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09 Nov 06 - 06:15 AM (#1880025) Subject: Review: New Irish Stamps From: GUEST,nickr90 The Irish Post Office has issued a set of stamps celebrating our great folk groups who contributed to the spread of Irish culture. Check them out here Irish Folk Artists Stamps |
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09 Nov 06 - 06:18 AM (#1880026) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: GUEST They are sticky on both sides!! |
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09 Nov 06 - 07:34 AM (#1880048) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Geoff the Duck You'd never get the English postal service to recognise our folkies. Quack! GtD. |
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09 Nov 06 - 08:41 AM (#1880081) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: GUEST,Flatley Assuming you're wrong, Geoff, which four bands should grace such a set of English stamps? I'd suggest Waterson/Carthy, Flowers & Frolics, Muckram Wakes and Brass Monkeys. But I'm sure we'd more likely end up with Steeleye, Fairport, Albion and the Wurzels. OK, perhaps not the Wurzels. Oysters maybe.... Any thoughts, fellow flatlists? |
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09 Nov 06 - 08:42 AM (#1880082) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: GUEST,Flatley And lady flatlists too... |
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09 Nov 06 - 08:51 AM (#1880092) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Big Mick I wonder if you could do that in an English thread and not hijack the Irish thread? Will they never learn? |
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09 Nov 06 - 08:54 AM (#1880097) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: GUEST,Flatley Sorry, BM, didn't notice the sign that said "English need not reply". |
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09 Nov 06 - 09:29 AM (#1880137) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Scrump But I'm sure we'd more likely end up with Steeleye, Fairport, Albion and the Wurzels. Which lineup of these bands do you think should be shown? The Irish one shows the 'classic' 1960s Dubliners lineup, so I would suggest it should be: Steeleye: original lineup with Gay & Terry Woods, Tim Hart & Maddy Prior and Ashley Hutchings Fairport: the Liege & Lief lineup would be good, but it would be nice to include some of the later ones... hmmm, not sure about this? Albion: a nightmare decision! Wurzels: I suggest it should be Adge Cutler and the Wurzels, not the later incarnation of the group (even though they were more successful commercially). Maybe they could use the later lineup of Adge's group from just before his death, which includes Pete Budd, Tommny Banner and Tony Baylis. |
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09 Nov 06 - 09:31 AM (#1880140) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Big Mick I didn't say that, and you know it. I would be more than happy to have the English, Irish, Americans, Canadians, and anyone else, reply with regard to the subject. If you want to start a new thread on the topic of English groups that should be honored, I would be happy to participate in that. And by the way, aren't you chaps the ones that always accuse us Yanks of not understanding ironic humor?? Mick |
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09 Nov 06 - 09:43 AM (#1880154) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: mack/misophist As an ex-stamp collector, I find them unimpressive. Too bland. |
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09 Nov 06 - 09:45 AM (#1880156) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: manitas_at_work Philately will get you nowhere. |
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09 Nov 06 - 09:46 AM (#1880157) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Shaneo I heard a while ago that Ronnie Drew from The Dubliners who were honoured with a stamp for their contribution to Irish folk music has not sang a rebel song for years , but I wonder does Ronnie still take money for the record sales that have rebel songs on the C.Ds A crisis of the conscience for Ronnie ?,,,I think not. |
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09 Nov 06 - 09:47 AM (#1880158) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Big Mick I wonder at the selection of artists. One surely understands the populist appeal motive, but I would have thought Seamus Egan or Leo Rowsomme would have been on them. Planxty would have been another I thought should be there. And I agree with mack, they are bland. But I am glad they chose to do it, now they need to "tune 'em up". Mick |
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09 Nov 06 - 09:58 AM (#1880167) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: ard mhacha The stamps are far from being bland, compare them with Lizzy`s gub on the face of the Brit stamp and you are really talking bland, I agree, Planxty should have been part of this collection. |
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09 Nov 06 - 10:00 AM (#1880169) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Big Mick ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! You owe me a keyboard........hahahahahhaha. I stand corrected. LOL. Mick |
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09 Nov 06 - 12:15 PM (#1880294) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Scrump Maybe the choice of artists is not the best that everyone here could wish for, but the Irish Post Office are probably looking at the commercial market for the stamps, to collectors in the USA as well as Europe. So the Clancys and Tommy Makem, the Dubliners and Chieftains in particular would be well known to US collectors (not so sure about Altan though - are they big there? Forgive my ignorance). |
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09 Nov 06 - 12:21 PM (#1880300) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: catspaw49 It's rare that any country comes up with appropriate things to go on these commemorative stamps. In the long run, nobody is happy. I think the only time they got it right in the United States was when they put Timothy Leary's image on an airmail stamp. You stuck it on the envelope and the letter flew there by itself. Spaw |
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09 Nov 06 - 12:22 PM (#1880302) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: ard mhacha Regarding being well known, Altan would not be in the big league, they are a good group but I am sure Planxty would have a greater following. |
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09 Nov 06 - 12:25 PM (#1880310) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Den I would have had Planxty or even the Bothy's before Altan. |
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09 Nov 06 - 01:06 PM (#1880353) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: ard mhacha Couldn`t agree more Den. |
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09 Nov 06 - 01:40 PM (#1880378) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: McGrath of Harlow That link doesn't seem to work for me - nor does http://www.irishstamps.ie/ for that matter. If I was picking the people to put on them I'd have Seamus Ennis, Sean O Riada, Carolan and Frank Harte for a start. I took it this thread was really about national stamps featuring folk musicians generally, with the Irish ones as a starting point and maybe a model for how it should be done (or not - as I said I haven't been able to see the stamps yet). So suggestions for how it should be done for English stamps is relevant enough, as it would be for other countries. I know the USA have had a few, including Leadbelly, Josh White and Robert Johnson. No Pete Seeger though. |
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09 Nov 06 - 01:50 PM (#1880389) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Shaneo The Wolfe Tones have been left out again , Brian Warfield has written more folk songs than the whole lot put together. And where is Shane McGowan ,Shane has been regarded as one of the finest song writers of our time. |
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09 Nov 06 - 02:10 PM (#1880407) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Shiamsa There were similar complaints on radio discussion shows here (Dublin) that other groups should have taken precedence over Altan, eg, Planxty, Phil Linnot, Van Morrison, etc--someone did a quick survey and found that a majority had never heard of Altan. An Post might issue another set. I don't know whether this has already been mentioned on Mudcat, but Ronnie Drew has been diagnosed with throat cancer. |
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09 Nov 06 - 02:22 PM (#1880418) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: McGrath of Harlow The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem, The Dubliners, The Chieftains and Altan. Fair enough - but I think my four would have been better. Though in fact they already had O'Carolan on a stamp back in the 1980s. |
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09 Nov 06 - 02:49 PM (#1880446) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Geoff Wallis Shaneo wrote 'The Wolfe Tones have been left out again , Brian Warfield has written more folk songs than the whole lot put together. And where is Shane McGowan ,Shane has been regarded as one of the finest song writers of our time.' No, Brian Warfield hasn't written any folk songs, but just contemporary songs describing events in the past. Check the definition in any decent dictionary. Where indeed is Shane McGowan or do you mean Shane MacGowan? If you value his work so much (and I do too), you could at least spell his name correctly. I really don't know why listers are getting in a tiz about this. After all, they're only stamps. |
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09 Nov 06 - 03:07 PM (#1880464) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Big Mick IMO you are wrong, Kevin. The title is clear enough. But enough on that. Altan is well known in the States, and draws very well in the concert venues. As I said above, I think Planxty would be a given, as would Bothy. In addition to Ennis, I would have included Willie Clancy, and probably Johnny Doran. Mick |
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09 Nov 06 - 03:08 PM (#1880466) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: ard mhacha For those of you who haven`t heard Altan go to Youtube and in search type Benandonner, you will see a Programme from the Irish TV Station TG4, it features the life of Francie Mooney a great Irish songwriter. Francie who died this year is the father of two of the Altan group who perform on the show. Look out for Paul Brady singing The Lake of Ponchetrain in Gaelic, translated by Francie. |
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09 Nov 06 - 03:11 PM (#1880470) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: ard mhacha Prefix Benandonner-Francie Mooney, |
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09 Nov 06 - 03:16 PM (#1880477) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Shaneo I do not want to get into a debate about what is or is not folk/contemporary , that has been well covered in other threads. As for spelling names correctly , there is no big deal where I come from about Mc or Mac , As for the value of his work , well I valued it so much that I gave him a dig out at a session when he had no guitar player with him and I done the guitar work for him. Again Shane should have been honoured alone with the 'Tones. |
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09 Nov 06 - 03:29 PM (#1880493) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: ard mhacha A wee Thread drift also in youtube Search Margaret Barry is worth a look. |
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09 Nov 06 - 03:36 PM (#1880495) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Big Mick Ard, if you go to the Mudcat Youtube Permathread, you will see that I put the tribute to Francie (Proinsias O Maonaigh) in those links. There are a number of them. It is a brilliant tribute with Francie playing with Mairid and Gearoid, as well as others, at one point. Francie would be another of those who would be a great candidate to honor. In him, one knows Donegal fiddling at its best. God be good to him. Mick |
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09 Nov 06 - 03:55 PM (#1880511) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: ard mhacha Well done Mick, another youtube search worth a look Coguish. |
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09 Nov 06 - 05:22 PM (#1880603) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stomps From: Severn As for the complaint about Pete Seeger waiting for his US stamp, I hope it takes a long while yet. In the USA, you have to be DEAD to be honored on a stamp that is commemmorating an individual person rather than an event. So bear this in mind in the selection on any of the previous stamps honoring Folk Gospel, Rock or Pop performers. There'll still be plenty of room left for debate, mind you. |
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09 Nov 06 - 08:20 PM (#1880745) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: McGrath of Harlow Mc and Mac are the same thing. Except, for Irish names, in Irish it's more common to have it as Mac, and in English as Mc. ........................................ Here's a list of people who've been on Irish postage stamps - including a few saints. And here's' a list of people who've been on US postage stamps. No saints that I could see, at least not official ones. Quite a few musicians, including some folk people. And here's the list for the UK No folkies, unless Robert Burns is counted. And Ralph Vaughan-Williams is in there. And I quite agree, I hope it's a long time before Pete Seeger qualifies for a stamp. But Woody Guthrie ought to be in there for sure. |
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09 Nov 06 - 08:58 PM (#1880781) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Beer What a great tribute. There are so many great Irish folk singers. God Bless You All. Cheers, Beer |
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09 Nov 06 - 10:32 PM (#1880857) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Joe Richman As I recall, there was a sheet of folksinger stamps issued a few years ago here in the US. Josh White, Sonny Terry, Leadbelly and Woody Guthrie. All were deceased when the stamp was issued. For n=4, that's not a bad list. I bought a ton of Roy Acuff stamps when they came out. The picture of Roy and his fiddle was a great one. Joe |
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10 Nov 06 - 12:17 PM (#1882298) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: Wolfgang A good choice of groups already, with Planxty replacing Altan it would have been perfect for me. (Just BTW, the concept of English stamps is completly unknown to me. I always could use the stamps I bought in Scotland or Wales as well as in England. What some have posted was suggestions from an English POV for British stamps showing folk groups. May I add Battlefield Band, Corries, Tannahill Weavers and a Welsh choir to the suggestions?) Wolfgang |
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10 Nov 06 - 01:24 PM (#1882370) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Stamps From: McGrath of Harlow They do in fact make different versions of some common UK stamps for the various nations, though they are always valid in the others. The same is thecase with some coins. And Bank of Engkland notes are legal tender in Scotland. |
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10 Nov 06 - 03:01 PM (#1882446) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: greg stephens If there had to be influential groups, and only four, I would have thought Chieftains Clancy Bros Dubliners and Planxty would choose themselves. like other contributors, I find the Altan inclusion a bit odd. |
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11 Nov 06 - 01:54 PM (#1883224) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Geoff Wallis Shaneo wrote 'As for spelling names correctly , there is no big deal where I come from about Mc or Mac'. Then McGrath of Harlow chipped in with 'Mc and Mac are the same thing. Except, for Irish names, in Irish it's more common to have it as Mac, and in English as Mc.' I suggest both of you contact the Sligo musician Shane McGowan to inform him that he's really a singer from Tunbridge Wells! Seriously, there is a huge linguistic difference between 'Mc' and 'Mac' and one generally reflective of Ireland's convoluted history. |
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11 Nov 06 - 02:10 PM (#1883240) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Shaneo I just gave that fellow Shane in Sligo a call and he said he does not care a damm what you call him once you dont call him early in the morning. |
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11 Nov 06 - 03:27 PM (#1883294) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Big Al Whittle I'm sure its a dumb question, but why not Christy Moore? Of course he would be in a version of Planxty and Moving Hearts. Or did I miss him and he was there all the time? |
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12 Nov 06 - 10:23 AM (#1883739) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: GUEST http://www.b2g3.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1163285101&user=wolfetone I see that The Wolfe Tones had a stamp after all |
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12 Nov 06 - 10:26 AM (#1883741) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Shaneo The above post and link was by myself , I forgot to log-in Shaneo |
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12 Nov 06 - 10:38 AM (#1883752) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: GUEST,nickr90 Maybe Altan are there to give a very slight gender balance. The choice was always going to be controversial just look at any mudcat discussion. |
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12 Nov 06 - 10:45 AM (#1883759) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: greg stephens Geoff Wallis says there is a huge linguistic difference between Mac and Mc. It is difficult to imagine what the linguistic implication could be, of what seems to be a slight variation in the spelling of the same thing. Can you enlighten us as to what the significance might be? |
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12 Nov 06 - 11:44 AM (#1883809) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: GUEST Mc, Mac, Paddywhack, leave poor Geoff alone. |
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13 Nov 06 - 04:27 AM (#1884476) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Dave Hanson Why would they have Shane MacGowan ? he's not Irish, good a songwriter as he was, he was born in London. And Shaneo, I notice that the picture of the Dubliners includes the late Luke Kelly and Ciaran Burke, why don't you insult them as well, they can't answer you back now. Wolfe Tones, a bloody showband thats all. eric |
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13 Nov 06 - 06:40 AM (#1884518) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Shaneo I have never insulted anybody here. as for ''The Wolfe Tones'' they are one of the best bands in the world |
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13 Nov 06 - 07:18 AM (#1884545) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Dave Hanson Ronnie Drew ? eric |
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13 Nov 06 - 07:20 AM (#1884547) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Scrump Ronnie is shown on the Dubliners stamp so I guess he's covered. |
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13 Nov 06 - 08:09 AM (#1884584) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Big Al Whittle I'm not these fellers would want us licking their backsides.... |
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13 Nov 06 - 08:40 AM (#1884610) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: McGrath of Harlow "Shane MacGowan... was born in London<.I> James Connolly was born in Edinburgh. De Valera was born in New York. Spike Milligan was born in Ahmaddnagar, India. |
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13 Nov 06 - 02:13 PM (#1884858) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Geoff Wallis Shaneo writes about a band called "The Wolfe Tones" and claims that they are one of the best bands in the world. Is this band somehow different from The Wolfe Tones, long-term purveyors of rabble-rousing pap and green-tinted tearjerkers for the masses or do the quotation marks make some kind of difference? For the record, Shane MacGowan was born in Tunbridge Wells, not London. |
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13 Nov 06 - 02:29 PM (#1884868) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Shaneo Shane Patrick Lysaght MacGowan to give him his full title |
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14 Nov 06 - 04:29 AM (#1885335) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: Dave Hanson No matter where he was born or what his name is, he's still a shambling drunken idiot. And The Wolfe Tones are still an overblown Irish Shoeband. eric |
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14 Nov 06 - 07:51 AM (#1885402) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: GUEST Don`t let it worry you Eric. |
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14 Nov 06 - 04:55 PM (#1885754) Subject: RE: Review: New Irish Folk Artist Stamps From: GUEST What's an "Irish Shoeband"?? |