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16 Jul 06 - 02:41 PM (#1784989) Subject: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: GUEST,Anally retentive Mudcatter Recent threads on bottom related issues got me thinking, and I did a bit of research into colonic matters. These photo's freaked me out a little, and having entered the second half of useful life, realised things in the toilet department aren't as efficient as they used to be. But what to do about it? There are many detox products available, some gentle, some aggressive, and then there's colonic irrigation. I settled on the latter, and have booked into a clinic for a two hour session in the near future. Has anyone else had this or similar treatment, and what are your experiences? Apologies for the anonymity, but I find matters of the fundament best kept between the individual and one's physician. |
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16 Jul 06 - 02:46 PM (#1784991) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: GUEST,another anonny Pea soup seems to have the same effect for someone I know. |
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16 Jul 06 - 03:12 PM (#1785018) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: CarolC I settled on the latter, and have booked into a clinic for a two hour session in the near future. Hope everything comes out ok. |
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16 Jul 06 - 03:20 PM (#1785025) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Bill D So, you plan on having this done every few days? Seems to me that except for unusual situations, that area is self-regulating. It gets filled, and it gets emptied. And there are bacteria there that you don't WANT to 'flush out', as they do a lot of the work that needs to be done. |
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16 Jul 06 - 05:30 PM (#1785093) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Rapparee Nah, I wouldn't do it unless there was no production at all. This is related to clyster frenzy that gripped France and the French court in the time of Louis XIV; it was stupid then and it's stupid now. The body, if in good health, is self-regulating and self-cleansing. And if you're not in good health go see your doctor. You can also get the body to the point that natural functions will no longer work -- dependence on laxitives being a case in point. If you need more intestinal muscle tone try exercising the rest of the body. It'll work better, make you healthier, and it's a whole lot less expensive. (I'm reminded of when my wife was the director of a college library and told me that some of the students were "into" coffee enemas for colonic cleansing. My first response was "Cream? One lump or two? Decaf or regular?") |
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16 Jul 06 - 05:42 PM (#1785100) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace The photos are almost like works of art. But different. Yeah, that's it, different. |
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16 Jul 06 - 05:49 PM (#1785107) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace I was wondering. If George Bush took that treatment, how much of him would be left? |
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16 Jul 06 - 05:56 PM (#1785114) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Rapparee The DC sewage treatment plant isn't equipped for a flood of that magnitude. |
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16 Jul 06 - 06:14 PM (#1785134) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Sorcha OK...just what the HELL IS that stuff????? Nothing like that comes out MY arsehole!!!! |
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16 Jul 06 - 06:30 PM (#1785148) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Rapparee I want to know what sort of person goes mucking about in poop with appears to be chopsticks. |
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16 Jul 06 - 07:00 PM (#1785160) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Sorcha LOL! |
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16 Jul 06 - 07:12 PM (#1785169) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: bobad I don't know about you but I have a colonic cleansing every morning like clockwork. If you are having difficulty in this regard I would suggest that you increase your fiber intake. |
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16 Jul 06 - 07:22 PM (#1785175) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace And after ya do, there's this! |
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16 Jul 06 - 07:35 PM (#1785180) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: GUEST I've got this bridge I need to unload.... |
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16 Jul 06 - 07:37 PM (#1785182) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace LOL |
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16 Jul 06 - 07:54 PM (#1785197) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Beer I, I, I guess I don't have much to say except that I'm off to the bathroom because I'm pissing myself laughing. This has got to be the best in a long time. Beer |
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16 Jul 06 - 07:56 PM (#1785198) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace Lucky guy. When I do that it's already too late. |
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16 Jul 06 - 07:57 PM (#1785200) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: bobad Ah! you old farts - sounds like depends time to me. |
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16 Jul 06 - 08:02 PM (#1785205) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace The farts are another thing, especially when they ain't! |
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16 Jul 06 - 08:44 PM (#1785220) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Rapparee One lump or two? |
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16 Jul 06 - 09:40 PM (#1785250) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Bill D but if you MUST get that done, be sure to choose your practicioner carefully. |
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16 Jul 06 - 09:44 PM (#1785254) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace Them's mean streets, Bill. Very mean streets . . . . |
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16 Jul 06 - 09:50 PM (#1785256) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace Oh, yeah . . . . |
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16 Jul 06 - 11:14 PM (#1785281) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Stilly River Sage Those photos in the first link look like what happens when my dogs eat weird stuff (they say the inside of a goat's stomach is full of junk, but you should see what the domestic dog can get into in the back yard all day). Ever hear of those Philippino "hands-on" psychic surgery folks? I don't believe the contents of that basin is human, I believe that's animal poop aka manufactured hype to sell a product. (Give my dog a chunk of the rag rug she has been slowly tearing apart and eating, retrieve it from the latest steaming pile in the yard, and it comes out looking like that stuff.) If you really want to be sure everything is okay then have a colonoscopy done and eat lots of fruit and fibre. SRS |
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17 Jul 06 - 03:07 AM (#1785350) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Liz the Squeak So that's what happens when you swallow gum! Glad to see there are no apple trees in there - mother lied when she said if I ate the pips I'd get an apple tree growing in my stomach. But isn't it strange that stomach acid will dissolve gold teeth but yet sweetcorn makes it all the way through unscathed... LTS |
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17 Jul 06 - 11:10 AM (#1785550) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Rapparee My mommy said that if we ate watermelon seeds we'd get all pregnant. |
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17 Jul 06 - 11:12 AM (#1785553) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Rapparee Which reminds me of the time my brother did exactly that, and then ate three big bowls of Uncle Hank's "special recipe" chili. He nailed four sparrows, three cars, six dogs, and a cop before we could get the Maalox down him. |
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17 Jul 06 - 04:14 PM (#1785764) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: GUEST have never had it but would love to. please let us know how you get on. |
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17 Jul 06 - 04:46 PM (#1785800) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Becca72 Those pics look like the person shat out their own intestines. |
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17 Jul 06 - 05:28 PM (#1785835) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: GUEST,Bizibod That's exactly what I thought too.... |
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17 Jul 06 - 05:32 PM (#1785839) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace Yep. It took alotta guts to do that. |
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17 Jul 06 - 05:34 PM (#1785845) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Sorcha I sent them an e mail.....when they actually finish the tests on what it is they are going to let me know!!!! |
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17 Jul 06 - 05:53 PM (#1785870) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Troll Right up there with ear wax candleing, healing crystals, and thereputic touch. Stilly River Sage has the right idea. That and increase your exercise level. troll ..... 65 and still goin' strong. |
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17 Jul 06 - 06:02 PM (#1785880) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: GUEST That colonic stuff is just a rip. Eat plenty of fiber and everything will be OK. Raw vegies, fruit and beans do it for me. http://www.rawveg.info/coloncleanse.html Health Scams "Colon Cleanse" Product Scam Psyllium gel molds to colon, looks like impacted wastes, but isn't. A number of people sell pre-packaged mixes described as "colon cleanses". Dramatic testimonials from those using the products describe long, black ropy masses in the toilet. They are so happy that this stuff, that they assume was inside them for decades, is out. The solid mass is assumed to be impacted wastes. The main ingredient of the "cleanse" is usually psyllium seed, or psyllium seed husk. Generally there's also a mix of herbs, perhaps clay, flax seed, and/or other fiber sources. Fun science experiments to try. 1: Take some psyllium husk, mix it with water in a glass, and let it sit until it gels. Turn the glass upside down. Out slides a mass of gel in the shape of the glass. 2: Take some psyllium husk, mix it with water in a glass. Don't let it sit until it gels, or it will be difficult to drink. Put the psyllium husk and water into a human digestive tract, ie. swallow it down. After an appropriate interval, you will see a mass of psyllium gel, in the shape of the inside of a human colon, slide out. Various other materials may become mixed with the gel as it travels through, giving it a different appearance from the gel in the glass. 3: Repeat the two experiments above, but this time add ground herbs, powdered clay, etc. to the psyllium husk before mixing it with water. When the mass slides out, it will probably look more dramatic than before. You've probably figured it out by now. The stuff people see coming out after they use the "cleanse" isn't a mass of old impacted wastes, it's a mass of psyllium, with some waste mixed in. If they keep taking the psyllium mix, they'll keep seeing more of the same. They'll think that they were full of yards and yards of prehistoric wastes. They'll always think they need to do another cleanse. Every time they do, it looks like more stuff comes out. Psyllium husk is cheap, "cleanses" are expensive. Metamucil, sold at any drugstore, is psyllium husk with flavoring. It's less expensive than the cleanses. Even cheaper, you can buy psyllium at many health-food stores from the bulk bins. Once you see how cheap it is, you're realize what a bad deal the cleanse was. The cleanse peddler will tell you how superior their special blend is. Anything with a lot of fiber would work just as well. Better idea: Eat a high-fiber diet. We're adapted by evolution to thrive on plant-based diet of unrefined whole foods. Such a diet contains plenty of fiber. Fiber does not sweep, brush or scrub the colon. Fiber absorbs water, so the stools are soft and bulky. Soft stools are easier to pass, with less straining. Bulky stools stretch the walls of the colon. This stimulates stretch receptors, nerves in the bowel wall, which slgnal the involuntary muscles in the colon to contract. That produces a bowel movement. Refined foods have had some or all of the fiber removed. White rice, white flour, sugar and tofu are refined foods. Animal foods contain no fiber at all. Juices, oils, and tahini are the most common refined foods eaten by raw-food folks. The colon's main job is to reclaim water from it's contents. Low-fiber foods allow the colon to absorb more of the water, so the stool becomes too dry, harder and smaller. Fiber also provides nourishment for the beneficial bacteria in the gut, which ferment the fiber. Acids such as lactic acid, butyric acid, and proprionic acid are produced. Lactic acid has a laxative effect. Proprionic acid is used as a fuel by the cells in the colon wall. Butyric acid helps the immune system. The acids suppress candida and harmful bacteria, which like a more alkaline environment. Eat a variety of high-fiber foods, to get different types of fiber. Insoluble fibers: cellulose, hemicellulose, lignans. Soluble fibers: gels, mucilages, gums, pectins, algal polysaccharides. Different plants contain different types of fiber. They all have different benefits. Some absorb toxins, some feed the good bacteria, some hold water better. It's best to eat a variety of high-fiber foods. It's ridiculous to make juice, throw away the fiber, then take psyllium. Eat the whole carrot, the whole apple, the whole orange. You'll get a variety of fibers, and you won't need the psyllium. |
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17 Jul 06 - 06:27 PM (#1785900) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Big Mick GUEST, 6:02 PM, above, that is the best post of the lot. You have shown how the rip off works. It all comes down to this. If you want a healthy colon, eat foods with lots of fiber. Mick |
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17 Jul 06 - 06:33 PM (#1785904) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: bobad What Mick said. |
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17 Jul 06 - 07:22 PM (#1785937) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: GUEST,Anally etc Hmm, what Mick said too. Guest 6.02pm reasons an excellent argument for reversing the lack of fibre in processed foods. The pictures are promoted by a psyllium based product pusher, true, and if those yucky pictures are the repetitious product of that base raw material, then the colon cleansing industry is probably a con too. However, I want to go ahead with one blast of the colonics, more than anything because one should try everything once apart from buggery and morris dancing (and I'm not sure it isn't mechanical buggery!). If I promise to treat myself better afterwards, I still want a clean sheet, so to say, and get my bum sorted out as a precursor to living better. I'll get back to youse after the deed. |
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17 Jul 06 - 07:41 PM (#1785951) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: GUEST,Rapaire Shucks, get a colonoscopy. The prep will do the same thing as the colonics. Trust me, I know!!! |
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17 Jul 06 - 08:09 PM (#1785965) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: frogprince So do I, Repaire; in fact, the stuff in those pictures up there couldn't taste much worse than what they gave me to swallow before the colonoscopy. |
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17 Jul 06 - 08:13 PM (#1785968) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace So then, mixing the psyllium with two cups of Portland cement was not a good idea? |
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17 Jul 06 - 09:58 PM (#1786011) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Bill D ♫"Hard and it's hard and it's hard"♫ |
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17 Jul 06 - 10:04 PM (#1786018) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace I ain't gonna touch that one. Nope. |
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18 Jul 06 - 12:17 AM (#1786078) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Troll Forget the colonoscopy ( but only if you are under 50 ) and drink a couple of bottles of citrate of magnesia. It doesn't require a perscription and drinking it will definitely provide you with a "moving" experience. troll |
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18 Jul 06 - 05:08 AM (#1786196) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Liz the Squeak So it's basically the Atkins diet but with fewer fry-ups. I'm finding 2 oat flapjacks and 2 litres of water whilst standing for an hour singing on an outdoor stage facing the sun is doing much the same thing. Hence the short postings today LTS |
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18 Jul 06 - 10:59 AM (#1786391) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Stilly River Sage That citrate of magnesia stuff is horrid. Had to use it a time or two myself prior to surgery. After that lucid discussion of the whys and wherefores of the "colon cleanse" products I think I can see why it actually works for a friend of mine. He has a few flareups of diverticulitis every year, and between watching what he eats and running that stuff through every so often, perhaps it actually pulls irritants from out of the diverticula. Hmmm. |
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18 Jul 06 - 12:39 PM (#1786462) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Rapparee Well, I think this is the shits! |
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18 Jul 06 - 11:49 PM (#1786889) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: MAG er, for those of you who think a colonic is like a laxative, it is not. (I am not about to try one.) I understood it to be a deep hosing out from the nether end, sort of like a douche. Back when I did serious yoga, I knew people who swore by them. A trendy, spendy spa thing. (except one lady, who swore never again.) |
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19 Jul 06 - 12:00 AM (#1786894) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: CarolC Yeah, that colon cleanse thing almost seems like a facial peel for the intestines. I did an online nutritional analysis today, and was told that I have too much fiber in my diet. I didn't know it was possible to have too much fiber in one's diet. |
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19 Jul 06 - 02:07 AM (#1786989) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: dianavan I never had colonic irrigation but... My ex-husband's new wife decided that she wanted to learn how to perform this new-age therapy. It is now her 'job'. Can you imagine? What do you say when someone asks you what you do? Everytime I think about it I have a little giggle. Sometimes I do believe in karma. |
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19 Jul 06 - 03:55 AM (#1787047) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Peace Q: "And what is your line of work, ma'am?" A: "I take shit from people all day long." |
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19 Jul 06 - 10:48 AM (#1787280) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Stilly River Sage Good analogy, Carol. That describes what I was thinking. Pulls the irritating stuff away from the folds. Too bad the advertising is so spurious that it detracts from whatever good the product might do. SRS |
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19 Jul 06 - 11:12 AM (#1787298) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: bobad Colonic hydrotherapy = enema for the monied class. |
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19 Jul 06 - 11:30 AM (#1787316) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Rapparee Yep, bodad. You got it. "Irritating stuff" in the colon makes me want to scratch the insides of my guts. Fortunately I'm above all that. |
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19 Jul 06 - 11:34 AM (#1787321) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: freda underhill ..otherwise you'd be the butt of jokes, Rap. |
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19 Jul 06 - 01:21 PM (#1787415) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Don Firth The new urban menace: random drive-by colonic irrigations. Don Firth |
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20 Jul 06 - 07:53 AM (#1788109) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Mr Red FWIW exercise is a good therapy - brisk walks, good for thrombosis as well. Churchill suffered constipation but then he took very little exercise. Porridge every morning works wonders either that or I am disgustingly healthy (tick one of the above)- especially if you are diabetic - I first heard about it 20+ years ago when they described it as "fermanting in the gut". Read that in the context of your bacteria. A diabetic described the same property as "soluble ruffage" which makes it better than All Bran on two counts - no added sugar and that fermentation/solubility. As I don't cook much that requires a thickening agent I use oats when I need to thicken. OK I do like my oats............ |
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20 Jul 06 - 08:50 AM (#1788141) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Rapparee Fiber and exercise? Nonsense -- I took maths and can work it out with a pencil. |
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20 Jul 06 - 12:15 PM (#1788321) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Mr Red 'cos you found it hard by logs? Natural logs of course - gotta be natural. Come on laugh - it is about base two (and a bit). And talking a CI - have you tried looking up old friends.............. I'll get me coat. |
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20 Jul 06 - 03:13 PM (#1788485) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: frogprince At the risk of being somewhat serious: I had my first colonoscopy a few months ago. The doc said everything is fine. But I had mentioned that I had been prone to diarrhea for awhile, and he recommended a tablespoon of Metamucil (Psylium) in liquid a day. I take it most days, and things have been moving along a lot more regularly, so to speak. I've been getting in quite a bit more biking and hiking lately, too, which I'm sure doesn't hurt either. |
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20 Jul 06 - 07:39 PM (#1788698) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: GUEST Me again I discovered I have Irritable Bowel Syndrome and Diverticulosis. Google them up. The Diverticulosis is caused by not eating enough fiber. The disease did not exist until the late 1800s when they started grinding grains so fine that they reduced the fiber in them to a powder. Our digestive system is designed to use fiber. Not enough fiber and it goes out of whack. The amount of fiber is stated on every food package. The real cause of IBS is not known but eating fiber helps mine almost to the point of eliminating it. Eat plenty of vegies, preferably raw, fruit, whole grain cereal and breads and you will have no problems with the poopery. |
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21 Jul 06 - 07:32 PM (#1789506) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Liz the Squeak Down with Poopery! Be warned though... if you get frequent diahorrea you may be eating too much fibre. Balance is the key. LTS |
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22 Jul 06 - 11:58 AM (#1789878) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: GUEST IBS can cause periods of diarrhea or constipation in different people. Mine was diarrhea. Fiber can firm up loose stools and help diarrhea. Diverticulitis is even worse. balloons leading off of the sigmoid colon that get filled with feces and cause pain and infection. (Diverticulitis) If they burst it causes peritonitis, infection in the abdominal cavity. Doctors recommend removal of the last 18" of colon as the only cure. Plenty of fiber will prevent Diverticulitis from developing and help it if it is already present. If you already have Diverticulitis, avoid eating popcorn. Warnings about eating seeds and nuts are false |
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18 Aug 06 - 03:29 PM (#1813207) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: GUEST,Less Anally Retentive Mudcatter The treatment was a total success, but took two sessions a week apart to complete. The second was two weeks ago, and the difference since has been life-altering. Without information overload, things have returned to normal, I feel enormously 'better', with much higher energy levels, better sleep and significant weight loss. I also realise how unwell I had become before realising I needed to do something. I can't recommend the treatment highly enough. I'm also aware that this thread drew its usual share of poo-pooers (sorry!), so if any of the genuinely interested posters would like further information, record your interest here, and I will send a PM with a fuller critique of the therapy. And poo to the poo-pooers! |
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18 Aug 06 - 04:29 PM (#1813237) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: catspaw49 .....uh,huh.............right.........I can't see where it has made any difference at all as from your post anyone can tell you are still full of shit. Spaw |
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18 Aug 06 - 04:36 PM (#1813246) Subject: RE: BS: Colonic hydrotherapy From: Rapparee But not quite so full as before, Spaw. |
