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11 Sep 06 - 09:59 PM (#1832292) Subject: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy Now this is the way professionals run a prison: Tortured screams ring out as Iraqis take over Abu Ghraib Some of the small number of prisoners who remained in the jail after the Americans left said they had pleaded to go with their departing captors, rather than be left in the hands of Iraqi guards. "The Americans were better than the Iraqis. They treated us better," said Khalid Alaani, who was held on suspicion of involvement in Sunni terrorism.... ...The witness said that even in the thieves' section prisoners were being treated badly. "Someone was shouting 'Please help us, we want the human rights officers, we want the Americans to come back'," he said... |
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11 Sep 06 - 11:51 PM (#1832340) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: tarheel SERVES THE BASTARDS RIGHT!!!! Pardon me if i don't cry! |
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12 Sep 06 - 12:17 AM (#1832351) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Lepus Rex Which "bastards" deserve to be tortured, shitheel? The thieves? Those *suspected* of involvement with the insurgency? Or just any old sand-nigger? ---Lepus Rex |
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12 Sep 06 - 12:45 AM (#1832368) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: DougR Aw shoot. Now who is going to police the Iraqis? The American Civil Liberties Union? Sic 'em ACLU! DougR |
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12 Sep 06 - 09:30 AM (#1832614) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: freda underhill maybe its become the next CIA remote service jail. would save a lot on airfares etc - good business proposition. or maybe the Iraqis just can't do torture like the yanks can. |
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12 Sep 06 - 09:39 AM (#1832621) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Lepus Rex Well, that's me zinged! And in ALL CAPS, no less! Because, dude, if you want to make a point, DOING IT IN ALL CAPS IS ABSOLUTELY THE WAY TO GO. Thank you Jesus, for giving us the caps lock key! Although I imagine you're an old fashioned fella, and stick to holding down the shift key... like your grandpappy did. Anyways, now that you've utterly destroyed my self-esteem,
what about an answer to my question? Which ("Ooh, how does he make that text bold? Is that another key?") torture victims won't you be crying over? |
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12 Sep 06 - 12:36 PM (#1832757) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Ebbie Go easy, folks - remember, tarheel is a Christian... |
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12 Sep 06 - 02:13 PM (#1832830) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: tarheel The Ghost of Gen Patton A Message from the Ghost of General Patton.... ATTENTION! To those whining, panty-waisted, pathetic Maggots, it's time for a little refresher course on exactly why we Americans occasionally have to fight wars. See if you can tear yourself away from your "reality" TV and Starbucks for a minute, pull your head out of your flabby ass -- and LISTEN UP!! Abu Ghraib is not "torture" or an "atrocity". This is the kind of thing frat boys, sorority girls, and academy cadets do to newcomers. A little fun at someone else's expense. Certainly no reason to wring your hands or get your panties in a wad Got that Kennedy? Hillary? Jane Fonda? The Beheading of innocent American Hostages is an atrocity!!! So was the Destruction of the World Trade center, The Pentagon, and the hijacking of Flight 93!!! Islam a peaceful religion??? Millions of these sons-of-bitches are plotting as we speak to destroy our country and our way of life any way they can. Some of them are here among us now. They don't want to convert you and don't want to rule you. You are a vile infestation of Allah's paradise. They don't give a shit how "progressive" you are, how peace-loving you are, or how much you sympathize with their cause. They want you dead, and think it is God's will for them to do it. And you think Bush and Cheney are your worst enemies? Some think if we give them a hug or listen to them, then they'll like us... and if you agree? Then you are a dumb ass! If they manage to get their hands on a nuke, chemical agents, or even some anthrax -- you will wish to God we had hunted them down and killed THEM while we had the chance. Stop bitchin' about your damn Health Care, Social Security, Gas prices, and your measly 4.4% unemployment rate...and start worrying about you, and your family's, and your friends' asses. How many more Americans must be beheaded before you stop blaming Bush for all your troubles -- You've fallen asleep AGAIN, maggots! And you may not get another chance! NOW GET OFF YOUR SORRY ASS - and pass this on to any and every person you give-a-damn about.. if you ever gave a damn about anything!!! |
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12 Sep 06 - 02:37 PM (#1832839) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: GUEST Spoken like the Christian you are Chuck. Keep it up. I was especially impressed that you could type in CAPITAL LETTERS. WOW. Chuck comes on all Christian when he needs prayers for his loved ones. Looking at his posts will yive you some idea of why his loved ones need prayers. The form of dyslexia I have makes it impossible for people who type in CAPITAL LETTERS to make any sense to me. Chuck, you have outdone yourself. May the good Lord bless and keep you. |
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12 Sep 06 - 05:01 PM (#1832927) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Barry Finn You Tarheel are a prime example of why we are where we are today. You know nothing of Islam & know nothing of the Moslem society. As did our leaders when we needed to scapecoat someone. Extremeists are part of neither & are on the outside of these but you'd like to kill everyone different from you, without giving a minutes thought to what you're reacting to. You see the world as those in power would like you to & react to it, again, in the same way that they'd like you to. Yes there are evil folks & groups in this world but you fall to look in the mirror & recognize them. You are no different than those that danced in the streets when the towers came down, uninformed & ignorant. Barry |
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12 Sep 06 - 05:22 PM (#1832942) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: GUEST Also, Chuck steals stuff from the internet and posts it so people think it is his writing. That poorly-written diatribe he posted is all over the internet. He's likely a bit paranoid and certainly a bit crazy, so go easy on him. |
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12 Sep 06 - 05:26 PM (#1832945) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy Who said: "Kill them all and let God sort them out"? It originated from the qoute "Kill them all. God will know his own." |
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12 Sep 06 - 06:04 PM (#1832984) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: GUEST Arnaud-Amaury, the Abbot of Citeaux. He said "Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet." ("Kill them all. God will know his own.") That is from the www. |
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12 Sep 06 - 06:06 PM (#1832986) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Paul from Hull Bloody Hell, Tarheel, you DO like to stir it dont you! |
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12 Sep 06 - 06:08 PM (#1832990) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: GUEST From elsewhere: 'The phrase, "Kill them all and let God sort them out," is attributed to Dominic Guzman. He's the founder of the Dominican order of priests. He and an armed troop of heretic hunters had come across a town that was supposed to contain a number of heretics. Guzman gave orders to kill everyone in town. When one of his subordinates told him that there were probably a lot of good Christians mixed up with the heretics what Guzman actually said was, "Kill them all and God will know his own."' Bunch of damned plagiarists. The only credit they deserve is for recognizing a good line when they heard it. |
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12 Sep 06 - 09:41 PM (#1833143) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: dianavan Tarheel - Is this the reason the U.S. invaded Iraq? Seems to me the goal was to overthrow a 'bad' regime and replace it with Iraqis who would be capable of creating a democratic country. What happened? Your post is an admission of failure and defeat. Who's crying now? |
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12 Sep 06 - 09:48 PM (#1833152) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Ebbie Rex, it was meant as a barb- I was hoping the dirtyheel would back off a bit. He has complained in the past that we all jump down his throat whenever he writes and he doesn't seem to have a clue as to why that is true- I suspect he is a prime example of someone with whom there's no point in arguing. |
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13 Sep 06 - 10:17 AM (#1833506) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Lepus Rex GUEST: The wonders of modern pharmaceuticals... Ebbie: Ah, got it. :) ---Lepus Rex Folks, the personal attack posts that contributed nothing to the discussion have been deleted. Tarheel initiated this, but I have also deleted those that responded with namecalling or personal attack. Please keep the discussion on the topic, and remember that personal attacks are not allowed. Mudelf. |
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13 Sep 06 - 11:01 AM (#1833537) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Lepus Rex And... now the thread makes absolutely no fucking sense. Delete posts, but leave comments responding to or correcting those posts? Genius, "Mudelf," genius. New at this? :P ---Lepus Rex Good point, LR. Thread fixed. Mudelf. |
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13 Sep 06 - 11:52 AM (#1833564) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy I saw a cartoon where Saddam was sitting in the witness chair with a judge looking on. He said "A few bad apples were responsible for the torture" I thought it was funny as hell even though I dont agree with the analogy. |
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13 Sep 06 - 12:05 PM (#1833571) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Paul Burke The US is still totally responsible for AG. They are your allies (pronounced puppets), installed entirely by you and totally dependent on American tolerance for their continuation. You can't worm out and say it's someone else's responsibility, any more than the Germans could claim that their Hungarian puppets in WWII were acting independently. It's still an American war crime. |
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13 Sep 06 - 12:14 PM (#1833581) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Big Mick Paul, I am sure it was just an oversight on your part to not include the abuse of detainees by British forces in your post as well. I agree completely with much of the criticism of US policy, but it strikes me as odd that folks often forget to add that their own government is complicit as well. Most Americans don't approve of this shit, just as most Brits don't approve of their country's policies in Iraq or the North of Ireland. It wasn't all that long ago that British Colonial policy was doing all of this and more. |
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13 Sep 06 - 12:17 PM (#1833587) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Paul Burke No, the British were never responsible for Abu Ghraib. They committed their crimes elsewhere. It's the government, the military, and individual members of those organisations, that are guilty of war crimes, not the "people". |
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13 Sep 06 - 12:20 PM (#1833589) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Big Mick Fair enough. Criticism of US actions at Abu Ghraib are certainly justified, so long as one doesn't adopt the tone that implies that somehow this is unique to us, or that your own governments are blameless. |
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13 Sep 06 - 06:45 PM (#1833882) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Lepus Rex A fairly elegant solution to one post, "Mudelf," and I'd applaud it, if only it were applied to the other missing posts. The conversation, as a whole, still doesn't make much sense. Ah, well. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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13 Sep 06 - 09:06 PM (#1833963) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: dick greenhaus Hoy damn! We're approaching our goal, which seems to be to have a strong central repressive government in Iraq, using imprisonment and torture as a means of governance. Now if we could convince the powers-that-we-wish-would-be to be secular, rather than sectarian, we could say "Mission accomplished!" (or maybe we could have saved a lot of lives and money by leaving Saddam in--that's what he provided) |
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14 Sep 06 - 12:22 AM (#1834068) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy I am thinking the SOBs need a Saddam. They can't handle freedom. |
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14 Sep 06 - 09:27 AM (#1834329) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: freda underhill they have not yet experienced freedom, OG. Their country has been trashed, their lives decimated. every day is a 9/11 somewhere in Iraq. |
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14 Sep 06 - 01:45 PM (#1834505) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy So are you saying they can or can't handle freedom? |
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14 Sep 06 - 02:41 PM (#1834537) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: freda underhill I'm not saying either of those things, OG. |
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14 Sep 06 - 02:42 PM (#1834538) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: freda underhill (are you suggesting there are no foreign forces in Iraq?) |
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15 Sep 06 - 12:37 AM (#1834947) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy Well do you think thay can handle freedom or not? Yeah, there are forces from a lot of countries in Iraq. |
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15 Sep 06 - 02:37 AM (#1834985) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Amergin We will see whether or not they can handle freedom once the imperialistic forces are extracted Iraq, much like we will see if you can think on your own once your head finally is extracted from your posterior. |
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15 Sep 06 - 03:37 AM (#1835002) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: dianavan I'd say they could certainly handle freedom from oppression and right now it is the U.S. and the new Iraqi govt. who are the oppressors. It used to be Saddam. Was it worth it? |
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15 Sep 06 - 02:08 PM (#1835438) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy Were you worth it? |
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15 Sep 06 - 09:14 PM (#1835707) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: dianavan I am not the subject of this thread. The question I want answered is whether or not you think the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was worth it. |
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15 Sep 06 - 11:27 PM (#1835755) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: GUEST Worth it to whom? Halliburton has made a fortune. So has Cheney's friends. Probably Bush's friends. In their eyes, it's worth it. They didn't send their kids to die. They sent someone else's kid to die. It is ever thus. |
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16 Sep 06 - 12:30 AM (#1835778) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy The thread is not about the EVIL US LEAD INVASION either. |
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16 Sep 06 - 02:21 AM (#1835809) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Barry Finn No, it's about Abu Ghraib & why were we running their prisons in the 1st place, anyway???? Boy, is that a loaded question, what were we thinking? And why did we set the new rules & put them in place???? Don't tell me it was "done & run" by the bottom tier terror-able tactful tacticians. And why are we leaving those that we've placed & hand picked in this new situation in charge of those that we hand pick & placed in incarceration anyway. We've hand picked both the keepers & the kept & now we're tossing into this mix the old scum with the new slime?? Figures, we must've been really thinking hard on this one. Or do we just not give a f&%k? Do it & get out, a "shoot from the hip & fix it later" strategy,,,,AGAIN,,,,,as usual. Let's start a war,,,,, we'll sell it & fix it later. What a bunch of bastards. Barry |
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16 Sep 06 - 08:45 AM (#1835931) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Ron Davies Dianavan's question is a good one. I'd be curious to hear Old's answer--he's real good at dodging--not quite so good in coherent replies. So--was the Iraq war worth it or not--and if so, why? |
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17 Sep 06 - 12:54 AM (#1836430) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy No it was not worth it. Now I want Dianavan to answer my question: Dianavan said: "U.S./Britain/Israel resume diplomatic relations and begin to address their concerns." Now address these concerns Dianavan: "We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no blood better than the blood of Jews." "We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood." "We will destroy you, blow you up, take revenge against you, purify the land of you, pigs that have defiled our country This operation is revenge against the sons of monkeys and pigs." "Jihad is the only way to liberate Palestine -- all of Palestine -- from the impurity of the Jews." |
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17 Sep 06 - 10:18 AM (#1836623) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Ron Davies Old Guy-- Thanks for that direct reply. I've fallen off my chair. |
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17 Sep 06 - 11:57 PM (#1837120) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy So where is Dianavan's answer to my question? |
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18 Sep 06 - 12:35 AM (#1837131) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: dianavan Address your own concerns. Why would I even want to think twice about what an extreme, religious fundamentalist has to say? What do your quotes have to do with this thread? Are you suggesting that the prisoners at Abu Ghraib are guilty of such words or actions? From what I understand, many are common criminals and most have never had legal representation, let alone a trial. Do us all a favour and stay focussed. |
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18 Sep 06 - 01:11 PM (#1837522) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy Dianavan: It has nothing to do with Abu Ghraib. You did not answer the question in the proper thread. You ignored it in other threads. Which thread should I ask it in so you will give an answer? You state that the U.S./Britain/Israel should resume diplomatic relations and begin to address the concerns of a party that is clearly bloodthirsty. Please expalin how this concern can be addressed. If you don't know how it can be addressed, why are you saying that it should be addressed? "Why would I even want to think twice about what an extreme, religious fundamentalist has to say?" You say U.S./Britain/Israel should but you don't want to even think about it. Why not? |
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18 Sep 06 - 08:13 PM (#1837846) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: GUEST The sound of one hand clapping makes a loud silence. |
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19 Sep 06 - 12:24 AM (#1837971) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy She will go to some other thread and post some new naive statement. When someone gets her cornered, she will just go somewhere else. At least that has a certain amount of honesty to it compared to someone that fights on and gets nasty. |
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19 Sep 06 - 12:27 AM (#1837973) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: dianavan If I were a diplomat, I would want to know why 'they are so bloodthirsty' and start negotiating to decrease their thirst. Thats what diplomats are paid to do. |
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19 Sep 06 - 01:20 AM (#1838004) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy So it is up to diplomats to do your bidding? How would you open the negotiations? Who would you negotiate with? The PA and Hamas can't even negotiate with each other. |
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19 Sep 06 - 02:59 AM (#1838029) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: dianavan Well then, I would negotiate first with Hamas and then with the PA or vice versa. Like I said, its not my job. What's a diplomat for anyway? Why do we have them if they can't find diplomatic channels? Diplomats cost a lot of money. |
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19 Sep 06 - 09:54 PM (#1838760) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy A diplomat's job is to negotiate with other diplomats. Who are the PLO and Hamas diplomats? They are the rocket launchers and suicide bombers. Who do you send to negotiate with them? Armed soldiers, that's who. That's their job. Now please read this and let me know what you think of it. It is very informative. It illustrates why I am wondering if the Iraqis can handle democracy.: Democracy vs terrorism ...There is a naive assumption that if local grievances or problems are solved, global terrorism will disappear. The belief or the hope that, if tomorrow, in Palestine, or Kashmir or Chechnya or wherever else, the issues were settled, terrorism will disappear, is a mistaken belief. There is now enough free-floating violence and vested interests that would need this violence to continue. There has been a multifaceted nexus between narcotics, illicit arms smuggling and human trafficking, that seeks the continuance of violence and disorder... P.S. The reason I make those hated cut and pastes is because links go bad after a while but If I paste the information in, it will stay there. |
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20 Sep 06 - 01:50 AM (#1838839) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: dianavan "I am wondering if the Iraqis can handle democracy." I voiced a similar sentiment when Bush decided to invade and Bush apologists and others shouted me down. The fact is, education is necessary to truly understand the meaning of democracy and the responsibilities that go with it. We also know that democracy cannot be imposed. Thats why (as mean and nasty as Saddam is) he was, at least, able to maintain some kind of order. I do not applaud his methods (I think he and his son's are disgusting) but its up to the people to make the necessary changes, not an outside force. It just doesn't work. All we have done is encouraged more terrorism for messing up their lives. What have we accomplished. Absolutely nothing. Its time the U.S. learned to mind their own business. What's happening in Iraq and the U.S. today has nothing to do with democracy and we are all responsible. |
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20 Sep 06 - 02:30 AM (#1838851) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Barry Finn Handle freedom, they've been set up to fail. The worst thing that we could've started is a Civil War. Guess what, we started a Civil War & we were gonna bring freedom to them. HAHA, what in the world were we thinking? We weren't! If we're not careful & thoughtful & stay silent about what's happening on our won home front we could be growing our own home grown terrorist as fast as the middle east is growing theirs. I guess we're not all that different, just change the names & you soon may not be able to tell us apart. Maybe Canada will invade us & save US from ourselves. No way that'd be real foolish of them, they could just step in after we've made a mess of our selves & pick up the pieces for themselves, mind you, if they at all wanted any of the pieces. Barry |
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20 Sep 06 - 04:36 AM (#1838916) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: ard mhacha What a wise and learned President you have, Bush addressing the UN yesterday said that he admired the rich history and vibrant culure of the people of Iran. Are we to believe this, it is fairly certain that someone would have had to point out Iran on the map for George, who writes these speeches?. |
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20 Sep 06 - 08:47 AM (#1839073) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Paul Burke Well Old Guy, if there's a war and you'd like it to stop, do you negociate with someone who is fighting the war, or someone (say Iceland) who have nothing to do with it? You say "Who do you send to negotiate with them? Armed soldiers, that's who. That's their job." You tried that (remember?) and appear to be coming out on the losing side.The Israelis tried it too, similar result. Why negociate with Hezbullah, Hamas, Al Qaeda? Because there's NO POINT in negociating with anyone else. Because we can't destroy them, and there's no point in merely harming them. And if we did destroy them, it would probably only make things worse. Remember Al Fatah? I bet you wish you could turn back the clock now, and talk to them instead of Hamas. |
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20 Sep 06 - 10:24 AM (#1839141) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Donuel 2003 200,000 refugees flee Iraq 2004 500,000 refugees flee Iraq 2005 800,000 refugees flee Iraq 2006 expected to be over 1,000,000 Those leaving are the more educated affluent and core of a civilized Iraq. Bush* has TRADED: Saddam torture for US torture, pre emptive invasion for "liberty", social order for civil war, museums for looting, An Iraq-Iran war for our war ( that he said he didn't ask for) , HE HAS TRADED blood for oil. Except they can't keep the oil flowing. *more accurately the MIC under the direction of Cheney and Rumsfeld. |
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20 Sep 06 - 11:45 AM (#1839210) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: bobad How do you negociate wth this? Expert provides Al-Qaeda's timeline This should put a dent in the short-sighted assertions we get from the left that Islamic terrorism is all our fault. Expert provides Al-Qaeda's timeline Donna Jacobs, The Ottawa Citizen Published: Monday, September 18, 2006 In an article published in the current International Journal of Intelligence and Counterintelligence, Carleton University security expert Martin Rudner presents an Islamic terrorist timeline for the next 20 years. On al-Qaeda's conquest calendar, the beginning of "total war on non-believers" begins seven years from now. And it ends with Islamic victory in 2020. Ask Mr. Rudner, director of Carleton's Canadian Centre of Intelligence and Security Studies, how he assesses this declared march to world domination. "I take it very seriously," he says. "Obviously." So, too, does Jordanian journalist Fouad Hussein, who publicized the timeline based on his talks and correspondence with al-Qaeda members. "Al-Qaeda makes no compromises," says Mr. Hussein. He published his findings in the book al-Zarqawi -- al-Qaida's Second Generation a year before Mr. al-Zarqawi's death in June in a U.S. air strike in Iraq. Al-Qaeda's seven-stage plan: Stage 1: Awakening. Strategic time line: Sept. 11, 2001. Tactical Objective: Provoke U.S. attack on Muslims, galvanize jihadism. Stage 2: Opening Eyes. Time: 2003-2006. Objective: Force West on defensive. Stage 3: Arising and Standing Up. Time: 2007-2010. Objective: Assault on Turkey and Israel. Stage 4: Downfall of Apostate Muslim regimes. Time: 2010-2013. Objective: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, oil producers. Stage 5: Declaration of Caliphate. Time: 2013-2016. Objective: Mobilization of Muslim forces. Stage 6: Total Confrontation. Time: 2013-2020. Tactic: Total war on non-believers by 1.5 billion Muslims. Stage 7: Definite Victory. Time: 2020. Objective: A Muslim world. http://doing-it-wrong.blogspot.com/2006/09/expert-provides-al-qaedas-timeline.html |
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20 Sep 06 - 08:13 PM (#1839624) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Donuel Stage 4 or 5 sounds like the time the West will fail to keep their finger off the button. It also coincides with the end of the Mayan calender for man on Earth, 2012. |
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20 Sep 06 - 08:27 PM (#1839634) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: pdq Damn! That year 2012 is when the Democrats predict they will win back the Senate. |
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20 Sep 06 - 11:19 PM (#1839696) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy "Remember Al Fatah? I bet you wish you could turn back the clock now, and talk to them instead of Hamas." Al Fatah was founded by Yasser Arafat. He was the head of that terrorist organisation as well as the other palestinian terrorist organization. Arafat has been negotiated with several times. Nothing came from the negotiations because it is useless to negotiate with terrorists: -1948: Arafat runs arms to Palestine, studies guerrilla tactics. -1952: Arafat joins Muslim brotherhood. 1956: Arafat graduates with an engineering degree from University of Faud I in Cairo, and starts his own contracting company in Kuwait and forms a movement to reclaim Palestine for Palestinians. 1958-59: Arafat founds al-Fatah with Abu Jihad (Khalis al-Wazir). 1964: Arafat leaves Kuwait for Jordan. Arab League sponsors the founding of Palestine Liberation Organization. The PLO is created as an umbrella for a number of Palestinian factions engaging in guerrilla warfare against Israel. – Jan. 1, 1965: Fatah fails in its first attempted attack within Israel — the bombing of the National Water Carrier. – July 5, 1965: A Fatah cell plants explosives at Mitzpe Massua, near Beit Guvrin; and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kafr Battir. – 1965-1967: Numerous Fatah bomb attacks target Israeli villages, water pipes, railroads. Homes are destroyed and Israelis are killed. – July 1968: Fatah joins and becomes the dominant member of the PLO, an umbrella organization of Palestinian terrorist groups. – Feb. 4, 1969: Arafat is appointed Chairman of the Executive Committee of the PLO – Feb. 21, 1970: SwissAir flight 330, bound for Tel Aviv, is bombed in mid-flight by PFLP, a PLO member group. 47 people are killed. – May 8, 1970: PLO terrorists attack an Israeli schoolbus with bazooka fire, killing nine pupils and three teachers from Moshav Avivim – Sept. 6, 1970: TWA, Pan-Am, and BOAC airplanes are hijacked by PLO terrorists. – September 1970: Jordanian forces battle the PLO terrorist organization, driving its members out of Jordan after the group's violent activity threatens to destabilize the kingdom. The terrorists flee to Lebanon. This period in PLO history is called "Black September." – May 1972: PFLP, part of the PLO, dispatches members of the Japanese Red Army to attack Lod Airport in Tel Aviv, killing 27 people. – Sept. 5, 1972: Munich Massacre —11 Israeli athletes are murdered at the Munich Olympics by a group calling themselves "Black September,"said to be an arm of Fatah, operating under Arafat's direct command. – March 1, 1973: Palestinian terrorists take over Saudi embassy in Khartoum. The next day, two Americans –including the United States' ambassador to Sudan, Cleo Noel – and a Belgian were shot and killed. James J. Welsh, an analyst for the National Security Agency from 1969 through 1974, charged Arafat with direct complicity in these murders. - April 11, 1974: 11 people are killed by Palestinian terrorists who attack apartment building in Kiryat Shmona. – May 15, 1974: PLO terrorists infiltrating from Lebanon hold children hostage in Ma'alot school. 26 people, 21 of them children, are killed. – June 9, 1974: Palestinian National Council adopts "Phased Plan," which calls for the establishment of a Palestinian state on any territory evacuated by Israel, to be used as a base of operations for destroying the whole of Israel. The PLO reaffirms its rejection of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which calls for a "just and lasting peace" and the "right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force." – November 1974: PLO takes responsibility for the PDFLP's Beit She'an murders in which 4 Israelis are killed. – Nov. 13, 1974: Arafat, wearing a holster (he had to leave his gun at the entrance), addresses the U.N. General Assembly. – March 1975: Members of Fatah attack the Tel Aviv seafront and take hostages in the Savoy hotel. Three soldiers, three civilians and seven terrorists are killed. – March 1978: Coastal Road Massacre —Fatah terrorists take over a bus on the Haifa-Tel Aviv highway and kill 21 Israelis. – 1982: Having created a terrorist mini-state in Lebanon destabilizing that nation, PLO is expelled as a result of Israel's response to incessant PLO missile attacks against northern Israeli communities. Arafat relocates to Tunis. – Oct. 7, 1985: Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro is hijacked by Palestinian terrorists. Wheelchair-bound elderly man, Leon Klinghoffer, was shot and thrown overboard. Intelligence reports note that instructions originated from Arafat's headquarters in Tunis. – Dec. 12, 1988: Arafat claims to accept Israel's right to exist. – September 1993: Arafat shakes hands with Israeli Prime Minister Rabin, inaugurating the Oslo Accords. Arafat pledges to stop incitement and terror, and to foster co-existence with Israel, but fails to comply. Throughout the years of negotiations, aside from passing, token efforts, Arafat does nothing to stop Hamas, PFLP, and Islamic Jihad from carrying out thousands of terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. With Arafat's encouragement and financial support, groups directly under Arafat's command, such as the Tanzim and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, also carry out terror attacks. – Oct. 21, 1996: Speaking at a rally near Bethlehem, Arafat said "We know only one word - jihad. jihad, jihad, jihad. Whoever does not like it can drink from the Dead Sea or from the Sea of Gaza." (Yediot Ahronot, October 23, 1996) 1998: Wye River [USA] Accords: Netanyahu and Arafat sign land-for-peace deal. Deal includes a transfer of some of the West Bank to the Palestinians, safe passage corridors for Palestinians between Gaza and the West Bank, and a crackdown on terrorism. – April 16, 1998: In a statement published in the official Palestinian Authority newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadeeda, Arafat is quoted: "O my dear ones on the occupied lands, relatives and friends throughout Palestine and the diaspora, my colleagues in struggle and in arms, my colleagues in struggle and in jihad...Intensify the revolution and the blessed intifada...We must burn the ground under the feet of the invaders." -April 19, 1998Netanyahu said "I am prepared ... in the next month to go to any location, possibly to London, to try and advance the process," after a meeting with Tony Blair. – July 2000: Camp David [USA] Arafat rejects peace settlement offered by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, which would have led to a Palestinian state. – September 2000: New "intifada" is launched. Arafat continues to incite, support and fund terrorism. - 2001: Taba Summit in Egypt between Israel and the Palestinian Authority were peace talks aimed at reaching the "final status" negotiations to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The summit came closer to reaching a final settlement than any previous or subsequent peace talks yet ultimately failed to achieve its goals. – Jan. 3, 2002: Israelis intercept the Karine-A, a ship loaded with 50 tons of mortars, rocket launchers, anti-tank mines and other weapons intended for the Palestinian war against the Israelis. The captain admits he was under the command of the Palestinian Authority. – September 2003: IMF report titled "Economic Performance and Reforms under Conflict Conditions," states that Arafat has diverted $900 million of public PA funds into his own accounts from 1995 - 2000. Below are some of the attacks since Sept 2000 perpetrated by groups under Arafat's command: – May 29, 2001: Gilad Zar, an Itamar resident, was shot dead in a terrorist ambush by Fatah Tanzim. – May 29, 2001: Sara Blaustein, 53, and Esther Alvan, 20, of Efrat, were killed in a drive-by shooting south of Jerusalem. The Fatah Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack. – June 18, 2001: Doron Zisserman, 38, shot and killed in his car by Fatah sniper fire. – Aug 26, 2001: Dov Rosman, 58, killed in a shooting attack by Fatah terrorist. – Sept 6, 2001: Erez Merhavi, 23, killed in a Fatah Tanzim ambush shooting near Hadera while driving to a wedding. – Sept 20, 2001: Sarit Amrani, 26, killed by Fatah terrorist snipers as she was traveling in a car with her husband and 3 children. – Oct 4, 2001: 3 killed, 13 wounded, when a Fatah terrorist, dressed as an Israeli paratrooper, opened fire on Israeli civilians waiting at the central bus station in Afula. – Nov 27, 2001 - 2 killed 50 injured when two Palestinian terrorists opened fire with Kalashnikov assault rifles on a crowd of people near the central bus station in Afula. Fatah and the Islamic Jihad claimed joint responsibility. – Nov 29, 2001: 3 killed and 9 wounded in a suicide bombing on an Egged 823 bus en route from Nazereth to Tel Aviv near the city of Hadera. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack. – Dec 12, 2001 - 11 killed and 30 wounded when three terrorists attacked a bus and several passenger cars with a roadside bomb, anti-tank grenades, and light arms fire near the entrance to Emmanuel in Samaria . Both Fatah and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. – Jan 15, 2002: Avi Boaz, 71, an American citizen, was kidnapped at a PA security checkpoint in Beit Jala. His bullet-riddled body was found in a car near Bethlehem. The Fatah's Al-Aksa Brigade claimed responsibility for the murder. – Jan 15, 2002: Yoela Chen, 45, was shot dead by an Al Aqsa Brigade terrorist – Jan 17, 2002: 6 killed, 35 wounded when a Fatah terrorist burst into a bat mitzva reception in a banquet hall in Hadera opening fire with an M-16 assault rifle. – Jan 22, 2002: 2 killed, 40 injured when a Fatah terrorist opened fire with an M-16 assault rifle near a bus stop in downtown Jerusalem. – Jan. 27, 2002: One person was killed and more than 150 were wounded by a female Fatah suicide bomber in the center of Jerusalem. – Feb 6, 2002 - A mother and her 11 year old daughter were murdered in their home by a Palestinian terrorist disguised in an IDF uniform. Both Fatah and Hamas claimed responsibility. – Feb 18, 2002 : - Ahuva Amergi, 30, was killed and a 60-year old man was injured when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire on her car. Maj. Mor Elraz, 25, and St.-Sgt. Amir Mansouri, 21, who came to their assistance, were killed while trying to intercept the terrorist. The terrorist was killed when the explosives he was carrying were detonated. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack. – Feb 22, 2002: Valery Ahmir, 59, was killed by terrorists in a Fatah drive-by shooting north of Jerusalem as he returned home from work. – Feb 25, 2002: Avraham Fish, 65, and Aharon Gorov, 46, were killed in a Fatah terrorist shooting attack south of Bethlehem. Fish's daughter, 9 months pregnant, was seriously injured but delivered a baby girl. – Feb 25, 2002: Police officer 1st Sgt. Galit Arbiv, 21, died after being fatally shot, when a Fatah terrorist opened fire at a bus stop in the Neve Ya'akov residential neighbhorhood in northern Jerusalem. Eight others were injured. – Feb 27, 2002: Gad Rejwan, 34, of Jerusalem, was shot and killed by one of his Palestinian employees in a factory north of Jerusalem. Two Fatah groups issued a joint statement taking responsibility for the murder. – March 2, 2002: A suicide bombing by Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighborhood of Jerusalem killed 11 people and injured more than 50. – Mar 5, 2002: 3 were killed and over 30 people were wounded in Tel-Aviv when a Fatah terrorist opened fire on two adjacent restaurants shortly after 2:00 AM. – Mar 5, 2002: Devorah Friedman, 45, of Efrat, was killed and her husband injured in a Fatah shooting attack on the Bethlehem bypass "tunnel road", south of Jerusalem. – Mar 9, 2002: Avia Malka, 9 months, and Israel Yihye, 27, were killed and about 50 people were injured when two Fatah terrorists opened fire and threw grenades at cars and pedestrians in the coastal city of Netanya on Saturday evening, close to the city's boardwalk and hotels. –March 21, 2002: An Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bomber exploded himself in a crowd of shoppers in Jerusalem, killing 3 and injuring 86. – March 29, 2002: Two killed and 28 injured when a female Fatah suicide bomber blew herself up in a Jerusalem supermarket. – March 30, 2002: One killed and 30 injured in an Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bombing in Tel Aviv. – April 12, 2002: Six killed and 104 wounded when a female Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bomber blew herself up at a bus stop on Jaffa road at the entrance to Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda open-air market. – May 27, 2002: Ruth Peled, 56, of Herzliya and her infant granddaughter, aged 14 months, were killed and 37 people were injured when a Fatah suicide bomber detonated himself near an ice cream parlor outside a shopping mall in Petah Tikva. – May 28, 2002 - Albert Maloul, 50, of Jerusalem, was killed when shots were fired by Fatah terrorists at the car in which he was traveling south on the Ramallah bypass road. – May 28, 2002 - Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade terrorists killed Netanel Riachi, 17, Gilad Stiglitz, 14, and Avraham Siton, 17, three yeshiva high school students playing basketball. – June 19, 2002: Seven people were killed and 37 injured when a Fatah suicide bomber blew himself up at a crowded bus stop and hitchhiking post in the French Hill neighborhood of Jerusalem. – June 20, 2002: Rachel Shabo, 40, and three of her sons - Neria, 16, Zvika, 12, and Avishai, 5 - as well as a neighbor, Yosef Twito, 31, who came to their aid, were murdered when a terrorist entered their home in Itamar, south of Nablus, and opened fire. Two other children were injured, as well as two soldiers. The PFLP and the Fatah Al Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack. – July 25, 2002: Rabbi Elimelech Shapira, 43, was killed in a Fatah shooting attack near the West Bank community of Alei Zahav. – July 26, 2002: St.-Sgt. Elazar Lebovitch, 21, of Hebron; Rabbi Yosef Dikstein, 45, of Psagot, his wife Hannah, 42, and their 9-year-old son Shuv'el Zion were killed in a Fatah Al Aqsa Brigade shooting attack south of Hebron. Two other of their children were injured. – July 30, 2002: Shlomo Odesser, 60, and his brother Mordechai, 52, both of Tapuach in Samaria, were shot and killed when their truck came under Fatah fire in the West Bank village of Jama'in. – Aug 4, 2002: 2 killed and 17 wounded when a Fatah terrorist opened fire with a pistol near the Damascus Gate of Jerusalem's Old City. – Aug 5, 2002: Avi Wolanski (29) and his wife Avital (27), of Eli, were killed and one of their children, aged 3, was injured when terrorists opened fire on their car as they were traveling on the Ramallah-Nablus road in Samaria. The Martyrs of the Palestinian Popular Army, a splinter group associated with Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility for the attack. – Aug 10, 2002: Yafit Herenstein, 31, of Moshav Mechora in the Jordan Valley, was killed and her husband, Arno, seriously wounded when a Fatah terrorist infiltrated the moshav and opened fire outside their home. – Sept 18, 2002: Yosef Ajami, 36, was killed when Fatah terrorists opened fire on his car near Mevo Dotan, north of Jenin in the West Bank. – Oct 29, 2002: Three people, including 2 fourteen year olds, were shot to death by a Fatah terrorist. - Nov 10, 2002: Revital Ohayon, 34, and her two sons, Matan, 5, and Noam, 4, as well as Yitzhak Dori, 44 - all of Kibbutz Metzer - and Tirza Damari, 42, were killed when a Fatah terrorist infiltrated the kibbutz, located east of Hadera near the Green Line, and opened fire. – Nov 28, 2002: 5 killed and 40 wounded when two Fatah terrorists opened fire and threw grenades at the Likud polling station in Beit She'an, near the central bus station, where party members were casting their votes in the Likud primary. – Apr 24, 2003 - 1 was killed and 13 were wounded in a suicide bombing outside the train station in Kfar Sava. Groups related to the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the PFLP clamied joint responsibility for the attack. – May 5, 2003 - Gideon Lichterman, 27, was killed and two other passengers, his six-year-old daughter Moriah and a reserve soldier, were seriously wounded when Fatah terrorists fired shots at their vehicle in Samaria. – May 19, 2003: 3 were killed and 70 were wounded in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Amakim Mall in Afula. The Islamic Jihad and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack. – Aug 29, 2003: Shalom Har-Melekh, 25, was killed in a Fatah shooting attack while driving northeast of Ramallah. His wife, Limor, who was seven months pregnant, sustained moderate injuries, and gave birth to a baby girl by Caesarean section. – Jan 29, 2004: 11 people were killed and over 50 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus no. 19 at the corner of Gaza and Arlozorov streets in Jerusalem. Both the Fatah-related Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. – Mar 14, 2004: 10 were killed and 16 wounded in a double suicide bombing at Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack. – May 2, 2004: Tali Hatuel, 34, and her daughters - Hila, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7, and Merav, 2 - of Katif in the Gaza Strip were killed when two Palestinian terrorists fired on an Israeli car at the entrance to the Gaza Strip settlement bloc of Gush Katif. Fatah and Islamic Jihad claimed joint responsibility for the attack. |
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21 Sep 06 - 12:41 AM (#1839713) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: DougR I can't confirm this but I heard somewhere that Abu Gharaib is not under Wal-Mart management. Anybody know anything about that? DougR |
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21 Sep 06 - 01:49 AM (#1839726) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Ebbie Now that one, DougR, was funny. |
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21 Sep 06 - 10:52 AM (#1840034) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: Old Guy Some people like to know the facts and some prefer sarcastic bullshit. |
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21 Sep 06 - 10:58 PM (#1840490) Subject: RE: BS: Abu Ghraib open under new management From: number 6 well ... it's now being confirmed (even heard it on the CBC radio tonite)that Abu Ghraib's new managment is even worse than the last 2 previous executive management committees. Yup, worse than what it was under than Saddam. What a f'n mess Iraq is. sIx |