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04 Sep 06 - 05:06 AM (#1826416) Subject: British Monarchy question From: The Shambles I am not sure that this matters a great deal but perhaps someone can answer these questions and settle an argument? When the current Queen dies, would Prince William still become King if his father, Prince Charles had died and never became King himself? If Prince Charles had died before the Queen - would his brother Prince Andrew become King on her death? |
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04 Sep 06 - 05:15 AM (#1826418) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Paul Burke The Royal Succession. Poor old Andy is a measly 4th. Miss Zenouska Mowatt has a lot of killing to do, it might get noticed. |
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04 Sep 06 - 05:16 AM (#1826419) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: GUEST,padgett Good question Are we assuming The Duke of Edinbrough outlives the Queen too Ray |
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04 Sep 06 - 06:06 AM (#1826443) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Haruo Is there a song about this so it doesn't have to go below? Haruo |
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04 Sep 06 - 06:09 AM (#1826445) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: GUEST,Dazbo And so many of them are Miss, Mr or Master, hardly royal at all! |
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04 Sep 06 - 06:19 AM (#1826450) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Paul Burke Course there's a song about it: God save our gracious Queen Slap her in the belly with a Wall's ice cream And make her scream. |
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04 Sep 06 - 06:21 AM (#1826451) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Leadfingers Perhaps I should post the lyric for Leon Rosselson's 'Procreation' then ! |
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04 Sep 06 - 07:41 AM (#1826482) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: GUEST Anyone with a name like Columbus or Cassius instead of a proper royal name ought to be excluded automatically. |
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04 Sep 06 - 08:21 AM (#1826501) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Scrump When the current Queen dies, would Prince William still become King if his father, Prince Charles had died and never became King himself? Yes, assuming he outlives his dad - he's still next in line when Charlie goes to that great palace in the sky. If Prince Charles had died before the Queen - would his brother Prince Andrew become King on her death? No, William would still be king assuming he's alive when the Queen died after Charlie. |
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04 Sep 06 - 10:12 AM (#1826572) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Tannywheeler Well,---- "...And this is law that I'll maintain Until my dying day, sir-- That whatsoever king may reign, I'll be the Vicar of Bray, sir!!!" ("The illustrius House of Hanover And Protestant succession, To these I do allegiance swear-- While they can keep possession. For in my faith and loyalty I never more will falter And Geo-{um, Cha--um, Wills??} my lawful king shall be-- Until the times do alter.") I think it's called "Primogeniture": the oldest son of the oldest son--"legitimate" marriage issue. What was that Alec Guinness movie? Kind Hearts & Coronets?? or something else? Tw |
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04 Sep 06 - 10:36 AM (#1826581) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Les from Hull Here's a longer list |
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04 Sep 06 - 10:40 AM (#1826582) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Richard Bridge Prince Philip is not in the line of succession. There is a school of thought that in theory female siblings are coparceners, as would have been the case for real property pre-1925, but since in practice the Queen and Princess Margaret did not hold as coparceners others argue that as a matter of constitutional law the position has been determined against the theory. |
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04 Sep 06 - 10:49 AM (#1826589) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Tannywheeler Wow, Richard. That last paragraph is clear as mud. Coparcener?? Who's he when he's at home? Tw |
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04 Sep 06 - 10:55 AM (#1826593) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: GUEST hey. I'm in at 59862 !!!!!!!!! |
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04 Sep 06 - 11:07 AM (#1826597) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Snuffy But in India it appears that coparceners can/could only be male: - The right to property of Hindu women under law |
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04 Sep 06 - 11:09 AM (#1826599) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: GUEST,Jim Ward I think you will find, Richard, that Prince Phillip, The Duke of Edinburgh is around 500th in the line of succession through his mother, Princess Alice of Battenberg. She was a great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria. |
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04 Sep 06 - 11:13 AM (#1826600) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Snuffy According to the Wikipedia list Les linked to the Duke of Edinburgh actually is in the line of succession, but a long way down: "HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, the husband of the reigning monarch Queen Elizabeth II, is himself in the line of succession as a great-great grandson of Queen Victoria through his mother, Princess Alice of Battenberg. He is currently positioned at 469th." |
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04 Sep 06 - 11:47 AM (#1826618) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: The Shambles So had Prince Charles died without producing any sons - on the the Queen's death - would Prince Andrew have then become king? Or if Prince Charles's current 'heirs' were shown not to be his sons? |
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04 Sep 06 - 11:49 AM (#1826620) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Paul Burke Think of the commercial opportunities they are missing! Split the succession into divisions, say 20 in the Premier division, then into suitable sized chunks all the way down. Then have them play off against each other at polo or croquet or show jumping or whist or whatever royals are into these days. With promotion and relegation at the end of each season. the papers would be full of it. |
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04 Sep 06 - 12:14 PM (#1826639) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: GUEST I understand that Helen Mirren is now the bookmakers' favourite to succeed ER11. That's assuming that Nick the Greek doesn't bump her off. |
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04 Sep 06 - 12:33 PM (#1826650) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: GUEST,Auldtimer Suggest checking out Pete Coe's song, King & Queens of England, from his Long Company CD. Time we were rid of the lot of them. |
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04 Sep 06 - 12:41 PM (#1826656) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Rasener A song indeed She's a Killer Queen Gunpowder, gelatine Dynamite with a laserbeam Guaranteed to blow your mind (anytime) |
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04 Sep 06 - 01:55 PM (#1826704) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: The Walrus GUEST,Auldtimer, "...Suggest checking out Pete Coe's song, King & Queens of England, from his Long Company CD. Time we were rid of the lot of them..." You would prefer President Thatcher or President Bliar? That's your alternative. W |
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04 Sep 06 - 01:56 PM (#1826706) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Peace "British Monarchy question" British Monarchy answer: get rid of it. |
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04 Sep 06 - 02:37 PM (#1826730) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: GUEST,Auldtimer Well "The Walrus", how does Queen Camilla and King Tampax/Charles grab you. |
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04 Sep 06 - 04:35 PM (#1826852) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Bunnahabhain How about the common sense line of thinking? How much trouble has the Monarchy caused in the last century. You know, starting wars etc? And how much much has the Prime Minister caused? How much does the Monachy cost to run, and how much tourist money do they bring in? And how much would a President cost? The desire to change things, even though it will be positivly unhelpful is not good. |
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04 Sep 06 - 08:14 PM (#1827055) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: The Shambles What place is Mr M. Al Fayed on the list? |
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04 Sep 06 - 11:56 PM (#1827131) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Big Al Whittle Yes but the existence of The Royal Family legitimises inequality within our society. Rubber stamps it. And that does cause a lot of our nation's ills. Next time you're being treated like a piece of shit by the national health service, social services or your kid's attending a sump school, or some politician calling you the scum of the planet, because of what you think, where you come from, or what business you're in - well we all know who the cream of the crop is. who bloody cares who comes next - they won't be inviting anybody I know round for tea. |
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05 Sep 06 - 12:05 AM (#1827133) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Dave Hanson Who the feck are all these people called Taylor ? Cassius and Columbus for fecks sake, you dont get many people called Columbus round here. eric |
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05 Sep 06 - 08:07 AM (#1827338) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: InOBU Well, if you look at British history, one notes that there are a few wild card situations, such as if Scotland returns to its own monarchy, places Sean Connery on the throne of Scotland, and after the death of the English monarch, the Scots come pouring over the boarder to reclaim their rightful claim to the throne of Britan, to make up for all the tartan jokes on BBC... As the loyal toast goes in Ireland... "I give you the Queen.... you can have 'er". The big question of the day, is how we are going to get by with poor Steve Irwin gone... ? Oh my, one last "Dainjah Dainjah Danjah to you ol'skin. I hope there are aligators in heaven for ya. |
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05 Sep 06 - 09:44 AM (#1827399) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Before advocating change, try discovering something that works better than a Constitutional Monarchy. There are precious few here who could claim a Republic as being better. England had it's Civil War and eventually reinstated the Monarchy. As for petty jealousy over their rich lifestyles, get over it people. Without a rich living history and traditions, there are few examples of decent government anywhere. |
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05 Sep 06 - 09:53 AM (#1827403) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Bunnahabhain Next time you're being treated like a piece of shit by the national health service, social services or your kid's attending a sump school, or some politician calling you the scum of the planet, because of what you think, where you come from, or what business you're in - well we all know who the cream of the crop is. Yes, those who can afford to buy their way out of the system. Do those overpaid Football players have titles? No, but they have money. Look at Europe. Do the Republics of France and Germany have things so much better that the Constituional Monachies of Scandanavia? |
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05 Sep 06 - 10:27 AM (#1827439) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Les from Hull The English Civil War was all about who rules the country, the Monarch or Parliament. Having established that it was Parliament, we could invite the Monarchy back to do what it's good at, waving! I'd be happy to get rid of all the rest of the hangers-on, though. |
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05 Sep 06 - 10:32 AM (#1827449) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: The Shambles I am glad that the art of waving correctly has been finally appreciated. The trick is to hold up and use your hand as if it was caressing an imaginary buttock. Not everone can master this - it requires breeding. |
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05 Sep 06 - 10:33 AM (#1827450) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: The Shambles Did you try this? |
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05 Sep 06 - 10:51 AM (#1827471) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: SINSULL Time to dig out "Kind Hearts and Coronets". |
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05 Sep 06 - 11:40 AM (#1827505) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Paul Burke There's no particular reason why we have to change to an ACTIVE president. We could just have a figurehead, in the same way that Brenda is one at the moment. But we'd get rid of the residual powers, which aren't used but theoretically could be- Constantine of Greece pulled that trick with the military coup back in 1967. Ireland seems to get by well enough with some ex popstar or time-expired politician. Elect them for say 10 years, even Royals could stand. And a simple ballot system with write-ins could be fun. |
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05 Sep 06 - 11:38 PM (#1828089) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah2 Republics are either boring, or too exciting (murderous) by half. |
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05 Sep 06 - 11:44 PM (#1828092) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: catspaw49 359. Berengar Patterson (b. 1948), great-grandson of Emperor William II FAR OUT!!!! IF the first 358 score a plague or some other disgusting disease, then Micca and I might have a shot at getting a room with a view at the palace. Spaw |
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06 Sep 06 - 04:12 AM (#1828170) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: JennieG My grandfather had a look about him of King George VI. And what's more he was born in England, he emigrated to Oz in about 1912. That's good enough for me. Just curtsey when you address me as Queen Jennie. Cheers JennieG |
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06 Sep 06 - 12:45 PM (#1828515) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Michael in Swansea I am a Welsh Catholic Royalist. Sean Connery, King of Scotland? No way, Isla St Clair should be Queen though. |
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06 Sep 06 - 04:47 PM (#1828683) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: Kaleea Rummy bit of work, what, getting rid of all those pesky royals! Wouldn't be more fun to do the "Sword in the Stone" contest? They could even put it on TV. |
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06 Sep 06 - 10:30 PM (#1828875) Subject: RE: British Monarchy question From: GUEST As an American, I just don't get the whole royal/monarchy thing. Not just the English throne, but the whole lot of them. Or had you not heard that Princess Kiko hath spawned an heir? A large sigh of relief was heard all about those islands, as they didn't have to change the constitution to allow for a female heir to the Chrysanthemum Throne. Now that's progress. |