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Taylor Guitars

27 Oct 06 - 04:31 PM (#1870252)
Subject: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle

I saw a 314ce, and was very impressed. Has anybody got one and recorded with it?

If so, I would be glad of hearing your impressions. If you think I would be better off with another model, speak up - before I get one which would probably be at the acoustic avalon in Leicester in 3 weeks time.

Your input would be appreciated. I think I've read all the other stuff on the web about them, but I'd like to hear it from a folk perspective.


27 Oct 06 - 04:40 PM (#1870257)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Wesley S

I don't care for them. But the guitar player in our group has that same model and loves it. If it speaks to you - buy it.


27 Oct 06 - 04:49 PM (#1870264)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: kendall

810. no equal.


27 Oct 06 - 05:39 PM (#1870301)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6

I have a 310. Damned good axe and well respected by fellow musicians who have played it. One comment from a guitarist who jammed with it one night, "that is one religeous guitar".

biLL


27 Oct 06 - 05:53 PM (#1870311)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: LesB

I have a 314 & I love it. Mine has not got electrics or a cutaway. I don't need either. In fact it's hard to find one without a cutaway these days.
I'm of the opinion that unless you use the dusty end a lot it's unnecesary, in fact i'm convinced that the sound on the cutaway version is never as good as the normal version. Apart from that it doesn't look as good.
Cheers
Les


27 Oct 06 - 06:04 PM (#1870319)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge

Soulless


27 Oct 06 - 08:32 PM (#1870413)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Bernie

I had a 414Ce....loud but "harsh"......traded for a 514CE....sweet and nice.......should have kept it........went back to Taylor last year,all I could afford at the time was a used 314CE....all the ones I had seen or played over the last ten years I thought were a little too bright and thin-sounding,although wonderfully playable......My 314CE is a "30th anniversary"[few extra cosmetic features which I would never pay for new].......it seems to have more "Bottom"than most,a little sweeter and rounded in tonality,somewhat similar to a D16 Martin.....perhaps they use a slightly better grade of Saepele/Mahogany ??..so,I guess it's still a bit of a crapshoot..... my wife says"one of these days you'll smarten up!.....I say "yeah,but I don't wanna'rush into it"....


27 Oct 06 - 09:04 PM (#1870428)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Mooh

Some I've heard have been wonderful, others not so. A koa model in Elderly Music a few years ago was fantastic, but a friend's (which he loves) is a piece'o'crap if I ever heard one. Beauty is in the ears of the beholder apparently.

However, they make so many of so many models that if you can't find one you like I'd be surprised. Ten years ago I was considering one but eventually decided to have a guitar made by a small shop, and I've never been happier.

Peace, Mooh.


28 Oct 06 - 04:41 AM (#1870619)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,SJ

They're highly playable, all of 'em, great action, nice neck, as good as any on the market - can't fault them on that score.

BUT (and it's a very big BUT), I've never heard a Taylor that had any life in the sound when played unplugged. They're like Tak's in that respect - great plugged in, no personality and very, very uninspiring when played unplugged.

And far, far too effin' expensive for what you get.

If you want that kind of guitar, buy a Tak and save a lot of money.


28 Oct 06 - 08:41 AM (#1870685)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: kendall

GUEST SJ, I wish you could play my Taylor. It is as close to perfect as I have ever seen in a guitar. It has everything, power, bass, strong even when capoed, and it plays like butter.
Right, Bernie?


28 Oct 06 - 10:17 AM (#1870743)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST

Collings guy here


28 Oct 06 - 10:33 AM (#1870749)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge

I don't think Taylors are bad (although I know of one very pretty and expensive birdseye maple one on which I think the intonation is distinctly suspect)- they just (mostly) seem to be a bit characterless - the thing that gives you that little shiver (the HUGE bass on Fisheye's Yamaha FG360, the rasp on Jeff RIPOHMSs Gibson J-45, the sheer punch of William Pint's Koa Goodall the simple but clean loudness of some Armstrongs) seems to be missing.


28 Oct 06 - 10:51 AM (#1870758)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6

"the thing that gives you that little shiver "

All depends on what makes you shiver.

That mystical deep south howl of Robert Johnson's Stella or his Gibson Kalamazoo ... or the sweet angelic hypnotic draw of John Renbourn's Guild-55.

I'd have to say it's not the guitar ... it's the artist that reaches down and gives ya that 'shiver'.

sIx


28 Oct 06 - 11:23 AM (#1870773)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Ray

If you're set on a Taylor all well and good but, personally, I agree with the "soulless" comment.

The Leicester show isn't the best way of buying a guitar unless you get there as the place opens on the Saturday morning - by mi-day it'll be too noisy to make an objective decision and the strings are also likely to be shot.

My advice, for what its worth, is to decide on your budget and go with your ears - and then add a bit more to the budget; you'll have to live with it.

See you at Leicester - bet Clive Caroll puts you off playing for a while!


28 Oct 06 - 02:06 PM (#1870889)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: harpmaker

We run our boiler on Taylor guitars.


28 Oct 06 - 02:32 PM (#1870904)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6

Say what ya may ... but Taylor puts out a decent guitar.

sIx


28 Oct 06 - 03:03 PM (#1870943)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Wesley S

I'll agree 6 - Taylor makes a decent guitar. Just not a great one. In my opinion. Lots of folks would disagree with my viewpoint.


28 Oct 06 - 10:31 PM (#1871035)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: michaelr

Bob Taylor just started a new line of "R. Taylor" guitars -- essentially a small luthierie but assisted by the Taylor factory's resources. Might be worth checking out.

Cheers,
Michael


29 Oct 06 - 07:00 AM (#1871237)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle

I'm not sure I can afford a REALLY good guitar.

I have been using yamaha cpx's - which are pretty good live - but they are not solid wood guitars and I should like something with a better tone for recording, plus a decent set of electrics - something at least as good as the Baggs system in the cpx15cm.

Has anybody any experience of the Taylor subsidiary Turner, which apparently works out of China?


29 Oct 06 - 07:21 AM (#1871251)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge

I think Yamaha Compass CPXs are solid tops. And the CPX 15 range is really quite expensive....


29 Oct 06 - 07:45 AM (#1871261)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard in Manchester

I have to agree with the soulless/characterless comments on Taylors. They look nicely put together, but not much seems to come out of the ones I'm acquainted with.

May I suggest, weelittledrummer, that as you're considering spending the sort of cash that would get you a Taylor, you might want to have a chat to Jonny Kinkade (www.kinkadeguitars.co.uk) before you commit.


29 Oct 06 - 07:59 AM (#1871271)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: kendall

Apparently not all Taylors are of superior quality, so I can only speak for this one. I started playing guitar when I was 16, and I have played or owned some of the best. Larrivee, Collins, Santa Cruz, Martin, Gibson, Mossman and Guild.

I don't care for the sound of any small body guitar no matter who made it.( One exception, my friend, Bernie in Moncton has a beautiful Martin. I don't know the model, but it's not a Dreadnaught) If your budget calls for an inexpensive guitar, pass over the little ones and get a full size Larrivee. Consider a used one, that's what I did. I paid $900.00 for a Taylor 810 that sold new for $2800.00.

In the end, it's just a matter of opinion, but,trying to match a plywood copy with a real instrument, remember this, No mule ever won the Kentucky Derby.


29 Oct 06 - 08:42 AM (#1871290)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny on his work 'pooter

Kendall, not really disagreeing with you - I think one guy's idea of a good sound might not be the same a another guy's? Until you bring your 810 to Gainsborough, I guess I'll take your word that it's a great sound! :-) :-)

Also, what you maybe don't know is that Taylors are VERY expensive in the UK - more so than an equivalent grade of Martin (not sure that's a beast that exists, but you know what I mean!).

WLD - I've got a nice Lowden, with a Fishman Matrix UST fitted (no on-board controls though) that I might sell at the right price and to a good home. She's played in, and she's loud and proud!
S:0)


29 Oct 06 - 09:02 AM (#1871297)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6

"Apparently not all Taylors are of superior quality"

That statement can be applied to all mass manufactured brands. Don't forget Martins, Gibsons and Taylors are mass manufactured in factories.

You can find some very exceptional sounding laminated guitars (a solid top is what really does the talking). Case in point Seagulls, and Blueridge.

A mule would not win the Kentucky Derby ... that's for sure as it is not a horse ... but there have been surprises when it comes to winners such as Seabiscuit and Secretariat.

biLL


29 Oct 06 - 09:23 AM (#1871312)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle

No I wasn't thinking of spending that much Richard in Manchester. I was hoping to get a guitar + electrics for around the 1000 -1100 mark. it would need to be bloody good to prise any more from me..
Thanks for your concern thaough - I did check his site out!

I paid £640 for a new cpx15cm with case at the avalon last year - there are always price cuts there - thats why I'm hanging on til then.

Ideally I suppose I'd like to spend 2 and a half grand on a Lowden, but I can't afford that - and it would probably be wasted on me anyway. I'm not Bert Jansch or anything like that order of technical playing excellence.

The Taylor sort of leapt up at me as a sensible compromise, when I was in the Sound Control shop in Derby. A year or two ago, I would have bought what I wanted without thinking as it was offset against tax, and i was out gigging somewhere most days. As it is I've not got much income, but I'd still like to make as good a job as I can of the next album/set of recordings.


29 Oct 06 - 09:26 AM (#1871314)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Phil Cooper

I have owned four Taylors (still have three) over the years. I've also had a couple different Sanata Cruz's, a Fylde and a Breedlove. I consider my K-14c (cedar top and koa) to be my warhorse guitar. It's got a great but subtle tone. I just wound up buying one of their new GS models (cedar and mahogony) and that has a sound that projects well at a song circle. (My significant other won't let me go string shopping with her anymore, as I picked this one up when we were jsut going for strings). I agree with most posts above that you should go by what moves you when looking for a guitar and not for just a brand name.


29 Oct 06 - 09:30 AM (#1871316)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6

You should check out the Taylor 210 and 110. These are priced quite reasonable and the ones I've tried have been very impressive.

Note: the 110 is laminated with a solid top.

biLL


29 Oct 06 - 09:44 AM (#1871322)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge

For that sort of money wld I'd either hope to pick up a second hand Fylde or maybe Atkin (going on rep here, the only one I played was nice but not spectacular) or if I got really lucky an Armstrong. Have you thought about a second-hand Martin and getting a B-band or a Headway snake put in it if it is not already bugged? Or shop for a discount Gibson J-45 if you like the Gibson sound (it DOES have soul) - my lodger got a Gibson J-45 with fishman (no controls, but preamp) in it brand new, not a factory second, real brand new for £999 under two years ago, and everyone says it is a corker.

All of them sound (IMHO, subject as stated) better unplugged than most Taylors I have heard. The Taylor plugged sound is very forward and present, but tends to sound a bit more like what a soundman thinks an acoustic guitar sounds like than an acoustic guitar really sounds like.

And, yes, in UK Taylors (except big baby, which is not a guitar) tend to be dearer than Martins or Gibsons.


29 Oct 06 - 10:03 AM (#1871332)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6

I have never liked accoustic guitars that have factory installed electronics.

biLL


29 Oct 06 - 10:38 AM (#1871365)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge

Talor 315CE a mere £1400 here at Sheehans


29 Oct 06 - 10:58 AM (#1871380)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,secular dude

Something about a Christian guitar maker making guitars for "praise and worship" makes me a little ill. Sorry, but it's true. I'd have trouble owning a Taylor, knowing that. Plus, they sound kind of thin and sucky. Tell yourselves whatever you want.


29 Oct 06 - 11:07 AM (#1871387)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge

Goodness me where do Tayor say that about themselves?


29 Oct 06 - 11:19 AM (#1871396)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Spot

Hallo everybody..

                Think I've said this before but... I bought a new 415 several years ago.It was my first inroad to expensive kit..£1200.
It was fine for 6 months (beautifully made etc) but left me waiting for it to develop a bit.It showed no sign - spruce top etc.. Unfortunately, I was deflated with it.... It turned up at a local singaround,6 months ago, was duly recognised by me and played. I was deflated again...Some 6 yrs on it sounded just the same...somehow lacking in character etc. Hmmmm.... Now the Lowden I chopped it in for... I won't go into that here..no need it's wonderful!!

                      Regards to all...Spot


29 Oct 06 - 01:43 PM (#1871501)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Ebbie

When I heard Kendall onstage with his guitar, the sound made me sit up and take notice. Maybe not all Taylors sound like that (in fact, I know a couple that do not) but if all guitars did - whooooeeee!.

And I'm a Martin person.


29 Oct 06 - 05:24 PM (#1871630)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: kendall

Thanks, Ebbie. You have an excellent ear.

Now, I don't mean to imply that only the guitars I listed deserve a good review. There are many great instruments out there that I have never played, so can't really judge.

All Taylors suck? That's laughable.


29 Oct 06 - 08:13 PM (#1871747)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Ref

I've got a 710 I won in a raffle a few years ago at Old Songs. I love the sound, but find the action a bit stiff. I'd never buy one, principally because the quality of my playing doesn't justify the expense. I've been impressed with the Seagull brand and you can get a lot of used high quality guitars for less than a Taylor would cost you new. Buy a guitar for the way it sounds and feels to YOU, not to impress anyone else.


29 Oct 06 - 09:35 PM (#1871799)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Richard Bridge

Unusual to find one with the action a bit "stiff". Usually they are easy to play, but tending to rattle, which my preferred techie ascribes to a different factory back angle from most other guitars.

Attention to the three usual variables (1) neck progression (2) saddle height and (3) nut height must in principle solve action problems unless there is an intonation or fret fault.


29 Oct 06 - 11:37 PM (#1871873)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Phil Cooper

I haven't been a fan of any guitar onboard electronics. The Taylors I've had sounded fine without them. I did finally get highlander internal mics installed and they make the guitar sound like it ought to.


30 Oct 06 - 08:39 AM (#1872123)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: breezy

I have a baby Taylor for sale inc case


30 Oct 06 - 05:37 PM (#1872499)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Ned Ludd

I'm doing a repair on a taylor big baby.... admittedly a budget model. Back hanging off....nothing to glue it back to! No linings on the top bout! I consider that to be cutting corners in a big way.


30 Oct 06 - 07:39 PM (#1872593)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: kendall

You get what you pay for.


30 Oct 06 - 09:28 PM (#1872653)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: number 6

"nothing to glue it back to! No linings on the top bout! "

Ahhh ... quit whining ya big baby!!   :)

biLL


31 Oct 06 - 03:23 AM (#1872780)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle

bloody hell! I really wasn't expecting it to be this discouraging.

I think I'll go up to the Taylor rep at Avalon and say, have you anything not too characterless, with plenty of glue inside....must have the glue - glue's important to a man like me!


31 Oct 06 - 05:13 AM (#1872825)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: breezy

mine is in mint condition.


31 Oct 06 - 07:26 AM (#1872872)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny at the Mill

"Ideally I suppose I'd like to spend 2 and a half grand on a Lowden, but I can't afford that"

Mine wouldn't cost anywhere near that Al.


31 Oct 06 - 11:50 AM (#1873078)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Ray

Forgot to mention, and seeing as no-one else has, have a look at the joint between the neck and head. Most manufacturers stopped producing separate necks/heads umpteen decades ago. Finger joints are not a particular thing of beauty - I have several on a cheap piece of Ikea furniture I bought a couple of years ago - .... and if it ever needs repair!


31 Oct 06 - 01:21 PM (#1873170)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Russ

weelittledrummer,

Just to make life more complicated.

My own experience suggests that an instrument has at least three distinctly different sounds.

The sound you hear, behind it.

The sound the audience hears, in front of it.

The sound you hear when you are listenting to a recording of it.

Probably lots more, but those are the ones I have personal experience with.

If you are buying the guitar specifically with recording in mind, you really need to hear what it sounds like in a recording.

Russ


31 Oct 06 - 02:27 PM (#1873208)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle

Yes Russ.... and what conclusions have you come to, about the recorded sound?

Johnny PM me - give me a ring. I might be really interested in your guitar. Thanks. I'm in most mornings.

al


31 Oct 06 - 04:07 PM (#1873279)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Phil Cooper

I think my Taylors have a lot of character. If you go to our website at www.coopernelsonearly.com you can hear the K 14c on most of the songs, the exception being Fare Thee Well my Dearest Dear, which has the 30th anniversary model played. I thought they recorded very well.


31 Oct 06 - 08:24 PM (#1873472)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Mooh

I've heard Phil's Taylors up close and personal and agree that they sound very good. Same with Dan Crary's. Same with Chris Proctor's. Same with Dougie Maclean's. I'm sure if I cared I could think of others.

Another friend had a nice older Taylor maple jumbo which was superb, but he gave it up for a Thompson. Nothing wrong with the Taylor, but it didn't suit the player.

Isn't it largely a matter of the right guitar in the right hands?

There are some things I don't like about some Taylors, but that doesn't make them bad, just not suited to me.

Peace, Mooh.


31 Oct 06 - 11:03 PM (#1873569)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Phil Cooper

Well said, Mooh. Actually, if we had made it up to the festival, I would have been visiting you and not being tempted to buy the newest one.


31 Oct 06 - 11:27 PM (#1873575)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,sorefingers

Have to say Taylors - like Martins etc - differ greatly one to the next.

I think of Guitar spotting at stores, in the US, somewhat similar to trying Hamburgers or Hot-Dog meals. None are ever the same and what's more, how you feel before you go in the store is going to determine what you think later. A hungry customer always likes the pudding the best!

My 10 cents, some $1400 Taylors I tried were enormous boxes, no doubt about it! One which I tried out several times - went back there over a couple of weeks full of GAS and nearly lost my savings - I would have killed to get, but nobody was interested in volunteering their body. Oh well.

This has to be kick in the ear to those who say Taylors don't have character, because I am a reformed Fender/Gibson thumper, and owner of a Martin.

I think you can't diss any brand out of hand, because you had a bad time with one of their instruments. After you play on a dozen, the general opinion is that you'll have a better idea what is good or bad about the maker.

Taylor makes some boxes that are without equal, and just like Martin you have to dig real deep in your pockets to own one.

Don't buy the label, try out first, then buy the best selection you can find. I did, and I have the meanest loudest sweetest Martin I ever heard anywhere -- took me years to chose, but when I found it I knew I just could not go home without.


31 Oct 06 - 11:44 PM (#1873581)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Mooh

Phil...Glad to be of service. That's right, don't visit, buy a new axe. Pretty good consolation, LOL! (Give the girls a hug for us all, will you?)

I think guitarists tend to have an eye out for the elusive holy grail, they also get opinionated about it but change their opinions often. When I discovered my favourite guitar, I was shopping for either a Taylor or a Martin with a cutaway and maybe pickups. Instead I ended up with a noncutaway, no pickup Beneteau. I love that thing, and even 10 years later it's still the one I take take out the most. Chance plays into these things alot.

Peace, Mooh.


01 Nov 06 - 07:21 AM (#1873735)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny at the Mill

Mooh, Dougie MacLean's given up using his Taylor (at least in public!) - he's got a Moon now!
S:0)


01 Nov 06 - 07:22 AM (#1873737)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny at the Mill

Al - I'll get back to you when I get my home 'pooter back from Dell (soon, I hope!)
S:0)


01 Nov 06 - 08:44 AM (#1873792)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Mooh

Johnny...Yeah I heard Dougie had switched guitars. As for the Moon, I've heard a few and they were all pretty nice...I've used a Moon mandolin for years now.

Peace, Mooh.


01 Nov 06 - 04:11 PM (#1874131)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Phil Cooper

I just know that the one time I specifically went looking for a brand guitar, I didn't find one. I had matched five out of six numbers in the Illinois lottery and won about $2500. I thought I'd splurge and look for a Larivee. I had heard a couple nice ones and one of the local shops was carrying them. I did not tell the owner that I was specifically looking, I just dropped in and played all the ones in the shop. None of them really spoke to me, so I didn't buy one. A month or so later Margaret was checking out bodhran cases and I looked at a Santa Cruz model H. Next thing I knew, I bought that one. I used it for about 11 years.

Hoping to make it up next August, Mooh. Will pass on your greetings to all and sundry.


18 Nov 06 - 07:59 PM (#1887995)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle

I saw one today at the Avalon but was put off buying it by the price, which I had been told would be cheaper at the Avalon, and was in fact more expensive that Sound Control down the road apiece.

Does this guitar have a compartment for the pre-amp battery. i suddennly can't remeber seeing one, and I don't want to have to try to thrust my fat hands through the sound hole - been through that movie with an early Ovation!

In fact the prices this year at Avalon were more expensive than I could get stuff most places. I was looking at a Yamaha cpx900 - which was about twenty quid more than I had seen it. all in all a wasted journey. I have a G7 capo, but I was thinking of getting one for a birthday present. they wanted over £23 which was more than I have seen it for.


19 Nov 06 - 04:15 AM (#1888144)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Strollin' Johnny

It's the unacceptable face of Capitalism Al. Get a load of people with a common interest into a big room, thrust desirables under their noses, and jack the prices up to maximise the take.

Better to go to a good local dealer and haggle. IMNSHO!
S:0)

PS - played two Sobells, a Traugott and an Olsen yesterday. Great guitars, huge prices. I feel a GAS attack coming on.............


19 Nov 06 - 04:33 AM (#1888149)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST

I wouldn't contemplate buying a good guitar in the UK. I bought my Collings from Mandolin Brothers (Staten Island) and saved a load of money, even counting the airfare (though I was over there for other reasons anyway).

Or you could try ebay - at least have a look at ebay and see what an array of stuff you could have. And if it's only available to the USA, get one of these nice Mudcat people to receive it for you and send it on.


19 Nov 06 - 05:57 AM (#1888176)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: Big Al Whittle

Well , I've got no real gripe with capitalism Johnny.

I'm just annoyed. I had seen this one in Sound Control in Derby and phoned up Sheehans, quoting the street price - and was told it would be significantly cheaper at Avalon, which I believed - having got a good deal on a Yamaha last year.

Actually -its made me look around and realise there are alternatives - the Steve Vai Ibanez, the Faith, the Crafter - all solid wood electro acoustics - fairly new to the market. all well below the price of the Taylor.

Sheehan's must be out of their tree though. Surely they realise that a large percentage of us are folk accompanists - intent on playing three chords with a certain amount of grace We are not there to gaze awestruck at those twiddling diddling fools up on stage. we only go there to buy things.

Although obviously Eric Roche, Steve Hicks and Ralph McTell made honourable exceptions to the above grossly unfair comment.


19 Nov 06 - 11:50 AM (#1888305)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Ray

Glad you saw sense and didn't buy one at Leicester - it's not the best environment to make a major purchase. Must say that I was particularly disapointed with the musical presentations this year - the pre-show blurb suggested that Clive Caroll would be playing during the day but he wasn't. The best sounding guitar I found balanced against price was a £175 Yamaha. That said, I quite fancied the baby Collings but I really can't justify an 8'th guitar! ...... perhaps a 6th mandolin but the Breedloves on show had nowhere to hang a strap.


20 Nov 06 - 11:07 AM (#1888968)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST

Taylors are the quintessential point-of-sale instrument: easy to play and responsive, producing a lively sound. Live with it awhile, or hear it beside another guitar very often, and it begins to reveal a lack of depth.

I was sold one, a 710, for a good price a few years ago, and thought myself lucky. But I've played a number of others now, Lowdens, Eastmans, and of course, Martins, which are ubiquitous. I have to admit I tired of the sound of the Taylor, and went looking for more.

A plain-jane Martin D-18 did the trick,


20 Nov 06 - 01:29 PM (#1889070)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: GUEST,Ray

Now if you want a D18, I've got one for sale and I'm only just north of Buxton - why? I've got two. Give me a shout and I'll put some new strings on it if you want to talk - no obligation, I don't actually need to sell it.


20 Nov 06 - 04:13 PM (#1889234)
Subject: RE: Taylor Guitars
From: kendall

GUEST, I had the same experience with my D 28 Martin, and my J45 Gibson. Neither could compare with the Taylor 810.
It even cured my G.A.S.