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25 Aug 06 - 09:26 AM (#1818666) Subject: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: GUEST,Whitby Mick of Coblers Monday Sea Shanty Gro Has anyone got the lyrics to the sea song 'Bringing Nelson Home'? |
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25 Aug 06 - 09:46 AM (#1818691) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Assuming the song you're after is Mike O'Connor's Carrying Nelson Home, I posted the words in this thread: Lyr Req: Death of Nelson , about 4/5ths way down the thread. Mick Thread #74512 Message #1602117 Posted By: Mick Pearce (MCP) 11-Nov-05 - 04:18 AM Thread Name: Lyr Req: Death of Nelson Subject: Lyr Add: CARRYING NELSON HOME (Mike O'Connor)
That sounds like Mike O'Connor's Carrying Nelson Home. These words are taken from Mike singing it but there are a few places where I'm not sure of the words in the chorus (Spanish and French in my version). I've put in what I sing. (I did email Mike over a year ago to check but got no reply and I haven't seen him since then). Martin Wyndham-Read sings the song now. |
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25 Aug 06 - 08:45 PM (#1819070) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: open mike it seems i recall his body was put in a barrel of brandy and pickled so to speak? any truth to that? |
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25 Aug 06 - 09:18 PM (#1819089) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: GUEST,Dave (the ancient mariner) Nelson was stripped of his clothes and his body hair was removed before the his was placed inside a water leaguer. The water leaguer was used as there was not enough lead on board to make a coffin. The leaguer was then filled with brandy (not rum as is often thought) to preserve the body. A water leaguer could contain 184 gallons of water and was the largest barrel on board ship of Nelson's time. The leaguer was placed on the middle gun deck of HMS Victory and guarded by Royal Marines. During the voyage to Gibraltar the brandy was drawn off and the leaguer refilled. Victory arrived in Gibraltar on 28th October, this short journey taking seven days due to the very poor weather conditions, rough sea state and high winds. Whilst in Gibraltar the brandy was again drawn off and the leaguer was filled with a solution of two parts brandy and one part spirit of wine. This procedure was carried out twice on the passage from Gibraltar to England. HMS Victory sailed for England on the 4th November 1805, was with Vice Admiral Collingwood off Cadiz until the evening of the 5th and then continued her journey home. Victory arrived off St Helens on the 4th December 1805 and moved to Spithead on the 5th. The ship remained at anchor till the 10th of December when she sailed for the Nore. At this time Nelson's body was taken from the leaguer for inspection and Surgeon William Beatty removed the bowels which had started to decay and would have putrefied the rest of the body. Whilst examining Nelson's body Doctor Beatty found the musket ball which killed Nelson. It had passed through the spine and lodged in the muscles of the back towards the right side, a little below the shoulder-blade. The report by Surgeon Beatty on Nelson's wound: "The ball struck the fore part of his Lordships' epaulette; and entered the left shoulder immediately before the processue acromion scapulæ, which it slightly fractured. It then descended obliquely into the thorax, fracturing the second and third ribs: and after penetrating the left lobe of the lungs, and dividing in its passage a large branch of the pulmonary artery, it entered the left side of the spine between the sixth and seventh dorsal vertebræ, fractured the left transverse process of the sixth dorsal vertebra, wounded the medulla spinalis, and fracturing the right transverse process of the seventh vertebræ, made its way from the right side of the spine, directing its course through the muscles of the back; and lodged therein, about two inches below the inferior angle of the right scapuld. On removing the ball, a portion of the gold-lace and pad of the epaulette, together with a small piece of His Lordship's coat, was found firmly attached to it." "W.Beatty." Lord Nelson's remains were wrapped in cotton vestments, and rolled from head to foot with bandages, as in embalming. The Body was placed into a lead coffin, filled with brandy holding solution of camphor and myrrh. The lead coffin was then placed inside of a wooden one, and then taken to Lord Nelson's cabin until the 23rd December 1805. The Admiralty had ordered that the yacht Chatham III which was the Honourable George Grey's the (Commissioner at Sheerness Dockyard) should carry the body of Nelson from HMS Victory to Greenwich. From the log of HMS Victory 23rd December 1805: "At 1-40 shortened sail and anchored with Small Bower in 12 fathoms.... in the Swin. Moored ship. Came alongside Commissioner Grey's Yacht from Sheerness, and recieved the remains of the late Lord Viscount Nelson K.B. and Vice Admiral of the White. Got a piloton board to take the ship to Chatham." The body was removed into the coffin made from part of the wreck of the ORIENT, burnt at the Battle of the Nile, and presented to Lord Nelson by Captain Hallowell of the SWIFTSURE, in 1799. This coffin with its contents was placed within a leaden coffin. The latter was soldered, and never afterwards opened. On the coffin being lowered into the yacht, the Victory struck, for the last time, Lord Nelson's flag at the fore and the same was hoisted half-mast high on the yacht. The records of the log were taken from "British Royal Yachts A Complete Illustrated History" by Tony Dalton. The Yacht Chatham arrived off Greenwich on the 24th December at 2pm, on her journey up the River Thames all military honours were paid. At 7pm Lord Nelson's body was taken through the centre gate from the river into the Royal Hospital. From Bell's Weekly Messenger November 17th 1805 Nelson's coffin at Mr Pedderson(Undertaker) Brewer Street Golden Square London The coffin which will contain the body is made out of the mast of L'Orient French ship which blew up. A brass engraved plate, with an inscription to the effect is fixed on the lid of the coffin. From the shape, it appears to have been made at sea, by a ships carpenter, the shoulder's being square, instead of the usual way made by Undertakers. The substance about an inch thick, is covered with fine black, the inside lined with superfine crape, and the ruffling, pillow, mattress, and sheets, is white satin. This coffin, which is extremely plain will be placed into a leaden coffin, and the whole will be put into an oak case, covered with crimson or black velvet, and finished with guilt furniture. |
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25 Aug 06 - 09:49 PM (#1819113) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Charley Noble Nicely done, Dave. Charley Noble |
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25 Aug 06 - 09:52 PM (#1819115) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Lady Hillary I believe Spirit of wine is brandy. |
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26 Aug 06 - 01:11 AM (#1819198) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: open mike yes but where did the liquid go that go "drained" (was it imbibed)? I have heard of some tribal nations eating part or the heart of their slain enemy...unfortunately this has negative consequences such as in papua new guinea where one tribe contracted the human equivalent of nmad cow disease...bovine encephalopy...which in sheep presents as srapie...the ones who consumed human flesh had a different life and death than those who didn't...maybe a lesson here for vegetarians>?> perhaps "partaking" of one who is revered as a hero in a way to take on some of the essence or spirit of the great leader...... sort of a religious tirual like communion... the blood and body of christ. |
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26 Aug 06 - 01:24 AM (#1819204) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Dave (the ancient mariner) spirits of wine is a kind of: ethyl alcohol, ethanol, fermentation alcohol, grain alcohol — the intoxicating agent in fermented and distilled liquors; used pure or denatured as a solvent or in medicines and colognes and cleaning solutions and rocket fuel There is nothing but heresay about the crew of the Victory drinking the contents of the barrel. Popular myth says yes they did. Sailors were very superstitious and loved Nelson. That and the fact the Marines were guarding it, means it was highly unlikely anyone would get to drink the brandy. Yours, Aye. Dave |
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26 Aug 06 - 03:03 AM (#1819224) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Bob Bolton G'day Lady Hillary, "... I believe Spirit of wine is brandy. ..." Back when I worked in a Chemist's shop - as delivery boy, ( mumble... mumblely years ago ... back in the last millennium... ) one of the more closely watched bottles in the dispensary was labelled "SVR" - ~ Spirit(us) Vini Rect(ifictus) or 'Rectified Spirits of Wine. This was purified ethyl alcohol for medicinal applications. I later discovered that young ladies working as nurses in public hospitals could always acquire some of the contents of such bottles from their dispensaries ... and never to trust the punch at their parties! The process of distilling brandy involved much the same principles ... but stopped well short of total 'recification', which would have produced brandy of no character - but lethal strength! Regards, Bob |
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26 Aug 06 - 03:54 AM (#1819234) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: GUEST Nelson was said to be very unpopular with his ordinary seamen. Members of his crew were lined up along the rout of his funeral and as it passed they jeered and shouted 'Sailors one hundred times better than you died and they never got state funerals'. Not a lot op peole know that!. Jim Carroll |
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26 Aug 06 - 07:56 AM (#1819314) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Azizi Given my Afrocentric orientation, when I read this thread title, I thought the "Nelson" that was referred to was Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela". I've heard several recordings about bringing Nelson Mandela home [from prison]. And I've also heard songs written to celebrate Nelson Mandela's release from prison. As a result of reading Frontline: The Long Walk Of Nelson Mandela-chronology I found this notation: 1985 "The song "Free Nelson Mandela" reaches the Top Ten on rock-music charts in England". -snip- When I googled the name "Free Nelson Mandela" I found this listing of rankings: http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/S427.htm I'm not sure if I've ever heard that song. But, I have heard Hugh Maskela's song "Bring Him Back Home {Nelson Mandela}" also known as"Bring Back Nelson Mandela". Some of the words to that song are: Bring back Nelson Mandela Bring him home to Soweto I want to see him walk hand in hand with Winnie Mandela.. -snip- And yes, the song is dated with its reference to Mandela's former wife, but imo, it still is a great song. Here's purchase info on the album: http://www.last.fm/music/Hugh+Masekela/_/Bring+Him+Back+Home+(Nelson+Mandela) Also, Youssou N'Dour has a song and an album called "Nelson Mandela". Unfortunately, this link http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000472P/002-1188943-3132048?v=glance&n=5174 doesn't have a sound clip of that song, though it has sound clips of other songs on that album. I've yet to hear that song either. But I have heard the roots reggae song "Mandela". I'm not sure what that song's title is or the name of the artist who sings it, but the refrain is "Mandela Mandela your free" And the song also says "Shout it out if you love Mandela". Then there are other words which I can't quite decipher. Does anybody know that song? I apologize for going off topic just this once {LOL for the "just this once" comment}. Though this thread is about Lord Nelson, I felt going off topic wouldn't be so bad since I'm sharing musical information about Nelson Mandela. |
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26 Aug 06 - 08:59 AM (#1819343) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: GUEST Don't know the song you mention, but have you heard Ewan MacColl's White Wind, which covers the aparteid era (about 25 minutes long? Jim Carroll |
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26 Aug 06 - 10:28 AM (#1819396) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Azizi Hi Jim. No I haven't heard the song or the singer until you mentioned them. But thanks to google, I have read short biography of the man on several websites including this one http://www.pegseeger.com/html/ewanmedshortbio.html Among other things, I learned that "Ewan MacColl, best known to U.S. audiences as the author of the song "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face", played a vital role in initiating and extending what is now called the "folk song revival" in Britain. For sixty years, he was at the cultural forefront of numerous political struggles, producing plays, songs and scripts on the subjects of apartheid, fascism, industrial strife and human rights. He had a large impact on the North American folk music scene as well, not only through his songs but through the numerous articles he wrote on the subject for U.S. publications". -snip- What a soul, and how greatly he impacted the world! His living was not in vain. Thanks, again, Jim. I'll definitely have to find that White Wind recording and others by Ewan MacColl. |
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27 Aug 06 - 03:34 AM (#1819852) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: GUEST Azizi Ewan and Peg were/are friends of mine - Ewan died in 1989. They were long-time supporters of the Anti-Apartheid movement and wrote several songs about the situation in S.A., the best known in the UK being I Support the Boycott. Others (off the top of my head) were Black and White and Rugby Superman (about the Springbok rugby tour) and Ten Young Women and One Young Man (Dunne's store strike in Dublin) The best of them in my opinion was he Ballad of Sharpville; still brings a lump to my throat after all these years. White Wind was a long, brilliantly constructed piece in four parts, seperate pieces joined together dealing with different periods of South African History. It was included on their LP 'Hot Blast'; my wife Pat and I, along with Ewan's daughter Kirsty, sang choruses. If you have any trouble finding their stuff I'll happily make a disc for you. Jim Carroll |
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27 Aug 06 - 07:02 AM (#1819906) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Azizi Thanks, Jim. I am honored to be 'talking' to you and would be honored to take you up on your offer of a disc. If you were a Mudcat member, I'd say I'd pm you. But another way we could get in touch with me is through my website http://www.cocojams.com/contactus.asp. If you would contact me there, I'll give you my snail mail contact info. Thanks again! Azizi |
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27 Aug 06 - 07:05 AM (#1819909) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Azizi I meant "you could get in touch with me", but I guess you figured that out. :o) |
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28 Aug 06 - 03:22 AM (#1820514) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: GUEST Azizi Sent address from your web-site, but don't know whether it went. Please confirm Jim Carroll |
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28 Aug 06 - 06:16 AM (#1820558) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Azizi [I truly apologize for this off-topic conversation. But, here I go again-for the last time in this thread I promise. And as a penance, I'll stay on-topic on other Mudcat threads all week]. :o) Jim, I didn't get a message from you. Here is the link to the home page of my website: http://www.cocojams.com/ You can click on any hyperlink provided on various pages to get to the "contact us" page. You can then write you message in the box provided-like this one-and then click submit. Hope it works! Azizi |
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28 Aug 06 - 02:07 PM (#1820837) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: GUEST Azizi, Did that - nothing happened Will try again later Jim |
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29 Aug 06 - 01:42 PM (#1821846) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Rumncoke Spirits of wine is the pure alcohol and water distilate you get from heating wine or other fermented must, and condensing the result. It always has a small amount of water in it, which can be removed by various means. I used to ferment and distil this at school as there was not enough pure ethanol provided to do all the experimants for GCE A level sciences, but I was very unpopular for not letting people kill themselves by drinking it. It would be a good preservative of everything that it was in contact with - but the innards would contain bacteria and so the anaerobic types would be quite happy to reproduce and start to decompose their surroundings. I think - hope - that 'tapping Nelson' was just an example of the Navy's sometimes rather macabre sense of humour. Anne |
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29 Aug 06 - 02:18 PM (#1821879) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: Les from Hull The idea of 'tapping the Admiral' is, in my opinion, just pure urban (or naval) myth. Spirits were always guarded by Royal Marines, and drunkenness was punished severely. The alcohol provided by official issue was enough to ensure that any substantial extra (brandy was stronger in those days and spirits of wine almost pure alcohol - equivalent to IMS (Industrial Methylated Spirit) would leave the recipient pretty well comatose. Unfortunately, many of these old rumours are being perpetuated by the Royal Navy, who as a body are pretty poor historians. |
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30 Aug 06 - 07:17 AM (#1822535) Subject: RE: Lyrics Please 'Bringing Nelson Home' From: GUEST,old git Jim Hancock (Roaring Forties) has written an excellent song about bringing home Nelson's body..not quite sure of the title |
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01 Sep 06 - 09:04 AM (#1824489) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Carrying Nelson Home From: jojofolkagogo I heard this at WHITBY - last week - sung by Martyn Wyndham Read Carrying Nelson Home, a fabulous slow sung molodious song, done brilliantly with that lovely velvet voice to die for . . . I would be great to hear this one more often ... JO-JO |
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09 May 11 - 06:46 PM (#3151094) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Carrying Nelson Home From: Herga Kitty Jacqui Morse sang this at the Herga folk club this evening as a practice for singing it in the Great Cabin on HMS Victory tomorrow for Kendall's birthday. It was a real treat to have both Jacqui and Kendall at my home folk club (not to mention that we were also treated to songs from their host and chauffeuse MGAS, along with Richard and Micca), and I'm really looking forward to singing along with the chorus on the Victory tomorrow.... Kitty |
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10 May 11 - 05:33 PM (#3151675) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Carrying Nelson Home From: Herga Kitty And Jacqui sang it for practice last night so that Kendall wouldn't guess that it would actually be Mike O'Connor singing it on HMS Victory today! I'm not sure I knew before our special guided tour of HMS Victory today that the brandy-filled barrel carrying Nelson's body home from Trafalgar was topped up with surgical spirit at Gibraltar. I did remember hearing that there had been some loss of liquid, possibly through evaporation... Kitty |
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12 Oct 21 - 06:54 PM (#4122717) Subject: Lyr Add: Carrying Nelson Home From: Felipa https://mainsailcafe.com/songs/carrying-nelson-home> https://mainsailcafe.com/songs/carrying-nelson-home Carrying Nelson Home (from the singing of Mike O' Connor) Ease the bow spring, gently set the foresheets on the windward side, Let go fore and aft then as she turns, sail her full and by to catch the evening tide. Shake out those topsails, feel the seas roll under that she know so well, Find a star to guide her to the dawn, and then let her greet the long Atlantic swell. Sing me a chanty Cantad del Cabo San Vicente* Chantez des Marin de Nile Sing a hymn of Trafalgar. Stream the log now, for she's heeling with a land-breeze to inspire, Orange-scented from the groves of Andalucia, and within my mind Cadiz still gleams with fire. Give her sea-room, put Saint Vincent well astern by break of day, Then you shorten sail and harden up the sheets, and close-hauled we'll make the Northings slip away. One point to loo'ard, for the rolling seas are getting shorter now. They remind me of the lights of (far Hiera)**, and they tell me Biscay's on the starboard bow. Shake out your reef, for carried on the breeze that's setting fair Are spices from the quays of Lorient you can sail her free to weather Finisterre. Ease your mainsheets, for it's soon we'll see the harbour lights of home, Anchor, make good every sheet and halyard, remembering just who you have on board. Pipe me ashore, gently hoist aloft your keg of brandy wine Make ready to receive the admiral's pouch, lower me easy, I'm going ashore one last time. |
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12 Oct 21 - 06:58 PM (#4122718) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Carrying Nelson Home From: Felipa https://mainsailcafe.com/songs/carrying-nelson-home (lyrics) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVF6sXMoT80 (Mike O'Connor) |