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25 Jun 06 - 07:47 PM (#1768995) Subject: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Bat Goddess No, I've got the words and the tune. Also, the voice in my head singing it is Giok (hey, Giok -- do you sing it? Did you sing it at the Press Room or at Sinsull's?) Anywho, I KNOW I've heard it a couple times lately (meaning the past couple months) on CD in my car -- maybe the same recording; maybe several recordings. I've been through the pile o' CDs that I know I've been listening to over the past few months. But probably not all of them. It's just something that's driving me as crazy as an ear worm -- maybe one of you will mention the recording(s) I've got and that will not only narrow it down, it will answer the question that's got me lying awake nights! (Yeah, I know -- I need a life.) Mudcat's bailed me out before. Thank you for whatever information comes my way. Linn |
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25 Jun 06 - 07:47 PM (#1768996) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Greg B Steeleye Span? |
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25 Jun 06 - 07:52 PM (#1768998) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Declan Steeleye may well be correct. I remember an Irish version from the late 60s/early 70s. May have been the Johnstons? |
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25 Jun 06 - 08:03 PM (#1769002) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST,Jon try this as a starter. |
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25 Jun 06 - 08:53 PM (#1769031) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST,thurg I first heard it on a record by John Allen Cameron. |
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25 Jun 06 - 09:52 PM (#1769057) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST,Art Thieme 1959---first recording I ever heard of this song. It was done wonderfully, on his first album, by the one and only---SANDY PATON !!! This was his Elektra LP called The Many Sides Of Sandy Paton--the front cover of which can be viewed at my photo website: http://rudegnu.com/art_thieme.html It was a much better album than Sandy would ever admit!! ;-) Art Thieme |
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25 Jun 06 - 09:55 PM (#1769060) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Rapparee The Clancy Brothers recorded it. |
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25 Jun 06 - 11:05 PM (#1769094) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Abby Sale I have Isla Cameron from back then. It was a standard of Barbara Dickson but I don't know if she recorded it. Google shows a few - Makem.. |
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26 Jun 06 - 12:42 AM (#1769104) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Anglo Jeannie Robertson (also Ellen Mitchell on the Musical Traditions CD Kevin & Ellen Mitchell) |
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26 Jun 06 - 01:30 AM (#1769109) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Big Tim Sweeney's Men too. |
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26 Jun 06 - 02:15 AM (#1769114) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Little Robyn It was also recorded here in NZ by The Tartan Clansmen but I doubt you would have heard that one. (My husband was a member of the Tarts for a few years). Robyn |
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26 Jun 06 - 03:39 AM (#1769138) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Folkiedave It is my wife´s favourite song. She hasn´t recorded it though. I sing Tom Lehrer´s "She´s My girl" as a reply. |
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26 Jun 06 - 03:45 AM (#1769141) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Dave Hanson Ray Fisher. eric |
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26 Jun 06 - 04:13 AM (#1769151) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: John MacKenzie Yes Linn I did sing it at Sinsull's, I learnt it from Alex Campbell way back in the dark ages. I do believe he also recorded it. Giok |
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26 Jun 06 - 07:44 AM (#1769228) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Bat Goddess Hmm...I HAVE been listening to Ray Fisher lately, but I didn't think it was on the CD I've been listening to. Will have to check it out further. Thanks, Jon, for the search at Amazon -- that hadn't occurred to me. (But it also didn't turn up anything I've been listening to lately.) And what I've been listening to lately (too) has been Art Thieme -- but you didn't record it, did you, Art? Trying to reconstruct what I've been listening to for the past several months is an interesting project... Linn |
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26 Jun 06 - 07:50 AM (#1769230) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST,Jon It wasn't Amazon, Linn, it was the Gracenote CDDB I used. |
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26 Jun 06 - 08:33 AM (#1769252) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Rasener I have the version by Steeleye Span on a taster CD Park Recordings PRKCD37 Various Artists - Park Taster CD PRKCD37 Park Taster CD £5.50 Description An exciting collection featuring tracks from some of Park's most successful albums. Tracks 1. The Fox - Steeleye Span 2. The Jovial Beggar - Maddy Prior & The Carnival Band 3. The Old Maid In The Garrett - Steeleye Span 4. The Galway Farmer - Davey Arthur 5. Africa - The Guitar Orchestra 6. Marigold / Harvest Home - Maddy Prior 7. Jacko Diamonds - Wild Willy Barrett 8. Lady Diamond - Steeleye Span 9. Bewcastle - Maddy Prior & The Carnival Band 10. Commit The Crime - Maddy Prior 11. The Boar's Head - Maddy Prior & The Carnival Band 12. So Early In The Spring - Pentangle 13. A Pernod For The Bamboo Man (Aperitif) - The Guitar Orchestra 14. Boys of Bedlam (live) - Maddy Prior 15. The Rolling English Road (live) - Maddy Prior http://www.parkrecords.com/index.php |
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26 Jun 06 - 09:51 AM (#1769311) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Mark Ross I seem to remember Debbie McClatchy singing it, way back when. Donn't know if she ever recorded the song though. Mark Ross |
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26 Jun 06 - 12:53 PM (#1769430) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST,Auldtimer Anyone who ever heard Lizzie Higgins sing this song will be aware of her alternative ending. Stuned many an audence. |
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26 Jun 06 - 01:02 PM (#1769440) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Folkiedave That´s the one my wife sings.......... (See above) |
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26 Jun 06 - 06:37 PM (#1769639) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST,graciek There is a version on the Steelye Span recording "Time" featuring Maddy Prior and Gay Woods. _ Grace |
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26 Jun 06 - 07:21 PM (#1769666) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Declan Big Tim I think you're right that the Irish hit was Sweeney's rather than the Johnsons. My memory of it sounds like Johnny Moynihan. If my memory serves me correctly the (recorded) Steeleye version dates back to the 90s when Gay Woods rejoined the group rather than her original stint with the band in the early days. |
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27 Jun 06 - 07:36 AM (#1770047) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Bat Goddess Still haven't figured out which CD(s) it was on that I was listening to. Not the Ray Fisher, not the Maddy Prior. I'm not seeing it by that title at least on a 2 CD compilation I was listening to a couple weeks ago. There's a couple things I have to find time to check out. This is worse than an ear worm! Thanks for all the suggestions -- but none of them have hit it yet. Linn |
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27 Jun 06 - 07:45 AM (#1770052) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Rasener Linn Have a look at this link, it might be one of these Old Maid In The Garrett Cheers Les |
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27 Jun 06 - 08:01 AM (#1770061) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Scrump Yes, definitely the first version I remember from around 1967 (?) was by the original Sweeney's Men. It was issued as a 45 rpm Pye single b/w their version of the Derby Ram. I had a copy of it on an old Pye album of Irish Folk Hits, which included both tracks, as well as some by the Johnstons and other Irish bands and singers. I still sing it occasionally, mine being based on the Sweeney's Men version. |
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27 Jun 06 - 08:22 AM (#1770069) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Big Tim Yes Declan, it was Sweeney's Men, dated 1967. I think it was quite a hit in Ireland, tho not sure as I was then living in England. (Actually, I don't like the song, finding it rather too music hall, and too cruel for my taste). A double CD, 'The Legend of Sweeney's Men: anthology' has recently been issued on the Castle label. 41 tracks in total, including such delights as 'Willie o' Winsbury', 'Dark-Eyed Sailor', and, 'Hiram Hubbard', and some early Woods tracks. Plus detailed sleeve notes. |
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27 Jun 06 - 12:01 PM (#1770265) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Jim McLean Yes, it is a bit music hall, Big Tim. I remeber an auntie singing it round the piano about 60 years ago. She sang either 'parrot' or 'carrot' depending upon how many wee nips she had partaken of! |
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27 Jun 06 - 05:54 PM (#1770573) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST,Jon pfaff I recorded it as 'Joan in the Garret' on a CD about 10 years ago. |
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27 Jun 06 - 07:33 PM (#1770660) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Declan Big Tim, I have the "Tracks of Sweeney" CD which has most of the same things on it - the full 1968 CD plus their other major album relase on one CD. The 'legend of ' CD seems to contain a fair amount of extra material? |
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27 Jun 06 - 08:42 PM (#1770720) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Joybell Jim, that's interesting because a song-collector friend just asked me if I'd ever heard "carrot" in place of "parrot" in this song. He heard it this way from a singer recently. I never had although I've known this song for over 40 years. Makes more sense really. Cheers, Joy |
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27 Jun 06 - 09:26 PM (#1770751) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Deckman Art ... You're quite right. It was none other than SANDY PATON on his first recording ... where he was wearing MANY HATS on the album cover! CHEERS, Bob |
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28 Jun 06 - 02:51 AM (#1770875) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Big Tim The Sweeney's Men 'Legend' bonus tracks,are, The Capital Show Band - The Black Velvet Band. Johnny Kelly - The Nightingale. The Capital Showband - The Streets of Baltimore. The Capital Showband - McAlpine's Fusiliers. The Capital Showband - Bottle of Wine. Annie Briggs - Willie o' Winsbury. Steeleye Span - Dark-Eyed Sailor. Steeleye Span - Lowlands of Holland. The Woods Band - Dreams for Me. Annie Briggs - Sullivan's John. Rain on the Roof - Baneasa's Green Glade. Rain on the Roof - My Heart's Tonight in Ireland. At £9.99 is a great bargain. |
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28 Jun 06 - 05:43 AM (#1770964) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Kevin Sheils I'll have to add that newer Sweeneys compilation next time I'm ordering. I had the earlier CD reissue of the two old LPs (my vinyl copies being somewhat knackered) but after having to return the third copy to my shop becuase of a fault on the CD I gave up on it. The newer CD looks most interesting. |
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28 Jun 06 - 07:38 AM (#1771003) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Bat Goddess Definitely not Sweeney's Men that I've been listening to -- or any of the others listed. And it's definitely not on the only Ray Fisher CD that I own (everything else is on LP) and actually HAVE been listening to lately. Speaking of alternate titles, could I have been listening to a CD with an alternate title listed on the outside so that my ear is telling me I heard it, but when I check the label, I'm not finding it? What are alternate titles for the song? Linn |
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28 Jun 06 - 11:10 AM (#1771176) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: JennyO I used to sing this song in a duo with another woman, and when we came to the carrot/parrot verse, we always pretended to 'accidentally' sing carrot and correct it to parrot, as a joke. It always got a laugh! |
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28 Jun 06 - 01:36 PM (#1771304) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Declan Big Tim, Thanks for the information. I'll keep and eye out for this disk. |
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28 Jun 06 - 07:08 PM (#1771511) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Chris Cole Mary Humphreys used to sing this - not sure if she still does. Attend one of her sessions at Sidmouth (which will, no doubt, be excellent) and encourage her to sing her version. Mary.. if you see this, you have time to practice. |
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29 Jun 06 - 05:38 AM (#1771825) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST,Hootenanny Did Sandy Paton learn this song from Joan and Rena Swankie when he used to appear at the Ballads and Blues Club in London I wonder? Does anybody know if Joan (Read) and Rena (Jerrom) still sing together? Hoot |
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29 Jun 06 - 06:20 AM (#1771843) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Rasener Maybe Mary & Anahata could be persuaded to do that on when they appear at Market Rasen Folk Club :-) |
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01 Jul 06 - 07:00 AM (#1773383) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST,Galway Joe Dolan We(Johnny Moynihan,Andy Irvine and myself)recorded this on pye in Dublin,1966-Andy did the singing.We sang "The Derby Ram" on the other side with Andy and meself swapping verse and verse about. Hope that helps. Joe Dolan. |
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01 Jul 06 - 07:12 AM (#1773388) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: DMcG For what it is worth, a good way of answering this type of question general is to look at GraceNote. This is the CDDB database, so contains all the tracks from some 5 million CDs - and many CDRippers can add the track names of anything they grab to CDDB, so it keeps fairly current. Of course, it omits most things before the CD era. |
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01 Jul 06 - 04:19 PM (#1773680) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Tootler I first heard this song back in the 60's, but I can't remember who was singing it. My memory suggests that it was Julie Felix, but I don't entirely trust my memory Geoff |
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01 Jul 06 - 04:33 PM (#1773682) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: John MacKenzie To creep slightly, I saw Sullivan's John on a list of tracks further back and thought, 'Oh I love that song', but I can't find it in the DT, not under S anyway. If it isn't there [I'm probably wrong] why not? It's a song I love. Giok |
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01 Jul 06 - 11:42 PM (#1773850) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Sandy Paton No, guest Hootenanny. I learned it from Lizzie Higgins and her mother, Jeannie Robertson. My wife and I stayed with them in Aberdeen for a week in September, 1958. We had planned to camp outside of town, but Jeannie wouldn't hear of it. So we spread our sleeping bags out in the front room of their tiny house. In the mornings, Isaac, Donald Higgins' brother (Donald was Jeannie's husband, Lizzie's father), would bring us tea and scones, served to us "in bed." Every evening we sang, and sang, and then sang some more when neighbors dropped in to share the music. Jeannie kept asking me to sing the Virginia version of Mattie Groves that I had learned from Paul Clayton. Later, I heard two English singers singing that melody, with a good Scottish text worked out for it, and read that they had learned it from Jeannie. Lizzie informed us that the REAL way to end "The Auld Maid in a Garret" was "I'll dee an auld maid in a garret. Wi' a carrot." Polite singers sang, "wi' a parrot," as did I when I recorded it for Elektra in 1959. I figured that was the wiser course, since I was earning my family's living by doing school assembly programs at that time, and felt some school authorities might object to hiring a singer of such bawdy material. Sandy |
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02 Jul 06 - 06:41 AM (#1773961) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Dave Sutherland Alex Campbell did record it on his Xtra "Alex Campbell" LP released around 1964. I also heard Isobel Sutherland sing it around this time but I don't know if she actually recorded it. |
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02 Jul 06 - 06:45 AM (#1773964) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: cptsnapper I don't think that Rena Jerrom & Joan Read still sing together: the last that I knew Rena was living in Bedford & Joan still up in Glasgow - but that was a few years ago. |
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02 Jul 06 - 11:39 AM (#1774088) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Big Tim Re 'Sullivan's John', this is an old song of the Travelling People, based on fact, usually credited to Pecker Dunne, but almost certainly not in fact written by him, tho he probably re-wrote it somewhat. The lyrics will almost certainly be online somewhere. If they don't turn up, I'll post them later. Joe 'Nelson's Farewell' Dolan? |
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02 Jul 06 - 12:48 PM (#1774120) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST,Art Thieme Sandy, Thanks for that fine reminiscence of the time you and Caroline stayed with the great singer herself and family. I could see and hear you all as I read it. Jeanie Robertson was one of the great voices of the last century. (I want a scone now in the worst way!!) I did mention your recording of this song in an earlier post. Art |
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02 Jul 06 - 01:16 PM (#1774134) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Big Mick Funny thing, Art. As soon as I read Sandy's post, I hauled out my copy of the field recordings and played them. Imagine the thrill of being in that room, listening to that voice. I just close my eyes and imagine........ Mick |
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02 Jul 06 - 02:11 PM (#1774157) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Effsee Isabel Sutherland recorded this song on her eponymous album. Folk Classic Series, EFDSS, LP1007, 1974. |
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02 Jul 06 - 03:55 PM (#1774212) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST,Art Thieme I'm wondering if Garrett Warner is named after this song!? (Bet he's glad they didn't call him Carrot-----or even Parrot! ;>) art |
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02 Jul 06 - 08:22 PM (#1774357) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Deckman YIPPEE!!!! My memory was correct! I did first hear this on Sandy's record. Bob |
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03 Jul 06 - 06:59 AM (#1774588) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Big Tim Alex Campbell recorded it in 1965 on his XTRA 1014 album, 'Alex Campbell'. |
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13 Jul 06 - 11:57 AM (#1782694) Subject: RE: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST Does anyone know the guitar chords for old maid in the garrett PLEASE |
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23 Jul 21 - 08:06 PM (#4114204) Subject: RE: Origins: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GUEST https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/the-clancy-brothers-and-tommy-makem/old-maid-in-the-garret-chords-1789839 |
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24 Jul 21 - 05:38 AM (#4114236) Subject: RE: Origins: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Newport Boy I first heard this sung by Isabel Sutherland at Ballads & Blues in Soho Square in 1959. Robin Hall & Jimmie MacGregor were also there - while Isabel sang "parrot" at the end, Robin loudly sang "carrot". From the look between them, he'd obviously done it before. |
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24 Jul 21 - 06:07 AM (#4114239) Subject: RE: Origins: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: GeoffLawes On pages 70-71 of “ Homage to Caledonia: Scotland and the Spanish Civil War” By Daniel Gray on Google Books can be seen reference to the song as sung by International Brigaders during Th Spanish Civil War |
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24 Jul 21 - 06:22 AM (#4114240) Subject: RE: Origins: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Felipa Dana (Rosemary Brown, who won Eurovision with All Kinds of Everything in 1970.) I wonder why she thought this was a song for children (her audience in the video), probably for the catchy tune and sing-along chorus. |
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24 Jul 21 - 04:13 PM (#4114287) Subject: RE: Origins: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Steve Gardham Since the thread now is prefixed with origins we might as well add that the song is one of our oldest folk songs with a medieval version extant. It exists in many different formats but always recognisable as related. |
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26 Jul 21 - 05:17 PM (#4114472) Subject: RE: Origins: Old Maid In the Garrett -- Recorded By? From: Mrrzy Who else sings it as If I can't get a man, then I'll have to get a carrot? |