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16 Aug 06 - 05:12 PM (#1811543) Subject: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST,Invictus Back after a few weeks of intense rioting around the world due to an organized effort to express resentment of certain published cartoons implying the Prophet Mohammed was a suitable subject for comment, Iran announced a plan to hold a test of free expression using the Holocaust as a subject. This has been going on for a while now. Iran Holocaust Cartoons Still waiting on the first Jewish cartoon riot. |
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16 Aug 06 - 05:23 PM (#1811553) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST Get a life, Sol. |
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16 Aug 06 - 05:26 PM (#1811559) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Clinton Hammond John Stewart is a Jew and he's a LAUGH riot all the time!! |
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16 Aug 06 - 05:31 PM (#1811567) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: C. Ham Clinton, "John" Stewart -- the folksinger -- is not Jewish. I believe you're thinking of "Jon" Stewart -- the comedian -- who is. |
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16 Aug 06 - 05:48 PM (#1811587) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Lenny Bruce was a riot too. You just have to be in the right place at the right time. |
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16 Aug 06 - 06:11 PM (#1811616) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Bill Hahn//\\ Leny Bruce knew of the inanity of religious and ehtnic prejudices and skewered them all so well---so far ahead of his time. Bill H |
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16 Aug 06 - 06:16 PM (#1811622) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace By Israel News Agency Staff Jerusalem----February 7.....In response to Iran's best-selling newspaper announcing a competition to find the best cartoons about the Holocaust, the Israel News Agency launched an SEO - Internet search engine optimization marketing contest to prevent Iran news Websites from reaching top positions in Google. "When I heard that a newspaper in Iran was now holding a cartoon contest on the Holocaust, I knew that SEO would be the most potent tool in combating it," said Joel Leyden, publisher of the Israel News Agency. "That 12 winners in Iran would have their Holocaust cartoons published and would receive two gold coins (worth about $140 each) as a prize, I donned my SEO Israel Defense Forces uniform, cocked and loaded my keyboard. There is no way that Iran will spit on the graves of over 6 million Jews who perished in the Holocaust." The Israel News Agency is asking every SEO advertising marketing professional to create Web pages and optimize the keywords: "Iran Holocaust Cartoon Contest" in order to prevent the Iran newspapers, the enemies of Israel, the Jews, the Christians and Western democracy from attaining a high Google and Google News position. The SEO contestants will wrap these keywords around their comments of how Iran has sponsored Islam suicide bombing terror attacks against innocent men, women and children in Israel. Iran directly funds the activities of the terrorist groups Hamas and Hizbullah. "SEO contests are held almost every day marketing casino and other commercial Web sites," said Leyden. "It's time we used SEO Internet marketing against Islamic terrorists, those in Iran who wish to "wipe Israel off the map" and turn democracy's key principle of freedom of speech against those of us living in the US, England, France, Denmark, Israel, Turkey, Spain and all Western nations." |
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16 Aug 06 - 06:21 PM (#1811629) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Iran: HEY, aren't these the same people who supposrt Hezbollah? |
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16 Aug 06 - 06:33 PM (#1811641) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Yup. Pretty much the same way the USA used to support the Mujahedin...(before they became the Taliban)...or Saddam (before he failed to take out Iran)... Crooks use crooks to kill other crooks. Ordinary people die in the crossfire. |
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16 Aug 06 - 06:45 PM (#1811653) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk By the way, rioting is usually done mostly by poor people, not by affluent people. Clearly, the way to get Jews motivated enough to riot would be to reduce a majority of the Jewish population to dire poverty and confine them in ghettos, shantytowns, decaying suburbs, refugee camps, crime-ridden inner cities, and that sort of thing. I'm not sure how this could be done...but I bet it would result in some dandy Jewish riots after awhile. ;-) (And, yes, I am being satirical...but think about it. Who goes out and riots? Do well-off people do it? Naw...they sit at home, watch it on TV, and complain about how society is going to pot.) |
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16 Aug 06 - 07:03 PM (#1811662) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Bill Hahn//\\ I think you missed a satirical point here, Little Hawk. That takes more subtlety---Jon Stewart has done it regarding Geraldo Rivera recently, Lenny Bruce has done it by using the epithets at length to show the inanity and he does it in a wonderful sketch about a used car salesman who bashes Jews, Blacks, et; in his lot in some southern state and ends with a punch line---so, ya all will come here to get it after visiting all those other pimps ---and you will get it here---we been giving it to ya all for 30 yrs at the same location. That is satire---if you have to explain it it is not satire--you have to get it without explanation. Here is a thought---putting it this way might make it satirical-- "The Jews are going to riot because they heard that if they get to do business in Lebanon you cannot charge interest--they are pulling out all stops to overturn Muslim law stating that they do it and call it a fee---we await the riots to force this turn of events". No explanation---just let people mull it over---like Lenny Bruce saying your sister would jump over 5 Charles Laughtons to get to one Harry Belafonte. Bill H |
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16 Aug 06 - 07:05 PM (#1811665) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk LOL! Right on, Bill. |
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16 Aug 06 - 07:26 PM (#1811676) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Bill Hahn//\\ Thanks--LH--much appreciated. I meant to be constructive. Bill H |
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16 Aug 06 - 07:42 PM (#1811684) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: EBarnacle When you are busy working, and learning, there is very little time to riot, although some of the ultraOrthodox seem to find the time. |
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16 Aug 06 - 08:03 PM (#1811697) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk That's true. Unemployed people and students, both of whom have more free time, relatively speaking, are more likely to riot than working people are. It's mainly the disenfranchised in a society who riot. Their rioting is a response to their feelings of powerlessness, as much as to anything else. |
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16 Aug 06 - 09:09 PM (#1811747) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "It's mainly the disenfranchised in a society who riot. Their rioting is a response to their feelings of powerlessness, as much as to anything else. " And that was the ORIGINAL reason for paying 'unemployment benefit' - rich people have more property to lose in riots! - something which the current modern Rich American Right Wing Wankers are too stupid, greedy and short sightedly selfish to remember... |
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16 Aug 06 - 09:16 PM (#1811752) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Yeah. Read about the draft riots in New York City during the Civil War for a really chilling account of what happens when tens of thousands of frustrated and enraged poor people go berserk in the streets. |
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16 Aug 06 - 09:57 PM (#1811787) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: C. Ham By the way, rioting is usually done mostly by poor people, not by affluent people. Clearly, the way to get Jews motivated enough to riot would be to reduce a majority of the Jewish population to dire poverty and confine them in ghettos, shantytowns, decaying suburbs, refugee camps, crime-ridden inner cities, and that sort of thing. I'm not sure how this could be done...but I bet it would result in some dandy Jewish riots after awhile. Prior to the 1950s, most Jews here in Canada (and in the U.S. as well) did live in dire poverty. In most of Europe, they were confined in horrible ghettos until 6 million -- including almost every member of my family that did not come to Canada around 1920 -- were murdered in the Holocaust. |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:03 PM (#1811793) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe Satire is often lost on those closest to the unpleasantness. |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:36 PM (#1811827) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 One of the largest riots in history ... the Bolshevik Revolution ... was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct. The newly formed Soviet government issued a decree that made anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime thus became the first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment. Unfortunately, as time went on the non-Jewish Soviet leaders (Stalin) became suspicious, and anti-Semitism gained it's foothold once again. It should be noted that the impact of this Big Riot sparked much more suspicions toward Jews namely the Nazis and 'Tail Gunner Joe' MaCarthy and his paranoid delusions regarding who is behind this Communist Conspiracy. sIx |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:41 PM (#1811834) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 The Bolshevik Rvolution ... now that was some dandy Jewish riot. sIx |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:44 PM (#1811836) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: EBarnacle The Russian revolution is a direct result of the diminution of the Duma by tsar Nicholas in 1905. Once the people's expectations are raised, the surest way to make them discontented is to withdraw their newly gained rights. |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:46 PM (#1811838) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace 1905 was the first revolution. |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:47 PM (#1811840) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe The French might just disagree with that... :-) |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:50 PM (#1811842) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 and the Americans. |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:51 PM (#1811844) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Some days it just don't pay to get up! :-) |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:52 PM (#1811846) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe ... and the English had several aborted previous attempts, only put down by brutal slaughter of unarmed civilians... |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:53 PM (#1811847) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 Yeah ... think I'll go back to bed. sIx |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:53 PM (#1811848) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe Penny for your thoughts peace? |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:53 PM (#1811849) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Then there was the Industrial Revolution. That killed many too. |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:55 PM (#1811850) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: bobad Don't forget the Miller Lite taste revolution - that too. |
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16 Aug 06 - 10:56 PM (#1811853) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 Then there was the Beatle's Revolution 9. |
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16 Aug 06 - 11:00 PM (#1811858) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe I prefer Love Potion No 9 myself... |
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16 Aug 06 - 11:01 PM (#1811860) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace You are a bit kinky, Robin . . . . |
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16 Aug 06 - 11:01 PM (#1811861) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 At least it had a melody. |
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16 Aug 06 - 11:07 PM (#1811868) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk He meant that 1905 was the first Russian revolution! Yes, C. Ham, I am well aware that most Jews lived in poverty prior to 1950. That, however, was not the point of my satirical remarks. I was not making a point about Jews, I was making a point about poverty itself, and the part it plays in providing people who are very willing to riot, given an incident which provokes their smouldering resentment. To have riots you usually need either a resentful underclass, a monetary or social collapse that affects the majority of citizens, or a tremendously unpopular war that affects the majority of citizens (as the draft did in the USA during the Vietnam War, for example). There were a lot of riots in Germany, for instance, after the First World War, and it was because people's confidence in the government had collapsed, and they were desperate. The Nazis took advantage of that instability to gain power eventually, as you well know. |
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16 Aug 06 - 11:20 PM (#1811883) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe Glad we sorted THAT out, Little Hawk... :-) |
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16 Aug 06 - 11:21 PM (#1811884) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe Oh, and I forgot to say, I prefer making Love, not War, Peace... |
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16 Aug 06 - 11:23 PM (#1811886) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk So do most people, given the opportunity. But war is big business. |
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16 Aug 06 - 11:23 PM (#1811887) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: bobad So is love. |
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16 Aug 06 - 11:31 PM (#1811892) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace I took my troubles down to Madame Rue. You know that gypsy with the gold capped tooth She's got a pad down on 34th and Vine, Selling little bottles of Love Potion #9. I told her that I was a flop with chicks. I've been disgraced since 1956. She looked at my palm and she made a magic sign. She said what you need is Love Potion number 9. She bent down and turned around and gave me a wink. She said I'm gonna make it up right here in the sink. It smelled like turpentine, and looked like Indian ink. I held my nose, I closed my eyes, I took a drink! I didn't know if it was day or night. I started kissing everything in sight. But when I kissed a cop down on 34th and Vine. He broke my little bottle of Love Potion number 9. INSTRUMENTAL I held my nose, I closed my eyes, I took a drink! I didn't know if it was day or night. I started kissing everything in sight. But when I kissed a cop down on 34th and Vine. He broke my little bottle of Love Potion number 9. Love Potion #9... Love Potion #9... Love Potion #9... |
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16 Aug 06 - 11:45 PM (#1811908) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk True, bobad, true. |
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17 Aug 06 - 06:01 AM (#1812079) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST,walt I always thought that the Bolshevik Revolution was a product of some 20 million Russian war dead ,together with intolerable conditions on the home front and corruption and decay of the old order. The February Revolution meant that tens of thousands of Russian soldiers streamed away from the front and the end of th war cabinet. The Bolshevik led October Revolution a few months later was to turn the world upside down if only for a few years with the Bolsheviks ending Russian participation in the slaughterhouse that was WW1 and the declaration of a workers republic. walt |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:23 AM (#1812114) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: chucky Martin Gibson was right about one thing, you people really are anti semitic. |
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17 Aug 06 - 08:20 AM (#1812160) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe Ah! "Marty in Disguise - with glasses!" |
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17 Aug 06 - 08:21 AM (#1812161) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: AggieD As one who's family did migrate from the Pale (for all of you ignorami, that is the area of Russia where Jews were forced into ghettos in the 18th & 19th Centuries) because they were repressed & poor & prejudiced against. Those Jews who did escape didn't bother sitting on their backsides & expect the world to listen to them & bleat 'poor me' just because of their circumstances, then riot because they were 'repressed'& didn't like what others said about them. No way. They just got out & worked bloody hard, educated their children, built their lives & made their way in the world. This has always caused jealousy & hate or am I just being paranoid because of all the anti-semitic bastards out there. However there was what turned into a riot when Jews in the East End of London went out & protested along with Trade Unionists, Dockers etc. against Mosley's British Union of Fascists who were strutting through the streets during the late 1930's. Again for all those who don't know they were British supporters of Nazi Germany/Hitler. It really makes me sick to the stomach every time I read the idiotic rantings about Jews. Yes there are some ultra-orthodox nutters, but most of us are just ordinary people who quietly get on with our lives, eat sleep love & live the same as everyone else. The amount of times I've had a shock/horror reaction when I tell people that I'm Jewish is unbelievable. I too live an ordinary life & that's all that most of us want surely? Despite all the rantings about the Israelis stealing land from the Arabs/Palestinians let me remind you that the area was a dry dust bowl before the settlement & many of those living there were perfectly happy for the crazy Jew to come in & try to make a living. They were laughed at & ridiculed. Now that Israel is a strong nation, they've changed their tune & will happily kill as many Jews as possible. All Israelis want is to live in exactly the same peaceful way that we expect to do without lving in fear or terrorism every day. Something which we now all have to face unfortunately because the few want the many to suffer. |
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17 Aug 06 - 08:36 AM (#1812181) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "the area was a dry dust bowl before the settlement" ...and when the water - and/or the money to get water there from elsewhere! - runs out, it will be so again... |
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17 Aug 06 - 08:46 AM (#1812192) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 The the collective thoughts and determination of the people of Israel ... and yes money from successful Jews globally will keep it going. Is there anything wrong with giving money to help out a cause one beleives in? Jews look after each other, so do Italians, Koreans, Muslims .... It would be more benefical if all humans looked after each other as humans ... but currently we haven't reached that plateau yet. Yes Aggie, a lot of resentment regarding Jews is due to misunderstanding and jealousness. sIx |
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17 Aug 06 - 08:53 AM (#1812204) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 The 2nd statement in my post up above does not refer to giving moneies to help eliminate another 'group of peoples' ... just stating this before this thread goes off on a rant of providing money to paramilitary or military groups to be used for any offensive destructive manners. sIx |
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17 Aug 06 - 01:28 PM (#1812366) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: AggieD No Foolestroupe you are wrong, it was bloody hard back breaking work work that turned the place from a dustbowl into a garden & not money. I know that because my Mother in Law & her first husband were amongst those who lived & worked through all sorts of hardships, picking stones out of the ground to make the land suitable to be planted, digging ditches to irrigate that land, living a hand to mouth existence to help those people who would eventually stay on & try to live their lives in peace & quiet. Of course Jews help others with support, monetary or otherwise. This is probably why we are so hated & misunderstood. People can't understand that we consider ourselves to be one large family & will do everything we can to support each other. That's not to say that we don't support others. Our Synagogue regularly supports a hospital that specialises in helping Palestinian mothers & babies, and the amount of charity that I know many people give to non-Jewish organisations is vast. It is one of the most basic tenents of our religion to give charity & help those who can't help themselves. If you don't like that then you're just an anti-semitic idiot who knows nothing about us. I'm not blind or blinkered & I hate what's been happening in Lebanon, but if you are stupid enough to think that Israel is going to just sit back while Hizbollah, Iran, Syria or any onther country sends it's bombs & suicide bombers in, then think again. How would you Americans feel if suddenly Mexico took to sending missiles into Texas because they wanted the state & believed that Americans should get out of land that they believed was historically theirs? Strange comparison Huh!! Just remember that Iran has nuclear power. Do you trust them to only use it for domestic power? If you do then you are more of a fool than I already think you are. However I am sure quite sure that if there was no oil in all this then many western countries would just turn the blind eye that they have done in places like Zimbabwe. |
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17 Aug 06 - 02:02 PM (#1812386) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: C. Ham BTW, Little Hawk, today, in 2006, approximately 20% of the Jews in Canada are living below the poverty line. |
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17 Aug 06 - 05:54 PM (#1812539) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Bill Hahn//\\ And let us never forget that little annoyance know as the Warsaw Ghetto Uprsising---nothing but troublemakers when the peaceful Deutsche Volk (A K A National Socialists--Nazis) just wanted to give them a neighborhood of their own---albeit a temporary one. Bill H |
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17 Aug 06 - 06:25 PM (#1812564) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Most folks wouldn't have looked twice at this guy . . . . |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:19 PM (#1812599) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Yeah, I can believe that, C. Ham. I had thought of mentioning the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, Bill, in fact I did mention it awhile back....but maybe it was on another thread. Point being: Jews, like anyone else, will riot under extreme conditions of various sorts...and in that case the conditions were about as extreme as it can possibly get. I do believe that a sense of powerlessness, combined with a sense of outrage, is most often the primary thing that causes people to riot. Aggie, you are quite right. If there was no oil in that region, the West would turn a blind eye and basically not give a damn. Sheer pragmatism is what lies behind most, if not all military alliances. The lengthy Cold War between the Soviets and the West also greatly complicated the situation, as it did in numerous other places. |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:29 PM (#1812612) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace IMO, The WGU was not a riot. It was resistance in which 60,000 poorly-armed people fought those Nazi bastards and held them off for just under four weeks. They had little food, zip for medicines, and they had to barter for ammunition and smuggle it INTO the Ghetto. Let it be clear: France fell in just over a month; Poland itself in just under a month (albeit, they were also attacked by Russia); Denmark gave in (after sinking their fleet); Norway in about a month (Oslo in just a few days). Yeah. Yeah . . . . |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:38 PM (#1812621) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Yes, that is accurate. It was fullscale armed resistance. Like the Jews at Masada, they had nothing left to lose. |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:48 PM (#1812637) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe 1) I'm NOT American! 2) I only act the fool - but it does fool some... |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:52 PM (#1812642) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Hitler disarmed the civil populations of every country he invaded. Those with firearm registration rules were the easiest to disarm. His decree that any jew could not own a weapon was simply an extension of the 1928 Weimar Republics gun control laws. Any delay in handing in weapons meant many were rounded up and killed just for a delay of one hour beyond the deadline for handing them in. (one reason why your second ammendment should have been your first in my opinion) It was not easy to obtain weapons but the WGU happened, further proof that such laws are unworkable. Remember the Auschwitz uprising too? One oven destroyed by the Jewish Sonder Kommando. (good work boys) |
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17 Aug 06 - 10:28 PM (#1812750) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 "It was fullscale armed resistance. Like the Jews at Masada, they had nothing left to lose." And like the Jews of current Israel today, resisting total destruction from the hezbollah, they have nothing else to lose. sIx |
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17 Aug 06 - 11:27 PM (#1812780) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Uh-huh. The trouble is, Hezbollah and Hamas and the Iranians hold exactly the same philosophy. You have several sets of people there who are convinced that they have nothing left to lose...and that it's all the other guy's fault...and that they dare not show one sign of weakness or step back a single step. The same error in all cases. In a room full of paranoid people who all hate and fear each other and are all convinced that it's completely the other guy's fault...what happens next? Can anything good happen? Iran threatens to destroy Israel. Isreal threatens to destroy Iran. Hamas threatens to wipe out Israel. Israel threatens to wipe out Hamas. And so on, and so on... Sounds to me like two sets of people suffering from the same basic psychological problem. And they will all say: "Yeah, but they did it to us first!" (And believe it too.) |
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17 Aug 06 - 11:38 PM (#1812787) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 Yeah I know ... The Romans had the same fear of the Zealots. sIx |
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17 Aug 06 - 11:43 PM (#1812790) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace I will trust Israelis with weapons before I would ever trust Hezbollah or Hamas with weapons. I don't recall Israeli terrorist attacks in other people's countries, and that includes the very deplorable and misfortunate killing of an innocent man after the Munich massacre of Israeli olympic athletes. Oh yes, that was ANOTHER Muslim 'freedom organization' thing. |
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17 Aug 06 - 11:45 PM (#1812792) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Yes, heroically, like Foghorn Leghorn, resisting total destruction by the gritty little Chicken Hawk, The Jews in current Israel today resisting total destruction by Hezbollah. |
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17 Aug 06 - 11:50 PM (#1812795) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 Foghorn Leghorn and Chicken Hawk .... are a cartoon ... is that where you get your history lessons from ... cartoons ?!?!?! sIx |
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17 Aug 06 - 11:56 PM (#1812800) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Yes, but that's your emotional predisposition, Peace. You see Israel as "good" and its opponents as "bad". Iranians have the exact opposite emotional predisposition. That's why you would find it hard to understand where they're coming from...and vice versa. You think they're crazy. They would think you are crazy. I think they're all a bit crazy. I don't trust anyone who is willing and ready to attack someone else, and says so plainly. It's a civil crime to utter death threats, and it should be seen as a national crime as well. (This would make Bush a criminal too, which he is, in fact.) Accordingly, I would be inclined to trust neither Israel nor Israel's enemies with deadly weapons. They have both proven unworthy of such trust many times now. And if I somehow had the power...as a world authority WITH that kind of power...I would completely disarm ALL of them from this day forward...and I would interpose neutral forces between them, as was done in Cyprus. But no one has that power. Or at least...no one has the unity or the will to enforce it. It's really just the Wild West out there, and he with the most hired guns rules the range. |
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18 Aug 06 - 12:00 AM (#1812805) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 The Wild, Wild West .... the rancher had to fight to save his land, protect his family ... no one else around for miles to help. sIx |
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18 Aug 06 - 12:10 AM (#1812809) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Little Hawk: It seems you have a predisposition to dislike Israel. Israel didn't start the war. Hezbollah did. That's all there is to it. I will ask again, because I think I asked you once before: If YOU were the Israelis, how long would you have tolerated rocket attacks before you became a 'bully'? Tell me that, HOW LONG? |
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18 Aug 06 - 12:15 AM (#1812813) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace "BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- A video showing Lebanese soldiers cordially offering Israeli troops glasses of tea during the military offensive earlier this month has hit Israeli and Hezbollah airwaves." from A little viewing for some folks here. |
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18 Aug 06 - 12:36 AM (#1812821) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 That is a good link Peace ... nothing like a good cuppa tea, good conversation ... and it's good to see President Bush is being briefed by the Lebanese and Israeli armies ... even though it pisses the hell out of the Hezbollah. sIx |
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18 Aug 06 - 12:51 AM (#1812826) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace LOL sIx, I took the link from another thread. It was one YOU found. Mazel Tov. |
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18 Aug 06 - 01:34 AM (#1812843) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Peace, sIx You two are like Bob and Doug if they were listening to Limbaugh reading from the Calgary Sun. Hezbollah has about the same chance of destroying Israel as you two do of making sense. LOL |
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18 Aug 06 - 07:22 AM (#1812903) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "I don't recall Israeli terrorist attacks in other people's countries" You don't want to? |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:52 AM (#1812938) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: beardedbruce LH- Source for " Isreal threatens to destroy Iran."? |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:57 AM (#1812941) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 Jack ... I never said Hezbelloh could destroy Israel .... if they could, they certainly would. Never said Israel would destroy Lebanon, Syria or Iran ... they certainly could, and obviously haven't. As per Limbaugh ... I abhor him ... certainly not my politics. Hard to understand for you I know. BTW Jack ... do you have the Hezbollah flag hanging in your house, above the TV, the same TV where you watch Looney Toones. ... you know the flag, the one depicting a hand clutching an AK47. sIx |
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18 Aug 06 - 10:53 AM (#1812982) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor You have exactly the same politics as Limbaugh on this issue sunshine. And as George Bush. You are in such good company. You not only said that they could destroy Israel, you said they could destroy it totally. Here And like the Jews of current Israel today, resisting total destruction from the hezbollah, they have nothing else to lose. Or are you saying that the Jews are resisting something that could never possibly happen? Either way, It make no sense at all. Bob and Doug ought to stop chugging the brewskis while they are posting eh? |
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18 Aug 06 - 11:10 AM (#1812993) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 OK ... you got that line on me. But let's face the fact Jack. The mandate of Hezbollah is the total destruction of Israel. Israel will protect it's people from harm ... they will fight back from any violent intrusion onto it's citizens. Maybe Limbaugh, and Bush do support Israel ... but that certainly does not mean my politics is in alignment with theirs. Those who know me can certainly attest to that. Yes Jack, you can lean on the left side of the political spectrum and still support Israel. Maybe it's time you left the USA and come back home Jack ... it's August, the sun is shining here on the East Coast ... some good salt air would do you some good. sIx |
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18 Aug 06 - 11:48 AM (#1813016) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic I remember reading (possibly hearing this on NPR) that either Israel or Jewish artists were going to hold a contest to 'outdo' the Iranian one. I s'pect that there wasn't much motivation on the follow through. Nevertheless, I'm curious as to whether the Iranian competition is open to Jews. |
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18 Aug 06 - 01:04 PM (#1813082) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk You're quite right, Peace, I do have a disposition to dislike Israel. And that is clear...just as you have a disposition to dislike Israel's opponents. The reason why I have that disposition? Well, it doesn't have anything to do with Jews, #1. Matter of fact, I used to like Israel, back in the 60's. I thought they were a plucky little nation. I wasn't much interested in the Arabs a the time, and didn't give much thought to the Middle East either. Mostly I was concerned about Vietnam at the time. The reasons I gradually developed quite a prejudice against Israel are: I began to get the impression from about 1973 on that they were acting as a catspaw for grand American strategy in the Middle East...that strategy being aimed at dominating the region. Why? Beause of oil, that's why. I began to get the impression that they thought of themselves as a law unto themselves, and felt free to attack anyone they wanted, any time they wanted, because they were so confident of their absolute military superiority, AND of the backing of the USA that they considered themselves to be untouchable. I don't care for that sort of arrogance, and I don't care for a stacked deck where one side has such massive technological backing that they can just walk all over the other side with impunity. I don't consider Israel "small" anymore. I consider them to be the armoured fist on the end of one of America's very long arms. I don't consider them to be a "victim", I consider them to be a victimizer. Now...as regards their opponents...I have no liking for the Syrian government, or the Iranian government. I have no admiration for suicide bombers or people who want to "wipe Israel off the map". But, yeah, the Israelis piss me off more than the people who are fighting them, simply because they're so powerful, so arrogant in their assurance of power, and because they're holding a stacked deck in the military games that are being played out there. None of this has anything to do with my opinion of Jews. I have NO bad opinion of Jews as a people, and never have had a bad opinion of Jews as a people. It has to do with my opinion of the political and military policies and plans of Israel and the USA in the Middle Eastern region. |
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18 Aug 06 - 01:14 PM (#1813092) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: dianavan You said that well. You and alot of other people are feeling the same way. Like you, I once championed the cause of Israel. I have learned to look at the big picture in the Middle East and no longer support the Israeli war machine. Most Zionists are dogmatic and arrogant. |
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18 Aug 06 - 02:55 PM (#1813187) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Slaughtering civilians is wrong, plain and simple. I am pissed off at Hezbollah for the 39 that they killed in the past month. But Israel takes the cake with nearly 700. Make all the excuses for them that you want. But people are starting to tire of the the excuses. |
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18 Aug 06 - 03:33 PM (#1813211) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Getting pretty damned tired of radical Islam too Jack mate |
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18 Aug 06 - 04:00 PM (#1813225) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 "Slaughtering civilians is wrong, plain and simple" ... can't argue that Jack. But would you and LH cheer on the Hezbollah's continous rocketing of Israel ... if Israel sat still and did absolutely nothing? ridiculous question ... yes ... but I find anyone who who has any sympathies towards a paramilitary organization, that is manipulaive towards it's own people to gloss over their open mandate to destroy a another country and it's people ridiculous if not repugnant. LH ... your hatred towards Israel just because they are strong militarily, and what you perceive as arrogance of assurance of power is absolutely pathetic .... personally I don't hate any country ragardless on their wealth, size, power. Israel has never attacked without being provoked, or without the threat of being provoked. Yes, when they are hit, they hit back hard. Maybe profocateurs should just leave them alone. sIx |
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18 Aug 06 - 04:06 PM (#1813229) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk I don't hate them. I disagree with their aggressive policies. I also disagree with the aggressive policies of those who attack them. I also disagree with America's aggressive policies, and China's aggressive policies, etc, etc, etc... |
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18 Aug 06 - 04:09 PM (#1813230) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 I should add (once again) when your living in the wild, wild west, one must take every precaution with every means possible to protect your ranch, livestock and last but most important your family. The wild, wild west is an excellent description of the mideast LH. Because that is exactly what it is. One should not be condemned just because their ranch is prosperous. sIx |
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18 Aug 06 - 04:12 PM (#1813232) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 I would argue that their policies are yes aggressive, but defensively aggressive ... as I mentioned they hit back hard, ok maybe too hard, but they certainly are not out to make the middlesast their empire. sIx |
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18 Aug 06 - 04:23 PM (#1813235) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Well, that's where we disagree. I think that they and the USA do intend exactly that: to make the Middle East their empire. The Israelis will get to dominate the western parts of the area, and will secure control of the water rights. The Americans will get the center and the east and the oil. Together they then control the entire region. I think that is the plan. It requires war against first Syria and Iran, possibly using some tactical nukes on Iran. After them, move into Saudia Arabia. The trouble with such a plan is, it will not stop there. It will trigger a wordwide Islamic response. Furthermore, the Russians and the Chinese will not stand aside, because there is too much at stake for them...specially for China. China needs access to Iranian oil to fuel their rapidly modernizing society. I do not regard the Israeli policy as defensive, I regard it as part of American offensive plans, and I think those plans may very well plunge the world into a 3rd World War...which in the end will probably destroy Israel and a lot of other people too, along with them. |
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18 Aug 06 - 04:35 PM (#1813245) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: dianavan The wild west is a good example. The European settlers are being attacked by the natives. |
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18 Aug 06 - 05:56 PM (#1813318) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: artbrooks Hezbollah is a European organization? I didn't know that. |
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18 Aug 06 - 07:04 PM (#1813379) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Bill Hahn//\\ Artbrooks: are you a fan of Geo. Orwell and Newspeak? I never realized that Hezbollah was being attacked and put upon. Thanks for the enlightenment---Oceania is at war---it always is. AH---hate the cement that binds the "oppressed" and, who in fact are the ones that want to run Lebanon. Sort of like the Khmer Rouge and Cambodia. They are just doing it in reverse---become local heros by feeding on hate of Israel and then "rescuing" the Lebanese who never wanted to fight in the first place. Things were pretty good in Beirut until Hezbollah decided things had to change---their way. Remember the Black Panthers here in the U S. They fed the poor kids and did outreach---and killed people as well. Number Six: Quite correct on most counts---so I merely have to say---"Shane---come back we need you again---Shane--Shane. Damn---he just keeps riding into the sunset just when we need him once again. Guess we have to handle the rustlers on our own." Bill H |
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18 Aug 06 - 08:30 PM (#1813408) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe You see, the Indians attacked those settlers cause they thought that the settlers were stealing the land that their deity had given them inperputity... |
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18 Aug 06 - 08:42 PM (#1813414) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe You see, the Indians attacked those settlers cause they thought that the settlers were stealing the land that their deity had given them in perpetutity... |
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18 Aug 06 - 08:56 PM (#1813423) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace perpetutity... forever. |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:19 PM (#1813451) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor "You see, the Indians attacked those settlers cause they thought that the settlers were stealing the land that their deity had given them in perpetutity." Close, The Natives attacked the Settlers who were stealing their land by force. "Slaughtering civilians is wrong, plain and simple" ... can't argue that Jack. But would you and LH cheer on the Hezbollah's continous rocketing of Israel ... if Israel sat still and did absolutely nothing? You lost me at "But". There is no "but" there is no excuse for slaughtering civilians certainly not 700 in a month. And you sir are a liar. I have not cheered Hezbollah and you have had no indication that I would. That is just a cowardly diversion because of your bankrupt, immoral support of the murderers in the IDF, you have run out of argument so now you try to smear me with the same ugly brush with which you have smeared yourself. You accuse me of cheering on murders. |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:21 PM (#1813453) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace But of course there are no murderers in Hezbollah are there? |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:30 PM (#1813461) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk There are murderers in most military and paramilitary organizations. It goes with the territory and the job description. That's partly what drill sarjeants are for...they teach people to murder efficiently, and without hesitation or regret. |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:31 PM (#1813462) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace That wasn't my question, but thanks. |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:32 PM (#1813463) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe Once you start getting into 'ad hominen' arguments at all - even by belittling the other people you are arguing about, you lose your perspective, and and no rational discussion can take place. |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:33 PM (#1813466) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace How does what I said belittle anyone? Is it that the question is inconvenient? |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:37 PM (#1813472) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "How does what I said belittle anyone? " If you honestly can't see that, perhaps we should let you throw your little tantrum in the corner on your own, until you feel calmer and can talk to us rationally again... |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:39 PM (#1813474) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Who died and left you in charge? |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:41 PM (#1813475) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Hezbollah starts a war. So it's Israel's fault now. Gimme a break. |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:45 PM (#1813480) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: freda underhill what jack the sailor said: he said it so well it's worth repeating. "There is no "but" there is no excuse for slaughtering civilians certainly not 700 in a month. And you sir are a liar. I have not cheered Hezbollah and you have had no indication that I would. That is just a cowardly diversion because of your bankrupt, immoral support of the murderers in the IDF, you have run out of argument so now you try to smear me with the same ugly brush with which you have smeared yourself. You accuse me of cheering on murders." jts ps - jts - where is carol? i hope she's ok. |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:46 PM (#1813481) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "Who died and left you in charge? " "How does what I said belittle anyone? " Time for a Handle change, then.... |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:50 PM (#1813484) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: freda underhill "Hezbollah starts a war." Israel started the war, Peace. They sent israeli soldiers into lebanon. Hezbollah captured those soldiers in Lebanon. They were an invading military presence - Hezbollah was responding IN SELF DEFENCE ON LEBANESE SOIL. get it? ps why do you call yourself Peace when you are such a gung-ho cyber warrior? |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:53 PM (#1813486) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: freda underhill ps - that was not a comment supporting Hezbollah - it was a comment responding to the claim that Hezbollah started the war. and peace, Peace. |
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18 Aug 06 - 10:18 PM (#1813494) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 Boy .... Jack's starting to sound like Carol ... or is Jack Carol?? "And you sir are a liar. I have not cheered Hezbollah" ... never said you did ... I said and it's a quote in your post ... "But would you and LH cheer on the Hezbollah's continous rocketing". sIx |
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18 Aug 06 - 10:26 PM (#1813498) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 Yes Bill H ... and i feel this has to be reposted ... Shane---come back we need you again---Shane--Shane. Damn---he just keeps riding into the sunset just when we need him once again. Guess we have to handle the rustlers on our own." sIx |
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18 Aug 06 - 10:27 PM (#1813499) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: bobad Hey freda Let's hear you say that you do not support terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah, whose avowed mission is the destruction of LEGITIMATE states such as Israel. |
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18 Aug 06 - 10:54 PM (#1813518) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 Just to let ya all know, since this conflict has all but been forgotten in our arguing on Hezbollah and Israel ... the civilian death toll for the month of July in Iraq was 3,438, a 9% increase over the month of June. sIx |
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18 Aug 06 - 11:10 PM (#1813528) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic BTW, in Israel it's the Indians who finally got their land back. But since the 'Indians' in this case are Jews they are somehow discounted. |
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18 Aug 06 - 11:14 PM (#1813531) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 "Israel started the war, Peace. They sent israeli soldiers into lebanon. Hezbollah captured those soldiers in Lebanon. They were an invading military presence - Hezbollah was responding IN SELF DEFENCE ON LEBANESE SOIL." Freda ... that statement has no credibility. Freda and Jack, since you both posted this and it's directed at me .... "And you sir are a liar. I have not cheered Hezbollah and you have had no indication that I would. That is just a cowardly diversion because of your bankrupt, immoral support of the murderers in the IDF, you have run out of argument so now you try to smear me with the same ugly brush with which you have smeared yourself. You accuse me of cheering on murders." .... This statement has no credibility also Read my post at 18 Aug 06 - 10:18 PM sIx |
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18 Aug 06 - 11:23 PM (#1813534) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: freda underhill you're right - that info has since been refuted & I should have read the whole thread. For the record (again) I do not support terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah, and i do not support government funded terror either. but I still don't understand why you support massacres of civilians & war crimes in Lebanon. btw the San Francisco Chronicle reports that "more than a year ago, a senior Israeli army officer began giving PowerPoint presentations, on an off-the-record basis, to US and other diplomats, journalists and thinktanks, setting out the plan for the current operation in revealing detail". The attack, he said, would last for three weeks. It would begin with bombing and culminate in a ground invasion. Gerald Steinberg, professor of political science at Bar-Ilan University, told the paper that "of all of Israel's wars since 1948, this was the one for which Israel was most prepared ... By 2004, the military campaign scheduled to last about three weeks that we're seeing now had already been blocked out and, in the last year or two, it's been simulated and rehearsed across the board". A "senior Israeli official" told the Washington Post that the raid by Hizbullah provided Israel with a "unique moment" for wiping out the organisation. The New Statesman's editor, John Kampfner, says he was told by more than one official source that the US government knew in advance of Israel's intention to take military action in Lebanon. The Bush administration told the British government. |
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19 Aug 06 - 06:07 AM (#1813649) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST And your point is? ANY military which does NOT have contingency plans to deal with ongoing and likely threats is less than effective. You CANNOT complain about Israel having plans to deal with Hezbollah, a threat over the last 6 years with random attacks on civilians, and then complain that the US did not have plans to deal with the (unexpected to some) sectarien violence in Iraq. Well, I guess you can, when you are being biased and looking only for a way to blame the victims for defending themselves. |
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19 Aug 06 - 07:43 AM (#1813682) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe This thread is now running close to just being an abuse thread. If you have to resort to throwing abuse at and calling those who oppose your point of view a liar, then you may just have nothing else to contribute, except the abuse. I was taught during my debating training that he who can only put up abuse to defend his point of view has lost. At the very least he will cause others to distance themselves from him. |
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19 Aug 06 - 03:36 PM (#1813953) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor I see Robomatic has joined the silly statements team. The recent battle Lebanon was comparable to the seige of Masada, Israel has recently kept Hezbollah from destroying it and now "Israel are the indians returning to their land." I keep expecting you all to say "just kidding" and then to talk like reasonable, truthful people. This little war has been a sordid, dirty bloodbath. There is no excuse for slaughtering civilians and the wholesale destruction of civilian infrastructure. Peace, Apparently this requires repeating. If I'm required to repeat it to you again. I won't. I'm now giving you credit for having missed it. If you say or imply one more time that I am cheering for murders, I'll be forced to conclude that you are deliberately libeling me. I have not cheered Hezbollah, I have said that killing 39 Israel civilians was wrong. I also feel strongly that killing 700 civilians was wrong. 700 is a much much larger number that 39, is it not? Freida, Carol is sitting next to me. She is fine and she says hi. |
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19 Aug 06 - 03:39 PM (#1813956) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Jack, What the fuck are you talking about? |
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19 Aug 06 - 03:44 PM (#1813958) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace PS Your statement about libel: You seem to have read someone else's post and assumed it was my post. Please quote what you seem to think I have said to you--or shut the fuck up. |
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19 Aug 06 - 03:53 PM (#1813962) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk For a nice break from all this divisive fooferaw...go to the "Non-political, Non-religious" thread and post NOW. Do it. You'll be glad you did. |
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19 Aug 06 - 03:53 PM (#1813963) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: bobad Jack, can you provide a source (other than Hezbollah) for the numbers you cite? This post tells a different tale. |
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19 Aug 06 - 03:57 PM (#1813965) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic JTS: My comment was a general one, not related to the recent unpleasantness. I think there are plenty of folk who would cheer if a documented tribe of American Indians managed to return to their ancestral lands. Many of these same people do not cheer for the Jews in the identical parallel situation. It is no more "silly" than when somebody earlier on this thread sent: "You see, the Indians attacked those settlers cause they thought that the settlers were stealing the land that their deity had given them in perpetutity." Close, The Natives attacked the Settlers who were stealing their land by force. Jews have been saying "next year in Jerusalem" for a long time. Finally some of them got the wherewithal to start the return and were met by obstacles at every turn, including this really cruel one where the Israeli state has resettled Jews from Arab lands, but the Arab states, much larger and more numerous, have on purpose refused resettlement to those Arabs from what is now Israel. In the recent unpleasantness, which has resulted in life lost on both sides of the border, only Arabs have been killed on the North side of the border, because no Jews are allowed to live in equality among Arabs now, yet on the South side of that border, both Jews and Arabs have been victimized by over a thousand rockets launched indiscriminately at Israeli towns and cities. Not only that, Hezbollah leaders urged Israeli Arabs to leave the area, so they could be assured of more Jewish victims, harking back to the days when Arabs left their homes in the area of fighting so that the national Arab armies could ethnically cleanse the Jews from the area, hence resulting in a lot of the departed Arabs who now wish that their grandchildren can inherit their forfeited lands. The fact that more civilians died in the North than the South seems to be 'unfair' to you. I wonder if you would be quite so concerned if the death toll had been reversed. Have you bothered to take the toll of how many Israelis have been killed by Homicide bombers as opposed to Arabs killed by Jewish homicide bombers? Regards to Carol. Hope to see her back in Mudcat soon, either side of the line. |
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19 Aug 06 - 04:06 PM (#1813973) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor "Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 - PM Date: 18 Aug 06 - 10:18 PM Boy .... Jack's starting to sound like Carol ... or is Jack Carol?? "And you sir are a liar. I have not cheered Hezbollah" ... never said you did ... I said and it's a quote in your post ... "But would you and LH cheer on the Hezbollah's continous rocketing". sIx" Six, I'm not going to quibble with you over meaningless semantics. You had no basis at all to accuse LH and I of cheering for Hezbollah. Your posing this accusation in a rhetorical question does not excuse that. Your tactics seem remarkably similar to the IDF's. They say they are targeting Hezbollah, but when 700 civilians and most of Lebanon's infrstructure get destroyed, it was an "accident". It was an "accident" but they had it coming. It was an "accident" that the Israeli cabinet said they would carry out. It was an "accident", and the Israelis dropped leaflets saying that if Hezbollah is allowed to rearm the same "accident" would happen again only worse. You say "But would you and LH cheer on the Hezbollah's continous rocketing". You say this after I had condemned the rocketing by Hezbollah. Obviously you are not asking a question to which you expect an answer. You already had your answer. But now you are trying to imply that you asked an innocent question, with the further implication being that if some third person reads what you have said and infers that LH and I are cheering on Hezbollah, then that would be an "accident". It would be an "accident" but we had it coming. Slaughtering innocent civilians is wrong. There are no excuses. Lying about what someone has said is wrong. There are no excuses. You are a liar. You lied about what I said. Show some courage. Own up to that. |
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19 Aug 06 - 04:13 PM (#1813981) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 Jack ... Read my post again ... I never accused you .. I asked 'would you'. I think it's time this thread was closed ... it's now becoming ridiculous and downright nasty. It's no longer a debate. sIx |
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19 Aug 06 - 04:15 PM (#1813984) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor I'm sorry if I was mistaken Peace, but I thought this was directed toward me. Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace - PM Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:21 PM But of course there are no murderers in Hezbollah are there? If it was. It was clearing a sarcastic statement phrased as a question accusing me of condemning Israel for Murder while excusing Hezbollah. |
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19 Aug 06 - 04:16 PM (#1813986) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Thank you. Now, please don't talk with me again. |
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19 Aug 06 - 04:31 PM (#1814004) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Jack ... Read my post again ... I never accused you .. I asked 'would you'. I addressed that in my last post to you. You didn't ask any question you expected an answer to. I think it's time this thread was closed ... it's now becoming ridiculous and downright nasty. It's no longer a debate. sIx I thought it was pretty ridiculous when you were talking about Hezbollah destroying Israel. I thought it turned nasty when you accused me and Little Hawk of supporting Hezbollah, and no I don't give a damn if you phrased it as a question or not. We aren't playing Jeopary. I really don't give a damn if the thread is closed or not. What's one thread more or less on the Mudcat? |
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19 Aug 06 - 04:38 PM (#1814011) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Robo, What you said struck me as pretty funny. But I was wrong to mention it in the same bit with sIx and Peace. If I were to draw a line down the middle of a piece of paper and write all the similarities between the Israelis and the Indians on one side and all the similarities between the Palestinians and the Indians on the other, then apparently I would come to a very different conclusion than you would doing the same exercise. |
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19 Aug 06 - 04:38 PM (#1814012) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 bye bye Jack. sIx |
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19 Aug 06 - 04:49 PM (#1814019) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: bobad - PM Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:53 PM Jack, can you provide a source (other than Hezbollah) for the numbers you cite? This post tells a different tale. Bobad. I get my news from conventional sources CBC, CNN, Reuters, NPR. I'm not going to go look up the numbers for you. But if you have numbers for civilian death tolls that are different and want to show them to me in an official news source. I'll be glad to read them. Peace and sIx had the choice of refuting what I said by citing data. But the numbers, even Israel's numbers, makes Israel look bad. So they chose to try to trap me into defending Hezbollah. |
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19 Aug 06 - 08:09 PM (#1814137) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Let me try and put it in context for you. The Jews were persecuted,killed, driven off their lands, exiled, deported, refused basic rights, until after many massacres they were given a tiny reservation by all the big bad bullies in the world. Now every bastard around them want's their reservation land back under their control; and if possible wants all the jews dead in the process. Sound familiar? |
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19 Aug 06 - 11:31 PM (#1814217) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Not at all, Dave. Sounds like a story made up by someone with a continent-sized martyrdom complex to me. That land was not given to them by a bunch of "bullies". It wasn't given to them by anyone. They took it by force. Nobody wants that piece of land back except some of the people who were born in that area or whose parents or grandparents were. I sure as hell don't want it. The Germans don't want it. The Chinese don't want it. The Dutch don't want it. The Russians don't want it. The French don't even want it anymore. Who the hell would want it except the Jews and the other Semitic peoples who have lived in that area for the last few generations? Jews do not own the world patent on "victimhood" or martyrdom. It's not exclusive to Jews. In fact, Muslims of various varieties are rapidly adopting it as their credo now, and using it to motivate their struggle against Israel and the USA...and that seems rather ironical under the circumstances. One set of professional victims (Jews) have succeeded, by over 50 years of war, in creating another set of professional victims (Muslims)...and the two are bound and determined to kill each other off now in the name of their past grievances...just like 2 scorpions locked in a fatal embrace. And....they BOTH revere the same ancient prophets and holy texts!!!!! They are all reputedly the desendants of Moses and Abraham and King Solomon and the rest. So it's a family quarrel. What a ludicrous situation it is. |
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20 Aug 06 - 12:34 AM (#1814231) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Invictus There are a lot of cartoons available here. Interestingly enough, there are a lot of cartoons depicting the Israelis as Nazis or as the Nazis characterized Jews. But most cartoons on display on the internet are based on the Arab-Israeli conflicts, not the Holocaust. There are a lot of photos of the Holocaust cartoon exhibition, showing crowds attending, but not so much the cartoons themselves. I'm still trying to navigate the site but have your own go. |
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20 Aug 06 - 02:49 AM (#1814259) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Why do you want to see these cartoons? |
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20 Aug 06 - 04:00 AM (#1814267) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe To judge for himself, and not just consume anyone's blatant political spin, I would guess. |
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20 Aug 06 - 06:09 AM (#1814316) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Guess noone reads history anymore LH |
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20 Aug 06 - 09:07 AM (#1814389) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: bobad "It wasn't given to them by anyone. They took it by force." The 1947 U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the remaining 25% of Palestine into a Jewish Palestinian State and a SECOND Arab Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentrations. The Jewish Palestinians accepted... the Arab Palestinians rejected. The Arabs still wanted ALL of Palestine... both east http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html |
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20 Aug 06 - 09:28 AM (#1814399) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Was it the UN's to give? If you tell me you think God gave it to them, I'll respect your opinion on that. But if your trying to tell me an outside body gave away land that someone was living on, to be a country for a third party. Well I find that funny. Of course they wanted all of it. How would you feel if the UN gave away part of your country? |
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20 Aug 06 - 09:52 AM (#1814409) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Bobad That website seems like a wonderful source opinion. I wouldn't go to it for information. For one thing according to the UN, who you say gave away the land, there was and still is a Palestine. Masada2000.org's editors seem to be halucinating their information. Here is a UN History of Palestine I'm sure it is a better source for information about UN declarations. Bad news for your argument. According to the UN, whose document you reference, Israel, Jordan and Egypt "took it (Palestine) by force. And expelled over drove away more than half of the population. Do you thing that is what that "right of return" stuff refers to? After looking at various alternatives, the UN proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947). One of the two States envisaged in the partition plan proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war expanded to occupy 77 per cent of the territory of Palestine. Israel also occupied the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled. Jordan and Egypt occupied the other parts of the territory assigned by the partition resolution to the Palestinian Arab State which did not come into being. |
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20 Aug 06 - 10:27 AM (#1814420) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Treaty of Sèvres. By this treaty the sultan's government renounced all claims to non-Turkish territory. The kingdom of the Hijaz was recognized as independent. Syria became a mandate of France, and Mesopotamia (with Mosul), as well as Palestine, became British mandates. Smyrna and its hinterland were to be administered by Greece for five years, after which a plebiscite was to be held. The Dodecanese and Rhodes went to Italy, while Thrace and the remainder of the Turkish islands in the Aegean were assigned to Greece. Armenia was recognized as independent. The Straits were to be internationalized and the adjoining territory demilitarized. Istanbul and the strip of territory to the Chatalja lines remained Turkish, as did the remainder of Anatolia. lets give it back to the Turks and let them decide who lives there. |
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20 Aug 06 - 11:42 AM (#1814449) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: bobad "That website seems like a wonderful source opinion. I wouldn't go to it for information." Of course you wouldn't - it's written by Jews. "who you say gave away the land" I don't say it, the UN does. "Bad news for your argument" I make no argument, I just don't see it as black and white as LH does when he says "they took it by force", that's a bit too simplistic IMO. "Was it the UN's to give?" The UN, acting in it's capacity as a body representing the countries of the world, deemed it imperative that the Jewish people have a homeland. You may not like that but it seems that the majority of countries had no problem with it. |
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20 Aug 06 - 01:31 PM (#1814497) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Jewish fighters took it by force and set up a new government in the region. The U.N. then chose to recognize that as a fait accompli. I imagine that there were a lot of political reasons behind that...not least of which this one: "The many displaced European Jews who are looking for a new home now in the wake of the disastrous events of WWII won't be our problem if they go to Palestine, they'll be somebody else's problem. Somebody whom no one really gives a damn about anyway. Hmmm...sounds like a plan! Let's ratify it." I repeat, no one gave it to them. They took it, by violent struggle and they held it. The U.N. rubber stamped the result. You can call that "giving it to them", if you want to. I don't. Anyway, I don't think it's legal to give away someone else's land to a third party, is it? I know it's not legal in most places. Face it, the world wasn't being nice to either the Jews or the Palestinians in that situation. The world was passing the buck and shifting a complex cultural problem onto someone else's shoulders. I don't think they so much "deemed it imperative that the Jewish people have a homeland".... I think they merely deemed it imperative that that homeland be....someplace else. Someplace where the locals didn't have a strong enough voice or enough international muscle to effectively say "no". And there were, of course, ancient religious and cultural connections for Jews to that region, so it was all quite convenient from the point of view of various self-interested western nations who really didn't want to deal with the problem themselves. But they have had to deal with it ever since anyway...so I'd say they miscalculated. I don't think that in truth the Jews have ever been treated fairly or equitably by the victors of WWII. They're never been treated as equal human beings by the non-Jewish majority in the West, although a lot of politically correct noise has been made to give that impression. Jews have instead been stigmatized and exploited, and their desire to achieve nationhood has been used to advance other geopolitical agendas which are not truly in their interest at all. Both Jews and Muslims have suffered greatly as a result of that. What has it mostly been about? Cold war power games between Russia and the West...and who gets to control the oil and other strategic considerations in the Middle East. |
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20 Aug 06 - 01:39 PM (#1814500) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Dave (the ancient mariner) I give up on here Tacitus wrote "ten thousand opinions are of no value if the men have no knowledge of the subject" |
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20 Aug 06 - 01:45 PM (#1814503) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: bobad I'm with you Dave. |
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20 Aug 06 - 02:07 PM (#1814514) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk People always subjectively interpret history to suit their emotional agenda, don't they? Whose land was that land to give away? What do you think? Does anyone give away their land willingly? No. People will sometimes share land willingly...by allowing immigration. Even then, there is usually a backlash of some kind by many of the local people if too many new immigrants come in at one time, and we've all seen that from time to time. I witnessed a wave of considerable prejudice against Indo-Pakistani immigrants in Canada in the 70's and 80's, for example...simply because there were a lot of them at that time. There was tremendous prejudice against the Irish when they were emigrating in great numbers to North America in the mid-1800's, and for the same reason...there were a lot of them, and people felt threatened in some way. Jewish immigration into Palestine after WWII was a bit unusual, wouldn't you say? It was more militant than such immigration usually is. It involved organized acts of terrorism and war. Is it surprising that that has led to continued bitterness and warfare? I don't see any simple solution. If anyone else does, let's hear it. If your solution is to totally intimdate one side into surrender by applying massive military force, I would suggest to you that that has already been tried over and over again by all the involved parties...and it has not succeeded. It's not going to succeed. |
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20 Aug 06 - 02:54 PM (#1814538) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Let the Jew haters have the thread. That way we'll know where they are. |
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20 Aug 06 - 03:03 PM (#1814542) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Let the Muslim haters have the thread. That way we'll know where they are. ;-) (actually, we won't know in either case....and even if we did know, it wouldn't matter anyway) Let's find something we can all agree on instead, like how terrific Barry Manilow's recordings are. |
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20 Aug 06 - 03:07 PM (#1814545) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic C'mon LH: you are correct about people's subjective impression of events, and you are right in there with 'em. We've been over this territory before. You frankly sympathize with the underdog, but your version of who is underdog is whoever is in the ring, and you sympathize with whoever is showing more sweat or blood by the minute. Your 'sympathy' and those who think as you, serves to continue the battle till both combatants are drained utterly and/or dead. Call it "Persian" sympathy after the habit of Persia to supply both sides to its dueling neighbors, in the good ol' days when they were trying to conquer Greece. In another venue I explained to you my reasons for indicating that Israel remains the underdog in its battle for existence, taking into account the history of the region and the nature of the Arab states who control the dispersion of the Arabs from the new state of Israel. End The Unjust Jewish Occupation Of Arab Lands Meanwhile, if I understand the reason for this thread, it is a slightly different 'take' on events. It is not about Israel versus Arabs, it is comparing how Muslims reacted to some published cartoons of a frankly mild nature against Muslim justification of terrorism and now how there are some explicitly nasty cartoons being displayed either approving of the Holocaust or indicating that it never happened (or, as modern Nazis maintain, both at the same time!). |
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20 Aug 06 - 03:34 PM (#1814567) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace "Let the Muslim haters have the thread." To correct your typo, "Hezbollah haters, not Muslim. Thank you. And goodbye. |
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20 Aug 06 - 06:31 PM (#1814642) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Bobad, I don't care where the people who wrote the website go to church, or Temple. I do care that they are wrong. The Palestinians do exist, putting quotes around the word won't make them go away. You said that a UN resolution gave the land to Israel, but you dismiss what the UN has to say about it. That Tacitus quote no doubt most strongly applies to those who refuse to see information when it is right in front of them. Jew Hater's Peace? I'm not a Jew hater. I'm a state terrorism hater and a war hater. I don't like what Hezbollah is doing and I don't like what IDF has done since it was a little terrorist cell called the Stern gang. But today someone has to defend Israel and someone has to defend the Shiites in Lebanon. I just think they ouoght to do it without committing war crimes against humanity, killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure. |
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20 Aug 06 - 07:48 PM (#1814699) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic JTS: Nice Try: The Stern Gang was indeed a nice bunch of a-holes. ONe of the few cases where when the English caught 'em they did not make trial. The IDF possibly traces its origin to the Haganah, which has been accused of terrorsim in its own right, but nothinglike the very tiny band known as The Stern Gang. This 'inaccuracy' puts your motives in question, since it's pretty obvious. Hezbollah is so wedded to civilians, both as provider and predator, that it is impossible to separate going after Hezbollah from (the admittedly euphemistic term of) collateral damage. Early on in the conflict there were some 'catters predicting tens of thousands of casualties, which is what a country with command of the air was perfectly capable of inflicting. That this did not happen is a sign of limited aim. That this did not stop the PR campaign, along with inaccuracies if not downright lies, is no surprise. |
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20 Aug 06 - 07:49 PM (#1814700) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Bill Hahn//\\ LH: Just a short note that reiterates my earlier statements (not the atirical ones): 1) The UN Resolution and Vote of 1948---Allowed for a State of Israel. That came first. 2) Israel declares statehood ---and much of the land had been purchased from the Palestinians over the years. I still recall the blue boxes that people used to collect funds to send to the people there. 3) All the Arab states attack and a small ill equipped force beats them---Israel calls it one name (I believe the War of Independence)--the Arabs call it "The Catastrophe" Even the wars cannot have a uniform nomenclature. But this is pretty true---of course, the Arabls brought the "catstrophe" on themselves---and have never stopped trying---at the expense of the Palestinians. Well, time is a continuam. Nations grow stronger ---as the U S has done since its inception. Nations grow weaker. It comes down to understanding the continuam and realizing that people will always defend their nations with massive force. If not we would still have a Roman Empire or and Ottoman Empire or any of the others. Now if we had---as Wendell Wilkie said---One World--well, would be nice. But, that might have happened in times of political struggles. I believe that now we are engaged in religious and ethnic struggles that are totally irreconcilable with politics---sort of like the Crusades. Only now coming from the other side. There---I have said it and I guess that is the line in the sand---sadly. BH |
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20 Aug 06 - 08:38 PM (#1814746) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace You ain't alone at that line, Bill. |
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20 Aug 06 - 08:46 PM (#1814751) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Huh! |
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20 Aug 06 - 10:31 PM (#1814791) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk You're quite right, robomatic, I'm subjective too. Just like everyone else. I think I'm less inclined to hate than many, though. And when you or anyone else makes a good point that I am impressed by, I say so...even if I disagree with much of your argument. I am not much inclined to go on vendettas against people I disagree with either (with the possible exception of Clinton Hammond...heh!...and I did get into a couple of squabbles with Teribus at one time). It's like this: I may disagree with someone about politics 98% of the time, but if he or she makes what I think is a good point (and they all do from time to time) then I give him/her full credit for it. I also know that I'm subjective, and biased, like everyone else, and I admit it. I am aware that the guys I may favour in a political dispute are NOT all good...and the guys they are fighting are NOT all bad. Most people don't seem inclined to admit there is ANY goodness on the opposing side for some reason. Are they incapable of seeing shades of gray, or have they been affected by the modern entertainment media and fallen into the illusion that all disputes are a simple case of good vs. evil? Anyway, this thread has wandered far astray from its original point, as someone pointed out. It's getting like a dog chasing his own tail. |
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21 Aug 06 - 07:41 AM (#1815005) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Isn't self sufficiency a hallmark of a nation? So far at least, Israel is no maore than a colonial outpost kept in existance by a heavily subsidised military. The best hope for peace in the Mideast is for the US to stop funding the colonialism. |
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21 Aug 06 - 08:15 AM (#1815025) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic LH: Thanks for the understanding reply. I know that some of the issues I've raised with you have sounded astringent, but they are intended only in the thread, and they are not meant to reflect on you personally, as I expect at some time in the future to buy you a beer. And yeah the thread has drifted a bit into familiar channels. I want to see some pictures of those mean Jews beatin' on them poor mizzundastood narzis! |
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21 Aug 06 - 08:22 AM (#1815030) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic JTS: Your history is real real weak. In addition to your rather obvious and incredibly biased association of the IDF to the 'Stern' gang, you are oblivious to the origin of US aid to Israel. Stop reading polemics and get informed. The origin of Israel was not a fountain of US aid, it was an incredibly jumbled affair of supplies coming in from around the world, including arms smuggled in with help from the same folks who'd supported the IRA. A lot of the resistance was perceived to be against the English, who were diverting Jewish immigrants (another euphemism). It was definitely not at the behest of the US State Department. I can't remember who was first to recognize Israel, It was either the US or the erstwhile USSR. Whether or not Israel should have been there, it has been there and kickin' since 1948, hence it's closing in on 60 years, which is longer than many other nations, India and Pakistan included, and a whole lot of Africa. If you compare what Israelis have done with their land with what Egypt, Jordan, Syria, or Iraq for that matter, have done with their lands, I vote for more territory under Israeli control rather than less, much as I'd like to see Toyota buy General Motors. And we won't see that happen for much the same reason. |
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21 Aug 06 - 10:13 AM (#1815096) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Robomatic. If Putting aside your insults.... "Whether or not Israel should have been there, it has been there and kickin' since 1948, hence it's closing in on 60 years, which is longer than many other nations, India and Pakistan included, and a whole lot of Africa." You've hit the nail on the head. Its not about should be. It is about what is. But I wonder, If Israel is actually a nation, can it survive without my tax money as India and Pakistan are. |
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21 Aug 06 - 11:12 AM (#1815135) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic JTS: That is a legitimate question. Two logical responses arise. A legitimate nation should be able to survive on its own, meaning it should have an economy, an agricultural foundation, and the ability to defend its borders. (Side note: How many nations are truly legitimate in this sense?) 1) Israel has a huge self-defense institution which eats into its agricultural and technological economy. (In case you didn't notice, the late unpleasantness cut into Israel's harvest time). If the United States withdraws financial aid, how much more is it likely that Israel's next use of its military will of necessity cut a lot more into its opponents military and economy. 2) If the US cuts aid to Israel, it will likely also cut aid to the Arab countries which also receive a lot of support. This will allow the oil rich states to become the prime movers of the region. Think this will legitimize anyone or foster peace? It should be thought provoking to realize that with our (US) foreign policy we are propping up one set of governments and with our dependence on oil we are propping up the finances of the opponents of the first set. There is a certain mindlessness in the behavior of the United States which 'W' is not responsible for, rather he is a poster child for the US as a whole. In Alaska, which has a declining oil economy some of us have a saying: "Free Rides Die Hard". JTS in the past you have made rather free with your language, so I did not consider my urge that you marshal your facts or at least respond to my riposte with more accuracy to be an 'insult'. To me an insult is to ignore a valid response. If indeed you are trying to maintain a more gentlemanly discourse, I have no problem with that but you must realize that other people have sensitivities not unlike your own. |
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21 Aug 06 - 11:56 AM (#1815167) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor I don't care if you insult me or not. You very general statements about my level of education and whatnot based on a couple of words of mine. The "polemic" I read describing the Stern gang as terrorists was a pro zionist website which treated them as heroes. It also talked about Irgun, Begin and Sharon and how they were self described terrorists and how these terrorists became the core of the IDF. Perhaps there was bias. Perhaps that bias does not suit your romantic ideal of innocent Israel. But it was not MY bias. My bias is that slaughtering civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure is wrong. Wrong when Hezbollah does it. Just as wrong when Israel does it. 1) Israel has a huge self-defense institution which eats into its agricultural and technological economy. (In case you didn't notice, the late unpleasantness cut into Israel's harvest time). If the United States withdraws financial aid, how much more is it likely that Israel's next use of its military will of necessity cut a lot more into its opponents military and economy. This is my principle argument that Israel is a colony. If they can't survive as a "nation" without our money. They are not a nation. Let the Mossad harvest the crops instead of sewing the seeds of conflict. 2) If the US cuts aid to Israel, it will likely also cut aid to the Arab countries which also receive a lot of support. I'm all for cutting aid to both, but certainly sending 30% of foreign aid to a supposed Nation on an equal footing with ours seems.... illogical. This will allow the oil rich states to become the prime movers of the region. Think this will legitimize anyone or foster peace? It certainly could not be any less peaceful than it is now and we would not be sponsoring war. |
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21 Aug 06 - 02:22 PM (#1815288) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic JTS: I don't care what your 'level' of education is. I care about the accuracy and logic of your argument. I read about the Stern gang some time ago, can't remember the source. But they did not come off as heros. They came off as rabid extremists. They were not many, and did not have a lasting impact on the Jewish immigration question, which at the time was Jews versus English administration, not Arabs. As I mentioned, when the English got the better of the Stern gang, they did not make it to trial, which is unusual for the English. The Haganah were the precursor to the IDF, and they carried off attacks that would be called 'terrorist' by their enemies, and 'freedom fighting' to their people. Sort of how George Washington would come off if viewed by the French he fought at the beginning of the French and Indian War, or if the English had defeated the American War for Independence. The basic problem here is that Israel has never been allowed to 'win'. In the regular order of things, Israel would be acknowledged its independence and borders by not just the UN, but the Arab states as well. Since this has not happened, the Arab countries maintain that the Palestinians need no resettlement except back into Israel, which is unacceptable to Israel. If there was an absolute acceptance by the rest of the world that Israel is a legitimate state, that the Palestinians need to accept that fact and go elsewhere, there would be no problem. In the foundation of the United States, for example, there was considerable resettlement. That is how Canada got its English speaking inhabitants, in fact. There was considerable and long lived trouble over this, but at base, in 1783 there was a treaty where England (hence what we call Canada) acknowledged American Independence. But all around that time there were border raids, border clashes, and the use of Native Americans in the internecine warfare (to their long term detriment, in fact). There is no 'right' or 'wrong' about it. There is the taking of sides, certainly, but you only prolong the agony if you decide to favor whoever seems to be the 'underdog' of the moment. The once and long term underdog is certainly Israel. The Arab population dwarfs it, the oil economy streams around it, and the Arab's religion is 'on the march' so to speak. This doesn't mean that American aid is called for necessarily, but American money is flowing like a tidal wave into the coffers of the oil nations, and whether or not that means directly into the Saudis or Iranians' pockets, it amounts to the same thing due to the fungible nature of the product. As to the absolute 'wrong to kill civilians' admonition, we are long into attacks on civilians as a common denominator of the conflict, from the Arab attacks on Israeli schoolchildren long since to the suicide/homicide bombers of the more recent past. If you are trying to make a point that more Arab civilians died in the recent conflict than Israeli, that's a pretty meagre point. And in fact, one is hard put to find a conflict where civilians were not a part of the equation, particularly this kind of conflict. As for sponsoring war, my earlier point which you did not address was that if Israel is cut off from US aid, their next sorties will of necessity take out a lot more people and material, since they won't have the luxury of resupply and they will have to make absolutely sure that their opponents get none from their nearby suppliers Iran and Syria. So cutting aid to Israel will make the conflict much sharper very quickly. |
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21 Aug 06 - 02:44 PM (#1815304) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST Carol, So nice to see you back on Mudcat, even if you are using Rob's login. |
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21 Aug 06 - 02:51 PM (#1815310) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST Why can't Carol just login as Carol? |
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21 Aug 06 - 02:57 PM (#1815317) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST Good question. You would think with her writing and style and Rob's being so different, she would know how easy it was to spot her. |
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21 Aug 06 - 03:07 PM (#1815330) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic GUEST(s): You are confusing me. Are you implying that JTS' real name is Rob? In any case, CarolC was rather viciously attacked in another thread which I resented, as it implied there was no other way to deal with her other than by personal attack. I see no reason not to accept a logical argument and deal with it on its own merits. If you want to make it personal, please find another venue than this one, and if you have an assertion of someone using a different login than their own, please make it under your own login. I remain as represented. Robo |
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21 Aug 06 - 03:10 PM (#1815331) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: dianavan GUEST - How can you sign in anonymously and expect anyone to listen to your accusations about other posters? You are a coward. |
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21 Aug 06 - 03:15 PM (#1815338) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: beardedbruce thanks, Robo- good comment I have (mostly ) disagreed with CarolC, and do not think that she is seeing the same world that I am. I do NOT, however, feel that personnal attcks are useful, nor justified. I will attack her logic when I see it is flawed, her statements when I believe them false, and her judgements when I feel they are incorrect- I try not to attack her. |
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21 Aug 06 - 03:15 PM (#1815339) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST Jack the Sailor's real name is Rob Dale. He's said that himself often enough. |
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21 Aug 06 - 05:24 PM (#1815429) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Robo I appreciate you position. I tell you this now in all honesty, the source I read was a pro-Zionist website which said that the Stern gang and Irgun were terrorists. That the members called themselves that at the time and that elements of at least one of those was absorbed into the IDF. That is what I believe. Take it or leave it. The Stern Gang and the Irgun killed civilians and assisinated British diplomats with the goal of driving the British out. By whose definition is that NOT terrorism? As to who is the underdog, The US's ally in any fight is never the underdog. But the US has been a good ally to Israel, but Israel has not been a good ally to the US. With the US behind it. Israel not stop until it has dominion over the whole Middle East. Without the US they will be forced to make peace. |
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21 Aug 06 - 05:27 PM (#1815433) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Bill Hahn//\\ The comments from a posting by Robonmatic: The basic problem here is that Israel has never been allowed to 'win'. In the regular order of things, Israel would be acknowledged its independence and borders by not just the UN, but the Arab states as well. Since this has not happened, the Arab countries maintain that the Palestinians need no resettlement except back into Israel, which is unacceptable to Israel. If there was an absolute acceptance by the rest of the world that Israel is a legitimate state, that the Palestinians need to accept that fact and go elsewhere, there would be no problem SO--what aid did they get in 1948? Seems they won a hard fought battle by pluck and heroism against seemingly impossible odds---odds that fractured themselves by their own internecine divisions as usual. the fact that the Arab states do not recognize Israel does not seem make it not a legitimate nation. The UN--to your surprise, I am sure, recognizes Israel as do most all nations (save the Arabs)as sovereign. I see that Egypt and Jordan have also joined the fold. Much goes on that we know not of which is what we call diplomacy--and Hezbollah tried a different kind of diplomacy---force to become the major player in Lebanon. Actually, to be Syria's stalking horse. I thnk that is the proper term. BH |
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21 Aug 06 - 05:28 PM (#1815435) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Israel will not stop until it has dominion over Israel. And security from suicide bombers. And security from Hezbollah and Hamas attacks. THEN, they will stop. |
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21 Aug 06 - 05:28 PM (#1815436) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor I have to say that posts like GUEST's make me believe that Max is some kind of a sadist. This form seems to be designed from the ground up to encourage cowardly anonymous sniping. |
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21 Aug 06 - 05:53 PM (#1815462) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST LOL Hi Jack. Remember that thread you anonymously started about another member? |
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21 Aug 06 - 06:06 PM (#1815475) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk If you need someone who can remember absolutely everything, I recommend an ex-wife or ex-girlfriend. ;-) Most men just can't be bothered. |
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21 Aug 06 - 06:41 PM (#1815511) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: dianavan I don't remember Jack the Sailor giving his real name. It must have been long before Guests started harassing members. Max should be a little more vigilant - unless, of course, its Max himself. In any case, whoever is posting personal stuff about others is no better than a neighborhood gossip. If it wasn't Max, I can think of only two others who might stoop to such intimidation - those being the out of control, Muslim haters. |
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21 Aug 06 - 06:46 PM (#1815513) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "But they have had to deal with it ever since anyway...so I'd say they miscalculated." The problem with taking action in the light of a short sighted view - like making sure that you have your hands on all the oil... |
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21 Aug 06 - 08:08 PM (#1815578) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic Well, I think Rob is a good name no matter who has it. One of the neat things about this web site is that when presented with folks, anonymous or no, who make personal attacks, we can choose to ignore them (though most often we don't). Bill Hahn, it's my understanding that Israel achieved its independence in '48 just as you say, with the odds against her amidst an incredible mix of substandard, used, and superannuated war materiel, and an army not unlike the 'rabble in arms' that the American colonials fielded against the Hessians. The Arabs, not to be underestimated as fighting men, were better armed, more numerous, but, obviously, poorly organized and led and I think most important of all, not motivated like the Israelis. I had a female Hebrew school teacher who lost her sister in the battle for Jerusalem in '48. I think the massive amount of foreign aid from US to Israel was a post '67 reaction to the massive amount of aid given by the Soviets to the Arabs, in particular, Egypt. This perception of Israeli as a military powerhouse of the Mid-East belies the well understood position of the Arab states that, for the most part, they want Israel out, they have the population, they have the oil money, and they are willing to field any type of military effort at all, from well financed militias to atomic arms. In short, Israel will win until she doesn't, and that will be the end of her. I think there is a special relationship between the United States and Israel, for many reasons. There is a special relationship between the United States and Great Britain which is far stronger and will outlast us. There are other special relationships, I think, between the US and Canada, the US and France, possibly Ireland and Germany as well. |
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21 Aug 06 - 08:28 PM (#1815593) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe There is a special relationship between the US and Australia which is being gradually soured, at least in the minds of some Aussies (while many have had no such feeling) due to the way the US conducts itself as an entity - but it is often just the actions of 'individuals' such as profit making corporations. In spite of that, many individual Aussies have a genuine affection for many individual citizens of the USA. |
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21 Aug 06 - 08:39 PM (#1815607) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic Did you see the one where Bart Simpson caused a ruckus and had to go to Australia to apologize to the Prime Minister? There was a bit in there where the State Department explained to the Simpsons that the Australians thought they had a special relationship due to the success of "Crocodile Dundee" but didn't understand the fickle nature of Yanks and so "Young Einstein" with Yahoo Serious bombed. It was one of the better Simpsons and clearly with tongue deep in cheek aimed at Sir Rupert. |
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21 Aug 06 - 08:48 PM (#1815617) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe Actually, last night, I saw the delightful Futurama parody of one of my favourite TV shows 'Iron Chef'... |
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22 Aug 06 - 07:31 AM (#1815939) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor I think the massive amount of foreign aid from US to Israel was a post '67 reaction to the massive amount of aid given by the Soviets to the Arabs, in particular, Egypt The Soviets haven't given any aid for 17 years. At three billion a year that's about 50 billion we shouldn't have spent. The US and Israel do have a very special relationship. The US gives money and political support and Israel takes it. Its time to kick the birdie out of the nest. |
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22 Aug 06 - 07:36 AM (#1815942) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST Date: 21 Aug 06 - 05:53 PM LOL Hi Jack. Remember that thread you anonymously started about another member? Yes I do. Remember when Joe outed me? I called you a sadist. But you are also a hypocrite. And a coward. Certainly a coward. LOL |
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22 Aug 06 - 04:53 PM (#1816404) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Bill Hahn//\\ Robomatic---you have the history right---and the relationships as well. Seems to me that no matter how one presents the situation, how factual one is Jack/Sailor is going to twist it to fit his own personal dislike of Israel and its citizenry. Note---I use the word citizenry---nothing inflamatory. I am sure he will say he is always for the underdog so I urge him to hang in there and soon he can root for Israel. I notice he is not rooting for peace in the world. BH |
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22 Aug 06 - 05:31 PM (#1816435) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Still waiting for this *&^%ing thread to die... ;-) Come on, Bill. Most people are for peace in the world. I'm sure Jack is. |
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22 Aug 06 - 06:11 PM (#1816474) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Bill Hahn//\\ I am sure Jack can speak for himself---his note speaks volumes. I wonder what he thinks about the nest also holding Egypt and Jordan. Just think---if the bird he wants kicked out of the nest it might just fly like an eagle---sure that is not what Jack hopes for---he wants another underdog. BH |
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22 Aug 06 - 09:21 PM (#1816599) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic I'm gonna say it one last time to see if it takes. It's US money and if the US wants to use it for somethin' else, it has the right - BUT: If Israel knows it's facing a shortfall on what it takes to defend itself, it will not utilize resources for limited aims anymore. It will make every weapon count, and it won't be simply counting coup. Anyhow, it's time to let this aspect of the thread die and ask ourselves if the Jews are going to mass in the cities and throw rocks through windows of the Iranian embassies and consulates the way the Muslims organized themselves to do the same at Danish embassies and newspaper buildings. |
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22 Aug 06 - 11:34 PM (#1816681) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Right now, I think many Jews are willing to throw rocks through the windows of this building, soon as October comes. |
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22 Aug 06 - 11:42 PM (#1816688) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace It is likely that had the IDF NOT exercised the control and self-discipline they did, civilian deaths would have numbered in the tens of thousands, not just 600 (tragic as that is). (The IDF figures it got about 400 Hezbollah members, and I don't count them in the death toll.) |
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22 Aug 06 - 11:50 PM (#1816694) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk I doubt it, robomatic. They don't feel disempowered and humiliated. Muslims do. Jews, you see, don't have to riot to make their point. They can make their point by Israel sending a hightech airforce and army and bombing the shit out of people they don't like, and no one will stop them. That's power. It is the powerless who riot and throw stones, not the powerful. The powerful send in the airforce, navy, and army to do their protesting for them. If we students in the 60's who were protesting the Vietnam war had by some miracle been given the world's biggest military machine and the police force to do our bidding for us...do you think we would have rioted in the streets? LOL! Hardly. We would've made our point in a much more efficient manner, I'm sure. China "protested" Vietnam's kicking out of the Cambodian Pol Pot regime, for instance, back in '79. They sent in the Chinese army and invaded North Vietnam for about a month. Nasty border war. That was their way of punishing Vietnam. Much more effective than rioting and attacking embassies. Rioting is reserved mainly just for people who have no more effective way of demonstrating their anger. You don't throw rocks when you have military supremacy at your disposal. |
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23 Aug 06 - 12:00 AM (#1816701) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Bill Hahn//\\ I guess that says it all --LH. "Jews" not "Israelis". There is a difference---Israelis are citizens of a sovereign state that was attacked by the terrorists of another state (albeit a minority party therein) for reasons of their own. The U S is attacked and we bomb the hell out of Afghanistan. The Israelis ar attacked and they bomb the hell out of Lebanon. Perhaps you might enlighten us as to the difference---just try to remember that we are talking of a nation and not a rag tag bunch of "Jews" that got their hands on some weaponry. BH |
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23 Aug 06 - 12:12 AM (#1816712) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace The one question no one has yet answered: What would YOU have done had Hezbollah kidnapped two of your countrymen and killed some of your soldiers then fired rockets--which they just happened to have ready and available--at your citizens? (That is addressed to no one in particular.) I am guessing by many of the responses that most of you would have shrugged it off and just gone about yer business, right? Fellow downtown punches an old man. Cops are ten minutes responding. The fellow was taken to the hospital because he fell down and hit his face about ten times on the floor. Bad for that to happen? I suppose. But I don't have a helluva lotta sympathy for the fellow. Someone starts shit, they don't always get the chance to say when it ends. |
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23 Aug 06 - 06:49 AM (#1816845) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Dave'sWife ignoring EVERYTHING written above - all I have to say is I know it's time for me to go to bed when I misread a title of thread such as this as: "waiting for the Jews to ROT" |
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23 Aug 06 - 07:59 AM (#1816896) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe My eyes have been as bad as your for some time now... "Mine eyes have seen the boring repetition in this thread"... sorry... |
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23 Aug 06 - 08:03 AM (#1816898) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Heh! You're looking for offence, Bill, where none was ever intended. That's what people do when they have a martyrdom complex. But Arabs do it too now and then, I'm sure...so it's not like you're alone in that respect. I actually looked at that last post of mine before hitting "submit" and thought...yeah, someone will probably freak because I said "Jews" in this sentence. Hmmmm. I said that because, as you may easily observe, the title of this thread IS "Still waiting for Jews to riot". It is not: "Still waiting for Israelis to riot". This whole thread IS about whether or not Jews will riot, is it not? In any case, I have also been advised frequently BY Jews on this forum that ALL Jews consider Israel to be their true home and nation. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I've been told. What do you think? |
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23 Aug 06 - 09:18 AM (#1816946) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor My eyes have been as bad as your for some time now... "Mine eyes have seen the boring repetition in this thread"... I've found it enlightening to keep repeating my position and each time seeing new and different words put in my mouth. It's also the first time I've ever been criticized for NOT cheering for "Peace on Earth". For the record. I certainly do support "Peace on Earth" If Israel is a "Sovereign state" as Hahn said. They don't need my tax dollars or the billions of dollars they get in donations from this country, every year. Fellow downtown punches an old man. Cops are ten minutes responding. The fellow was taken to the hospital because he fell down and hit his face about ten times on the floor. Bad for that to happen? I suppose. But I don't have a helluva lotta sympathy for the fellow. Someone starts shit, they don't always get the chance to say when it ends. If the IDF is the cops, the first thing they do is burn the fellow's mother's house. Then they warn the neighbors that if that guy acts up, not just that guy will will be punished. Then they blow up some more houses. Then they kill everyone who might remotely look like the guy as long as they go to a different church than the cops. And if the fellow happens to go into a crowded building during the chase. MOTHERLODE!! |
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23 Aug 06 - 09:27 AM (#1816952) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe Jack, that was a song challenge, you can guess the tune... And I do like your accurate continuation of the 'parable'... |
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23 Aug 06 - 10:37 AM (#1817003) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST,number 6 "They don't need my tax dollars or the billions of dollars they get in donations from this country, every year." Jack ... you are a Canadian citizen who has chosen to live in the U.S. ... much of your tax dollars you pay for living in the U.S. goes to feed Bush's military machine and global bullying ... if you are so full of passion for peace worldwide ... why then are you living in a country where your tax $$ are are used for thisaggessive war machine and global manupulation ... when you can live in a country which is somewhat more diplomatic and understanding when comes to 'world peace'. sIx |
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23 Aug 06 - 11:35 AM (#1817054) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Dave'sWife Did someody say... Yahoo Serious should rot or riot or both? I believe somebody invoked his name in vain and should be punished for it |
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23 Aug 06 - 12:56 PM (#1817107) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST,number 6 - PM Date: 23 Aug 06 - 10:37 AM "They don't need my tax dollars or the billions of dollars they get in donations from this country, every year." Jack ... you are a Canadian citizen who has chosen to live in the U.S. ... much of your tax dollars you pay for living in the U.S. goes to feed Bush's military machine and global bullying ... if you are so full of passion for peace worldwide ... why then are you living in a country where your tax $$ are are used for thisaggessive war machine and global manupulation ... when you can live in a country which is somewhat more diplomatic and understanding when comes to 'world peace'. sIx Didn't you tell me "bye bye" earlier in this thread? I took that to mean that you weren't going to talk to me and considering your earlier behavior, I took that as a blessing. Your word isn't worth much is it? Look pal, you decide where you want to live and I'll decide for me. As long as the government is collecting taxes from me. I have a right to say where I think they ought to go. For your information the USA is a big beautiful country with all sorts of people with all sorts of opinions. The USA is a lot more than its current policy. For that matter Israel is a lot more than the terrorists who run the IDF and war ministry. I've been critcizing those in Israel who promote war. Not Israel per se. I'm upset because Israel seems to be spending all of their foreign aid and more on war. Don't tell me you are agianst the neocons and for the war mongers in Israel. That's just dumb. They have the same goals and methods and in some cases are actually the same people. |
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23 Aug 06 - 01:09 PM (#1817118) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace "Then they kill everyone who might remotely look like the guy as long as they go to a different church than the cops. And if the fellow happens to go into a crowded building during the chase. MOTHERLODE!!" Exactly. That's what Hezbollah and Hamas have been doing for years. I am happy you finally see. |
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23 Aug 06 - 01:17 PM (#1817130) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Leadfingers 200 !! |
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23 Aug 06 - 04:05 PM (#1817291) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 Jack .... bye-bye isn't 'final' and it isn't as crude as some other retorts found around here in the MudCat ... I also can't see anything here in this thread that I should apologize for in regards to my behaviour. Regardless .. letting go of all this petty bickering ... You are correct one certainly does have their right in critizising where their tax $$ are going. I must say I'd be very furious living in the U.S. having my taxes go towards the military might of the Bush regime ... and in being used to manipulate countries (including my own) around the world. sIx |
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23 Aug 06 - 04:50 PM (#1817324) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Bill Hahn//\\ JTS---your quote is--- If Israel is a "Sovereign state" as Hahn said. They don't need my tax dollars or the billions of dollars they get in donations from this country, every year. First: of all the word "If"---I guess you were not around in 1948. Second: Do you consider Egypt and Jordan "sovereign states"? If you do I don't see any complaint from the tranplanted Canadian complaining about his U S Taxes going to those nations---among others. As to private donations--frankly; none of your business. If the Arabs so loved their brethren they would do the same. Lately we find, however, much of the charitable funding there going to Hamas amongs others. Note I did not say "terorists"--trying to use neutral terms. People can read what they will into it BH |
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23 Aug 06 - 05:25 PM (#1817344) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: EBarnacle Little Hawk, If Israel is interested in dominating the Middle East, why have they not attempted to take over Iraq or Iran or Saudi Arabia or any of the other oil producing states? Why did they give Egypt back her oil fields as part of the Sinai accords? There seems to be a general problem on this thread. Why does Israel fight so hard for a piece of land? Prior to 1947, Israel had no nation. It was a landless people, similar to the Romany and was treated similarly. It seems that the world does not respect a people without a country. This is very similar to the original laws relating to voting here in the US and in England. Only people with a certain level of property were allowed to vote. the rest had to like it or lump it. |
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23 Aug 06 - 06:08 PM (#1817371) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Good points, EBarnacle. You're right, the world does NOT respect a people without a country...because...those people do not possess sufficient firepower and money to command respect in what is essentially a world community run by ruthless robber barons. Yes, the Jews and the Romany and a few other groups like Kurds, Armenians, the Japanese Ainu, or the Vietnamese Montagnards have had to deal with being stateless people for lengthy periods of time (as have Native Americans of various types), and that's a tough spot to be in. No doubt. You are not taken seriously on the world scene unless you have borders, territory, resources, a flag, a national treasury, and a well-armed modern military of your own standing at the ready to apply deadly force. The #1 reason Israel fights so hard for that piece of land is because they are surrounded by enemies...obviously! The #2 reason would appear at times to be that they have ambitions to settle further areas abutting on that piece of land, but the policy tends to shift back and forth some on that, depending which way "the wind blows". I don't think it's Israel that is exactly fighting to "dominate the Middle East", I think it's the USA who is doing that, and Israel is serving as a junior partner in the effort. The one hand washes the other, and they work together. Israel hopes to gain permanent security by seeing its main opponents crushed to the point where they could never again be a direct threat. That's not easy to achieve, but I think Israel hopes to see both Iran and Syria eventually smashed by a combination of American and British and Israeli military power...but the greater part of it would of course be American...specially in the case of Iran. The USA would get to control the oil through client administrations in the invaded countries and Israel would get what they think of as security...so they imagine. I think it's actually an unworkable strategy which will lead instead to a Third World War, but that's just my take on it. I can understand why Israel fights as hard as they do. From their point of view it makes a lot of sense. I can also understand why Hezbollah, Hamas, and the other Muslim enemies of Israel fight as hard as they do. From their point of view it makes a lot of sense. What would make even MORE sense, though, would be for them ALL to leave each other alone, and for the USA to leave people alone too...but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen! There's too much $$$money$$$ at stake. Not a chance that it's going to happen. Not one of them really has even a smidgin of respect or tolerance for their enemies of choice, and not one of them has any goodwill or any real desire for anything but "victory". My prediction is that the victory they all seek will elude them, no matter what they do. They're all caught up in a game that leads to nowhere but more suffering. The ordinary people will be the ones who pay...just as they are now. The only sensible thing they can possibly do is get sick of the bloodshed and reach an accomodation...as the Irish finally seem to have done in their long dispute. |
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23 Aug 06 - 06:56 PM (#1817403) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 Yes LH ... "I don't think it's Israel that is exactly fighting to "dominate the Middle East", I think it's the USA who is doing that" ..... the U.S. war machine is the force that is causing the instability in the mid-east. It's their war machine that should be the focus of our concern. sIx |
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23 Aug 06 - 09:28 PM (#1817500) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Second: Do you consider Egypt and Jordan "sovereign states"? If you do I don't see any complaint from the tranplanted Canadian complaining about his U S Taxes going to those nations---among others. Well, for one thing Egypt and Jordan aren't using my tax money to by cluster bombs and land mines and uning them to kill and oppress civilians. For another aid to Jordan and Egypt was a bribe from the US as part of a peace accord, to keep them from from fighting Israel, so in effect, its really just more aid to Israel's war machine. The donations are my business in one way. Israel is not standing on its own. It is not a sovereign state it is a welfare state that exists at the whim of the USA. Without US support in the UN, which means the US sheilding Israel from criticism from virtually every other country, things would be very different. Without US money, both from the government and from individuals, Israel would have to either fight at more even odds or make peace. But with welfare, there should be a means test. Should a welfare case, addicted to warfare, getting 50,000 a year from her family also get foodstamps and medicare? She'll just spend the disposable income on bullets and land mines. |
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23 Aug 06 - 09:30 PM (#1817501) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Peace, sIx. You've both said you don't want to talk with me. I'm fine with that. Neither of you are saying things that make any sense to me. Why are you still talking to me? |
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23 Aug 06 - 09:36 PM (#1817508) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: bobad "either fight at more even odds or make peace." Make peace with who? |
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23 Aug 06 - 10:22 PM (#1817534) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 I just said 'bye-bye' ... I say that to my grandson after every visit. Why am I talking (er should say communicating to you via a forum post) ..I'm curious as to why the tax $$ issue ... welfare $ to Israel as you call it ... upsets you so much .... when obviously a very, very large chunk of your tax $ goes to the war machine of your adopted country ... this war machine is causing a lot of innocent deaths worldwide Jack ... yup, it feeds the U.S. war machine when it could go towards education, health care, the environment etc which is in much need of attention in the U.S, rather than bullets and landmines ..... I dunno, I think I would have the priorities of my Tax $ complaint focused in a different direction ... take a look in your own back yard Jack ... it's a hell of a lot messier than the one you are criticising on the other side of town. sIx |
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24 Aug 06 - 12:09 AM (#1817579) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace "You've both said you don't want to talk with me." I don't. But if you post bullshit I will refute it. And sure as Hell's on fire, I don't need your permission for that. |
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24 Aug 06 - 12:20 AM (#1817581) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST Jews Riot |
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24 Aug 06 - 12:21 AM (#1817582) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace Does that mean the thread is over? |
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24 Aug 06 - 12:28 AM (#1817586) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST Jews Riot Jews Riot |
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24 Aug 06 - 12:33 AM (#1817589) Subject: RE: BS: Still waiting for Godot. From: Peace I guees that means no, huh? |
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24 Aug 06 - 12:38 AM (#1817590) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: EBarnacle Dear Guest, go to my first post, near the beginning of this thread. |
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25 Aug 06 - 12:53 AM (#1818412) Subject: Jews Riot From: GUEST JERUSALEM -- Israelis and many in the Ethiopian community were shocked by the enormity of Sunday's violent confrontations between Ethiopian Jews and Jerusalem police, but perhaps they should not be shocked. Israel airlifted tens of thousands of Jews from famine-ridden Ethiopia between 1984 and 1985 and again in 1991. In the years since then, Ethiopian community leaders have been complaining about inferior housing, jobs and education. "If Israelis don't know about our problems, they haven't been listening," Adiso Masala, one of the community's most vocal activists, said during Sunday's rally outside the Prime Minister's Office in Jerusalem. Those problems -- which include what Ethiopian community leaders consider a longstanding pattern of discrimination by Israeli government authorities -- have been simmering for years. But revelations last week regarding how Ethiopian blood donations were routinely discarded brought emotions to the boiling point. Leaders of Israel's Ethiopian community organized the demonstration after the Israeli daily Ma'ariv revealed that Magen David Adom, which operates the country's nationwide blood bank, regularly discards blood donated by Ethiopian immigrants, fearing that the blood is contaminated with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. During Sunday's demonstration, which lasted most of the day, some of the 10,000 demonstrators clashed with scores of Israeli police armed with riot gear. At least 50 Ethiopian Jews and police were injured in the demonstrations. Two police officers were severely injured -- one lost an eye -- when stones and other objects were thrown at them. Although rally organizers and police blamed each other for the violence, many eyewitnesses were critical of the police department's decision to bring in water cannons and tear gas. Several demonstrators, many of them elderly, and dozens of police officers became ill when the wind changed direction and blew clouds of tear gas directly over them. According to Micha Odenheimer, director of the Israeli Association of Ethiopian Jews, this week's demonstration "was years in the making." "It was an expression of the Ethiopians' outrage that, over the years, they have not really been absorbed into Israeli society." The community "feels pushed into the margin of Israeli society. Despite some efforts by the government, many Ethiopian children still learn in largely segregated classrooms. Unemployment is high, and Ethiopians are the poorest ethnic group in Israel today." Unless something is done quickly to reverse these trends, he added, "Ethiopian Jews will become a permanent black underclass." In any discussion with Ethiopian activists, their first concern tends to be education. For many years, at least two-thirds of Ethiopians in primary school attended segregated "absorption classes." An even larger percentage of teenagers was -- and still is -- sent to religious boarding schools, where many of the other students come from "problem homes." Odenheimer said both the boarding schools and segregated classes actually hurt the very children they are supposed to help. "Segregating kids prevents them from integrating, and the level of education tends to be lower," he said. "Sending teenagers away from home hurts the fabric of the family, and the parents eventually lose their authority over their children." After numerous demonstrations by Masala and other Ethiopian activists, the government changed the education policy about three years ago and began mainstreaming Ethiopian children. Amnon Be'eri, spokesman for the Ministry of Absorption, said, "I wouldn't say there haven't been problems or mistakes, but we are doing the best we can." As proof, Be'eri points to the government's housing plan for Ethiopian immigrants. Unlike other immigrant groups, which receive discounts on home mortgages, Ethiopian families are entitled to grants that cover 85 percent of the cost of an apartment, up to $110,000. This scheme has allowed the vast majority of Ethiopians to move out of caravan parks and into permanent housing. Ethiopian activists acknowledge these efforts, but regard them as too little, too late. Masala said the government created an education task force about a year ago, but it received only $5 million of the $18 million needed to institute its recommendations. Meanwhile, Ethiopian immigrants deeply feel that they are victims of discrimination. "Israelis make us feel as if we're not Jewish," said Shira Eilen, an 18-year-old Jerusalemite. "The blood thing was just the breaking point." Estie Hananya, a 15-year-old from Rishon Lezion, said: "Today they don't want my blood because I am black. Tomorrow they may not want my brain. People have called me a kushit, a nigger." http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/2883/edition_id/50/format/html/displaystory.html |
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25 Aug 06 - 01:51 AM (#1818420) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic Hey Guest, cutting edge stuff there. Were you still learning to read in 1996 or did you get one of your friends to help? Actually, I 'spect you don't have any friends of the helpful sort... |
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25 Aug 06 - 07:01 AM (#1818545) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "Egypt and Jordan aren't using my tax money to by cluster bombs and land mines and uning them to kill and oppress civilians." ... except for their own citizens, but that is another matter... |
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25 Aug 06 - 05:15 PM (#1818950) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Slag Does the Seinfeld "Ruffled Shirt" episode qualify? |
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25 Aug 06 - 05:20 PM (#1818956) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Har! Har! I love it. This thread has finally reached its well-deserved moment of obsolescence. We no longer have to wait for Jews to riot. |
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25 Aug 06 - 07:42 PM (#1819028) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 How about a food fight !! sIx |
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25 Aug 06 - 08:08 PM (#1819041) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Naw....water balloons. Food is too messy. |
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25 Aug 06 - 08:15 PM (#1819048) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST,GUEST, not the last idiot Iran Holocaust exhibit reported in NYT |
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25 Aug 06 - 08:28 PM (#1819058) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: bobad Isn't freedom of speech a wonderful thing. |
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25 Aug 06 - 08:33 PM (#1819063) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace What does this remind me of? Denmark insults Mohammed so Iran insults Jews. |
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25 Aug 06 - 10:17 PM (#1819129) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing! Let's see if someone can print an anti-terrorist cartoon in Iran, now? |
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26 Aug 06 - 02:21 AM (#1819216) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing! Let's see if someone can print an anti-terrorist cartoon in Iran, now? I'm sure they can. In the rest of the world terrorism is just a tactic. Even though here, it is just a catch all phrase for the subhuman enemy. |
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26 Aug 06 - 07:36 AM (#1819302) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: bobad Do you support the "tactic", Jack? |
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26 Aug 06 - 07:39 AM (#1819305) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe Old days - Communist. Nowadays - Terrorist. |
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26 Aug 06 - 09:12 AM (#1819350) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: robomatic Fooles: Are you equating Communists with Terrorists? They certainly used terrorism to control their own peoples, viz the remaining Communist 'paradise' North Korea which has ostensibly starved its own people while developing nuclear weaponry. Though I don't recall this making Jews riot, it did make them try to leave the Soviet Union in large numbers. Many of those who did get out wound up in Israel. Thank God it was there for them. |
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26 Aug 06 - 02:12 PM (#1819524) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk I agree with Jack. "Terrorism" has simply become the latest Newspeak catch-all word for "our subhuman enemies who are totally evil and must be destroyed"...and that's all it amounts to. It's a propaganda word used to justify attacking foreign people and clamping down on the freedoms of one's own people. The Iranians consider the Israelis and Americans to be terrorists. So do all of Israel's enemies in the region. The Americans and Israelis look at it exactly the other way around. They all ignore their own wrongful deeds and call the other guy's wrongful deed "terrorism". And ALL of them are using the same twisted logic in forming those opinions. The "War on Terror" is a ridiculous term. War itself causes terror. Its intention is to defeat and dominate people by the use of organized terror tactics. What it should be called is "The War for Control of Oil and Strategic Resources". It could also be called "The War Against Honesty, Freedom, and Sanity"...but that wouldn't market very well, would it? ;-) |
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26 Aug 06 - 02:57 PM (#1819553) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Jack the Sailor Of course not Bobad. Ironically the past generation of Israeli leaders, Begin, Sharon and others are the only government leaders I know of who ever did. They supported and engaged in terrorism against British soldiers and diplomats when Israel was part of Palestine Mandate. But they stopped verbally supporting terrorism once their goal was accomplished. The question "Let's see if someone can print an anti-terrorist cartoon in Iran, now?" is easily answered, If the cartoon were against terrorism by other countries or entities, say the "Tamil Tigers" then I'm sure it could be printed. I'm not saying that the press isn't suppressed in Iran. I'm confident that it is. I don't think they would be able to print cartoons saying for instance "the Mullahs have poop in their pants" But they could certainly have one saying "USA's Shock and Awe campaign was terrorism" and technically they would be correct. Here is the non Bush Administration, actual definition of "terrorism". Shock and Awe was a plan to get Iraq's army to lay down their weapons by terrorizing the poop out of them and in to their pants. terrorism Main Entry: ter·ror·ism Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m Function: noun : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion |
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26 Aug 06 - 03:00 PM (#1819555) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Everyone who goes to war practices terrorism. Only those on the other side ever seem to be officially accused of it, however. |
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26 Aug 06 - 05:50 PM (#1819657) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Slag Not true Little Hawk. Not everyone who goes to war practices terrorism. Many who go to war are somewhat terrorized in the first place. People go to war to defend their homeland, their neighbors and loved ones, their way of life and the ideals that their society is based upon. Acts of war can create terror as a by-product or an unavoidable consequence. Terrorism is the intentional use of terror-producing actions against civilian populations to weaken and demoralized an opponent, the weaker and more defensless the target the greater the terror factor. |
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26 Aug 06 - 06:41 PM (#1819688) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk For sure, Slag, terrorism causes more terrorism. It's the old "an action causes an equal and opposite reaction" thing we all learned in science class. And it leads to further terrorism. The really ironical part is...they will all claim that the first terrorist acts were committed by "the other guy" and that they are only acting in legitimate defence. Uh-huh. You can trace it all the way back to prehistory trying to prove who hit who first. I am not saying, Slag, that people shouldn't defend themselves. I am simply saying that all war is, by my definition, terrorism, because all war is an attempt to terrorize the other side into surrenduring or running away...or to just kill them all...whichever happens first. All war, in modern times, DOES terrorize and kill civilians, sooner or later...usually sooner. If nothing else, it terrorizes them through threatening their sons and daughters who are in uniform and through damaging their domestic economy. People should admit it. In wars you kill and terrorize people. That's what wars are really about. That's what happens, so call it what it is. Stop pretending that it's only other people, people not in uniforms, who are "terrorists" and that you are above that sort of thing. That's just a propagandist's technique to dehumanize the enemy in the eyes of your own people. Hitler used it too, and very effectively. They all use it. By all means, if you are attacked, defend yourself. But if you send rockets, bombs, or artillery shells into someone else's land...and most of all, if you invade it...you are likewise committing terrorism whether or not as a response to someone else's terrorism, and you will end up terrorizing and killing civilians. The Union did it to the South in the Civil War. Sherman committed terrorism on a gigantic basis. The South did it to the Union too, where they could, as when they attacked the town of Lawrence, Kansas, but the South's abilities to do damage in that respect were much more limited. Sherman is still remembered with hatred south of the Mason-Dixon Line. Terrorism is never popular with its targets. |
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26 Aug 06 - 08:03 PM (#1819735) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "But if you send rockets, bombs, or artillery shells into someone else's land...and most of all, if you invade it...you are likewise committing terrorism whether or not as a response to someone else's terrorism, and you will end up terrorizing and killing civilians." Thus the response (from their viewpoint) of those who are unfortunate enough to live near the borders of Israel. |
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26 Aug 06 - 08:12 PM (#1819740) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "Everyone who goes to war practices terrorism." 'Shock and Awe', anyone? |
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26 Aug 06 - 08:20 PM (#1819745) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "Are you equating Communists with Terrorists?" McCarthy era - Communist. Today - Terrorist. Just two of the many useful terms throughout history for pseudo-democratic Governments to manipulate the opinions of their trusting and gullible electorate. |
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26 Aug 06 - 08:25 PM (#1819750) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "It could also be called "The War Against Honesty, Freedom, and Sanity"...but that wouldn't market very well, would it? ;-) " Been done before - eg, "Tobacco smoking is good for you!" |
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26 Aug 06 - 08:34 PM (#1819753) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "Terrorism is the intentional use of terror-producing actions against civilian populations to weaken and demoralize an opponent" This is of course the 'definition' trotted forth by nations with big organised armies committing their own organised acts of terror to justify themselves murdering those who oppose them, when the other side have no big organised armies with which to oppose them - if that were the case, it would be called 'War'. |
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27 Aug 06 - 03:17 AM (#1819846) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST ""But if you send rockets, bombs, or artillery shells into someone else's land...and most of all, if you invade it...you are likewise committing terrorism whether or not as a response to someone else's terrorism, and you will end up terrorizing and killing civilians." Thus the response (from their viewpoint) of those who are unfortunate enough to live near the borders of Israel. " Obviously- those South of the border between Lebanon and Israel. THAT is why the Israelis attacked Hezballah. |
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27 Aug 06 - 03:29 AM (#1819851) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace "Ironically the past generation of Israeli leaders, Begin, Sharon and others are the only government leaders I know of who ever did." Then you don't read much. Try the leaders of China, Cambodia, Iraq, "Palestine", Russia--well, look 'em up. |
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27 Aug 06 - 05:00 AM (#1819881) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe "South of the border between Lebanon and Israel" South of the border, down Palestine way, The tanks they come, away I run... |
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28 Aug 06 - 01:21 AM (#1820497) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Slag "We fight--- we fight--- we fight,we fight, we fight!" Itchy and Scratchy GORT! Where are you now that we need you??? |
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09 Nov 06 - 04:15 PM (#1880528) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST Jews riot Jews riot Jews riot |
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09 Nov 06 - 11:12 PM (#1880883) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Gort was dealing with a very different situation. Everyone who launches a war of aggression is committing acts of terrorism, and government-sanctioned terror by major powers kills way more people than the terrorism of shadowy groups like Al Queda or Islamic Jihad. Bush's so-called War on Terror is terrorism, large scale terrorism. The same goes for Israel's frequent attacks on its neighbours...as well as the Muslim attacks on Israel...but Israel usually kills 10 for every 1 they lose. The USA kills 100 for every 1 it loses. That sounds kind of like what the Germans set out to do in occupied countries like Greece during the war. Whenever the local resistance killed a German the Germans would respond by killing 100 Greek civilians. It did NOT win them the war, did it? The USA isn't going to win its war in Iraq either. They are going to leave, ignominiously, and try to make it look like that was what they planned all along. They are going to leave that country way worse off than it was before they attacked it, and they are going to blame someone else for that having happened. |
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10 Nov 06 - 10:40 PM (#1882829) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe Like Vietnam... |
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11 Nov 06 - 04:11 AM (#1882934) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: dianavan Funny the way Jews parade, gays march and Muslims riot. Says something about journalism. |
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11 Nov 06 - 08:02 PM (#1883519) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: The Fooles Troupe Back in the 1970's gays used to riot in Sydney - now it's called "The Gay & Lesbian Mardi Gras" - and is worth millions in Tourism.... :-) |
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11 Nov 06 - 09:22 PM (#1883567) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk Yeah, Dianavan that's like how white people "search for emergency supplies of (whatever)" while black people "loot"...(in New Orleans after the hurricane). More typical journalism, I suppose. Well, any age has its officially sacrosanct angels who can do no wrong and its official bad guys who are always wrong, doesn't it? I note that the USA has just vetoed another U.N. resolution against Israel. Big surprise! ;-) |
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11 Nov 06 - 10:29 PM (#1883613) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: GUEST,give up on all this hatered 'Look how he abused me and beat me, How he threw me down and robbed me. Abandon such thoughts, and live in love.' 'You have to neutralize your karma.' |
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11 Nov 06 - 10:35 PM (#1883616) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Peace SSDD; same cast of characters. |
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11 Nov 06 - 10:44 PM (#1883622) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: number 6 "Much like the Closed Threads and Deleted Posts" thread. Let them ramble, after a while they'll bore themselves into a state of numbness, resulting in this thread fading off into oblivion. biLL |
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12 Nov 06 - 01:38 AM (#1883672) Subject: RE: BS: Still Waiting for Jews To Riot From: Little Hawk An excellent idea. ;-) |
