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01 Sep 06 - 05:19 AM (#1824328) Subject: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Paul Burke No doubt he'd be happier if he could burn them. |
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01 Sep 06 - 07:20 AM (#1824395) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: GUEST,Norman Normal Why should proud heterosexual men be degraded by being forced to attend a parade of hysterical gays in hot pants? The Bishop is dead right. It's an affront to decent society. |
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01 Sep 06 - 07:30 AM (#1824410) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: GUEST Are you a homosexual Mr Burke? You are always pushing it in our faces |
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01 Sep 06 - 09:27 AM (#1824509) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Paul Burke Pillock. I'm sure you wouldn't mind if firefighters refused to turn out for you, just because they think you're a drip. |
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01 Sep 06 - 09:31 AM (#1824514) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Gedpipes erkrup Don't rise to it old son. ...I am intrigued though whose faeces and what pushing? Blue skies Ged |
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01 Sep 06 - 02:28 PM (#1824797) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: John MacKenzie I'm ambivalent on this one, while I agree that the implied prejudice is hateful. What part of being a fireman is handing out leaflets at any march/meeting? There is also the private conscience issue, on the same basis 'conchies' could have been sent to the front to be shot in previous wars. Giok |
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01 Sep 06 - 02:33 PM (#1824805) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: katlaughing They were fire safety leaflets, right? I don't think their personal prejudices should come into play as to whether or not to hand them out. Would they refuse to fight the fire of a gay's home? Perhaps they'd like to go back to marking houses as they did in the old times, marking those which had fire insurance, only this time those owned by someone they revile? If their personal prejudices keep them from doing their jobs then they don't belong in those jobs. |
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01 Sep 06 - 03:28 PM (#1824841) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: John MacKenzie Still don't think handing out leaflets is a proper use of a fully trained fireman. It's like having a nuclear physicist delivering your milk. The men involved have publicly stated that they will answer a call to any house on fire no matter who lives in it. Giok |
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01 Sep 06 - 03:44 PM (#1824866) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: GUEST,Shimrod Hmmm!! A tricky one this. On the one hand there's the possibility that the firemen could have been displaying anti-gay prejudice - but I'll reserve judgement on that because I haven't heard their side of the story. On the other hand there's more than a whiff of politically correct self-righteousness here. I've learned, in my longish life, that there are a lot of sanctimonious gits out there who will jump on any PC bandwagon in order to demonstrate how morally superior they are to the rest of us. All that this behaviour does is to stifle legitimate debate. |
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01 Sep 06 - 04:00 PM (#1824890) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: John MacKenzie Stifling debate is what this government's all about. |
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01 Sep 06 - 04:13 PM (#1824900) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: akenaton If they are just like the rest of us, why do they need parades to demonstrate how proud they are to be different??. Actually I'm with the fire fighters, who have a highly dangerous and important job to do. They are rightly proud of their chosen profession and would think it diminished by their being caught up in one of these parades...Ake |
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01 Sep 06 - 04:34 PM (#1824914) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: gnu ake... "If they are just like the rest of us, why do they need parades to demonstrate how proud they are to be different??." I would have refused to do it on that basis and that basis ALONE. I don't care if anyone is gay, straight, purple polka dot, whatever. Just don't shove it down my throat and tell me not to gag. A parade? If the gay community wants some respect, they should first stop acting like a bunch of morons. Not that there is anything wrong with that... gotta cover yer ass, eh? |
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01 Sep 06 - 04:45 PM (#1824925) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Barry Finn I'm sure the fire fighters know nothing about who lives in what houses & could care less to know & would fight for the saftey of anyone in need reguardless of religon, color, sexual orientation or whatever. 1st off if they didn't feel like passing out leaflets, it'd be shamefull to require that of them never mind to force them & then to force them to do it where they may feel like they're crossing some boundary, not in your life. If they were told to pass leaflets out at a KKK rally would the Archbishop feel the need to support this other extreme too. Of course it may be in their contract that as a firefighter they are required to march or do handouts or hold raffels & sell donuts, give sexual orientation presentations & collect funds for the Battered Women's Shelter but then their time might be better spent at the firehouse on call ready to die in order to better serve the public. I wouldn't want to be the Archbishop when a fire breaks out at home. The goldfish, the turtle & the tutu well be saved before his ass-ness gets out safely. Barry |
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01 Sep 06 - 04:49 PM (#1824928) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Barry Finn Sorry, I shouldn't have condemed the Archbishop, it appears that he was in favor of the firefighter's reaction. Barry |
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01 Sep 06 - 05:02 PM (#1824938) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: John MacKenzie Archbishop Tutu Just for you Barry! Giok |
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01 Sep 06 - 09:30 PM (#1825114) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Barry Finn Thanks 'Giok'. Though Tutu is in the "good buiness" & has done well with it, if I were the Mother in that picture I hold onto my habit & if were Nelson I'd watch my tit & if I were the Llama I'd be carefull not to be treated as a 3L Lama. Barry |
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01 Sep 06 - 09:37 PM (#1825119) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: GUEST,Anon for this post. I see the issue somewhat differently. I would not want to hand out fire safety pamphlets/brochures/leaflets at ANY parade whatsoever. Noy Gay parades, not St Patrick's Day parades, not anti-war parades, not parades just for the helluvit, not parades period. I think the fire service has to keep separate from political issues of any sort. Here's the scenario: Bush party and underaged kids have a BIG bonfire going. We get called and we go put the fire out. Drunk teenagers all over the place. They come talk to us and we explain it's for their safety, etc. Anyway, the police asked us to spray the kids to get them to move on. Our reply was a polite 'not a chance'! Yes, we are town employees, but our function is education regarding fire safety, fire fighting, rescue, etc. Our public 'image' is important, and we cannot be perceived to 'take sides' in disputes, nor can we afford to be seen as 'enforcers'. I think the initial decision to hand out the stuff at a parade wasn't too bright. |
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01 Sep 06 - 10:04 PM (#1825126) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: GUEST "...I think the initial decision to hand out the stuff at a parade wasn't too bright... " Their refusal to take part certainly should not have led to the demotion of the senior member of the group (with the subsiquent £5000* loss in pay) - that was not a good decision. At most it should have been a reprimand (if that). One qustion. Were there any members of the local council or the Fire and Civil Defence Committee there, in distinctive clothing, being required to take an active part against their will? Hmmm, I thought not. W * Approx. US$ 9500 |
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01 Sep 06 - 10:07 PM (#1825127) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: The Walrus Sorry, that last enrty was me suffering from Disappearing Cookie Syndrome. W |
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01 Sep 06 - 10:31 PM (#1825136) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: LilyFestre I think handing out safety leaflets at a parade of any kind is a waste of time and money. People are out and about to enjoy the day and the celebrations, not to read safety pamphlets. I imagine many of them would end up being litter in the streets or filling the trash cans. Refusing to hand out information because it was a Gay Pride parade is just silly...sounds like a bunch of homophobes to me! And for the person who said why do they have a parade? Why shouldn't they? I've been to several Gay Pride parades...they are a ton of fun and the creativity involved is amazing!!! It's nothing more than a celebration of life and the gathering of folks who are walking similiar paths...it's too bad that people have issues with this. Michelle |
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02 Sep 06 - 11:05 AM (#1825366) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: akenaton If people like me decided to start holding parades to celebrate how proud we were to be hetrosexual, people like you would start calling us bigots!! Sometime in the near future you're going to have to start using both sides of your brain....;0)Ake |
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02 Sep 06 - 12:03 PM (#1825406) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: GUEST,Shimrod Should gay people be persecuted or discriminated against because of their sexuality? A most resounding 'NO'! Most definitely not! Should anyone be able to preach hatred against gay people. Another resounding 'NO'! Should gay people be able to celebrate their sexuality by holding parades. I say, in a free society, 'yes' - but there may be other points of view that are equally valid in a free society. Should people, whose primary job is protecting people and property from fires, be required to attend gay parades and hand out leaflets (especially if it's not in their job description). I say 'no'. Should firemen be disciplined for refusing to attend the parades and/or hand out the leaflets? A resounding 'NO'! Should the fireman be required to give a reason for refusing to hand out the leaflets or attend the parades? 'No' - I believe that it is in breach of their civil rights to require them to do so. The only reason that I can think of for disciplining the firemen is if they had made public anti-gay statements - but, as far as I know, they have done no such thing. |
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02 Sep 06 - 03:40 PM (#1825527) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: GUEST,Anon for this post also. Firefighters/rescue personnel do not inquire as to the ethnicity, race, sex, religion, etc., of the people they are tasked to protect or if necessary, assist. We do not care. (Age does come into it at times--mostly because any time we hear infants or children are involved, our adrenalin goes way up and so does our heart rate. It is also a consideration for the guys/gals doing entry. With an infant or child, we wouldn't hesitate to enter a structure with only an attack line and just trust the protection line and RIT will be along ASAP. Infants and children cannot take as much heat/smoke as older folks. Also, people with disabilities tend to tug at our heart strings. I have never heard a firefighter inquire as to the sexual orientation, marital status, religion, sex, of someone needing help. I once did mouth-to-mouth on a guy and it was a situation in which we just didn't have the time to get a protective mask. He and I certainly touched lips. I have no idea whether he was gay or not. Nor do I care. Knowing his sexual orientation would not have changed things one iota. I think the notion of handing out brochures at a parade is a foolish one. Brochures without explanations are like textbooks without explanation. If most people could learn that way there would be few teachers in the world because they wouldn't be necessary. As a firefighter, I would never voice my view that Prime Minister Harper is a horse's ass. And if that horse's ass needed my help in a situation he'd get it without question. Same for George Bush, Osama bin Laden, Nasrallah, name it. If I had to do mouth-to-mouth on someone who is openly gay, I'd do it. Openly heterosexual, I'd do it. And that is why my personal preferences as to how 'I think a person should be' have NO bearing on the tasks I have as a firefighter. Two worlds, and they just don't meet on the fireground. So why should they meet in the public arena? |
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02 Sep 06 - 08:29 PM (#1825661) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: LilyFestre Ake, Your answer comes as no surprise. In the United States of America, there ARE parades held (and police protected) for people like you, the KKK is quite active and I wouldn't be surprised to see you there, not one little bit. And Ake, there's no need for me to START calling you a bigot, you are one, as I have stated frequently. I often wonder if you had a child who was homosexual, what would you do? I imagine you to be of the variety that would disown their own child. Sad. Very sad. People are people no matter what they do in their bedroom (yes, of course between two consenting adults). Michelle |
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03 Sep 06 - 03:19 AM (#1825755) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Keith A of Hertford I disagre with Ake on most things, but he has never posted anything to justify those assumptions Michelle. |
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03 Sep 06 - 04:17 AM (#1825771) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: akenaton Lilyfester ....If you had really taken the time to read all my posts, you would have discovered that I am a thousand times more opposed to KKK parades than homosexual ones....although there are similarities. You know nothing of my personal life and are unlikely to find out, but there are people here who have the intelligence to measure other members by what they write...you are not one of them. Keith...you are correct , we are opposed on almost every subject we contribute to, but you always say what you think, and as Peace has said on another thread, that is the most important thing in forums like these. Thank you for your remark above...you are a "democrat" and a gentleman..:0).....Ake |
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03 Sep 06 - 04:23 AM (#1825775) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: GUEST,Jon I agree with you on one thing Ake. I think a hetrosexual parade would bring about objections on the grounds it was a slight on gay people, or discriminating against gay people... That is the way our PC world works. As for the parade itself, I can't I'm at all fond of the idea of parades to celebrate ones sexual orientation what ever that may be. As for the business with the firemen, I think it does come under their duties to distribute safety leaflets at parades and they were to be acting as fire officers. As such, while the level of discipline seem out of proportion to me, I think they were in the wrong. Others have commented on the valus of these leaflets but I don't think that is relevant (except to comment the fire service presumably does believe it froms part of thier fire prevention work). |
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03 Sep 06 - 04:40 AM (#1825785) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: GUEST,Jon while the level of discipline seem out of proportion to me Or, on reflection, was it? Where I last worked, "refusing to obey a lawful instruction" was, at least on paper, punishable by instant dismissal. And we only made washing machines... |
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03 Sep 06 - 06:32 AM (#1825826) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: John MacKenzie To put the cat among the penguins here, it strikes me to wonder if it would be acceptable for those fireman to refuse to hand out leaflets at a paedophiles parade? This is not as ridiculous or inconceivable as it may seem, for there was a time not that long ago when homosexuals were locked up for their sexual proclivities. People were burned at the stake as suspected witches, yet we have witches who are members of Mudcat now. Try explaining the difference between a 'White Witch' and whatever the other kind are called, to your average middle ages peasant. He would be lighting the nearest faggot [pun intended]before you had finished your first sentence. People don't accept paedophiles, while they now accept homosexuals, and white witches. However this is not true of everybody, and it behoves some people to allow other people to have their views. Just think that in America you have a bible quoting president, and places where Darwin is a swear word, yet in that great country homosexuality is celebrated in many quarters, although the very bible these people thump, prohibits the practice. Giok |
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03 Sep 06 - 06:40 AM (#1825828) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: GUEST,Jon Unfortunately, giok, if such a parade was lawful, etc. I'd have to answer the same as above. |
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03 Sep 06 - 06:58 AM (#1825835) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: John MacKenzie I'm not sure that such a parade would be against the law, the police would no doubt appeal against it on public order grounds, and have it stopped, but that wouldn't make it illegal. In spite of all the draconian laws this government has passed, thought crime is not yet on the statute books. Given time though!! Funny old thing English law. Giok |
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03 Sep 06 - 07:15 AM (#1825839) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Keith A of Hertford If a moslem fireman refused on religious grounds, I wonder if he would be disciplined. |
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03 Sep 06 - 09:12 AM (#1825879) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: LilyFestre Ake, I have NO desire to know you exactly from what you have written. You are full of hate and that makes you not worth knowing in my book. Rant on. Giok, good question although I wonder if there is a difference in that child molesters hurt people...but then again, so do the KKK and they are allowed to parade around in their bedsheets and preach hate. Very scary. Michelle |
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03 Sep 06 - 02:01 PM (#1826030) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Peace "You are full of hate and that makes you not worth knowing in my book." I think both of you people are worth knowing. You have both been my friends for three or four years now. And while I don't always agree with what each of you say on any given topic, I know that there are really good people behind each of those posts. I try to remember that especially hard when I disagree with one or both of you. FWIW. |
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03 Sep 06 - 03:34 PM (#1826104) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: akenaton Sniff...Sniff...Thanks Brucie you're the tops...Ake |
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03 Sep 06 - 06:45 PM (#1826208) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Richard Bridge People ought to recognise that firemen are one of the top sexual fantasies. Ordering firemen to parade in uniform at a gay pride parade makes about as much sense as ordering nurses to parade in miniskirts. It is putting people into a position where they will be seen as sex objects. The fire crew were right to refuse. By the way, I am very strongly pro-gay-rights. |
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04 Sep 06 - 12:22 AM (#1826332) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Peace LOL What bullshit. |
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04 Sep 06 - 12:24 AM (#1826333) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Peace Keriste, did you read the article? |
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04 Sep 06 - 04:10 AM (#1826386) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Paul Burke OK, let's try another angle. Given that raising awareness of fire safety is part of the duties of firemen, would the Archbishop have supported firemen who refused to distribute them at a Catholic parade? At a Protestant parade? At a Hindu festival? At an anti- abortion march? If not, why not? The issue is not gays; it's professionalism. |
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04 Sep 06 - 12:53 PM (#1826661) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Peace The issue is really one of handing out leaflets or brochures at a parade. That is not effective. Teaching people about fire safety requires a presentation, demonstration, etc. Anyone can understand PASS for example. It is a mnemonic for 1) pull the pin 2) aim 3) squeeze the 'trigger' 4) sweep the fire with the spray from the spout. It pertains to fire extinguishers and their use. However, giving someone that mnemonic without giving that person the chance to operate the extinguisher on a real fire is not very bright. There are other things of that nature that are not effective unless they are practised. There are five 'main' types of fire extinguisher. They are referred to with letters in Canada and the letter pertaoins to the type of material that is burning and has to be extinguished. The mnemonic: Class A is for any fire that produces ash (like paper, wood, grass). Class B is for Oil that Boils (petroleum products0. Class C is for fires where what's burning carries a current (electrical fires). Class D is for metals, and one I just learned about if Class K for kitchen fires (different than the ABC extinguisher in that it causes much less damage to the kitchen). Knowing that is nice, but it will not stick with people unless they use it in situ. If firefighters made remarks about the people in the parade, IMO they were wrong to do so. But then it wasn't too bright to waste time at a parade handing out pieces of paper, either. Better to spend the money going to schools or other places where there are lots of people who would benefit from the teaching. Maybe the fire department could ask if they can have a half hour of a church service to spread the message. How many of y'all have 1) smoke detectors in your houses/apartments, and do they work, and you know they work because you test them at least every month, right? and 2) you and your familiy have an evacuation plan with alternate routes for escape (in the event one way is blocked by fire) in place and you practice it at least four times a year, right? Just asking. (I saw yesterday--think it was the Chicago FD on TV news--that all the deaths for this year caused by fire since January 1, 2006 occurred in houses and apartments that either had no smoke detectors or smoke detectors that weren't working. A word to the wise there.) Anyway, that's all I have to say on this thread. Please keep safe. |
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04 Sep 06 - 12:55 PM (#1826665) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: John MacKenzie Ooh Cyril I feel like a fireman! |
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04 Sep 06 - 02:47 PM (#1826738) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Dave the Gnome If you just look at the rights of workers to complain and act against management decisions this particular management were so wrong to discipline the firemen concerned. They seem to be more mindful of the politicaly correct brigade than they do of the rights of their own workforce to protest. Now, whether the firemen were right or wrong it is a different kettle of fish. I would say on balance they were probably wrong but they should have been educated rather than punished. I would not blame the firemen at this brigade one iota if they took further industrial action. If that does happen remember that they will be protesting about their treatment and not against gay rights. Final point. Gay parades. There is a pride parade every year in Manchester. I went to one 10 years ago or more when it was in it's infancy. It was advertised a day of fun for all the family so my wife and I went along with our young(ish) children. It was indeed fun with music, dance, colour and celebtation. Until the floats passed. Call me old fasioned but I would not consider a man dressed in nothing but a thong and chaps rubbing his buttocks against the groin of a leather clad biker family fun. OK - there was only one float like that but I felt the display was decidedly pornographic. Had that have been a heterosexual couple they would have been made to stop on grounds of indecency. In fact there was an article in the local paper about the local council objecting to the opening of a 'lap dance' club. I object to the lap dance club as well. I have never been to one. I have not been back to the 'pride' parade either. Cheers DtG |
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04 Sep 06 - 04:17 PM (#1826832) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Uncle_DaveO There have been repeated comments above to the effect that "I don't think a highly trained firefighter should have to pass out flyers at any public function." This is an entirely separate issue from what's involved in the clipping and the founding post of this thread, entirely independent from any issue of prejudice, gender politics, or the like. A fire department's governing officials are the ones who decide whether, for instance, the circulation of flyers at public gatherings serves the department's mission of minimizing fires and the dangers thereof. Clearly the decision of this fire department was this that this is an effective tool. Whether they are right or wrong in that is neither here nor there regarding the controversy involved here. They made that decision, and have the right and duty to use such publication as a public education tool. Then too, a governmental unit always has to consider issues of public relations, and it will use (and rightly so) its employees in pursuance of that end, as long as the function doesn't get in the way of its prime function (here, fire safety). The publicly visible presence of department personnel, in uniform, serves both to lend authority to the educational matter in the flyers and to bolster the department's public relations. Even if someone here disagrees with the official determinations and policies referred to in the previous two paragraphs, no-one not a consituent of that political subdivision has a right to question said policies. I will not in this post take any position on the firefighters' motivations, nor on the higher officials' motivations in exercising discipline. I happen to think (based on what little I learned from the clipping) that the discipline imposed may have been excessive. But that's not my call to make, and it's not yours either, again unless you are a constituent of that political unit. Or unless you are a judge, properly presented such issues by way of litigation. Dave Oesterreich |
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04 Sep 06 - 04:52 PM (#1826873) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Peace Opinions are just that: opinions. People will have them as part of the socio-political process whether or noot it is 'strictly their business'. I am not living in either Israel or lebanon, but I express views on it, as do others. The war in Iraq is not my business, but I have thoughts about it. Does your post mean that if we as people are not directly involved we should have no opinion? |
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04 Sep 06 - 06:07 PM (#1826956) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Megan L I used to work out of the police station and St Andrews Ambulance Association building both neighbours of the fire station in question. I knew a lot of the lads who worked in that station ( In those days women were just begining to come into the service.) They were hard working proffessionals ready to and on several occasions did give their lives to save others. I have attended fire awareness talks given by them willingly irespective of the group who requested the talk. Having seen how people treat leaflets handed out in the street, parade or show ground it takes ages to clean up the mess of dropped paper. The one who should be disciplined is the autocratic idiot who thought handing out leaflets anywhere was a good idea. |
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04 Sep 06 - 06:21 PM (#1826967) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: pdq The following is in poor taste. If that may bother you, please skip. A gay fire fighter is one who is specially trained to put out flaming faggots. |
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04 Sep 06 - 06:43 PM (#1826983) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: bobad I agree with you pdq - it is in bad taste, in fact it is a fine example of unbridled bigotry. |
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04 Sep 06 - 07:05 PM (#1827000) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: pdq I seldom agree with Lepus Rex, but his opinion of you is spot-on. |
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04 Sep 06 - 08:49 PM (#1827075) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: IvanB Uncle Dave_O has, as usual, given a concise reading of the reality in play here. While I don't think he meant to quash opinion, I think he's rightly saying that our opinions really won't count for too much unless we're residents of the area involved or otherwise legally involved in the situation. I guess, however, I could add another scenario in which my opinion might have some effect: "I won't be spending xxxx $/£ vacationing in your area because you have homophobic firemen," or "Our firefighters' organization has just ruled out your area for our convention due to your unfair treatment of your firefighters." Economics is often a strong motivator. |
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04 Sep 06 - 08:54 PM (#1827078) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: bobad "I seldom agree with Lepus Rex, but his opinion of you is spot-on." Coming from you I take that as a compliment. |
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05 Sep 06 - 12:57 AM (#1827159) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Peace Gentlemen: I will say this: If the three of you met in person you would like each other. Bobad has been a friend for darned near 40 years; Lepus for about three, and pdq for about the same. I have had the privilege of corresponding with each of you and you have all three been thoughtful, humourous and kind. Thanks to Bobad I got stinking one evening with a friend where I live on garlic that was grown and braided by Bobad. Thanks to pdq I have a book about insects (if that includes butterflies) that allows me to identify specific ones in that beautiful group of creatures, and thanks to Lepus I have a friend in the US who is at once intelligent, witty and occasionally acerbic. At various times I have been the receiver of your wrath regarding things I have said that were thoughtless, unkind or just plain stupid. Occasionally, each of you has been wrong, although I have never been cad enough to point it out to any of you. (Well, mostly you have been wrong when we've argued with me, but let's let that go for now.) I include the three of you amongst my friends, both on Mudcat and in real life. So please, if you are going to disagree, please do so in a manner that is fit and proper. I have always found that 'fuck you' kinda says it all without offending people. Let's give that a try, because it really bugs me to see you guys scrappin' in this manner. You really WOULD like each other in real life, and since this may be as real as we will be able to make it in this life, well--I don't know what to say next except I love you guys for different reasons and I wish you'd stop. For sure, being the type of people you are, fight for your point of view, but don't lose sight of this: we might all be wrong (well, you guys, not me, but you get my drift). Tomorrow is another day, and we are not setting a good example for the UN. |
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05 Sep 06 - 01:00 AM (#1827160) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Peace "Well, mostly you have been wrong when we've argued with me" I KNOW I will be hearing about THIS! LOL |
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05 Sep 06 - 04:01 AM (#1827209) Subject: RE: BS: Archbishop backs gay snub fire crew From: Dave Masterson As with most threads of this nature, the word 'bigot' gets bandied about - the dictionary definition states: bigot n : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own So, just who is who around here? |