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24 Aug 06 - 10:34 AM (#1817852) Subject: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: GUEST,john mc Thanks to the contributor of these lyrics. since it is such a lovely song, I have been puzzling over "lenten main". I think it should be "lang toon's end". |
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24 Aug 06 - 10:42 AM (#1817860) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: Peace And as I cam in by yon Lenten main, I saw another my love attend, I bowed my head and I cried, "Ochone!" The best of my good days are done. |
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24 Aug 06 - 10:49 AM (#1817867) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: Paul Burke Possibly Mains of Linton , Aberdeenshire. You might have to zoom to see it. |
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24 Aug 06 - 11:06 AM (#1817884) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: Q (Frank Staplin) In the Black Family, it is 'lentin wend.' |
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24 Aug 06 - 11:35 AM (#1817917) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: John MacKenzie DT says here Makes sense to me. Giok |
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24 Aug 06 - 12:17 PM (#1817952) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: Noreen What does "lenten main" mean please, Giok? |
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24 Aug 06 - 12:23 PM (#1817958) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: Q (Frank Staplin) Wend rhymes. I believe the noun refers to an irregular path. Main (usually mains in southern Scotland- see Burke post above) does not rhyme. The mains is the farm (formerly) attached to a mansion house (word descended from demesne lands). |
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24 Aug 06 - 12:41 PM (#1817982) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: John MacKenzie It is spelled with a capital L in the example I quoted, and when used with as capital it it means pertaining to Lent and it can mean meagre according to Webster, as in Lenten fare. However used in conjunction with main has me puzzled. The term mains is used for the inbye land of a farm and may be a corruption of mansion More possibles for Lentren here , again odd if used in conjunction with main, could be a misprint for manse which could come over as mainse to a listener. Giok |
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24 Aug 06 - 02:12 PM (#1818041) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: GUEST,Scotus (minus cookie) I've heard Archie sing this many times and it's definitely 'lang toun end'. Archie lived in Fife when he started singing it and my understanding is that this is a reference to Kirkaldy (the 'Lang Toun'). Jack |
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24 Aug 06 - 02:29 PM (#1818052) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: GUEST,Scotus (minus cookie) I'm fairly certain that the words for this are either in '101 Scots Songs' or 'The Scottish Folksinger' - however, I'm a days drive from my copies. Can anyone check? Jack |
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24 Aug 06 - 03:16 PM (#1818091) Subject: Lyr Add: WILL YE GANG LOVE (Black Bros.) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Lyr. Add: WILL YE GANG LOVE Trad., arr. Black Brothers As I came in by yon rushy wood What spied I at my true love's door My heart stood still, my eyes grew blind For to see my bonnie lad leave me behind. Chorus: And will ye gang love and leave me now Will ye gang love and leave me now Will ye forsake your own true love And gang wi' a lass that you never knew. As I came in by yon lenten wend I spied another my love attend I bowed my head, I cried ochón The best of my good days are gone. And I will tell you the reason why Because she's got more gold than I And I will tell you the reason true The sweeter taste of a love that's new. I leaned my back against an oak Thinking it was a trusty tree But first it bent and then it broke And so has my love done unto me. And if you love me we'll never part And instead of gold you can have my heart You can have my heart with a right good will You're a bonnie laddie, I love you still. "The Black Family," Dara Records, CD 023, track 6, 1986. http://www.black-brothers.com/songs/6htm Black Brothers |
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24 Aug 06 - 03:41 PM (#1818101) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: John MacKenzie The 101 Scots Songs version is the Love is Teasing variant. Giok |
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24 Aug 06 - 03:51 PM (#1818106) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: Q (Frank Staplin) 1. Archie Fisher album- "Will Ye Gang, Love." Topic 1976, track 5. Re-release 1993, Green Linnet. 2. Frances Black, with the Black Family. Daracd 023, as noted above. 3.The Browne Sisters and George Cavanaugh, West of Home, Woodenship Records, 1996. Any more available? |
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24 Aug 06 - 07:47 PM (#1818268) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: GUEST,Scotus (minus cookie) A fine singer from Kirkcaldy (Irene Riggs) also sang this and she also sang 'lang toun end'. Rashie Moor and Will ye Gang Love are both in 101 Scots Songs and I think at least one of the sets of words above are an amalgam of both. Jack |
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24 Aug 06 - 08:48 PM (#1818299) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: Malcolm Douglas Place no trust in the words of songs sung by the Black family. I am fond of their recordings, but they are full of mis-hearings. Always go to whoever they learned the song from for a reading that will make sense. They learned this one from, as they put it, "the Fisher family of Glasgow". There are several sets of this song in the Greig-Duncan Folk Song Collection, but that's volume 6 which I don't have. I'd guess that Archie Fisher got his set from the earlier selection from Greig, Folk-Song of the North-East. |
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25 Aug 06 - 12:02 AM (#1818395) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: Q (Frank Staplin) So- lang toon's end, which rhymes- main seems a stretch (and doesn't) Lenten wend seem unlikely, since 'lenten' for spring hasn't been used for a long, long time and wend for path is too poetic for the song. |
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25 Aug 06 - 02:43 AM (#1818428) Subject: ADD: The Rashy Muir From: Joe Offer The Rashy Muir Greig-Duncan #1215A As I came through yon rashy moor How spied I in my true love's door My heart grew sair an my eyes grew blind To think my bonnie love left me behind. As we came through the water wan The brig's being broken at yon mull dam I boued my body an took her through But alas she's gone an she's left me noo. As we came our yon hill sae high The nicht wis dark an my love took fleig I took her in my arms twa An we lay there till it wis day. And in the morning when we arose I helped her on wi her clothes First her stockings an then her sheen It was bit my duty when a wis dene. But when I came in at yon town end I saw another did my love attend I took aff my hat an I said Hough hon The best o my weel days are done. O are ye gone lovey are ye gone O are ye gone an left me noo Wid ye forsake a' yere former vows An break the heart o a lover true? I lent my back against an oak I thought it was a trusty tree But first it bowed an then it break And so has my false love to me. Now since all my days are done, I'll have it written on my grave stone, Here lies a young man that died for love Because his mistress wid not approve. noted by George F. Duncan from his mother's singing in 1875 Click to play (1215A) |
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25 Aug 06 - 02:53 AM (#1818434) Subject: ADD: The Rashie Moor (Will Ye Gang, Love) From: Joe Offer The Rashie Moor Greig-Duncan #1215D As I cam' thro' yon rashie moor Fa spied I in my true love's door? My hairt grew sair, and my eyes grew blin', To see my bonnie love leave me ahin'. Oh, are ye gyaun, love, to leave me noo, Oh, will ye gyang, love, and leave me noo? Wid ye forsake your former vow, And go wi' the one that ye never knew? As I gaed in by yon water wan, The brig was broken at yon milldam; I bent my body and took her through, But alas, she's gone and she's left me noo. But as I gaed in by yon toon-en', I saw another did my love atten', I took aff my hat, and I said, Ochon, The best o' my weel days is done. But I will tell you the reason why, She's got another and that's the wye; And I will tell the reason tee, He has got more gold than me. But if ye love me, love, we'll never part, And instead o' gold ye will get my heart, Ye'll get my heart wi' richt guid-will, You're a bonnie lass and I love ye still. I bent my back into an oak, I thocht it was a trusty tree; But first it bent and then it broke, And so has my love done to me. Singer: Mrs. Grieve - collected by Greig no tune |
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25 Aug 06 - 02:59 AM (#1818436) Subject: Add: The Rashy Moor From: Joe Offer The Rashy Moor Greig-Duncan #1215E 9. Now all ye people that stand aside, Woe be to this false woman's pride; She is stubborn-hearted and would not bow, She's been the death of her lover true. 10. Now when I am dead and gone, You'll write this on my burial stone, — She is stubborn-hearted and would not bow, She's been the death of her lover true. 8. Ye'll bring to me my honey sweet, And she'll put on my winding sheet; And bring to me my darling doo, And she'll lay me in my coffin too. These additional verses for 1215D furnished by Mrs Cruickshank, Greciehill, New Deer - collected by Greig no tune |
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25 Aug 06 - 03:25 AM (#1818447) Subject: ADD: The Rashy Muir From: Joe Offer The Rashy Muir (Greig-Duncan #1215B) Will ye gang, love, and leave me noo? Will ye gang, and me sae true? Will ye forsake a love sae true, And gae wi' the lad ye never knew? Singer: Mrs. Lyall - collected by Duncan (1907) Click to play (1215B)Click to play (1215C)Singer: Sam Davidson - collected by Greig |
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25 Aug 06 - 05:00 AM (#1818495) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: John MacKenzie I like the #1215D Joe, that has the right 'sound' in my ear. G. |
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25 Aug 06 - 05:58 AM (#1818517) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: GUEST,johnmc Tyhe funny thing is that I really liked the sound of "lenten main" -mysterious and poetic- but, after such scholarly debate, in which I've learned of a song which might have been mixed in, "lang toon" seems to be what I heard Archie singing in Glasgow recently, as our Latin friend, Scotus, affirms. |
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25 Aug 06 - 08:25 AM (#1818617) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: GUEST,Scotus (minus cookie) Latin Friend? Jack |
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25 Aug 06 - 08:40 AM (#1818625) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: John MacKenzie John Duns Scotus G. |
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25 Aug 06 - 09:26 AM (#1818667) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: GUEST,johnmc No offence, Jack. Just a wee jest on the "-us' ending (e.g. equus) which I remember faintly from my school days. |
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25 Aug 06 - 01:58 PM (#1818820) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: GUEST,Scotus (minus cookie) I mistook 'latin' as reference to my geographic situation - no offence taken johnmc. and, yes, Giok that's correct and I should haved twigged - mea culpa :-) Jack |
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25 Aug 06 - 02:16 PM (#1818835) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Will Ye Gang Love lyrics as audible From: Q (Frank Staplin) Thanks, Joe. Nice to have some reliable starting points. |