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06 Jul 06 - 04:13 PM (#1777610) Subject: Origins: Resources for researching song origins From: GUEST,Daniel Womack Hello to all! I'm new to Mudcat so forgive me if what I'm about to ask sounds foolish. I have been working on compiling a list of lyrics and song origins for tunes played by renaissance festival musicians, bands, choirs, etc. I've found Mudcat a great resource for such information but I'm a man who would much rather do my own research than ask someone else to do it for me. With that said, are there any specific resources online or in book form for beginning such research? Frankly that's my problem. I'm not entirely sure where to look or what websites or books would give me the best starting point. Surely searching Google and looking in the historical and music sections in my library would be a start but I'm afraid the library nearby is rather small and Google can often be of little help with some songs. I'm fearing this could require searching out specific titles in larger university libraries and hoping I can find it without traveling too far. Guess that all depends on how committed I am in completing my research, now doesn't it? Anyways, any help would be greatly appreciated. I really don't fully trust wikipedia and while I know you all are very knowledgable I certainly don't want to be taking your research conclusions and using them in my project if I can simply do the research myself. It eliminates any possible risk of being accused of plagarism; a serious offense in my eyes. |
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06 Jul 06 - 04:20 PM (#1777627) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origins From: Goose Gander Start with the ROUD INDEX courtesy of the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library Most of the reference sources cited can be had through inter-library loan. |
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06 Jul 06 - 08:54 PM (#1777850) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origins From: michaelr Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads The Tam Lin Pages Max Hunter's Ozark collection The Contemplator Scottish Songs George Seto's Oodles of Links Robert Burns |
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06 Jul 06 - 09:08 PM (#1777853) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origin From: curmudgeon Chappell's "Popular Music of the Olden Time." |
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06 Jul 06 - 09:10 PM (#1777854) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origin From: curmudgeon ...and Bruce Olson's website, which can be found at Mudcat -- Tom |
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07 Jul 06 - 12:38 AM (#1777915) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origins From: Goose Gander And of course don't forget the Traditional Ballad Index |
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07 Jul 06 - 01:24 AM (#1777920) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origin From: pavane The late Bruce Olson prepared a comprehensive index to 15th and 16th century songs - as noted above. I am not sure how accurate his ABC files are though - some seem to have errors when compared to other versions. (I am not sure which is correct, in these cases) Click here for Bruce Olson's Website at Mudcat |
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07 Jul 06 - 01:58 AM (#1777930) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origins From: pavane And 17th C. Note that versions of many songs we know as 'traditional folk' in the UK can be found in the various collections of broadsides, but often not under the name we use now. A few examples: Our Captain Cried... = The Distressed Maid Sovay, Sovay = Sylivia's request and William's denial Little Matty Groves/Little Musgrave = The lamentable ditty of the little Mousgrove, and the Lady Barnet Villikens & Dinah = William & Dinah, also William and Diana |
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07 Jul 06 - 12:22 PM (#1778290) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origins From: Goose Gander And also take a look at FOLKINFO.ORG |
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07 Jul 06 - 03:19 PM (#1778408) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origins From: michaelr Anyone know what happened to Reinhold Zierke's and Gary Gillis' sites? |
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07 Jul 06 - 03:29 PM (#1778417) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origins From: MMario Pavane - given how meticulous Bruce was - I suspect his ABC's are correct *as given in the originals*, and the other versions have been "cleaned up" or "corrected". Daniel - PLEASE return and tell us your findings; as I have been known to perform at ren-faire I am especially interested - and there are a few others around who do so as well. MMario aka 'Owain Cramp, pre-minstrel' aka 'Malveo the Darque Bard' AFR Brad's Guild #003 and other names I'm too polite to mention. |
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07 Jul 06 - 03:42 PM (#1778422) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origins From: MMario there are copies of Playford's Dancing Master out on the web, both in transcription and facsimile. A lot of older tunes there, and some which go with various lyrics though the Dancing Master doesn't have lyrics. |
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08 Jul 06 - 03:01 AM (#1778754) Subject: RE: Origins: Resources for researching song origins From: Malcolm Douglas There is a list of online resources at the South Riding Folk Arts Network website: http://www.folk-network.com/directory/links.html It includes most of those that I use. There are certainly many more that I haven't checked out properly yet or don't know about, and I haven't included some others because they are either too unreliable, or too badly designed, to visit except as a last resort. Garry Gillard's site is now back with him, at http://www.garrygillard.net/folk/. Reinhard Zierke had taken it over, but gave it up last year; his own site has disappeared. Apologies for not yet having replied to your pm, Daniel. This is a start, anyway. |