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17 Aug 06 - 05:35 PM (#1812531) Subject: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST http://news.aol.co.uk/article.adp?id=20060817060009990009 doesn't look much different from any of the other inhabitants of Maine imho ... |
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17 Aug 06 - 05:44 PM (#1812537) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: leeneia Looks like a boar of some kind to me. If it were found in Wisconsin, I'd say it was a hodag. |
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17 Aug 06 - 05:58 PM (#1812542) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Peace 'After reviewing photos of the carcass, Coleman said he was bothered by the animal's ears and snout. It reminded him of a case years ago in northern Maine in which an animal shot by a hunter could not be identified. In the end, wildlife officials got a DNA analysis that showed the animal was a rare wolf-dog hybrid, he said. Mike O'Donnell, who is married to Michelle O'Donnell, said the animal looked "half-rodent, half-dog" to him. It was charcoal gray, weighed between 40 and 50 pounds and had a bushy tail, a short snout, short ears and curled fangs hanging over its lips, he said. It looked like "something out of a Stephen King story".' Doesn't Stephen King live in Maine? Herrrrrreeeeee doggie doggie doggie . . . . . |
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17 Aug 06 - 06:00 PM (#1812544) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: DougR Oh. I thought this thread was about Kendall maybe. :>) DougR |
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17 Aug 06 - 06:07 PM (#1812549) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Rapparee I just wondered which strange creature they were talking about now. |
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17 Aug 06 - 06:39 PM (#1812571) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Jeri Looks like a dog with a deformed head. The teeth don't look like dog's teeth though, and they don't even look like a carnivore's teeth to me. I've seen wolf-dogs and coy-dogs, and they pretty much look like wolf-dogs and coy-dogs. Could be a mutation, could be a creative assemblage of parts, could be a PhotoShopportunity. I hope I hear what the final analysis is after the experts look at it. |
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17 Aug 06 - 06:56 PM (#1812579) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: bobad Why, it's just a little ol' werewolf, that's all. |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:10 PM (#1812587) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Little Hawk Wow! This is perfect for Stephen King country. It's some kind of were-beast or something that has crossed over from some evil dimension just a shiver or two shy of this reality! |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:24 PM (#1812606) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Alba Thought to be most likely a Feral Dog. Pretty vicious creatures and totally unafraid of Humans. Pretty strange looking specimen though. Jude [ a Feral Scot now living in Maine, oh and Guest visit the backwoods anytime, we like having a Guest or two for Supper round these parts] |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:35 PM (#1812618) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Little Hawk Ten years ago I knew a professional falconer here in Ontario...a young German guy who is marvelous at handling birds of prey. He told me there are packs of feral dogs in the back country, and he has been hunting them, because they attack pets and livestock. He puts up bait and sits in the bush all night waiting for a chance to get a shot at one. He says they are very clever, fully aware of the capabilities of humans, very hard to get a shot at (he has killed a few, though), and quite dangerous...if you are not carrying a gun. They're basically canine outlaw gangs. He said the biggest, toughest dog leads the pack...and they will send a smaller, less important dog in to check the bait. He generally only gets a shot at these underling dogs...because they usually manage to detect his presence one way or another before the rest of the pack moves in...in which case he shoots them immediately. I have not seen Matt in at least 10 years now, and I'm wondering if he ever got the pack leader of those dogs or not. Matt looked like the young Christopher Walken. Very intense guy. |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:37 PM (#1812619) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Kaleea freaky stuff goin on. any nuclear power plants nearby? |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:39 PM (#1812627) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Jeri I honestly don't think it's very scary looking - just odd. And if the critter had really bad abscesed teeth, it would account for both the big lower part of the head and the smell. If it had been a critter a-la King, it would have had much sharper teeth, glowing red eyes and wouldn't have looked so pitiful. I was working in public health, and once we were asked to call animal control because what they though was a rabid cat was terrorizing the dental clinic accross the street. We called, and I went over there. The cat was walking funny, it couldn't stop going around in circles and was meowing to break your heart. It was trying to approach people, which scared the crap out of them. Animal Control wanted to shoot it, and I convinced them not to. They wanted to jam it into a cage, and I convinced them to coax ut in. I'd run the rabies control program, and although I'd never seen a case of rabies personally, I'd seen film of animals and people with it, and I was fairly sure this cat didn't have it. It didn't. Turned out this beautiful, friendly cat had been hit by a car, had a bad head injury, and had to be euthanized. I think that people can be extremely cruel when they're scared. I've seen that at Mudcat and in real life. I've done it myself. In the case of the creepy critter, it's easier to see this 'hybryid' as a monster than an injured or sick animal or something that could have been helped. Or it could have been the result of a black lab getting too friendly with a goat. I just can't wait to hear what the necropsy turns up. |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:40 PM (#1812630) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: kendall It's a friggin dog, people. |
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17 Aug 06 - 07:42 PM (#1812633) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Little Hawk 'Tis not, you spoilsport! It's a were-monster! ;-) |
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17 Aug 06 - 08:08 PM (#1812669) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Alba LOL |
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17 Aug 06 - 08:15 PM (#1812677) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Stilly River Sage More in the Washington Post. And here, from a FOX news source (you can tell it's FOX because they have an unrelated photo of the gaping jaw of a dog with this story): Mutant Beast Found Dead in Maine By Drake La Monica An animal found dead after being hit by a car in Turner, Maine has been described as looking part-rodent, and part-dog. Some people in the area are convinced that the strange animal solves the local legend of a mysterious bloodthirsty creature. Rick Schrepper lives in Turner, where he says the thing killed local pets and livestock. "I honestly believe somebody's puppy got loose and bred with a coyote or a wolf," Schrepper said, "and it has grown and has been terrorizing us for years." Wildlife officials tested the beast's DNA and say it's a rare wolf-dog hybrid. |
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17 Aug 06 - 08:16 PM (#1812678) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Peace Well, who else BUT FOX could cover this story from the canine-family perspective? |
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17 Aug 06 - 08:41 PM (#1812694) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Sorcha Can't see ears, can't see snout.....probably a feral dog.....hungry and with abcessed teeth. |
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17 Aug 06 - 09:04 PM (#1812710) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: curmudgeon Ranger 1, where are you? |
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17 Aug 06 - 09:21 PM (#1812720) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: kendall Fish & Wildlife agent here. It's a feral dog. |
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17 Aug 06 - 09:26 PM (#1812721) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Peace Feral dogs--would they be attracted to magnets? |
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17 Aug 06 - 09:38 PM (#1812727) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: bobad You mean like Donald Trump? |
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17 Aug 06 - 10:06 PM (#1812743) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Tweed "It was evil, evil looking. And it had a horrible stench I will never forget... We locked eyes for a few seconds and then it took off." - Witness Very weird lookin' dog. Looks like an R.Crumb cartoon representation of a dog that came to life and then got hit by a damned car. It's tongue seems to be blue. I believe the DNA tests will confirm my contention that it is obviously a mix of chow-chow,boston terrier,baboon and hyena, AND THAT the great-grandson of the brilliant Dr. Moreau has abandoned the tropics for the stark Maine countryside to continue his research. |
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17 Aug 06 - 10:51 PM (#1812760) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: catspaw49 I dunno' Tweed.....I think its khandu after spending s few weeks in Yankeeland and going mad...... Spaw |
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17 Aug 06 - 11:12 PM (#1812770) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Jeri Well, I'm a former veterinary technician, and I think it's a dog, too. |
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17 Aug 06 - 11:16 PM (#1812772) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Sorcha Yea...some sort of dog or dog mix. NO pig in there.....sheesh. |
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17 Aug 06 - 11:17 PM (#1812773) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: snarky or one of kendall's old girlfriends... |
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17 Aug 06 - 11:18 PM (#1812774) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Little Hawk IT'S A WERE-MONSTER!!!!!!!!!! (in best panicky scream voice...) |
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18 Aug 06 - 02:00 AM (#1812847) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: dianavan It looks like a dead dog with rotten teeth, to me. Some ugly mutt. |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:05 AM (#1812923) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Becca72 My sister's bassett hound had a horrible smell, too... And you people thought Stephen King made this shit up. HA! |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:43 AM (#1812930) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Scoville Clearly a chupacabra. Just kidding. Looks like one ugly-ass chow mix to me. You wouldn't believe how ugly a dog can be if you mix the wrong breeds. When I was a vet tech, somebody brought in a chow/shar-pei puppy that looked like a giant, hairy, raisin. Could hardly tell which end was which. |
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18 Aug 06 - 10:26 AM (#1812958) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: SINSULL Poor thing. It was probably an adorable chubby little puppy that everyone would have foung room for. Neuter your pets people. |
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18 Aug 06 - 10:31 AM (#1812963) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Grab Terrible smell? Our friend's Scottie should be banned under the rules about chemical weapons. And that's before it farts - a dog-fart from that beastie could clear Baghdad in seconds. |
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18 Aug 06 - 10:52 AM (#1812979) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Ernest As already suggested by someone on one of the sites this could be an Akita Inu or mongrel of one. They are a Japanese breed. Loook her: http://www.akita-in-not.de/ go to "vermittelte Hunde" and scroll down to the one called "Bronco". He is black and white, but othewise very similar. See the head, the tail etc. Best Ernest |
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18 Aug 06 - 11:00 AM (#1812988) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Ernest http://www.wuac.info/StandardE.htm |
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18 Aug 06 - 11:18 AM (#1812999) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST Poor little mite.... |
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18 Aug 06 - 11:45 AM (#1813010) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Surely it's a cross between a Wolf and a Poodle (the dreaded "Woodle"...) |
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18 Aug 06 - 11:49 AM (#1813017) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST,Bee I imagine being dead (maybe long enough to be a bit swollen) makes it look a little worse, as well, but it sure looks like a dog to me. Hey, Little Hawk, up-thread there: I don't doubt it's possible that wild dog packs are roaming the back country, but your friend's description would fit the big coyotes that live here (Maritimes). Being a furriner, and a birdman, would he recognize a coyote if he saw one? The Eastern coyotes are much larger than the Western ones, and they do pack up, often. They have quite a lot of wolf behaviors, and there are some respectable naturalists who think they may be a result of coyotes breeding with the last of the Algonquin Red Wolves. Coyotes here eat cats, frequently, and will lure and kill domestic dogs, have been seen packing up to kill deer, and sometimes make quite a racket at night. |
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18 Aug 06 - 12:46 PM (#1813059) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Little Hawk There are packs of coyotes around here, and I've heard them howling sometimes, but no, Matt would not be mistaken. He's a very experienced woodsman. These are packs of formerly domesticated dogs he's speaking of...and the pack may contain quite a mixture of larger and smaller breeds, although not the really small breeds...they aren't tough enough to live long among the others. It's possible, I would think, that some of these dogs have crossbred with wolves and coyotes to some extent. Feral dogs are usually dogs who have been turned loose or abandoned by human owners...or they're the descendants of those animals. Matt says some unwanted dogs get dumped in the country by people from towns and cities. Some find someone to take them in. Some turn wild. There aren't any coyotes right near where I live...it's too settled around here, but if you drive a mere 15 or 20 miles north or sort of northwest you can find some extensive rough wilderness areas, and there you will find them. They're not easy to see, because they are active mostly after dark. I have seen them on a moonlit night at a friends place once, running around out in the meadows. I haven't seen any feral dogs. One friend of mine saw a wolf on one occasion though, and that was in daylight. |
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18 Aug 06 - 12:47 PM (#1813060) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: John MacKenzie It's a bird-dog! G. |
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18 Aug 06 - 01:10 PM (#1813089) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: bobad Bee It has been recently found through genetic testing that the eastern coyote is a hybrid between the western coyote and grey wolf. They are around twice the size of the western coyote and are quite plentiful in eastern Ontario where I live. "though coyotes are often mistaken for a domestic dog hybrid, recent genetic research has attributed the eastern coyote's larger size and unique behavioral characteristics to interbreeding with Canadian gray wolves. Unlike the wolf or domestic dog, coyotes run with their tail pointing down." From : http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Wildlife/Wildlife_profiles/profile_eastern_coyote.htm |
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18 Aug 06 - 01:36 PM (#1813116) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST,KB It looks like Lon Chaney to me. |
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18 Aug 06 - 02:30 PM (#1813171) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Becca72 the dreaded "Woodle" LOL!!! |
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18 Aug 06 - 02:33 PM (#1813173) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: gnu Here in New Brunswick, they pack and they run with their tails up. My old man used to call them Eastern Brush Wolves. They eat a lot of deer and they will take moose calves. |
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18 Aug 06 - 03:08 PM (#1813196) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Scoville Fostered a 1/4 chow-3/4 pit bull that looked a whole lot like that, actually. Short muzzle, small ears. He wasn't ferocious but then he wasn't feral, either. And he was about that size. |
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18 Aug 06 - 03:48 PM (#1813218) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Charley Noble Well, our good governor hasn't ordered an evacuation of Turner yet, or a quarantine of its entire population, some 4315 frightened souls. I think Kendall and Jeri have their heads screwed on correctly with their comments. I don't think there has been any DNA testing as of yet. The Maine Fisheries & Wildlife folks ignored all appeals to get involved. But I'm sure CNN has a crew on the ground sniffing for clues. The photo I saw in the papers reminded me of a Hyeana, which are as rare in Maine as warewolves. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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18 Aug 06 - 04:01 PM (#1813226) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Becca72 From what I read in the Portland Press Herald yesterday IF&W isn't going to be doing any testing, as they basically left the carcass out for the vultures and it was pretty well picked clean. I got the impression they just disposed of it. http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/state/060817beast.shtml Sorry, don't know how to make a blue clicky thingie... |
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18 Aug 06 - 04:42 PM (#1813251) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST,Bee Thanks, Bobad, for that DNA update - Grey Wolfotes they are then! The Maritime naturalists were speculating at the time, and they guessed Red Wolf because that species was under so much pressure, which is when you get attempts to crossbreed with the nearest likely other species. Orcas and various dolphins do this, as well. Little Hawk, I'm glad to hear you are confident - just heard a story the other night about a lady farmer who settled here from the US out trying to shoot an eagle that was taking her tame ducks from time to time. Dunno what she thought it was. My friend educated her - gently (hey, she had a gun). |
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18 Aug 06 - 04:59 PM (#1813266) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Little Hawk Confident? You mean about the Were-Monster? I think it would be a real shame if it was just an ordinary dog. Stephen King doesn't live around there for nothing, you know. ;-) |
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18 Aug 06 - 05:12 PM (#1813276) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Jeri Sounds like they got some tissue samples before they left it: From the Bangor Daly News: "Sections of the Turner animal's tissue are being sent off for DNA testing." Doesn't the screaming in the night bit sound more like a wildcat? Any large wild cats in Maine? |
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18 Aug 06 - 06:28 PM (#1813346) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Liz the Squeak Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night, may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright You have been warned! LTS |
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18 Aug 06 - 09:47 PM (#1813482) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Tweed That vould be "VARNED" Liz. BTW, I heard from Khandu just this evening Spaw, so that counts him out. He said virtually nothing about being eaten by vultures and I'm sure he would have mentioned it in his casual fashion if he had been run over in Maine.....but then again... |
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18 Aug 06 - 11:10 PM (#1813527) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Charley Noble Jeri- Bobcats are alive and well in Maine, lots of coyotes, and one or two estranged wolves. We don't seem to have any old folk songs or folk tales about warewolves. However, some strange creatures have been observed late at night lurking the streets of Portland's old sailortown. Some of them even wear high heels and fishnet stockings! Cheeriliy, Charley Noble |
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19 Aug 06 - 02:51 AM (#1813605) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Liz the Squeak Jacqui - have you been away again? Kendall has REALLY let himself go without you.... LTS |
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19 Aug 06 - 10:24 AM (#1813754) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Charley Noble Seems as if the Lewiston-Sun Journal is following up this story with DNA testing of the sample one of their reporters secured. Their website crashed and burned after millions of interested people (not all Mudcatters) with nothing better to do tried to access the story. Inquiring minds, I'm sure, would like to know more from the hair of this dawg! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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19 Aug 06 - 11:24 AM (#1813778) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: catspaw49 Ya' know, I may have changed my mind on this. I still don't know what it is but I think it killed JonBenet. Spaw |
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19 Aug 06 - 12:40 PM (#1813825) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Amos Jeeze, Spaw -- first it's Shatner, now it's a werewold. Make up yer mind, mon!! LOL A |
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19 Aug 06 - 12:50 PM (#1813828) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Ernest Amos: you mean - Shatner is NOT a werewolf????? E. |
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19 Aug 06 - 01:55 PM (#1813864) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Charley Noble Spaw- You may have a point. Why don't you forward this thread to the Thai police and they could wrap up the JonBenet case for sure! Charley Noble |
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19 Aug 06 - 02:27 PM (#1813894) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Becca72 How strange is it that just 4 days ago my sister and I were driving down the VERY ROAD on which Stephen King was hit by that van...and this thingamabob looks sort of like the creature that came out of the woods at the beginning of Kingdom Hospital...oh, nevermind...only 4 of us watched that show. |
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19 Aug 06 - 04:33 PM (#1814006) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Les from Hull Dog. People have been mutilating dogs for years - they call it 'breeding'. Although, just to be certain, why don't we all split up and conduct separate searches at night, while that scary music is playing in the background? You know I was sure I'd put new batteries in this torch. |
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19 Aug 06 - 05:14 PM (#1814039) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: catspaw49 Les, you need to come over here across the pond. Our torches don't require any batteries, just our flashlights............ Spaw |
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19 Aug 06 - 05:43 PM (#1814058) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Les from Hull Yes but isn't 'torch' a much nicer word than 'flashlight'. Not nearly as descriptive, but much nicer. Puts me in mind of them old flashlight singers we had back in the 40s... |
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19 Aug 06 - 06:16 PM (#1814069) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Little Hawk That's not all. Englishmen are often seen peering under someone's "bonnet", the prurient swine! |
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19 Aug 06 - 08:19 PM (#1814140) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Sorcha Les....if you think that selective breeding is 'abuse' you are very sadly mistaken....I agree that big mistakes can be made in selective breeding, and often are by idiots who shouldn't own or breed dogs...but there ARE good reasons for it. |
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19 Aug 06 - 11:54 PM (#1814222) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST,Bee Sorcha, I love dogs, but if you can explain to me the good reason for breeding the Yorkshire Terrier, I'll be amazed. ;-} |
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20 Aug 06 - 03:59 AM (#1814266) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Dave Hanson Guest Bee, I'll explain in one word, ' ratting ' eric |
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20 Aug 06 - 05:53 AM (#1814308) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Ernest "O-ho the ratting dog, the dog down in the valley-oh"... so this song is from Yorkshire? Best Ernest |
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20 Aug 06 - 10:31 AM (#1814422) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Sorcha Thank you eric. |
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20 Aug 06 - 11:53 AM (#1814452) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: bobad I've seen rats larger than Yorkies. |
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20 Aug 06 - 12:34 PM (#1814472) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Sorcha But have you ever seen a Yorkie in action??? |
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20 Aug 06 - 12:41 PM (#1814474) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: bobad Ya mean attacking ankles? |
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20 Aug 06 - 01:02 PM (#1814484) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Sorcha Grin...attacking rats! |
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20 Aug 06 - 03:27 PM (#1814564) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Liz the Squeak I've eaten a fair few Yorkies..... Just to explain, in the UK, a Yorkie is a really thick chocolate bar..... LTS |
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20 Aug 06 - 08:29 PM (#1814733) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Scoville I finally met a Yorkie I liked a few weeks ago. Unfortuately, he's twelve years old and partially paralyzed (which is not why I like him, since he really is a dear little dog, only that it's too bad I couldn't meet one I liked that had more years left in him). Amazing. I mostly thought they were good for feeding pit bulls. |
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20 Aug 06 - 08:56 PM (#1814753) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff The beast is Alf. Peter |
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21 Aug 06 - 04:12 AM (#1814896) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Dave Hanson If pit bulls ot rottweilers were as brave as Yorkshire terriers we would be in deep shit. eric |
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21 Aug 06 - 04:29 AM (#1814903) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Liz the Squeak Deeper shit if Yorkies were the size of rottweilers! LTS |
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21 Aug 06 - 05:29 AM (#1814935) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST,CrazyEddie I saw a Yorkshire terrier kill a Rotweiller-Pitbull hybrid recently. ...Got stuck in its throat. I'll get me coat... |
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21 Aug 06 - 11:00 AM (#1815128) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: ranger1 It's a feral dog. IF&W has better things to do than to scoop up road kill for DNA testing just because some nutcase thinks there's a supernatural creature in the Maine woods. Personally, I think that was a good move on the part of IF&W, there are better things I'd like my tax dollars spent on than doing testing on feral dogs. |
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21 Aug 06 - 12:21 PM (#1815183) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh Re: The adverse effects of selective breeding; quite right. I mean, look at Britain's most familiar examples. Even drafting in pretty decent-looking weemin over the years, like the ould Queen Mother for example, the Royal Family still ends up with the likes of Cherlie and Anne. I'll get my cape, and take the Woodle for a long walk.... |
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21 Aug 06 - 02:20 PM (#1815285) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST,Stranger My first thought was it looked a lot like a chow. And thinking more, if a chow was mixed with a wolf it could possibly look like that. A chow is a tough dog and can be quite ferocius in certain situations. I'm sure it's a chow-mix of something, clearly a dog anyway. |
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21 Aug 06 - 05:34 PM (#1815444) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Liz the Squeak Isn't chow-mix a sort of dried meat substitute for campers? LTS |
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21 Aug 06 - 06:21 PM (#1815497) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Mingulay Jest ye not at the "woodle", for my ex and I once had a "Spoodle". A mix of Spaniel and Poodle. When he wasn't rolling on his back to have his tummy tickled he absolutely murdered dog biscuits, tore them to shreds in a mad frenzy often whilst balancing them on an item of footwear. Really buggers your feet up does biscuit shrapnel!! LtS, I thought chow-mix was number 43 at the Chinese takeaway. Coat on, leaving now............. |
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21 Aug 06 - 07:19 PM (#1815535) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: bobad LtS, nothing compares with the exquisite taste of fresh campers, accept no substitute. |
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22 Aug 06 - 02:21 PM (#1816303) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh So, let's all try to make up names for various cross-breedings (not necessarily canine). Hipporhinocephant? |
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22 Aug 06 - 03:58 PM (#1816366) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: gnu Well, if it's tongue is black, it's a Chow mix. Guest, Stranger... "A chow is a tough dog and can be quite ferocius in certain situations." You got that right. One of the most territorial of all dogs, it is extremely ferocious, and when the coat is well kept, most other dogs cannot inflict a good bite. Just as many sheep dogs do, a Chow will present it's flank for attack and once the opponent has taken the bait, the Chow attacks the neck and throat. A buddy of mine had one which absolutely mauled a rotty three times it's weight to the toon of $800 at the vet's. The twit that owned it had the nerve to ask my buddy to pay the bill... his dog was not on a leash while being walked and it attacked my buddy's dog in my buddy's yard, chained. That Chow also had two sheps and a dobby notched in her belt. Gentle as a kitten with children, but, not with anything else. |
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22 Aug 06 - 10:54 PM (#1816646) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Scoville I used to work for a vet and, of the breeds we saw most commonly, chows were among those that we liked least. A lot of them don't warn you before they take your face off--pit bulls and Rotties will growl and carry on but chows have no facial expressions (that you can see, at least, since they're so wrinkled), they're strong, and every time you think you have a grip on them all you really have is hair. And they're hard to muzzle because they have short, thick noses. I don't go near a chow that I don't know really, really, well. (Incidentally, our absolute least favorites were American cocker spaniels and one woman's black Russian terrier, which was as strong as a pit bull and had no redeeming temperamental qualities at all. And American cockers are surprisingly mean little bastards for something that's bred to look like a toy). |
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23 Aug 06 - 07:03 AM (#1816852) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Dave'sWife Ok - so they should tell the truth - the thing was merely playing dead and they gave it bus-fare to Los Angeles where it is now earning a living as the Wast End Ripper (See Psycho Raccon thread for explanation) No kidding, as I type it is 4 Am and I see neighors out looking for the East End Ripper with their dogs. Don't know what they think they are gonna do if they find it - give it muniicipal summons for shredding cats, possums and yip yip dogs? (See Psycho Raccon thread for explanation) West Hollywood has lost it's mind (See Psycho Raccon thread for explanation) |
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23 Aug 06 - 04:11 PM (#1817292) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST,farla I have a 50%chow/50%english bulldog mix and his head is shaped much like the animal- and my granny had a malamute that mated with a wolf in Arkansas- the puppies all had the curved teeth. As fun as it is to think it is really an oddity, it is probably just another heinz 57. |
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23 Aug 06 - 08:38 PM (#1817470) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: gnu Scoville... "... our absolute least favorites were American cocker spaniels..." Really? Tell me more, if you have time. I am considering a similar dog in the near future. |
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23 Aug 06 - 09:55 PM (#1817515) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Sorcha Well, Mr says that our county has more dog bites from Cocker Spainiels than any other single breed. I'll see if I can find actual statisics, but IMO, they are nasty evil tempered things. Lots of eye problems too. |
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23 Aug 06 - 09:56 PM (#1817517) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: gnu Thanks, S... good to know. |
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23 Aug 06 - 09:57 PM (#1817518) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: bobad It's stupid humans breeding them for show qualities that is the problem IMO. |
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23 Aug 06 - 10:02 PM (#1817523) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: gnu Well, yes, bobad... but, if left to responsible breeders, for show even, many problems will not occur. Unfortunately, there are twits everywhere you turn. |
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24 Aug 06 - 10:10 AM (#1817820) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Becca72 My friend has a cocker spaniel and he is the most annoying dog you ever could meet. HUGE separation issues (she can't even leave the room without him freaking out), hates kids, hates other dogs...very obnoxious. Granted, though, she is at fault for much of this behavior. He hasn't gotten nippy yet, but I hear that happens when they get older. |
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24 Aug 06 - 10:41 AM (#1817858) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Scoville Cockers can't do as much damage as a pit bull or a chow or some other, larger dog, but I believe that Sorcha is right about them being one of the most likely breeds to bite. I think it's specifically American cockers--not English cockers, or the other spaniel breeds. I just know that my experience was that they were adorable as puppies and then turned into snapping beasts as they got older. Also, I don't know where you live (what part of the country), but they are extremely prone to food and pollen allergies, and consequently often have chronic ear infections that require a lot of care. Probably less of a problem up north but Texas is allergen central and we saw a lot of really miserable cockers with really disgusting ear canals. I'm not actually saying don't get one, but don't get one from a pet shop. Find a either a rescue that can tell you something about the dog or a breeder with a good reputation where you can meet the parents, ask about health problems, etc. There are good and bad in every breed, and different breeds suit some people better than others. |
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24 Aug 06 - 11:39 AM (#1817920) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST,Jean Poor littl' doggie |
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24 Aug 06 - 11:39 AM (#1817921) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST,Choo Backy Wot? |
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24 Aug 06 - 11:40 AM (#1817922) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST,Joe Allen & sons Yikes! |
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25 Aug 06 - 09:42 AM (#1818688) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Dave'sWife aw - I love cocker spaniels. There is an elderly one named Joe who is close pals with my Alsatian. Joe is prone to ear infections but that's all. I credit his sweet temperment on his also elderly owner who gives him plenty of exercise, keeps him meticulously groomed and never permits him to get away with agressive behavior without a gentle correction. Joe is a darling of the neighborhood and we worry when we don't see him for a week or so. It's just like Cesar Milan says - bad dog behvaior is mostly due to the owners/masters/caretakers (whatever is the current PC term for a person who has a dog). Even so, some breeds are more aggressive by nature or more prone to bite when they feel confronted. I don't doubt Sorcha's statement. They can be highly strung dogs if not in the right situation. I'm very fond of Shibu Inus but have decided no matter how adorable they are (the look a lot like foxes) they are hunting/working dogs who prefer to be the dominant dog in the pack. I'd love one but need a more mellow type such as my Alsatian |
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25 Aug 06 - 09:55 AM (#1818701) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Scoville I like shibas, too, but they're too intense for me right now. Of course, I've got an American Eskimo dog and they certainly have enough detractors. Depends on what you can handle and what you like in a dog (I don't mind sweeping up hair, obviously). And one of these days I'm going to get that Norwegian elkhound I've always wanted . . . I actually like pit bulls a lot. The vast majority of the ones I've handled--stuck needles into, even--have been very happy dogs, but I wouldn't own one because I think it would be a legal headache, and I would be afraid someone would steal it. I cannot imagine doing pit rescue. One of the clinics at which I worked had a mostly-pit bull they wanted to adopt out but everyone that came in to look at him refused to give us any personal information (phone number, address, anything--they wouldn't even give us enough to update his medical records), didn't want to take the heartworm pills that came with the adoption fee, said the dog was for their daughter's boyfriend but they didn't know his full name, etc. Shady characters. It took us over a year to find him a trustworthy "mom". Poor dog. |
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25 Aug 06 - 11:04 AM (#1818746) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST Kind of looks like the spawn of one of those hillbilly cousin marriages. |
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25 Aug 06 - 12:57 PM (#1818793) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Scoville Hillbilly, nothing--I don't think there's any group in the world as inbred as the European royal families. |
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25 Aug 06 - 02:12 PM (#1818828) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: GUEST Yeah, it does kind of look like Charlie. |
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28 Aug 06 - 02:16 PM (#1820848) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Becca72 The verdict is in and it's..... a dog. August 28, 2006 Mystery beast was a dog Posted by The Associated Press, Wire Report at 11:31 AM LEWISTON, Maine -- The so-called mystery beast from Turner that created a media and Internet sensation was just a dog. That's according to preliminary DNA results from a University of Maine professor. Dr. Irv Cornfield said the animal had a dog for a mother and probably a dog for a father, as well. More genetic testing is expected, but the preliminary findings back up Scott Lindsay, a Maine wildlife biologist in Gray. He said it was a wild dog, based on newspaper photos. |
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28 Aug 06 - 05:41 PM (#1821036) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Charley Noble It's a dog and it's dead. Get over it. We have. I wonder if it would improve our hard cider? Charley Noble Richmond, Maine |
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28 Aug 06 - 07:12 PM (#1821106) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: kendall Becca72 10:10 am, that sounds a lot like your mother. |
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28 Aug 06 - 07:21 PM (#1821115) Subject: RE: BS: Strange Creature in Maine From: Becca72 LOL! Dad! |