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15 Jul 06 - 10:15 AM (#1784211) Subject: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: mack/misophist There's nothing certain yet but this doesn't look good. See here |
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15 Jul 06 - 10:29 AM (#1784219) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: Dave Hanson Can't apply to traditional songs or songs already in the public domain surely ? eric |
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15 Jul 06 - 01:25 PM (#1784348) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: Ernest No, it won`t apply to trad./public domain material. Otherwise, artists who care about their audiences can provide their lyrics on their websites. Artists who don`t won t get covered as often as before. Serves them right not to get that recognition. Regards Ernest |
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15 Jul 06 - 01:28 PM (#1784350) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: John MacKenzie I think this may be aimed at the 'kiddies' and they hope to sell them the lyrics of the latest songs, but I don't see them paying for lyrics they and their mates can work out between them. Out of copyright, and traditional material will not be affected whatever. Giok |
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15 Jul 06 - 01:29 PM (#1784351) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: GEST Quoting fom the article cited: [SNIP] "What is the limit for fair use in song lyrics? In US law, song lyrics are indeed copyrighted, and copyright law offers four factors to determine if a fair use exemption applies: the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; the nature of the copyrighted work; amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. These four rules leave a lot of gray areas, but commercial song lyrics sites would violate rules one and three right off the bat. Whether or not the music publishing industry will extend their lawsuits to include nonprofit sites remains an unanswered question." [/SNIP] The key words here are "commercial song lyrics sites". In my opinion, anyone who makes money from somone else's copyrighted work deserves to be shut down at the least, and if possible, sued for any profits gained from their illegal and immoral activity. |
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15 Jul 06 - 01:59 PM (#1784368) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: Q (Frank Staplin) I seldom use these 'lyrics sites'. Most are loaded with stuff my spyware has to remove. |
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15 Jul 06 - 02:34 PM (#1784381) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: Richard Bridge How many times do I have to say in some dudgeon that US law does not apply (except when Tony B Liar signs stupid treaties) outside the US? The US is admittedly perhaps the most offensive international user of "long arm" legislation but it is frankly contrary to international law. |
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15 Jul 06 - 02:36 PM (#1784384) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: Bill D It makes little difference...a few clicks of the mouse and those sites can be hosted in Russia, Ceylon, S. Africa or an island in the Pacific. Some countries treat this as 'opportunity'. |
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15 Jul 06 - 09:54 PM (#1784597) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: mack/misophist According to Reuters, Gracenote has acquired the rights to over a million lyrics. That's got to be more than just modern pop. Furthermore, they're talking about 'a new revenue stream' that will see that 'composers get paid.' Sounds just like the RIAA and it's kin. |
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15 Jul 06 - 10:40 PM (#1784618) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: wysiwyg There are sites where you PAY for lyrics???? ~S~ |
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15 Jul 06 - 11:12 PM (#1784628) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: Q (Frank Staplin) In 2004, Gracenote lost a suit against Musicmatch. This opened the field to more competition. Microsoft Windows Media Player moved to the service provided by All Media Guide. Lots of action at present. I seldom recommend Wikipedia for information because of their lack of peer review and inaccuracies, but their writeup on Gracenote, now a little out-of-date, contains useful links to the Court action and to other players in the game. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gracenote. Richard Bridge's reference to 'international law' is amusing, perhaps he would explain what that is. Most of the big players in services operate internationally one way or another and have rights in many jurisdictions. Gracenote is a partner in Japanese technology companies which have helped them to operate globally. The situation at present is very complex. |
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15 Jul 06 - 11:45 PM (#1784638) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: Bert I suggest that we all rename one of our own songs (or write a new one) with the title of a modern popular song and put the lyrics up on a website. If we all do it there should be enough confusion to keep them busy for years. |
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16 Jul 06 - 01:04 AM (#1784664) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: Nerd WYSIWYG, generally, you don't pay for lyrics. You go to the site and get the lyrics free, but you are shown ads. The lyric site makes the money by selling ads, and they sell ads based on "hits," and they get hits based on people looking at copyrighted lyrics. |
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16 Jul 06 - 09:01 AM (#1784795) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: Maryrrf Won't bother me much, because I'm almost always looking for traditional song lyrics. I can't imagine who would even be that interested in the lyrics of most of pop songs that are out now. |
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16 Jul 06 - 09:03 AM (#1784798) Subject: RE: Bad News for Lyric Sites? From: wysiwyg Thanks, Nerd. ~S~ |