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28 Aug 06 - 10:17 PM (#1821237) Subject: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel Intro: Since being hit by lightning nearly two months ago and receiving only first degree burns, I virtually stayed off the internet, watched very little TV and limited late night radio. I felt a need to quiet the noise and tune into some innate talents that have always enjoyed. It is the talent to forcast events that come to me by way of non analytical paths. Twenty years ago it was a talent that paired well with being a clinical hypnotist for 13 years, while in every day life it often just caused suspicion and uneasiness when I shared these forcasts with others. For example last Thursday I knew there was going to be an imminent accident at a particular intersection. I even considered calling the police to report a future accident. You can imagine what could happen if I had placed that call. The very next day the exact interesction was closed for 8 hours due to a single car hitting a tree with fatal results. If you remember me and seen the 16 square foot painting of 9-11 that was begun in 1989 and finished/sold in 1999, as well as all the other verbal or illustrated forcasts, you already know I have a pretty good track record. If not, just let me say that I consider new age channeling loons to lie for a living by telling people what they believe they should hear to empower the audience or themselves. I do not consider what I do to be psychic or unusual in the least. What has changed for me is that I am starting to understand how these forcasts work. The most important overview is the fact that I have noticed that the more people who witness a particular event, the more lead time I have before the event occurs. In other words the more an event is shared by other people the better forcast as well as knowing about a future event farther back in time. Now you may ask what any of this has to do with the quantum universe and it would be a good question. With my limited knowledge of the quantum realm and the dimension or dimensions in which dark matter resides, I can only speculate on the mechanics that are involved in the perception of one reality and the collapse of another, or the geometry of space time which allows information to touch different times at the same time. First I should remind you that the "impossible" is happening all the time. Particles are popping into existence and zipping back out again. ONE object can in fact be in two places at the same time. Electrons will change their behavior just by having you look them as dempnstrated in the famous double slit interference pattern experiment. Some of the most amazing experiences I have had, like speaking to myself at 24 to myself at 66, or seeing an incursion of 4 dimensional spheres into our 3 dimensional space seems to me to have something to do with the quantum realities of our universe. I have seen two solid automobiles partially pass through each other without any collision. You have probably seen simlar things like this yourself but often you didn't register in your mind since the event is either so rare and/or outside all of your normal or taught concepts of reality. Maybe you told yourself "naw, that didn't just happen". Maybe your eyes saw it but your brain didn't process it since it had no frame of reference to compare or contrast the experience. I bet you catch yourself rationalizing many strange events in any number of ways when the event is in fact outside "conventional rational reality". Perhaps the strangest of all were the unique yet repeatitive dreams in early childhood of a consciousness that seemed to exist prior to my conception. Not of a being but of a beingness and amplitude of lines outside the dimension of time where eternities were nothing but another direction but exactness was paramount. The last time that happened was during a high fever at the age of twelve. Some people go farther than my claim of accessing events outside the rational explanation or flow of time. It is no big deal for you to claim that you create, manage or make possible an upcoming reality. Heck a Wedding planner can do that. But how about going farther than just making something. How about making sometime or making somewhere or even someone mmm that sound pleasurable ;)... or making non analytical coincidences beyond any concept of your control to make your life and love more miraculous and beautiful. This is like childs play to many creative people but in truth it is a pretty tough thing to have the concentration to create one reality while closing another. This particular zero point realm in our thought space requires a kind of timeless concentration. The kind you can get lost in. This is why some of these strange quantum events seem happen to people when they are driving. Of course the more aware you are, the more you see but I am suggesting somthing more remarkable than mere attentiveness. I am suggesting a fluid control of a NOW that is much larger than we were taught or even dared to imagine. Should I go on? |
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28 Aug 06 - 10:39 PM (#1821271) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Bill D Well, you just have to remember that what seems 'obvious' to one person is just wishful thinking and coincidence to others. You say you 'anticipated' a traffic accident. Maybe.....now when you can sit down under carefully monitored conditions and make a series of clear, testable predictions, we (and various authorities) would have to pay careful attention. In this complex world, both 'natural' and sub-atomic, there are SO many possible explanations for phenomena that sorting them out is, and has been for years, an ongoing process. Once we can figure out what is going on INSIDE our brain with its billions of cells and synapses, 'maybe' we can relate that to stuff that is clearly OUTSIDE our brains. No doubt that lightning jolt caused some circuits to do 'interesting' things....but whether these new paths represent reality or just re-wiring of subliminal stuff is, I suspect, not clear yet. I'd sure like to 'feel' some of what you are so I could talk more seriously about it, but I think I wont be standing out in any storms to tempt fate. |
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28 Aug 06 - 10:52 PM (#1821281) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: GUEST,interested guest yes, Don, please go on. It is interesting. |
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29 Aug 06 - 01:06 AM (#1821370) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Peace Go for it, Don. |
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29 Aug 06 - 02:02 AM (#1821391) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel The recent lightning is irrelevant. It was just more noise i didn't like. Decades ago I was offered a job to forecast for Navel Intelligence... or if I knew anyone who could. I said I didn't know anyone. But all that stuff is ancient history now. Yes you can predict via conscious analysis. We do it all the time. We are taught how to do that in school. However when you tune in, or forecast, lets say from a zero point consciousness it feels way different the way it comes to you sort of by surprise. Just think, on the quantum level we are all floating in the same sea of consciousness. We are all in physical contact with each other from the perspective of an added dimension. When I say I seriously considered calling the police to report a future accident, I meant it. Call it delusional but I can tell the difference between an educated guess and a quantum forecast event. Heaven forbid that the forecast thought caused it in the future while being sensed in the past. If I had called the police, No doubt I would have only made myself a prime suspect in some yokel's head. Part of the reason I am posting this stuff now is that Sunday morning at 12:52 I saw a plume of red orange explosion in a near physical sense. Five hours later there was the highly reported plane crash. This idea of tuning into many peoples simultaneous future thoughts seems to ring true to me despite the unrational nature of it. Try this in your mind Draw a two dimensional picture with items inside a closed square and you can see inside the box while other 2 dimensional figures can not see in. You just peer in from above. Well that's the way a consciousness with an added dimension can see inside our sealed cubes that we might call safes. Some of you know the website for the random number generators which are running continuously. These sealed random generators have shown us some interesting facts. Whenever a mass consciousness event occurs OR is about to occur the random number generators become relatively less random to the point we can call them synchronized. As weird as it sounds we discovered this from the OJ murder verdict announcement. about 15 minutes before the verdict was read the generators started to synchronize. For the 9-11 event they began to synchronize hours before the event. In these cases, millions of people are thinking in similar ways at the same time. Some would want to call this phenomenon the power of prayer but that would complicate the simplicity of the ideas here. It might be possible to master this idea of quantum level forecasting or tuning into to a dimension with the potential to see pan chronisticly into our dimension. Perhaps it is similar to Bhudda consciousness. Sadly it seems to me that most of the "enlightened" effects would still not be equal to the effect that several billion dollars being spent correctly would have. You may think you have cosmic consciousness but it would take $20 million to get a civilian seat on the space station. By the way that would not seem to be a correct way to spend billions. The idea of consciousness having the power to do work at a distance or the power to influence other consciousness has been deemed paranormal or metaphysical in the past but I think we are getting a more imperative handle on the phenomena every day now. Now if we could all think at the same time to stop and realize something really great in unison instead of more fear alerts or war invasions. |
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29 Aug 06 - 02:07 AM (#1821392) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel imperative- I meant empirical. |
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29 Aug 06 - 02:32 AM (#1821397) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Azizi Yes. |
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29 Aug 06 - 03:18 AM (#1821409) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: dianavan Donuel - I agree with, "Just think, on the quantum level we are all floating in the same sea of consciousness. We are all in physical contact with each other from the perspective of an added dimension." ...but how do you know the perspective of an added dimension? |
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29 Aug 06 - 08:52 AM (#1821575) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Amos Seems to me that the phenopmena you are describing make it very hard to defend the "electrons in a nutshell" model of thought that Bill espouses above ("all inside the brain"). The notion that consciousness may have operational components -- or even major aspects of its nature -- which operate outside that model disconcerts some folks and makes 'em nervous. I find it perfectly natural, but I don't subscribe to the "wee thoughts in a nutshell" version of humanity, wither. :D A |
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29 Aug 06 - 09:08 AM (#1821590) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: The Fooles Troupe The power of prayer... Last weekend in Toowoomba, my friend watched the local Christians gather for a 'pray for rain' event. As she was getting in her car, a large 'willy-willy' several metres wide formed in the car park, and headed straight for the gathering. There was no rain. |
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29 Aug 06 - 09:39 AM (#1821625) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: freda underhill most of us are looking over our shoulder. Don, your mind is amazing. more please. |
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29 Aug 06 - 04:35 PM (#1822028) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel One thing is for sure. My interpretation of my trip into the unified field of consciousness just plain sucks. Take the 9-11 painting for example. I kept adding elements to a large canvass over 10 years with no clear goal. I had even taken a small micro machine jet plane and stuck it into some gesso paint near the buildings and in front of a cloud that was actually an agonized face. For almost 3 years I could not even look upon the depraved painting of abject horror and destruction that had biliously colored arms and legs with hands and feet reaching into the sky from two burning towers looming over a city. I consciously could not explain the painting so the last thing I put in was a tidal wave so I could explain the thing as the polar shift of the Earth. I kept it in the closet until one day I advertised it on Ebay as the most hideous painting on Earth. Only after 9-11 did I make a connection the painting followed by a shocking email from the people from Texas who had purchased the painting a year earlier. I have heard dozens of stories about authors writing about 9-11 scenarios long before the event. I have even seen an X-File spin off episode of the Trade Center struck by an airliner at night. At least these forecasters were close to the mark. I do not seem to have the knack to consciously interpret these numerous coincidences. The law of uncertainty probably assures no one can be perfect messengers of extra dimensional incidents. There is an anesthesiologist who speculates there is a reason everyone has nearly the same experience of floating above their own body or drifting into the waiting room when their heart stops. He believes that the information in the people's brain is still holographic or extra dimensionally stored in space time geometry so when the body is in crises the information field of the mind drifts out of the 3D brain. Pretty strange concept but face it, 90% of all matter is now considered to be invisible. Too bad we labeled it dark matter. I would have called it something a little more uplifting. Elemental particles are popping into and out of our 3D space all the time. Life forms are popping into and out of life all the time. Our consciousness might pop into and out of a zero point state of consciousness of dreams in the deeper sea of the quantum universe followed by a narrowly defined conscious state. I have to bow to Jules Verne for being one of the greatest forecasters of things to be. Now lets hope that Mr. Witten, the genius currently unraveling String Theory, will give us a better understanding of the universe so that we may travel or think our way into dimensions that we already occupy, beyond our normal awareness. |
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29 Aug 06 - 04:41 PM (#1822034) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: number 6 Foolestroupe ... the prayer has to be in Latin in order for it to work. sIx |
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29 Aug 06 - 04:52 PM (#1822041) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Ebbie "The power of prayer..." I was going to say, Fooles, that they got their answer. :) |
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29 Aug 06 - 04:57 PM (#1822048) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel This year the AMA Journal published an article claiming that research revealed no benifit to prayer. |
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29 Aug 06 - 06:12 PM (#1822106) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Ebbie That may wwll be, Donuel. However I do know that being in the presence of a host of people all in the same mindset gives me the shivers; I even go into a cold sweat. This is true whether it is a wedding or a funeral or a political meeting or whatever. And surely concentrated thought is what prayer is? |
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29 Aug 06 - 10:02 PM (#1822282) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel Soytenly, How do I know the other dimension? I don't but that is where I thought I should begin the search. In Rochester NY at 23 Strathallan Park I was in the back office when a Manx cat I was careing for suddenly fluffed up its fur twice its normal size. I followed its gaze to the left hand portion of the ceiling and saw a glowing light floating at about 10 inches a second, SUDDENLY a second globe of light like the first one came through the brick wall following the same path and trajectory of the leading ball of light. The light was soft and nebulous. I had the impression that it was not opaque but I felt as though I could see through it as one would peer through thick haze on a summer day. They were no more than 9 inches in diameter. The cat was still freaked and the first ball was nearing the far wall close to the ceiling. It passed through the wall silently. With only seconds to spare the second ball was going to go through the wall so I jumped up on the sofa and neared my finger to the outer hazy glowing edge. There was no shock. I thought whether or not I go through the looking glass I better shove my whole hand inside the thing to know more about it. I think I did but withdrew it quickly since it was starting to go through the wall. I ran through 3 rooms to get to the area where the balls should have emerged. They did not or I had miscalculated. I had as much adrenaline as I ever recall having. Although the door was shut to the rear office, the cat must have followed me out since it was no longer there. It was then I began to read everything I could about dimensions starting with Flatland. That I would assume I was seeing another dimension was due to the fact it was not obeying physical laws that I knew. These incidents were perfeectly real but my interpretation of what the underlying cause or dimension might be had to come from my imagination. It still haunts me that what i experienced was a tiny hypersphere poking its nose into my 3 D space. The only certainty I can really have is that it was not ball lightning. At least 3 times in my life I have had the somewhat disturbing sensation of stepping from one dimension to a similar parallel dimension. Once again it could soley be imagination trying to explain a sensation I had never felt before. The most dynamic "stepping out from one dimension" happened while I was sitting. A vibration began in my toes and slowly by about 2 inches a second began to rise up the legs like a narrow band of shiverring inside and outl. It got to my knees and I thought whatever this is if it gets to my heart I might have an electrical problem in the muscle and die. Still the vibration passed up through my hips and into my abdomen. I tensed for it to reach my chest and it went right up through my neck and head and was gone leaving me shivering as if I had dodged a bullet. The very next day I broke both bones in my lower ankle. I refused to have surgury to screw the bones together and opted for natural healing. Maybe it was a mistake or maybe not but all the same it was a life changing event. The other times following the first one have been far smoother. ITs like a heighten sense of everything is the same but different even in the subjective speed in which time passes. Maybe I shouldn't have read the book The Man Who Folded Himself but I admit when I hear the saying that cats have nine lives, I take it a bit more seriously than I used to. |
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29 Aug 06 - 10:50 PM (#1822297) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Amos Donuel: You are truly getting it said, man. Much appreciated, and may you always be true to your truth. A |
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30 Aug 06 - 01:15 AM (#1822383) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel Here is a novel notion or a notion for a novel... The cold war spawned many strange and powerful weapons. Afterall there must not be a gap between our weapons and theirs. When the US learned of psychic experiments by the Soviets all hell broke loose. We began all sorts of psychic research to narrow the gap of what was called psychic warfare. Eventually a group was formed whose job was to mentally spy on the Soviets. Before long they were bragging that they were getting better than 50% success in describing places and things anywhere in the world by using a technique that we will call mental vision. As it is with most organizations there was competative infighting. A sub group of the CIA propaganda offices had a broader plan for psychic warfare. Their credo was perception is Reality. They determined that if enough people believed something was true , actual physical changes would take place to make it true, as well as motivating people to do your every bidding. This notion was much sexier farther reaching than the psychic peeping toms passing along single bits of information. Within ten years the perception is reality folks won, and the mental visionaries were put out with the trash. Some of the mental vision people turned to the private sector and became a curious footnote in history. Eventually all the elements like friends in high places and new media networks were poised to wage massive psychic warfare along with miniature troop deployments since perception is reality was viewed to be so powerful that actual troops only needed to be visible, like props in a movie, to make this new model of warfare work like a charm. Along with a Pearl Harbor like event the premise for war was drummed up for a couple months and was advertised to be an ultimate display of shock and awe. In a couple more months the televised event was about to conclude with a couple final photo ops of a mission accomplished and the final symbolic fall of Saddam before cheering crowds. There was a snag however. The shock wasn,t awing enough, the end of hostilities did not occur and there were no cheering crowds. What went wrong? The perception is reality agents failed to realize that the technique while incredibly powerful...does not work with lies. What happened with equal and opposite results was the complete reversal of all of their plans. |
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30 Aug 06 - 01:50 AM (#1822392) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel Putting morality, ethics and the notion of right and wrong aside... Every time they attacked anyone who pointed out their lies they were jamming their own strategy in reverse. Every truth they opposed in turn opposed them. The CIA perception is reality managers failed to read their own playbook. If they only read the first page of the manual, it is written in large Italics "The observer effects the observed". |
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30 Aug 06 - 10:21 PM (#1823184) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Azizi Yesterday when I drove into the gas station, I noticed a dirty youngish looking man seated on a curb across from the pump. The man was holding an animated conversation complete with gestures with himself-or was there someone there who I could not see? There have been times in my life that I have seen spirits. Others say that there are no such things, but they can say what they will, I know what I saw and I know how meaning-ful those experiences were to me. And I believe that many more people have these types of experiences- as well as the type of experiences that Donuel wrote about. |
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30 Aug 06 - 10:45 PM (#1823198) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Amos As Luc Picard knows all too well, it takes a HEAP of energy to keep the screens up all the time. It is a far better strategy to be able to face calmly whatever may appear when the screens go down. That way lies freedom. A |
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31 Aug 06 - 09:02 AM (#1823514) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel Once again while driving in a state of concentration and with your sheilds down due to fatigue anyone can see shadow people standing on the side of the road who are not physically there. Of course this is different than the subtle temporal contacts we seem to have when in a focused and timeless state of concentration. |
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31 Aug 06 - 09:38 AM (#1823545) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Grab Azizi, in my experience they usually have a hands-free set in the other ear... ;-) |
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31 Aug 06 - 10:00 AM (#1823562) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Azizi "hands free set?" Oh, you're probably using a British English term for those telephones that are plugged into a person's ear. I don't know what they're called in American {USA} English. When I first saw people talking on those phones, I wondered what in the world {or who in the world} they were talking to. But then I saw the black cord hanging down from their ear and figured that they were speaking to someone on a new fangled telephone. But this man {and other people like him that I've seen over time} was definitely not talking on a telephone. He would turn to his side and wait and then respond and nod his head and make the kind of gestures that folks do when they're highly engaged in a conversation with at least one other person. In other words, it looked like the man was talking to another person, but I couldn't seen that person with my eyes. Maybe some bums have better eye sight than 'regular' people. Or maybe their drinking or drugging puts them into another dimension which intersects this one. Maybe other people can experience that dimension without drinking or drugging. |
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31 Aug 06 - 10:25 AM (#1823571) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Paul Burke "He would turn to his side and wait and then respond and nod his head and make the kind of gestures that folks do when they're highly engaged in a conversation with at least one other person. In other words, it looked like the man was talking to another person, but I couldn't seen that person with my eyes." Lots of people like that. Usually the other person doesn't exist outside ttheir head. My friend Cecil does though. |
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31 Aug 06 - 12:50 PM (#1823667) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel What do you call an Itallian with a broken arm. Speech handicapped. |
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31 Aug 06 - 01:07 PM (#1823683) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Azizi LOL! |
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31 Aug 06 - 01:16 PM (#1823689) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Azizi Oops! My LOL was for Paul's comment. I don't think Donuel's comment is funny but to each his or her own. |
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31 Aug 06 - 02:18 PM (#1823730) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Grab The cord from the ear is a giveaway. The new ones though are wireless and rather difficult to spot. I wonder if drug addicts and schizophrenics may have an easier time now if people think they're just on the phone...? ;-) Graham. |
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31 Aug 06 - 02:33 PM (#1823743) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel further drift... People love sterotypic humor but since it is not PC anymore only a few humorists are doing it. The Brit who writes and stars in the HBO series 'Extras' has a shtick where his dim but kind friend makes inappropriate sterotypic references and he tries to apologize for her inept comment and always makes it worse. |
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01 Sep 06 - 03:21 PM (#1824836) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel OK enough side tracks, time to get back the the quantum universe we live in and how your interaction with it creates a reality in keeping with you the observer and participant. Why do many people not create their own reality or have the ability to foresee events that defy the conventional view of time? Because they do not believe they can. So if we do not invest any attention to doing things that the universe truely allows us to do but that we are taught is impossible ,or perhaps only coincidental, we don't even take the first step to notice something new. We are swimming in a quantum sea of potentialities just like particles that have the potential to act like a particle or act like a wave. There are boson condensate particles that have a particle mass but have anywhere from 2 to 3,000 waveforms. We can take a photograph of the particle with ints multiple wave forms we can wee the one songle particle in several places within the exact same moment in time. It really is just one thing but it is visible to the naked eye as being here and there and over there. This is hard to believe and people do not believe it, not because they think we are lying but simply because it does not seem rational. You've heard of the quantum leap. You may know that electrons have different orbits and they sometimes change orbits. When they change orbits it is called a quantum leap because they do not travel from one space to another, they just disappear and then reappear in a new space/orbit. No distance is traveled they just "leap". In our universe things travel without moving through 3D space. Seems contrary to our normal expectations. Well we need our expectations in everyday life because it would be paralyzing to not trust our eyes that the floor is still there or not for every step we take. The fundamental truth of unity implies that all the different scales of the universe work in a cooperation and unity with every other area of the universe. Now lets see how we are united. Lets take something small to begin. Lets take a photon and split it in two and send half it way out in the universe dozens of light years away. Then we spin the photon still bouncin around in our lab, the other half which is really bouncing around inside a faraday cage inside a sealed vault suddenly spins the esact same way we spun our lab photon - AT THE EXACT SAME TIME This is like information taking a route outside the speed of light or more truthfully the photon was never completly seperated in two and they are always entangled no matter how far apart they become. We are all entangled. We are entangled in time. We are entangled in time which has the potential to construct itself backwards to the "normal direction of flow. Entanglement is a key to understanding how we can do some remarkable things. The knowledge of this entanglement alone can help us do some remakable things. We are not just waves of information in a clock work universe. We are entangled. So what! What can you do with this knowledge? Let me go further... Let me explain... |
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01 Sep 06 - 04:34 PM (#1824913) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel You can make the past effect the future as well as have the future effect the past. What you are going to do with this knowledge? You will force your brain to do new things in new ways by being aware that you can do them. Einstein saw that the universe must allow for certain processes to run backwards to keep the balance. Its not time that will run backwards but certain processes of information that can go backwards. These are some of the empirical areas of exploration that I think help explain how we can know more than we need to know as well as things that normally seem impossible to know. Remember those random number generators? The only thing they can do out of the ordinary is to become non random or become synchronized with other generators. They do and will become synchronized in harmony with an event of millions of people looking at or focused on the same "think". A living system changing a machine by thinking? Yep. We are all in the same quantum universe together, machines and people alike. Yet we are not mechanical devices. Nor are we living in a clock work universe. We are living in a non material universe of waves of possibilites, waves of potentials, waves of optional outcomes. Spooky? Slippery? Well it is what what it is in this field of interconnectedness. Even to the point of being interconnected with other conscious life forms throughout the universe at large and not just a lonely mistake of a far flung solar system. Change your central paradigm toward a larger reality, and you have changed everything in your life. The effects are real. Your foreknowledge will bloom, your attitude will soothe both mind and body. It will even effect the world view as it grows. The world is begrudgingly accepting an unsuccessful paradigm. Yet one thought at a time it is changing. Of the 4 billion bits of information processed by the brain in a second we are only aware of 2000. Take that 2000 and focus it in a more constructive paradigm and solid realities will result. Embracing unconventional knowledge is fairly easy. It sort of feels happy and pleasurable combined with a heightened sense of wonder. So far I have only noticed changing small packets of the past from the perspective of the future. So far I have only had foreknowldge of large shared events in as much as 5 years in advance. Endorsing one reality over another will give a tiny push for a contray outcome to collapse in VERY small ways. Even a constant miniscule push adds up to push very large events to slow or stop and in a quantum leap a new potential becomes more likely. |
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01 Sep 06 - 05:00 PM (#1824935) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel How EXPLOSIVE is this concept? beyond our full comprehension. Chemical molecular bombs are going off everyday but go down in scale to 10 to the minus 8 and we are at atomic levels in which a atomic explosion is 1,000,000 times greater than any chemical bomb. Go down to the scale close to 10 to the minus 33 and the explosive potentialites are unimaginably greater because at theat scale all the fabric of space time is unified and is touching much of all space at very possible contact. So you can say that since our bodies really only obey Neuton's laws of mechanics and none of this tiny stuff matters...our thoughts occupy a mush smaller scale of the universe. At our foundation the quantum sea is a pure abstract potential of anything at any time in any way. There may be other species that can operate with these small dynamic potentials than the human mind but the human mind can accomplish enough to make us want to do more at these powerful yet small spaces in the cracks of our life. In the cracks of our life so small it is where everything that is important happens be it the seed of a masterpiece or the seed of a new human being. |
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01 Sep 06 - 05:04 PM (#1824940) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel So lets accept the fact that the brain can project information backwards in time*. *brain surgurgy electro probe stimulus experiments have proved this on a scale of up to 2 seconds. That is a big help in our lives and helps assure our survival. I say that with the help of like minds one can project back information much farther in time. Now how could that be of help? |
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01 Sep 06 - 05:20 PM (#1824950) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel As for the question posted elsewhere of proving impossibility , it is an incorrect question. Like asking what is the marital status of the numeral 5 there is no correct answer since the question will not allow it. Rather it is the nature of the universe at its foundation to have all possibilities existing simultaneously until an observer enters the picture. To claim impossibility is to be bound by a mechanical clock work view of the universe which, if you have been reading, ain't so on the quantum scale. |
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01 Sep 06 - 05:54 PM (#1824972) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Amos Donuel: You is on a roll, big guy -- not the Parker House variety, either. Pure open sesame. I enjoy your dissertations mucho mucho. A |
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01 Sep 06 - 05:57 PM (#1824978) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel I said the quantum scale is unimaginably energetic but with the help of cosmological math we can get some idea. Lets take the tiny size inside a hydrogen atom between its nucleus and the orbit of its electron. This miniscule vacuum, down on a Planke scale of 10 to the minus 33, if allowed to release all its energy at once in an expolsion would be comparable to a nuclear explosion of all the visible matter from Earth to a distance of several dozen light years being detonated as if it were all plutonium in a fission fusion reaction. That is one heck of a bang. |
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01 Sep 06 - 06:02 PM (#1824980) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel psst, don't anyone tell the DOD, they will think it would be a cool tactical weapon that gives way more bang for the buck. |
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01 Sep 06 - 06:41 PM (#1825003) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel You may have wondered how we can prove the brain sends information back in time. While a patient is laying on a table with his brain exposed the doctor would touch a electro probe to the region of the brain that feels the little finger. The reponse was measured at taking almost a second. When the probe touched the actual little finger however it was virtually simultaneous. No elapsed response time vs. a second or sometimes longer. The brain had information before it should have been able to register it and respond. When it comes to baseball the same thing is true. THere simply isn;t enough time to respond to hitting fast ball. Its done with anticipation. I have a wierder example of the brain anticipating things that can be experimentally repeated by anyone... stay tuned. |
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01 Sep 06 - 10:47 PM (#1825141) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel Quantum, what is it. It now stands for an interconnectivity of all things as shown by Schrodinger. Neils Bohr first showed us that when an electron changes orbit it never travels in the intermediary space in between the orbits - it just pops into a reality in a new place. Way above I noted an actual war that took place inside the CIA between the remote viewing paradigm people and the more classic propoganda people. The increasing abstractness of the remote viewing models become too strange for people in the classical model of the world could accept. Thye liked the results but they not care for the reality. I re mention now to point out how from a quantum viewpoint George W Bush and his posse are some of the most anti religious people on Earth. The classic model of the world as being a machine does not allow for an internal experience. The classic model shows that we are all just machines in a larger machine. You can destroy or kill a machine and it doesn't matter. The Quantum model shows the world to actually be more like an organism with interconnectivity beyond our awareness. The Wuantum expereice lets us go backwards in time in keeping with the Einstein time symmetry model, the Quantum experience lets us use entanglement to communicate in ways a machine can not. What are you most entangled with? IT is yourself of course. When I accidentally communicated with myself at an old age when I was only 24 and my older self told me in answer to my specific questions, "YOU KNOW MORE THAN YOU EVEN NEED TOO KNOW" I did not really get it. I now get it more than ever. Time itself is not sacrosanct. Remote viewing is not accurate because it is a hoax, it is often inaccurate because it is seeing things out of our current time frame frame. I am abour the same age as the grand daddy of all quantum wierdness experiments; the split beam experiment. I would urge others to google this for themselves even if they remember this from middle school science class. It showed how certain things are not not just a particle it is a particle and a wave, and not just those two things but also they: exist, they do not exist, they exist over there and they only exist over here ALL AT THE SAME TIME. It shows how an electron changes it state in midflight goes through two different doors at the same time and if observed it will defy your attempts to locate it. It is in all four possibilities unless you poke your nose in. The electron is aware its being watched!!!!!!! IT gets wierder so thats why I suggest you google it. The double slit experiment baffled everyone at the discovery of the super position of actual matter. The Eistien Bose condensate is a single particle with mutiple wave forms so you can see it with your naked eye being in several different places at the same time. A materialist will not believe it. It does not make sense to someone clinging to the clock work universe model of reality. Consciousness can not be ignored. It is the weave of the fabric of space time geometry. The observer effects the observed "other part" of the universe. So what can you do to USE THIS POWER which is knowledge and consciousness of vast interconnectivity? You can pause before a decision and allow the information already in space time geometry to come to you, (you can follow the force/ wait for divine intervention/ pray for an answer/follow the way of the Tao/ etc) and in that brief moment you will be observed, you will be effected and you will be open for a decision to bring about a preferred reality. I will say this again for emphasis... So what can you do to USE THIS POWER You can pause before a decision and allow the information already in space time geometry to come to you, (you can follow the force/ wait for divine intervention/ pray for an answer/follow the way of the Tao/ etc) and in that brief moment you will be observed, you will be effected and you will be open for a decision to bring about a preferred reality. |
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01 Sep 06 - 10:50 PM (#1825143) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel Do you have any interesting quantum experiences you can share ? or will the absurd question of proved impossibility - which is as meaningful as - what is the marital status of the numeral 5 distract and consume your attention |
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01 Sep 06 - 11:28 PM (#1825154) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel Edit- I said warlier that a Einstein-Bose Condensate (piece of matter) is one parcle with multiple wave . I should say it has one wave function that allows the particle to be in at least two places at the same time to as many as 3,000 places ate the same time. There are several labs in the country where you can look in the chamber and see this one thing floating in at least two places at the same time. Why this is fascinating it is quite strange. Things like electrons usually will stop being in several places at the same time just by having someone look at it. But not true of the Einstein-Bose Condensate. It lets you look and holds to its superposition. _________________________________________________ Me end here for now close to where I began; with a description of my own internal experience I had up to the age of 8 naturally and up to the age of 13 only when I had a fever. The repeating dream, as I called it, had two distinct different components. The first component was as if I were like an asteroid in space drifting for eternity which was experienced as an eternity with a demoninater of timelessness but with a numerator of still sensing time. I had an internal awareness that was like an urgency for prescision. I had to be precise. I was going to encounter the other and I had to be precise, I had to be on course. I must be careful to encounter the other just right, I can not be off course in the slightest degree. I think I can see the other. Oh my it is the other, all this time all this eternity is to waste if I am off course in any way ! Then there is a meeting with the other and that wandering form of consciousness begins to fade. The other part of the repeating dream alsways seemed to coincide but had less ego or self awarness to it. IT was visual and consisted of multiple jagged lines overlapping, changing, spikeing and changing. They were various colors but similar in amplitude with an underlying feeling that this too is important. This repeating dream in two disimilar parts felt important to the point I retained it for all my life. It seems to me now to be like a quantum revelation in the mind of a child who could keep and build upon it should life allow. Life has allowed. Quantum realities have allowed me to accept pre cognition and other possibilites through out the years. For any of you to know more about the quantum universe is as normal as recognizing that the enviormental movement is like a quantum pardigm or that the theories of the Earth as a living entity that some call Gaia is true at its heart. An organic metaphor for the world and universe will give more compassionate and intelligent stewardship of our resources and our life than the outmoded view of the Mechanical Universe where you can destroy life as you would a machine. So me and my quantum universe is the interconnected collective me. The collective me is we. Good night and good luck |
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02 Sep 06 - 01:19 AM (#1825191) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel LOVE SEX AND THE QUANTUM UNIVERSE There is not a one and only for you in a lifetime. But when you choose a mate you should be entangledin more ways than one. The best loves are the ones who can seemingly read your mind. There are guys who would not want this ability in their wife but we can bet their marriage is less than desireable. Choosing a love with whom you feel an entanglement in the quantum sense of the word should include an open mindedness toward your ability to create your best luck/reality. The night I proposed to my wife 20 years ago we had 6 quantum "coincidences" in one night. Unlikely minor miracles were happening one after another. Pizza at Delajoyos followed by a Carriage ride in Chicago ( only after I said we would take a ride only if someone gives us a coupon - then a person appeared around the corner and gave the coupon. We played pin ball that night and had a tie score at 6,773,432 points apiece. We went out with a couple who were honored in the film Close Encounters of the Third kind with cameos for their contribution of the exact terminoligy of the title of the movie. We had some more private quantum experiences later that night. Choosing your entanglement wisely seems effortless after lots of feedback but the work involved is truely monumental. Wishing all a great entanglement, Don |
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02 Sep 06 - 04:18 AM (#1825225) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: GUEST,Rabbi Donuel, i hardly belive your experiences, you said there is no frame of reference for certain inexplicable events but you have set a frame of reference for this discussion is that your experience is absolute. I have a different experience,however, deprived of conection of my other self in some other world or cosmic consciousness. My consciousness is mine and mine alone, I may know you have consciousness but I cannot experience your consciousness. You cannot cathegorize things that are not absolute. I will tell you about the absolute though. out of singularity does not come complexity, the law of thermodinamics eliminates progresive consciousness or progression in any regard. Therefore, consciosnes cannot be cosmical simply because cosmos is matter, matter has no consciousness nor creates consciousness. time is not a film track that you can fastforward, future events do not exist in the furue, they are non existant. Therefore it is unlikely that you saw some forecast prjected to you by lawsof physics or even by applying quantum physics. Elektrons might have a faculty to show themself in two different places at the same time but a person to be shown at some other place while here is not possible. Unless we are talking about a different rea, that is spiritual realm, in that case you could either be influenced by some light being but, Im affrad, by a dark being as well. Then you are in deep trouble for ,alevolent beings may reveal to you what they will do in the future and deceive you into thinking you are seeing the future. My son can predict that I will do something in five minutes just like you do, but of course, I told him five minutes before and perform the action. So with these beings. No Budha consciousnes, or quantum universe or your own ability can project that. you can obly thank God for saving you from the lightining, maybe so you could rectify your thinking. |
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02 Sep 06 - 06:53 AM (#1825282) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: JennyO With all due respect GUEST, rabbi, your post only seems to me to be the thoughts of one living within the paradigm of the clockwork universe and not seeing the quantum universe that Donuel is referring to. Nothing anyone can do about that - it is your reality. For myself, I am excited by the things Donuel has said - they resonate with me at a deep level. Donuel, the dreams you describe are amazing. In my mind I was taking the journey with you. The more I read, the more I feel the door is opening wider. Please keep posting! Jenny |
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02 Sep 06 - 10:25 AM (#1825339) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Azizi Ditto what Jenny said. Donuel, though some of your words are too heavy for me, I 'get' some of what you are saying. As to your last post about synchronicity of the close entanglement kind, let the church say "Amen". |
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02 Sep 06 - 11:07 AM (#1825367) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel I read what I posted above and realized how dyslexic my typing becomes late at night. Also my keyboard has no resistence to the keys and makes typos very easily. My apologies for the difficulty of the numerous typos both mental and mechanical. |
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02 Sep 06 - 11:38 AM (#1825388) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: GUEST Jenni, you have made an error inpresuming there is a counter-clockwork universe or parallel clockwork universe or anti-clockwork universe or whatever other universe. This is all speculation for the naive of whom the religion called science is feeding. Einstein had vehementhly opposed Bohr and his theories. Even some modern physicicst oppose it despite its popularity in the modern scientific circles. Donuel is just an imposter, with time elapsed in his lap and to many disapointments on his calendar, who wants to capture your heart, he just wants to have admirers of himself and make followers. He likes to feel a leader and since he cannot be in the natural way he must contrive some outlandish stories to capture the imagination of the gullible. Like the whole area 51 deal, or 911 conspiracy or Elsvis is alive and aliens are abducting us. Oh i forgot about the monster of the Loch Ness and the Whitch from the East, Respectively, Rabbi |
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02 Sep 06 - 11:41 AM (#1825391) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel Recognizing that we all have some limited pre cognition abilities can save your life. For example I was driving a 260 Datsun Z ( I love the Nissan Z cars since their center of balance is right at the drivers seat) and I was doing about 65 mph on an interstate. There was a car ahead of me that I was going to pass when I had a feeling there was invisible danger like feeling the hairs on the back of your neck. I backed off about 100 feet which required braking. Then about 4 seconds after the danger sensation the car ahead of me had a terrible blow out and began spinning out of control. I had plenty of room to steer clear of the erratic car ahead. The blow out driver came ot an uncontroled stop without a collision. It is safe to say if I had been right behind or beside that car there would have been a crash. It is wise to obey the hairs on your neck. ____________________________ Things are not as they seem. The biggest illusion our senses give us about the universe around us is space, distance and the underlying consciousness far below in the smallest yet most pervasive realm at the Planck level of smallness which can be called the quantum field of unity or the super string field. It is the ultimate level of smallness at 10 to the minus 34. I bet some people would have guessed 42. rabbi: Yes our bodies live in the scale of largness which obeys Newtonian laws but our thoughts operate in a scale that is very small. It can peer into a zero point field of smallness and clue us in when you let it. Have you ever looked at the Liquid filled vesicles inside the brain? An artist might see a similar structure that we would find in the particle accelerators that we build to study hugh energies in small spaces during very tiny packets of time. Physicists have marveled at how whacky that world is. But there is no denying that Quantum Physics is the most successful way at describing and predicting the the fundamental level of the universe and how it works. That is until we find more successful explanations that might come from the 11 dimensional string theory model in about 200 years. We will need to be highly evolved to handle such energies respondsibly as well as having a mastery of parallel time travel without the hazard of paradox. With such technology there is no vault safe from intruders. No place anyone could hide. No time barrier that confines far out possibilities. And no distance too great to travel in a reasonably long lifetime. |
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02 Sep 06 - 12:19 PM (#1825422) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel Do we have a quantum brain? No it is too large BUT at the scale of individual protiens, non polar electrons are free to roam and influence the protien to open or close depending upon where it bonds. The electrons obey laws at the quantum scale and in turn influence the folding or unfolding of protiens. So while the brain as a whole is not a quantum device the most fundamental construction of its building blocks are. If you accept the idea of a quantum universe you will of course build new brain ciruits which in turn can be built upon. So when you make thought more real than everything else the brain will help you step into the quantum field and tap information that you did not know you knew. "You know more than you need to know." |
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02 Sep 06 - 12:33 PM (#1825434) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: JennyO Rabbi, you scoff at the idea of area 51 or aliens, but are apparently quite comfortable talking about "malevolent beings", however I see no point in trying to argue the point with you or tell you that you are wrong. You may think I have made an error and that I need my thinking "rectified", but that is only your opinion. You are welcome to your opinion. I just don't happen to agree with it. I think we will have to agree to disagree. Donuel, I always obey the hairs on my neck. I can think of one time a few years ago, when one moment of hesitation because of that saved me from being hit by a car. It was so close I felt the air pressure as it went by me (or was it through me?) The driver stopped just down the road and rushed back, white faced, convinced he must have hit me. I found out later when talking to my daughter who was on the other side of the world, that at that particular time, she had been feeling lonely and wishing she was with me - and no, I didn't say anything about what had happened until after she had told me what she had been doing and when. |
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02 Sep 06 - 12:37 PM (#1825437) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel Your brain is designed to run on pleasure. Even single cell organisms make peptides and endomorphines and live on a seeking of pleasure for survival. A peptide is an emotion chemical made of amino acide combinations. In our brain they are manufactured in our hypothalamus. All of our cells have receptor sites for various peptides. Sometimes a chemical will have the correct electrostatic charge and size to fit in the keyhole of a receptor that opens up to the outside world of a cell. Some of these chemicals that we do not produce are called andogenous ligants. They might be LSD, MDA, Mushroom alkaloids etc. that fit into a variety of our cells receptors even though our recptors are for peptides that our hypothalamus produces based on our own thoughts. So your thoughts will determine how much pleasure you let yourself have. |
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02 Sep 06 - 06:45 PM (#1825624) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel The consequence of thinking and knowing of the quantum field will be to have your thoughts picked up by other thinking people. To love your neighbor as yourself not because it is a good thing to do but because you know that your entanglement means the way you treat them makes the reality you will will share with them. As co creators in this field you know the respondsibility to build a better future. All of this quasi empirical description demonstrates how both scientists and mystics approach the same questions about our universe. THere are still classic models in Western society such as medicine, economics that need a paradigm shift. I fall back on classical models all the time and struggle to get back to a more enlightened path. For exaple I had a wart like thing on my heel that grew and hardened into a mass as big as a golf ball that made walking without a painful limp impossible. Doctors suggested this a that as well as rule out surgury which would result in no heel being left. I got so frustrated I through away all my shoes except for a highly padded pair, then fell asleep at 4PM. Two and a half hours later I woke up and went to limp to the bathroom but I didn't. THe entire mass was gone and all the tissue was soft and pliable with no trace of the growth except for a little surface callous. I think it is fair to reason many of us have had cancer and have overcome it without ever knowing. I had some skin cells on my temple that started to grow exponentially and formed a big white bump under the skin that was noticable to everyone. One night I had a nightmare that I scratched my head and made a small hole. I then felt something there and pulled it a bit. TO my horror it was part of my brain. In an effort to put it back in I tried pulling a little more out to shove it back in but I now had a strand of cerebral cortex hanging out like a fat piece of yarn. THe dream got so gross I turned it off. The next day I manipulated the bump on my temple and a strand burst out that was about 7 inches long. IT was a skin cell that had gone nuts and grew like a string. I removed the source and it never returned. These physical examples may be gross but as a clinical hypnotist it all seemed quite plausible and normal that I had created a reality to cure the affliction in emotions or dreams and they then became reality. edit... I mentioned that the hypothalamus makes all the peptides but I should say the hypothalamus makes many of the peptides in our body. It also makes chemicals that tell the pituitary to make hormones and protiens. |
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02 Sep 06 - 07:02 PM (#1825628) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Donuel "Giordiano's"* was the pizza place my sweetie and went I to. What was special was the fact that was also where my parents met.... THe best deep dish PIZZA in the world!!!! |
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02 Sep 06 - 08:45 PM (#1825670) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: GUEST To the lady that refuted me and doesn't want to refute me again, martians, whitches and cosmic conciuosness is rather something inexperienced. invisible entities wheter that be benevolent or malevolent are rather provable. take for instance cosciousness. Is it just product of a brain or something more, cannot be simply electrical impulses for electrical impulses needed to be manipulated before animating a thing. But even then an animated thing is not alive. You are an exaple of an invisible being, for inside the cacoon of your body there is consciousness. And consciousness is unexplainable by physics, you might ask you theorist Donovan about this. Consciousness is rather undifened, uninvestigated, invisible spiritual. malevolent, invisible being mht as well be. But I see no Martians around. rabbi |
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02 Sep 06 - 10:18 PM (#1825706) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Ebbie Rabbi Sol, talk about refutation! 'Twould be easier if you reread your post and edited it so that it would make refutable sense. A little more punctuation couldn't hurt either. As it stands, it seems that you have thrown some incoherent phrases together - by the way, it is NOT 'whitches' - hoping someone could follow its reasoning. I can't. |
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03 Sep 06 - 01:02 AM (#1825742) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: GUEST how about witches? Happy? Or consciousness? What other typo- mht,okay might here it is. Hope you will be able to understand my cogitations now. Rabbi |
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03 Sep 06 - 03:38 AM (#1825760) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: JennyO I'm afraid it will take more than the correction of a few spelling mistakes to make it coherent. He appears to think he has proof of something malevolent. And who the hell is Donovan? |
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03 Sep 06 - 02:58 PM (#1826077) Subject: RE: BS: The Quantum Universe and me. From: Ebbie "mht,okay might here it is." Ah. Glad you cleared that up. |