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17 Jun 06 - 04:53 AM (#1762048) Subject: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: GUEST,jOhn Hello Today there is free concert by asy;lum seekers in Queens Gardens in Hull. [thats the big park thing, in middle of town]. this is run by hull council, and is every year, i went last year and it was really nice. and tommorow there is Dhoad Gypsies at Beverley, i never heard them before, but local papers reckon it will be good. if you like to know more about it. just look at hull city council website. |
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17 Jun 06 - 05:11 AM (#1762055) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: Manitas_at_home Newham also has a similar concert in the park at this time of year run by a refugee organisation. I came across it by accident a couple of years ago and heard some really good music |
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17 Jun 06 - 05:22 AM (#1762066) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: GUEST,jOhn Oh. |
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17 Jun 06 - 06:48 AM (#1762091) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: GUEST How's the taxi business jOhn? |
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17 Jun 06 - 06:50 AM (#1762092) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: Folkiedave You might ask your local council if these areas are regulated for entertainment under the Licensing Act 2003. |
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17 Jun 06 - 07:36 AM (#1762102) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: greg stephens Hull has some sense. I have been working for five or six years now on multi-cultural music projects in Stoke-on-Trent, particularly involving asylum seekers. Trying to get people (council or anyone else) to put events on involving these musicians is like banging ypur head against a brick wall, but without the pleasure. |
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17 Jun 06 - 09:16 AM (#1762145) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: GUEST Hasn't been very well publicised this concert in Hull today though, has it? |
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17 Jun 06 - 11:00 AM (#1762199) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: Dave the Gnome There is a recent immigrants 'showcase' concert on Sunday 25th at Peel Hall in Salford. It was a good do last year but I refuse to get involved with Bosnian guitarists and Scottish fiddle players in the local pub after. I was off work for 2 days! Dunno where the Scots lad was seeking asylum from either;-) Nice to see councils all over the country getting into this type of stuff - I think it is very important. But the 'disorganised' session after in the pub was far better in my opinion. Probably did more to cement relationships and friendships as well:-) Cheers DtG |
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17 Jun 06 - 05:29 PM (#1762419) Subject: Lyr Add: A FULL ACCOUNT OF TWELVE YOUNG WOMEN... From: GUEST,Jack Campin Hull seems to have learned a bit. Here's their response to foreigners in 1829 (from a broadside now in the National Library of Scotland): A FULL ACCOUNT OF TWELVE YOUNG WOMEN, Who were smothered on TUESDAY, in the infirmary at Hull, being effected with an incurable disease. A German ship arrived in this port on the 23rd of June, 1829 having 30 hands on board, and when the vessel got into harbour, immediately a number of unfortunate females went on board, to barter both their souls and bodies for a trifling sum of money. It is the nature of sin to carry with it its own punishment, and the awful denunciation of God's displeasure commences in this, and terminates in the terrors of an other world: for the foreigners infested a disease of such an infectious and dreadful nature, that it baffled the skill of the most eminent and experienced of the faculty, and proved too stubborn for any antidote to cure. After every means had been used without producing the desired effect, the symptoms of this dreadful malady became more and more alarming: the flesh turned yellow, then spongy as a honey comb, and afterwards black and began to drop from their bones. So offensive was the stench that arose from their bodies that no person, however desirous, could approach their beds or give them any relief. On Saturday, a consultation of the medical gentlemen, connected with the infirmary was held, when after a long conference, they came to the awful decision, that these wretched women should be smothered with nitre and sulphre, the easiest and most effectual method of putting a stop to the raging infection. THE NAMES OF THESE UNFORTUNATE WOMEN ARE Jane Williams, aged 19, and Mary Williams 16, of Newcastle; Eliza Watson, 15, of Leeds; Mary Evans, 20, of North Shields; Maria Sager, 29, and Sarah Rich, 17, of Halifax; Catherine Howell, 17, of Salford; Ann Lloyd, 19, and Eliza Bennet, 18, of Sheffield; Mary Parry, 18, of Wrexham; Sarah Jones, 19, and Ellen Davis, 18, of Chester. Verses on their melancholy End. Lament, lament, the woeful fate Of twelve young females dear, Who suffer'd a sad death of late, Most painful for to hear. Now let all those young women know, Who stray from Virtue's ways, That vice did prove their overthrow, And shortened their days. A foreign ship in port arriv'd, Of thirty hands or so, And twelve gay damsels young and blythe, Straight on board did go. And their a loathsome vile disease, Infectious and foul, Did on these twelve young women size, And rag'd beyond control. Their flesh did rot upon their bones, Spungy, like honey comb, Their dismal cries, and sighs, and moans, Would pierce a heart of stone. The doctors to their pain and grief, Beheld their sufferings great, But could afford them no relief, The plague for to abate. All human means being tried in vain, But could not mend the case, To put the sufferers out of pain, An awful scene took place. The dread infection to destroy, Which through the town might spread, Their precious lives were sacrific'd. They smother'd were in bed. Printed by Kay and Simpson, for J. Robson. What next? Hartlepool holds a Be Nice to Monkeys Day? (I haven't found any corroboration of this event, though the symptoms correspond to a haemorrhagic virus like Ebola so well that the disease itself might not have been made up). |
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17 Jun 06 - 05:41 PM (#1762425) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: Ron Davies How did it work with broadsides? Is it possible they would have made up those names of the deceased girls (it's really striking that they were 15, 16 etc.)? Wouldn't it have been based on a real event? |
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17 Jun 06 - 06:32 PM (#1762458) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: greg stephens My mum always taught me that diseases were caused by germans, that's why you have to wash all the time. |
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17 Jun 06 - 07:19 PM (#1762496) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: JamesBerriman Being born in Hull and having lived most of my adult life in Stoke-on-Trent, I feel strangely drawn to this thread. Hull does have a few things to be proud of. William Wilberforce for one, who displayed quite an enlightened attitude to foreigners. So far, I'm successfully fighting off the temptation to try out Jack's broadside at Beverley tomorrow... James |
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17 Jun 06 - 09:35 PM (#1762550) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: Bonecruncher Possibly Guest Jack Campin's broadside sheet and ballad should be published on one of the genealogy websites. It may help researchers to find lost ancestors. Colyn. |
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18 Jun 06 - 04:19 AM (#1762643) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: breezy is that how the word 'germ' entered into our vocabulary ? |
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18 Jun 06 - 03:08 PM (#1762977) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: JamesBerriman But is that entirely Germane to the subject under discussion? |
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19 Jun 06 - 06:58 AM (#1763503) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: manitas_at_work Getting back to the subject, the fete I referred to above is taking place on 24th June in Central Park, East Ham,London, E6 if anyone is in the area. |
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15 Aug 06 - 06:49 AM (#1810194) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: GUEST,jOhn they doing another one, its on sunday, in pearson park, starts at 12 dinnertime. |
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18 Oct 14 - 03:58 PM (#3670320) Subject: RE: Foreigners & Gypsies in Hull From: Jack Campin Seems like an appropriate time to re-activate this thread. I've got some cholera songs stashed away somewhere too. |