyone who ate at the Hasty Tasty or Bob Murray's Doghouse may denigrate them as a matter of humor (such as referring to the Hasty Tasty as the "Nasty Tasty"), or some sort of pseudo-sophisticated pose, denigrating hamburgers in general because they much prefer filet mignon (well, who wouldn't? But, of course, they can't afford it). In any case, the verdict of nutritionists that I have cited above cannot simply be dismissed if one wants to be realistic about the matter. I do indeed know really bad hamburgers. I have faced the very nadir of hamburgerdom While going through my files, I encountered a section of the article I posted above which I had excised from the article on the advise of a friend of mine who was worried about the possibility of a libel suit because I tended to be a bit unkind about the fare served by the Boeing food service when I worked at Billy Boeing's Kite Factory some decades ago. Well, in those intervening decades, the food service, an independent outside contractor, not an actual division of the Boeing Airplane Company, has gone out of business. "How strange," I say to myself, with a wry smile. Besides, a plaintiff can make a charge of libel stick only if it can be proven that what the defendant wrote was untrue. And even at this late date, I'm quite sure I could find many witnesses to substantiate the veracity of what I wrote. And what I wrote lies just below. In the original draft, it was between when I returned from Denver and my discussion of Bob Murray's Doghouse. I worked as a production illustrator for the Boeing Airplane Company from January 1966 to March 1970. I quickly learned to bring my own lunch rather than rely on the food service Boeing contracted. First, you had to stand in line, sometimes for most of the forty minutes that Boeing allowed you for lunch. Often, by the time you finally got past the cash register, you had to eat on the run, dashing back to your drawing table before the whistle blew. Second, there was the food itself. The sandwiches had been stored under refrigeration for Lord knows how long, and the fillings -egg salad, tuna salad, chicken salad, ham and cheese, whatever -all had that same flat "I've recently been chipped out of a 250,000-year-old glacier" flavor, and the bread tasted like soggy cardboard. There were small bags of things like potato chips, tortilla chips, and cheese puffs; and dessert items like Twinkies, Ho-Hos, and cupcakes, and a selection of candy bars; but everything was overpriced. Of course, one could opt for a hamburger. But I wouldn't advise it. The hamburgers were laid out in neat rows in the drawer of a large stainless steel warming oven whose heat was provided by flickering pale blue flames from several cans of Sterno. Each hamburger was packaged in a waxed paper sandwich bag. Beads of greasy moisture cling to the inside of the waxed paper. This was why people called them "sweatburgers." They were plain: patty and bun only. The patties were oddly uniform. About three and a half inches in diameter and half an inch thick; as precisely disk shaped and sharp edged as a hockey puck, they looked like they'd all been sawed off the same cylinder. They may well have been. They were covered with small, gray bubbles and greasy globules. Any condiments you wanted, you had to add yourself, but mustard and ketchup were all that was available. First, you discovered that you had to shake the nearly empty containers and coax the contents to come out. Then you found yourself holding up a line of rushed and very impatient co-workers as you stood there making rude noises with plastic squeeze bottles. Despite its precise appearance and crisp looking edges, when you bit into it, the tactile feedback was all wrong. Your teeth and jaws met little or no resistance. There was no sensation of your teeth breaking through the soft crust of a fresh bun, none of the firm but yielding substance characteristic of a hamburger patty. It was like biting into a mush sandwich. I theorize that this lack of cohesion had two causes: First, the meat. It was undoubtedly some inexpensive commercial hamburger mix, further diluted with a mixture of cereal or stale bread crumbs and a small quantity of chopped onion. There may have been other ingredients, but sometimes it's best not to inquire. Second, this meat-flavored mush-cake obviously held together adequately enough while it was being cooked and placed in the bun. But then, the assembled sandwich was wrapped in a waxed paper bag and placed in the drawer of a warming oven. There, it resided for an indefinite period while it basted itself in its own grease. How did it taste? You don't want to know. One of these was enough. I started bringing my lunch. Respectfully submitted for your amusement and amazement. Don Firth |
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13 Jun 06 - 02:28 PM (#1759040) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond "The patties were oddly uniform.... they looked like they'd all been sawed off the same cylinder." So, just like Burger King...... |
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13 Jun 06 - 02:39 PM (#1759052) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth I don't know about the Burger Kings you've been to, Clinton, but they're not that way in the ones I've been to. Maybe we're just lucky out here. That IS possible, you know. Don Firth |
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13 Jun 06 - 02:41 PM (#1759053) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond ALL Burger Kings are the same Don.... just like all McDonalds are.... and all Wendy's.... They all serve CRAP..... |
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13 Jun 06 - 03:22 PM (#1759092) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Don Firth Okay, just keep on believing that. But I've traveled sufficiently to know that although they try to claim they are, not all chain fast-food places are the same in terms of quality. Perhaps you should get out of Windsor now and then and see something of the world. What you're saying is not a matter of actual knowledge, it's pure assumption. Some people call that "faith." Don Firth |
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13 Jun 06 - 03:28 PM (#1759096) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Clinton Hammond Believe what you need to..... I'm not giving your opinion any more weight than what it's worth.... (Is it possible to make change of a tinkers-cuss?) |
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20 Jul 06 - 10:49 PM (#1788817) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST "I probably eat about five or six burgers a year, usually from Burger King or Jack-in-the-Box." - Don I watched an interesting documentary on the Sundance channel called 'Hamburger America'. There was a burger there in Milwaukee called the butter burger. I still think that's healthy for you than any burger from a fast food joint. video clip of show |
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20 Jul 06 - 10:51 PM (#1788819) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST http://www.hamburgeramerica.com/ |
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21 Jul 06 - 07:31 AM (#1789020) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: catspaw49 I wrote about Hamburger America on another thread and it is a really great program. The butter burger joint is next door to a hospital or a medical building of some sort. All of these folks are great to listen to......the passion for the burger!!! Hilarious at times and just plain entertaining to watch! Next viewing on Sundance is July 28 .....check the site. Worth watching just for the fun of it. Spaw |
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21 Jul 06 - 03:32 PM (#1789309) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Uncle_DaveO Lepus Rex asked (in connections) where one could get a brain sandwich. I was just about to give my emphatic answer when I followed the levels of links and found the site that gave the correct answer: Evansville, Indiana. I don't get down from Indianapolis to Evansville very often any more, but brain sandwiches are a local delicacy that I always looked forward to when I was there. The other "must-eat" in Evansville is open-pit barbecue. In those days it was at either Mac's or Wolf's. Not that sloppy mush, and not even ribs swimming in something like ketchup, either. The ribs or pit slices are (relatively) dry to the touch, but the waitress will give you a little pitcher of extra sauce (HOT or not, per your order) at the table. Wolf's also used to have barbecued mutton. Not my preference. Evansville barbecue is quite different from, and quite superior (in my opinion) to any other barbecue I've ever found, anywhere! Dave Oesterreich |
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22 Jul 06 - 01:04 AM (#1789656) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST Good Heavens Don and Clinton! You guys should drop all this hostility and admit the passion you have for one another, boiling just below the surface. . . As for the thread. . . I think I agree with the majority here. Fast food burgers suck. I won't eat McDonalds or BK, unless I'm trapped in an airport where that's my only choice. Best fast food in the world? The fried clams (with bellies) at Sea Swirl in Mystic, CT. One shouldn't make a habit of eating them, but for a treat they are extraordinarily good. |
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22 Jul 06 - 02:00 AM (#1789674) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Slag McD's was never palatable. Never will be. BK was good in the beginning but success sent it the way of all flesh (intended). Only desparation or mental illness could send me there now. With 21st century plagues like "hep C" and worse about and the severe down trend in moral responsiblity I try not to eat out at all. With regards to the eating of flesh, its just life. All life does it in some form or another. If you aren't willing to kill it, clean it, cook it you shouldn't be eating it. As for veagans or vegetarians or whatever they call themselves, well that's what all prey animals do. They capture and kill poor semi-defenseless little herbs that can't get up and run away so they desrve similar treatment. Next time your sstanding before a mirror, flashing that big toothy grin, check out those little babies we call "eye teeth" or "canines". Those aren't made for munchin' bananas or asparagus. My bias runs in the same direction nature intended with those little rippers but I won't judge you if you choose to rumminate with the herd animals. Bless you. But if times get really lean... |
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22 Jul 06 - 03:44 AM (#1789696) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Liz the Squeak Hey.. some of that asparagus can be really tough you know?! LTS (Lapsed vegetarian) |
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22 Jul 06 - 09:06 PM (#1790281) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: GUEST fuck those places. two tacos for 99 cents at jack 'n the box. best deal ever. you can stuff yourself for 3 or 4 bucks. 5 if you're a fatass. |
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23 Jul 06 - 06:51 AM (#1790552) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: Lepus Rex Ah, Evansville! Thanks, Dave. And to think I've always just sped through southern Indiana. ---Lepus Rex |
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23 Jul 06 - 11:06 PM (#1791271) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: kendall I put McDonalds in the same category as EXXON. I'd starve first. |
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23 Jul 06 - 11:17 PM (#1791279) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: number 6 Ruby Tuesday's veggie burger. sIx |
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24 Jul 06 - 01:18 AM (#1791325) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: mrdux I haven't eaten at either McD or BK in a lot of years -- can't remember the last time -- and won't, except in dire emergency. Out here in the I-5 corridor, between Albany OR and Centralia WA is a small (39 stores) local chain of fast food joints called Burgerville. They're heavily involved in local produce and sustainable agriculture. They use only Food Alliance Certified sustainably raised beef from Oregon Country Beef (no hormones, antibiotics, genetically modified grain or any animal by-products), Tillamook cheeses, locally grown fresh berries in their milkshakes, Walla Walla sweet onion rings in season. . . All of this may be well and good in a political sense, but the truth is that the pepper-bacon cheeseburger is a pretty decent fast food burger. Not something I'm supposed to be eating much of anymore, but every now and then. . . michael PS -- I hear they're looking to open in Seattle. |
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24 Jul 06 - 07:20 AM (#1791514) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: kendall On very rare occasions I will stoop to a Whopper, but McDonalds? No way. They remind me of a girlfriend I had tasteless, very little substance, soggy buns... |
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24 Jul 06 - 09:49 AM (#1791607) Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King From: number 6 Eloquently stated Kendall. sIx |