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15 Jul 06 - 12:19 PM (#1784290) Subject: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton http://www. narconews.com/print.php3?ArticleID=1972&lang=en Calderon minions and IFE caught red-handed stuffing ballot boxes have incensed the Mexican population. Brings back the Spectre of the fraud in Florida 2000. Bush was Calderon supporter. Viva Mexico! Viva Obrador! Wish the Dems in this country had the guts to stand up against voter fraud. Frank Hamilton |
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15 Jul 06 - 02:59 PM (#1784395) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: Alaska Mike Here is another article regarding the illegal interferrence of the United States in the Mexico elections. The only folks getting rich in Mexico are the wealthy and the corporations. The poor are being left behind to either die or find their way to the US where they can be exploited by our rich and our corporations. |
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15 Jul 06 - 03:22 PM (#1784407) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: Peace They ain't been stolen yet . . . . July 14 "The Mercury News" article. |
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15 Jul 06 - 04:09 PM (#1784426) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: JohnInKansas Frank's link in the lead post didn't work for me, possibly because the URL for the "printer friendly" version was used. I've noted that on many sites that doesn't work well. The article cited is part two of a three part series of articles: Part I 2.5 Million Missing Votes Reappear: López Obrador Reduces Calderón's Official Margin to 0.6 percent Part II A Full Recount Would Show that López Obrador Won Mexico's Presidency by More than One Million Votes Part III Death by Video: Mexico's Election Fraud Is Coming Undone, Video and Audio Evidence, an Outraged Citizenry, and Panic from the White House Are Converging to Make López Obrador the Next Mexican President Interesting reading in all three parts. John |
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15 Jul 06 - 04:13 PM (#1784428) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: McGrath of Harlow Of course when this happened in Ukraine there was massive backing from people like Bush and Blair for the people trying to overturn a fraudulant election. Not this time, I rather fear. But the Ukrainian precedent is there. Just because the Bushites managed to steal the election in 2000 it doesn't mean that his Mexican friends are necessarily going to be able to get away with it. |
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15 Jul 06 - 09:09 PM (#1784564) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: Troll The Nazis were right. If you tell a lie often enough, everyone will believe it. Independent ballot counts by newspapers, inculding the New York Times (no friend of Bush) concluded that Bush did indeed win the popular vote in Florida. The real culprit was Ralph Nader, who siphoned off enough liberal - democrat - votes in my county alone to have given Gore a majority. Everyone knew that nader couldn't win but they voted for him and gave the election to Bush. In the same way, Ross Peroit got Bill Clinton elected. This has been the role of thrid parties through out our nations history in most cases. Witness T.R.Roosevelts run with the Bull Moose party. troll |
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16 Jul 06 - 02:52 AM (#1784695) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: CarolC Independent ballot counts by newspapers, inculding the New York Times (no friend of Bush) concluded that Bush did indeed win the popular vote in Florida. Only by just counting the ballots that were disputed, but accepted. If you factor in the people who were disenfranchized when Jeb illegally purged their names from the voter roles, there would not have been enough votes in Florida to get Bush elected. |
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16 Jul 06 - 05:04 AM (#1784725) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: Barry Finn Thanks for starting this thread Frank. It makes one wonder how far can the long arm of Demock reach to achieve it's will. If all the Mexican trouble gets strightened out to the will of the people & it was they that brought about justice if an injustice was done, what does that say for the people of the US & the injustice that they've suffered & have not brought to justice. That we as a people are less capable than the 3rd world nations of the world? Or, are we just more content than they are to just sit & let the injustices happen. Barry |
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16 Jul 06 - 09:10 AM (#1784802) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: Maryrrf I am dismayed but not surprised by this. The US has a long, long history of meddling in Mexico's affairs (hence the expression "Pobre Mexico, tan lejos de dios, y tan cerca a los estados unidos") - Poor Mexico, so far from God, and so close to the United States". That said there probably was plenty of meddling with these votes from purely Mexican sources too, as the Mexican political scene is notoriously corrupt. I was watching the election and thinking to myself that a leftist would never be allowed to win. |
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16 Jul 06 - 12:41 PM (#1784906) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: Little Hawk Election fraud in Mexico is as old as elections themselves, and the USA has repeatedly interfered in the domestic affairs of Mexico. Nothing new here. The Mexican people, however, are far more passionate and ready to fight for their rights than are North Americans, perhaps because they are not so comfortable. |
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16 Jul 06 - 12:49 PM (#1784909) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: Bill D I suspect that if you elected an honest,intelligent peasant President of Mexico, within a year or two he would be corrupted by the system and the entrenched bureaucrats and would be busy building up his personal wealth and seeking to hamstring his opponents. Who, me? Cynical? Naaahhhhh... |
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16 Jul 06 - 12:54 PM (#1784911) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: Uncle_DaveO "Mexico's election stolen"??? Quick, someone, check all the pawn shops! Dave Oesterreich |
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16 Jul 06 - 01:24 PM (#1784930) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: CarolC Mexicans are North Americans, George. |
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16 Jul 06 - 05:38 PM (#1785098) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: Uncle_DaveO CarolC: Yes, they are, in English/American usage. But in Spanish, "Nortemericano signifies not just a person from the North American continent but one from the US, (or possibly also Canada). Dave Oesterreich |
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16 Jul 06 - 05:45 PM (#1785102) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: Troll Just how many were "disenfranchised" CarolC? I don't believe I've ever seen any numbers that could actually be verified. troll |
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16 Jul 06 - 06:59 PM (#1785159) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: McGrath of Harlow The point is that in 2000 in Florida there never was a complete and fair count, because of the determination of the Bushites to stop that happening, and because their opponents gave up prematurely. It seems likely that Obrador and his supporters are less likely to roll over and submit than Gore was. As and when a full and fair count has been completed the winner can take office, whoever that turns out to be. As ought to have happened back in 2000 in the USA, but wasn't allowed to. |
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16 Jul 06 - 11:27 PM (#1785289) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: CarolC Before I answer your question, Troll, I would like to see some documentation to support this statement from you in your 15 Jul 06 - 09:09 PM post... Independent ballot counts by newspapers, inculding the New York Times (no friend of Bush) concluded that Bush did indeed win the popular vote in Florida. |
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17 Jul 06 - 05:52 PM (#1785869) Subject: RE: BS: Mexico's election stolen From: GUEST Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER NYT George W. Bush would have won even if the Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount that the Florida court had ordered to go forward. http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/recount/ |