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14 Nov 06 - 06:26 PM (#1885854) Subject: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Lox The link I am about to give you gives the background, but it looks like the issue has been resurrected now that he no longer has immunity. The fugitive starring Donald rumsfeld. old link to background (2005) |
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14 Nov 06 - 06:34 PM (#1885867) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Ebbie I believe that I read that the whole thing was dropped. |
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14 Nov 06 - 06:37 PM (#1885873) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Lox The new suit includes more evidence including guantanamo bay torture. It shows Rumsfeld as having a direct role in the torture and abuse of prisoners. In one document where it was reported that a prisoner had been made to stand for 4 hours as a way of weakening him, he commented in his own written hand that he stood for a good 8 hours a day so the prisoner should have been made to stand for at least that amount of time, or words to that effect. |
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14 Nov 06 - 06:40 PM (#1885878) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Lox Was on BBC newsnight tonight as being rekindled by german human rights lawyers. No mention of individual Iraqi's making complaints, more a general war crimes indictment. I'm just waiting for it to come up on the BBC's website. |
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14 Nov 06 - 06:46 PM (#1885885) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Lox here we go click here |
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14 Nov 06 - 06:52 PM (#1885890) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: dianavan Good! He should be tried for war crimes. Maybe after he's convicted, they can go after Bush and Cheney - they will be out of office by then. |
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14 Nov 06 - 06:56 PM (#1885894) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Lox holy shit While we're on the subject By sheer coincidence (no joke) I stumbled across this in the last 2 minutes click here |
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14 Nov 06 - 07:23 PM (#1885924) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Peace How sweet it is! |
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14 Nov 06 - 07:31 PM (#1885931) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Sorcha I've known that about asparteme for years, but not about Rumsfeld. Why does it not surprise me? |
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14 Nov 06 - 07:34 PM (#1885935) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: McGrath of Harlow "now that he no longer has immunity" - any immunity that he has or had is purely a matter of power politics. Properly speaking any supposed "immunity" has never had any standing in courts outside the USA. The same goes for any other people (with the exception of a currently reigning head of state) involved in war crimes and human rights abuses, who might be under the impression that recent legislation in the USA gives them some kind of immunity from prosecution outside the confines of the USA. But of course power politics do come into it, and courts and judges are liable to cosy up with the people in power - so I think there's no need to worry when visiting, for example, the UK. But there are some other countries torturers and suchlike had be best advised to avoid. I'd hope Germany might be one of them. |
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14 Nov 06 - 07:41 PM (#1885939) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Peace Maybe the US could trade Rumsfeld for bin Laden. |
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14 Nov 06 - 07:54 PM (#1885955) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Bill D Aspartame? THAT bad?...geeze. Even cyclamates didn't get that much bad press! (and the entire ban on them is being reconsidered) I LIKE my coffee with some sweetness, and I thought I was clever to avoid sugar....now what? *grump* |
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14 Nov 06 - 08:01 PM (#1885967) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Peace How about trade Rumsfeld for Saddam Hussein? |
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14 Nov 06 - 08:04 PM (#1885970) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: jeffp If they reverse the ban on cyclamate, we may see the return of Fizzies. Bill, there's always saccharin (Sweet 'n Low). |
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14 Nov 06 - 08:12 PM (#1885977) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: number 6 Maybe Rumsfeld can be traded for some Fizzies? biLL |
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14 Nov 06 - 08:39 PM (#1885998) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Bobert Why go after Rumsey when Cheney was the one givin' the orders??? Yeah, okay, "I was just following orders" ain't much defense but let's get real here... The folks who oughtta be brought up on war criminal charges, in order of participation are: Paul Wolfowitz Richard Pearle Dick Cheney George W. Bush "The Stupid" Condi Rice Okay, Donald Duck Rumsfeld Colin "Uncle Tom" Powell Yeah, that's the way I see it... Bobert |
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14 Nov 06 - 09:00 PM (#1886010) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Sorcha Bill D, use Splenda. Look it up. |
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14 Nov 06 - 09:14 PM (#1886019) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Amos A little plain cane sugar won't hurt you, Bill. Nor will honey. A |
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15 Nov 06 - 09:10 AM (#1886077) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: GUEST Splenda (sucralose) tastes much better than aspartame too. |
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15 Nov 06 - 04:00 PM (#1886110) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: GUEST,lox Sorry folks That was my fault 2 conversations happening concurrently Oh well, you seeem to be handling it alright |
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16 Nov 06 - 01:22 AM (#1886149) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Barry Finn It'd be ironic to see him illegally transported by a midnight military flight to Germany via Syria. Barry |
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16 Nov 06 - 04:26 AM (#1886196) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: dianavan Perfect! Deport him to Syria and see if they can make him sing. |
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16 Nov 06 - 04:40 AM (#1886199) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland yes and the Blair Government |
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16 Nov 06 - 04:50 AM (#1886202) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Paul Burke Sorry to be serious dianavan but torture is wrong whoever it's done by- and whoever it's done TO. Even Rummy, even OBL, even Cliff Richard. |
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16 Nov 06 - 10:17 AM (#1886289) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Greg F. There's a huge backlog of U.S. war criminals need prosecution- they could start with Henry Kissinger & work up to the present..... |
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16 Nov 06 - 11:23 AM (#1886347) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Peace GSG9 should do a remake of "The House on Garibaldi Street." |
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16 Nov 06 - 08:39 PM (#1886566) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: dianavan Agreed, Greg. Kissinger is the prince of death. I'm sure he has been right behind Bush, Rummy, Wolfy and Cheney as a highly paid consultant. I hope they are all tried for war crimes. As long as they are allowed to get away with war crimes, war crimes will continue. |
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17 Nov 06 - 03:06 AM (#1886785) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Barry Finn & the newly seclected Gates can fit right in for his Iran-Contra ass-ins. Barry |
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17 Nov 06 - 09:59 AM (#1886898) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Greg F. There's still a miniscule hope that the Dems- if they can get over their "Gutless Wonder Party" performance of the last dozen years- will block Gates- as they should. But I'm not putting money on it. |
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17 Nov 06 - 05:03 PM (#1887146) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Barry Finn In all likelyhood Gates will make Rummy look like a gental giant the Democrates will pay dearly if he's installed. It'll be a case of going 3 steps forward & wham 2 miles & 6 six years in reverse. Barry |
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17 Nov 06 - 09:35 PM (#1887332) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: Adrianel I understand that Gates was the Reagan administration's designated supporter of Saddam in the 1980s. I don't know if he was involved in the CIA "assistance" of their chemical weapons program, though. |
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18 Nov 06 - 02:21 AM (#1887418) Subject: RE: BS: rumsfeld - war criminal From: dianavan The Dems will have to block Gates. If they don't, kiss your privacy good-bye. He is the Republican answer to changing the name of the war and the epitome of big brother. |