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12 Nov 06 - 11:02 AM (#1883772) Subject: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Mr Happy There쳌fs a number of songs popular in gatherings currently which seemingly appear to be traditionally Irish, but this is often not the case. Examples, which spring to mind, are 쳌eClare to here쳌f & 쳌eForty Shades of Green쳌f Others? |
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12 Nov 06 - 11:18 AM (#1883784) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: McMullen song for ireland (that was written by an english bloke i belive) |
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12 Nov 06 - 11:22 AM (#1883789) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Snuffy Is it the traditional or the Irish that you are querying? |
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12 Nov 06 - 11:34 AM (#1883798) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Mr Happy yes |
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12 Nov 06 - 11:35 AM (#1883801) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Snuffy Thought so |
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12 Nov 06 - 11:40 AM (#1883806) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Dave the Gnome Aren't 'I'll take you home again Kathlene' and 'Gallway Bay' non-Irish written as well? And don't get me started on Dirty Old Town! Cheers DtG |
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12 Nov 06 - 11:58 AM (#1883819) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Dave the Gnome Whoops - Just looked up Galway bay and he was Irish - But living in England as a Prison doctor! |
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12 Nov 06 - 11:58 AM (#1883820) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Mr Happy I was given a tape entitled 'Popular Irish Songs' One of the tracks was 'I Belong to Glasgow'! |
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12 Nov 06 - 12:01 PM (#1883822) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Leadfingers The Australian Composer , Percy Grainger , seems to have written qite a few Traditionazl Irish songs ! As Did Eric Bogle ! |
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12 Nov 06 - 12:28 PM (#1883852) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Mr Happy Traditionazi Irish? Heil Padraig!!! |
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12 Nov 06 - 12:39 PM (#1883869) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Brakn "appear to be traditionally Irish"..... to who? |
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12 Nov 06 - 01:07 PM (#1883894) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Little Robyn Some people here think Lakes of Ponchartrain is Irish! Anything sung by Paul Bady, The Pogues, the Clancys, Irish Rovers, Fureys, Christie Moore etc. are considered to be Irish, regardless of the song's origins. I guess some of them are as traditional as Danny Boy. Robyn |
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12 Nov 06 - 01:09 PM (#1883898) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Scrump The Galway Farmer by Steve Knightley has been wrongly thought to be traditional by a few people. (According to Steve he found a website with the lyrics to "Galway Farmer - Trad." on it, and he contacted the webmaster to point out the error, and it was changed to "Galway Farmer - Trad. Knightley", which left SK a bit bemused :-)) |
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12 Nov 06 - 02:00 PM (#1883945) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Geoff Wallis Jayz, This is a wonderful thread for the spellinge! |
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12 Nov 06 - 02:21 PM (#1883960) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: GUEST Another Traditionazi entry "Heil Glorious Saint Patrick" |
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12 Nov 06 - 02:40 PM (#1883969) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Mr Happy Hmmmmmmmmn...........there's an echo round here........! |
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12 Nov 06 - 03:42 PM (#1884039) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: GUEST,beachcomber Go on, take the p**s, why should we Irish Folklorists worry, we know that our heritage is safe now. A lot safer than some others I believe. |
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12 Nov 06 - 04:10 PM (#1884069) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: ard mhacha I agree our Irish traditional music dosen`t go back far enough, we pinched it off the Neandertahals. |
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12 Nov 06 - 05:25 PM (#1884142) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: GUEST Beachcomber wrote: "Go on, take the p**s, why should we Irish Folklorists worry, we know that our heritage is safe now. A lot safer than some others I believe". I agree with you about the music - and maybe the Irish language singing, but I don't think the same can be said of the English language repertoire which, as far as performance is concerned, is rapidly shrinking to one type and losing its narrative quality. Jim Carroll |
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12 Nov 06 - 06:42 PM (#1884214) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Leadfingers The 'Songs Sung in Ireland' books , and similar publications that do NOT credit the composers of 'popular' songs lead the un initiated to think that SO Many songs are ACTUALLY Irish regardless of their origin - Its surprising how many think Eric Bogle's No Man's Land/Green Fields of France is about the 1916 uprising !! |
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12 Nov 06 - 06:46 PM (#1884217) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Folkiedave Then there is the Ewan MacColl song about Ireland, "Shores of Erin". |
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12 Nov 06 - 07:01 PM (#1884226) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: McGrath of Harlow Then there's Danny Boy and the Wild Rover. The truth is, just about any good song is liable to gravitate to Ireland as a place where good songs are appreciated and sung and looked after. The ask for asylum and get granted it. |
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12 Nov 06 - 07:10 PM (#1884235) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Brakn It would strike me very odd if someone singing "Clare To Here" or "Forty Shades of Green" would think that they were traditional songs. I would guess that would be the last thing one their mind. |
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13 Nov 06 - 05:26 PM (#1885016) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: GUEST,beachcomber Has it occurred to people that , perhaps, some of these songs mentioned are going through the "process" ? Will some of them be traditionally sung at weddings , wakes or other social gatherings in 100 years time ? Would they then be called "traditional" songs because of their longevity and popularity ? Even though the composers names will still be known - to somebody (No royalties though)? |
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13 Nov 06 - 08:22 PM (#1885154) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Leadfingers Beachcomber - In a hundred years time , the songs will be out of copywrite , but the writers are still entitled to their share of the royalties at the moment . Do you think Ralph McTell , Eric Bogle , et al should NOT get their PRS returns ? |
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14 Nov 06 - 06:46 AM (#1885379) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: greg stephens I am delighted if the Irish give a little tender loving care to some otherwise English songs, as McGrath correctly points out. The wild Rover, an obscure English song aung by an obscure English singer, is now universally known to every English pub drunk. But that had little to do with the English folk revival, or the English respect for their traditions: it was down to the Dubliners. fair play to them. This has always struck me in the context of my own working life, too. I have managed to keep my own band going for nearly twenty years by touring in ireland. How many English folk clubs would give us a booking playing traditional English music? Three, in the last three years, as far as I can recall. The Irish are brilliant at making music of their own, and also taking very very good care of others peoples'. Heartfelt thanks. |
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14 Nov 06 - 07:53 AM (#1885403) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: GUEST Words of wisdom Greg, we will even take EU money we are not shy. |
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14 Nov 06 - 10:46 AM (#1885497) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: greg stephens So would I, please send me some if you have any spare. |
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14 Nov 06 - 11:01 AM (#1885506) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Paco Rabanne Steve Earle does a rollicking song called 'Galway Girl' is that one of his, or a trad song? |
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14 Nov 06 - 11:03 AM (#1885507) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: GUEST,Rathingle Yes I'm sure Steve wrote that |
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14 Nov 06 - 01:26 PM (#1885596) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Den That is definately a Steve Earl song apparently he spends a lot of time in Galway. I read somewhere that Galway is his favourite place to attend AA meetings. On behalf of Irish people everywhere it is mostly not our fault that songs get attributed to us. Who cares where the song originated. I have been singing a lot of these songs for years - a good song is a good song, doesn't matter where it was born. |
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14 Nov 06 - 04:02 PM (#1885718) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: sapper82 Someone once asked why the English have so little good traditional music and got the reply "Because the Irish have pinched asll the good tunes and songs." I've seen a CD of "Favourite Irish Pub Songs" with Cecily Fox-Smith's "Home Lads, Home" on it! |
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14 Nov 06 - 04:51 PM (#1885751) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: Leadfingers Credited to 'trad' sapper ?? |
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14 Nov 06 - 05:25 PM (#1885785) Subject: RE: Folklore: Irish Songs?? From: McGrath of Harlow "My old Leinster village... |