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22 Aug 06 - 02:45 PM (#1816319) Subject: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: skipy Help, What is the title & has anyone got the lyrics. Regards Skipy |
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22 Aug 06 - 02:51 PM (#1816323) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: MMario who's the fool now? |
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22 Aug 06 - 02:52 PM (#1816326) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Paul from Hull Skipy, here you go! Blue Clicky Thing |
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22 Aug 06 - 02:53 PM (#1816327) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Paul from Hull *lol* Well, no fools we, are we Mario! (nor you either Skipy!) |
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22 Aug 06 - 03:07 PM (#1816337) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: skipy Thanks all, Best regards Skipy |
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22 Aug 06 - 05:12 PM (#1816417) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Dave the Gnome Additions I saw {whoever} buy a round ... Saw the {someone even less believable} turn him down ... I heard {whoever} sing a good song ... Heard the folk club sing along ... Have fun. :D (tG) |
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22 Aug 06 - 05:37 PM (#1816443) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Bill D there are many, many 'composed' verses...some more than clever... |
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22 Aug 06 - 05:46 PM (#1816449) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: skipy O/K so lets write a few - nothing nasty now! Skipy said to his man?.............. If you fill in this verse you put yourself forward for someone to put a verse forward for you! Skipy. Perhaps we can sing them at Towersey! |
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22 Aug 06 - 06:16 PM (#1816484) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Richard Bridge Saw Hartley Morris dance..... Bunch of zombies in a trance Saw Martin drive at speed.... Laughed until I nearly weed Heard Dave sing a song.... Too damn loud and too damn long Drank a Colt 45..... Wonder that I'm still alive Saw the snail drive the nail..... Faster far than British Rail Saw Tony Blair tell the truth.... And a virgin dance in Magaluf |
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22 Aug 06 - 08:45 PM (#1816580) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: The Fooles Troupe The Scots sang it as "Who's fu the noo?" - which means "Who's drunk?" -which I think makes more sense with the older verses - but the English stuffed it up... |
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22 Aug 06 - 10:48 PM (#1816643) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Malcolm Douglas Information is in previous discussions; no need to start a new thread so that people can repeat the same information (or misinformation in "Foolstroupe's" case). Search engine is at the top of every page here. There may well have been confusion at some point between "full" and "fool", but we don't know what the original was; though, since the song was first published in England c.1588 (the first text surviving is Ravenscroft,1609) while the first known Scottish example didn't appear until 1701 (and that was just a tune without words published by Henry Playford) it might seem reasonable to suppose that "fool" is the original. So far as I remember, the first published Scottish text including the line "Wha's fou, wha's fou?" didn't appear until 1827 (Kinloch, Ballad Book). Rather a big claim to say that "the English stuffed it up" when the first known Scottish text we have is more than two centuries later than the earliest surviving English one. Unless, of course, "Foolstroupe" is privy to information hitherto unknown to scholars; in which case I think we should be told. |
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23 Aug 06 - 04:19 AM (#1816794) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Dead Horse Is this song Scots or Brit Fie, man fie. Is this song Scots or Brit Whos a fool now Is this song Scots or Brit Depends on who is singing it Heard Richard playing his guitar > Heard Richard playing his guitar > Heard Richard playing his guitar Way too close - he's better by......Far. |
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23 Aug 06 - 04:21 AM (#1816796) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Scrump Richard Bridge's examples remind me that back in the 1980s (or 90s?) someone came up with: I saw Michael Heseltine ... Open up a new coal mine It would be good to come up with some similar ones for the 2000s - there must be plenty of scope with the current bunch who dictate how we live our lives. Any other suggestions? Think Prescott? Brown? (etc.) |
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23 Aug 06 - 04:23 AM (#1816797) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Paul Burke Skipy said "write a verse" Can anybody write one worse? |
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23 Aug 06 - 04:34 AM (#1816804) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Scrump To follow the spirit of the original song, I think the verses should state that the singer saw something very unlikely (the 'Heseltine' one for example, or DtG's round-buying one, or Richard's "I saw Tony Blair tell the truth"). Here's my feeble effort for starters: I saw a train leave on time ... And a song by Scrump that rhymed (well, almost) |
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23 Aug 06 - 04:52 AM (#1816810) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: trayton I heard Skipy tell a lie "I found a skip and passed it by" |
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23 Aug 06 - 06:28 AM (#1816837) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Richard Bridge Saw Dead Horse sing in tune... And fight John Rigg at Brigadoon Dead Horse's verses scan... And enlighten any man |
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23 Aug 06 - 01:27 PM (#1817137) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Zany Mouse I saw old [name] buy a round Each drink cost him half a crown. Rhiannon |
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23 Aug 06 - 03:28 PM (#1817261) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Leadfingers My favourite (NO I DIDN'T write it) I Saw a Butterfly flutter by And a Dragonfly drink a Flagon dry |
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23 Aug 06 - 04:58 PM (#1817329) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Dave the Gnome I saw a buttefly flutter by and saw a catterpiller wave his pillock at 'er? The other interesting thing is that Martin said to his man seems to be a servant talking to or about his master - Looking after him when he is drunk. It later became popular usage to refer to a servant as 'my man' but I believe in this case the 'man' is indeed the master. 'Fu' being drunk? As in 'full'? I do find it very unlikely. Fool and Fou (as in French for mad) yes, I will have that. But I find the Scottish dialect connection very unlikely. I know lots of Scots and I have never heard one refer to being drunk as being 'fu'. Pissed, Rat-arsed, Shit-faced - Yes. Fu - No. Cheers DtG |
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23 Aug 06 - 06:24 PM (#1817384) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Snuffy It's in the first verse here I BELONG TO GLASGOW - rhyming with "you" |
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23 Aug 06 - 07:21 PM (#1817417) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: The Fooles Troupe "it might seem reasonable to suppose that "fool" is the original." When you ASS-U-ME, you make a fool of U & ME... Ah, I could rant on about the dangers inherent in taking the dates of first publications as a hard indicator of what is out there in the undocumented vocal traditon, and just not been written down and published - but I'll leave that to those 'real scholars' out there... ... and I just can't resist... Heard Malcolm scold us all, fie, man, fie Heard Malcolm scold us all, who's the fool now Heard Malcolm scold us all, he thinks he knows it all Thou hast well drunken man, who's the fool now ;-) The Original Foole here... |
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23 Aug 06 - 07:51 PM (#1817436) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: The Fooles Troupe Oh, and hello Dave... :-) |
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23 Aug 06 - 08:13 PM (#1817451) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Greg B I dunno, I'm sometimes tempted to sing "Shut the f*** up!" in place of "Who's the fool now?" but that's just me... |
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23 Aug 06 - 08:50 PM (#1817481) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: The Fooles Troupe GregB You just need more Beer! ... then you won't worry about being tempted... |
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24 Aug 06 - 08:21 AM (#1817755) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Snuffy Malcolm, According to this article Seventeenth Century Scottish Music by David Vavreck , there was a version published in Edinburgh in 1662. Vavrek states: The version above is based on John Forbes' version from his Cantus, Songs, and Fancies published in Edinburgh in 1662. The last verse is unique to the English version. I originally believed that the second verse (the one about the sheep) was to be found only in the Scottish version - which would be amusing - but I then discovered that the otherwise useful edition I was working from had been silently Bowlderized. This illustrates the perils of using modern editions of period texts. As the version is merely "based on" Forbes, I have not posted it here. Is Vavrek a reliable source, and is Forbes known to you? |
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24 Aug 06 - 09:26 AM (#1817790) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Charley Noble I've always thought the verse Leadfingers mentioned above deserved a special prize, and wonder what its origin was: I Saw a Butterfly flutter by... And a Dragonfly drink a Flagon dry... I first heard it back in 1984 from Richard "Chez" Watts from Bristol, UK, who was designing supercomputer chips in Maine on his work visa, and regaling our folk club with a wonderful selection of novel (to us) verses and songs. For the record he sang this verse as: I Saw a Butterfly flutter by... Saw a Dragonfly drink a Flagon dry... He was also the first one I've ever heard sing: I'd rather have a bottle in front of me... Than have a frontal lobotomy... Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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24 Aug 06 - 11:48 AM (#1817925) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: GUEST,Scholar Well that's Malcom D's gas at a peep. |
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24 Aug 06 - 08:30 PM (#1818293) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Malcolm Douglas What does that mean? If you're hoping to shoot the messenger, then I wouldn't be too quick on the draw if I were you; you may find that your powder is wet. The text in Forbes' Cantus (link above) was published in Aberdeen, not Edinburgh, according to Simpson (The British Broadside Ballad and Its Music, 1966, 776-7 and bibliography, xxvii); but this is essentially the same as Ravenscroft: "fool", not "fu"; and more than 50 years later than Ravenscroft. The first known example with "fu" instead of "fool" is, as I said, in Kinloch's Ballad Book, 1827 (XIV, 50-54: The Man in the Moon). Of course I ought to have been more specific, saying "the first known Scottish text including the word 'fu'; but I had naively imagined that that would be understood. There will always be people, I suppose, who are more interested in sniping at others than in arriving at the truth. |
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24 Aug 06 - 10:08 PM (#1818348) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: The Fooles Troupe Precision gives better aim. |
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25 Aug 06 - 10:48 AM (#1818738) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Flash Company Saw a maid milk a bull, At every pull a bucket full.... FC |
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25 Aug 06 - 03:31 PM (#1818879) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Dead Horse Anyone can sing this song x3 You make it up as you go along This song it just goes on and on x3 And on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and onand on and on and on and on and on and on and onand on and on and on and on and on and on and on............................... |
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25 Aug 06 - 09:18 PM (#1819090) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Charley Noble Well, apparently no one has a clue where the verse "I Saw a Butterfly flutter by... Saw a Dragonfly drink a Flagon dry..." came from so I'll credit it to Chez Watts of Bristol, circa 1984. However, I have a vague recollection that the phrase turned up in some other 17th century word game. Charley Noble |
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26 Aug 06 - 11:37 AM (#1819431) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin said to his man From: Charley Noble Found it! The Rev. William Archibald Spooner is apparently the source of the lines: "I Saw a Butterfly flutter by... Saw a Dragonfly drink a Flagon dry..." As Spooner phrased it back in the late 19th century: Now you see a butterfly Bright and nimbly flutter by, Followed by a dragonfly, As it drains its flagon dry... Source: Richard Lederer, Maine Sunday Telegram, 8/31/97 Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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19 Jul 23 - 02:33 AM (#4177213) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Martin Said to His Man From: Greum I tried to hijack a hen Mistook it for a DC-10 |
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19 Jul 23 - 04:27 AM (#4177219) Subject: RE: Verses: Martin Said to His Man From: GeoffLawes Martin Said To His Man on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Martin+Said+To+His+Man |
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20 Jul 23 - 02:32 PM (#4177289) Subject: RE: Verses: Martin Said to His Man From: GUEST,Dave Hanson sounds more like a pop song IMHO Dave H |