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02 Dec 06 - 02:18 PM (#1898437) Subject: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: 3refs It looks like it'll be up to Bob, one man, to decide who will be the next Prime Minister of Canada! Democracy, isn't it wonderful! |
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02 Dec 06 - 02:27 PM (#1898446) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: 3refs Or did Kennedy's move over to Dion seal it? Dion,from an ouside 4th to 1st? |
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02 Dec 06 - 03:13 PM (#1898467) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: dianavan Dion is exactly where he wants to be. He is very savvy. Thats good news for Canada and good news for the environment. Dion will succeed and hopefully become the next Prime Minister. |
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02 Dec 06 - 03:14 PM (#1898469) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Beer Yes....Go Dion. Beer |
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02 Dec 06 - 03:48 PM (#1898506) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: bobad I, too, hope Dion wins, I've been pulling for him from the start. |
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02 Dec 06 - 03:53 PM (#1898508) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Bee Dion over Ignatieff, definitely, please. |
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02 Dec 06 - 07:36 PM (#1898695) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Cluin Glad Ignatieff didn't win. I knew Rae wouldn't but I'm glad it was almost anybody but M.I. (I was rooting for Kennedy myself, alas) |
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02 Dec 06 - 08:14 PM (#1898717) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: gnu Ban godamn!!! The quote I liked best was, "One dour Ignatief supporter was heard loudly talking on his cell phone while Dion delivered his victory address: "Well, Harper just won a majority," the delegate barked into the phone." Welllll yeeees. It is a forgone conclusion that Stevie, if he doesn't fuck up royally, will get one more term. Especially if the lads had elected Iggy, who is as iggy as he is, or Rae, a turncoat... fact of the matter is, even as slimey a piece of shit as he is, he hasn't done anything wrong yet - that wasn't done wrong before he arrived. You just watch... after the smiling devil gets elected PM again, in will swoop Frank... cape flowing in the wind. In the meantime, our lads will die in a religious war, our dollar will flail, our.... sigh. |
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02 Dec 06 - 09:13 PM (#1898743) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: number 6 Jayzuz gnu, a little heavy on that last line ... feeling a little optimistic are we?? :) regardless ... time can only tell. I'm one who does feel Harper won't prevail. His days are numbered. biLL |
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02 Dec 06 - 10:45 PM (#1898781) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: dianavan 3refs - Looks like in Canada, Bob's the decider. C'mon, Rae was all money and more of the same, a John Turner look alike, designed to meet the voter's needs. Ignatieff was a little too Martinesque; an off-shore Canadian. This was a grass roots convention that didn't buy the glitz and the glamour. Dion has the political experience and the will of the people for a more equitable social system and a better environment. He also sees Canada as second to none. Lets hope Harper hasn't sold our collective soul to the NeoCons. With Dion at the wheel of the Liberal Party, Harper will be defeated. |
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02 Dec 06 - 10:54 PM (#1898786) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Peter T. More of the Liberal death wish surfaces. yours, Peter T. |
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03 Dec 06 - 11:19 AM (#1898847) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Mooh What's long and flaccid and hangs between Bush's legs? Harper's smirk. Well, I was wrong about Harris (Huck Farris said my lapel button for years) and Mulroney, two notorious Tory bastards of our recent history who saw re-election. Nonetheless, I predict Harper won't prevail, in spite of the west vs Quebec thing. Dion is easier to spell than that other guy's name too. That said, nothing would have been as appropriate as Dryden in Confederation's net. Peace, Mooh. |
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03 Dec 06 - 02:47 PM (#1899010) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Little Hawk The Liberals are as phony as a 7-dollar bill...but are they preferabel to the Conservatives? Probably. (sigh) And that's life in Canada. ;-) Meanwhile, we'll always have the NDP to snip at both of them from the peanut gallery, and that makes it more fun than a 2 party system could ever be. Then there's the Bloc...sitting there like a big, stinky piece of cheese with a one-note agenda...sovereignty. Ha! Ha! Ignatief deserved to lose. It is because of him that the "nation-within-a-nation" thing ever happened. Only he was foolish enough to wake the sleeping dog and cause Harper to respond defensively to protect the Conservatives, and thus propel us all once again into the insoluble tarpit of another Canadian Constitutional Crisis...and probably another damn Quebec referendum. That is one sleeping dog that should be never be woken. Ignatief woke it. What a numbskull. |
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03 Dec 06 - 03:25 PM (#1899038) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: GUEST People get the government they deserve. So what did we do to deserve Harper? |
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03 Dec 06 - 03:38 PM (#1899048) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Little Hawk Does a dog get the master he deserves? |
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03 Dec 06 - 03:42 PM (#1899050) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: GUEST If there's any truth to karma, |
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03 Dec 06 - 05:58 PM (#1899123) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Cluin No matter what master the dog gets, he puts up with him and loves him. Canadians will never get up off their fat beer-swilling, hockey-hypnotized asses and change anything in their government. Amen to the Quebec issue, LH. That one is an eternal Canadian conundrum which will never be solved. Harper sure as f__k won't be the one. Tom Axworthy was right on with his analysis of the Commons' latest stab at it. We have far more important issues to deal with right now without kicking that old wolverine awake right now. |
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03 Dec 06 - 05:59 PM (#1899126) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Cluin Right now. |
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03 Dec 06 - 06:43 PM (#1899163) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: dianavan I agree that the Liberals are a phony bunch of politicians but... with the Liberal machinery behind him, Dion will be able to defeat Harper. I also believe that Dion will bring environmental issues into the debate, not just pay lip service to it. Its the first time the leader of a major party has been committed to a sustainable economy. Whats more, he will attempt to provide more money for social and educational programs. What more do you want? |
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04 Dec 06 - 01:47 AM (#1899360) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: dianavan Isn't it funny that Canadians are interested in U.S. politics but the Americans show no interest in Canadian politics? Maybe its because ... |
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04 Dec 06 - 06:45 AM (#1899459) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Little Hawk It's because they know virtually nothing about it. ;-) Besides, they're in no danger of being taken over by Canada, so they don't get nervous every time Canada twitches. The same is not true of the USA. Everybody in the world gets nervous when the USA twitches. I would prefer Dion to Harper, Dianavan. Definitely. The Quebec issue, sadly, will never be solved by any constitutional accord...because it is an issue between 2 self-interested parties with not enough common ground or good will to come to a lasting agreement with one another. Thus, the best thing to do with it is not even bother talking about it at all, and get on with other more vital things that CAN successfully be done in this country. Ignatief raised the issue just to play party politics and put the Conservatives in a vulnerable spot. Harper responded by endorsing the "nation within a nation" idea in order to dodge the bullet that Ignatief fired, but he may end up sorry that he did. The whole country will now pay the consequences with a few more years of useless and divisive arguing over something that no one can or will ever find an acceptable answer to. Big mistake! Ignatief should have kept his mouth shut. Gwynne Dyer wrote a great article about it, but I don't think it's posted on his website yet. |
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04 Dec 06 - 07:48 PM (#1900116) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: dianavan I agree. Ignatief made a big mistake by raising the issue. He shot himself in the foot. Besides that, why does he seem so much like Kerry and Martin all rolled into one? At least there is only one Dion. |
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04 Dec 06 - 08:55 PM (#1900162) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: GUEST,Cluin Separated at birth? Stephane Dion and Rick Moranis Hmmmm... |
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04 Dec 06 - 09:35 PM (#1900176) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Little Hawk He does look like a modest fellow, doesn't he? I hope he doesn't get stuck with a "Joe Clark" sort of image. |
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04 Dec 06 - 09:56 PM (#1900188) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: bobad He is more cerebral and natural than Joe. Remember Joe asking a farmer "what is the totality of your acreage?" It'll be a nice change having a leader who is not a lawyer of from the business world. |
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04 Dec 06 - 10:13 PM (#1900196) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Little Hawk He's NOT a lawyer??????????? Good God. Are you serious? I thought they were all lawyers. |
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04 Dec 06 - 10:25 PM (#1900203) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: bobad From Wikipedia: Dion was the second of five children to Quebec academic Leon Dion, a federalist and towering figure in Quebec academia, Dion was raised in a modest home on Liegeois Boulevard in Quebec City. While growing up, he remembers being taunted for his family's secularism in a society which was then predominately Catholic.[2] As a teenager, he flirted with the sovereignty movement, campaigning for the Parti Quebecois.[3] Stephane described the experience as follows: "Because the party was there... I wanted to challenge my dad... the way to become an adult sometimes is to say the contrary to your father. Each evening, I would try out a new argument I had heard on the separatist network and my father was demolishing it... My father very quietly and very respectfully was refuting me, without insulting me."[3] Dion has said that his flirtation with the sovereignty movement ended during a five-hour, rum-and-coke & meth fueled discussion with a federalist household while he was going door-to-door for the PQ. Journalist Linda Diebel believes that his flirtation ended gradually, as he completed his university studies and embarked on an academic career in public administration.[3] After obtaining a BA and an MA in political science from Laval University, in 1977 and 1979 respectively, and a doctorate in sociology from the Institut d'Etudes Politiques de Paris (more widely known as Sciences Po), Dr. Dion taught political science at the Universite de Moncton in 1984 and the University of Montreal from 1984 to January 1996. He specialized in the study of public administration and organizational analysis and theory. |
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04 Dec 06 - 10:27 PM (#1900205) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Cluin "Dion was the second of five children..." He's one of the quints? |
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04 Dec 06 - 10:29 PM (#1900207) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: bobad It's a good thing he gave up the rum and coke and meth too - that's a bad combo. |
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05 Dec 06 - 01:08 AM (#1900248) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Little Hawk Awright!!! NOT a lawyer. Holy Toledo. We may be on the threshold of a whole new and glorious era in Canadian politics! ;-) |
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05 Dec 06 - 02:55 PM (#1900843) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Willie-O yeah, you should cut the rum with something. did you hear Layton in the legislature yesterday? He got slightly tongue-tied and said "when is the government going to stop subidizing big ass...er, big gas corporations?" I'm a card-carrying NDP member but had to give the Tory minister credit for timing, he immediately responded "We'll investigate and get to the bottom of it." I think Dion will do very well and has a good chance of winning the next election. Nothing invulnerable about Harper, assuming the Liberals have fired Martin's entire pathetic campaign team from last time. All the successful prime ministers in recent decades have been strong federalists from Quebec. (depending how you equate Mulroney and "federalist"--personally I prefer "traitor") And I am amazed at the number of pundits who seemed stunned that a so-called "dark horse" won--last time I checked 20 + 20 = 40% and the Kennedy/Dion deal was widely rumoured the whole week before the convention. Kennedy timed his pullout perfectly to give Dion a chance to build on the 3rd. Rae would never have backed Iggy, but there was a rumour that Iggy would back Rae after the 2nd, just to stop Dion. Product of a fevered imagination, but what a story that would have been. Iggy's ego--and the fact that he was still leading, though already doomed by math--stood in the way. |
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05 Dec 06 - 03:12 PM (#1900857) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: gnu Well, what I heard from Dion was... I don't owe anybody. I will do what I think is best for this country. What I heard from Rae and Iggy was... I'll put a chicken in everybody's pot and suck that cock, too. I think the delegates heard the same. |
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05 Dec 06 - 03:34 PM (#1900883) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Little Hawk Nice way of putting it... ;-) |
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06 Dec 06 - 09:45 AM (#1901508) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Beer This is not quite what this thread is about...,But then again maybe it is. Just received this as an e-mail. Beer living in Quebec but from P.E.I. living in Canada. I think. You have all heard about the new Quebec. This story tells it all: In a busy Parisian cafe, a tourist is sitting alone, enjoying a crème caramel. Another tourist approaches: Me sit here? No problem... Thank you, very nice... Are you on vacation? Me, I arrive yesterday... What country are you from? Norway. You? From Quebec. Quebec? Me not know Quebec... Quebec... near the Atlantic, next to Ontario, the Great Lakes... No, me not know these places. Never mind then, I'm from Canada... Ah! Canada! Canada I know! So why you tell me you come from Quebec? Because, my first country is Quebec! Oh, you were born in Quebec and immigrated to Canada.... No, no, I was born in Quebec and I stay in Quebec... Oh, then your father is from Canada? No, no, my father, my mother, my wife, my dog, everybody, they come from Quebec.... So why you say Canada? For Christ sake, because you say you don't know where is Quebec! OK, but if you say you not know Norway, me I not say that my country is Japan... Shit! Canada isn't Japan. Canada, it's my country. Oh, your country not Quebec anymore?... My country is Quebec. But my country, it can be Canada too, if the person I speak to not know where is Quebec, Tabarnak! Me not understand... Look, it's simple: I come from the Province of Quebec, in the country of Canada. Ok! But me not ask you what province you're from, I ask you what country. Me, I come from Lofoten region in Norway, but I answer you Norway when you ask me what country I come from... I know, I'm not stupid, Coulisse! But me, when they ask me what country I come from, I answer Quebec. Even if it's the name of my province. For me, it's my country. Oh, now I understand. You are a separatist, you want your Quebec province to be your country... Are you crazy, Hostie? I don't want to know nothing from that shit! Me, I not understand anything anymore. I tell you before, it's simple! You ask me what country I come from, I answer Quebec because Quebec is my country, but I don't really want it to be my country, it would be too much trouble. I just want to say it. So, why don't you just let me say it? Me all mix up. You have passport from what country: Quebec or Canada? CANADA, Hostie! So why you not tell me Canada right away? Because it don't feel right. For me, Canada is Anne Murray, the Calgary Stampede, the Mounted Police, SARS, it's not my home all that. Home, it's La Famille Plouffe, Saraphin Poudrier, La P'tite Vie, Falix Leclerc, La Poune, Les Canadiens de Montreal, Les Bougons... Do you understand??? Less and less... Listen, forget all that shit. Ask me another question. Ok, what town you come from? Mmm..., I don't know anymore... You not know what town you come from? Yes, yes, I know what town I come from, but my town it merge with another town, but soon it is going to demerge from the town that was supposed to be my town... Oh, that very complicated! When you write your address, what do you write? I don't know anymore. Before, I used to write Hull, but Hull changed to Gatineau, but they tell us to wait 3 years before stopping to write Hull to not mix up the mailman. But now, the Liberals they pass a law that make it ok for Gatineau to be Hull again, but I don't know if we have to wait 3 years to be able to write Hull, or when the 3 years are passed, if we have to write Gatineau for 3 years, and after we write Hull. Unless, of course, the PQ come back in power and we remerge with Gatineau, then we'll have to write Gatineau for 3 years. I leave now; I have hurt in my head... It's so simple Tabarnak: My town is Hull, my country is Quebec. But if you prefer, my town is Gatineau and my country is Canada. OK, I think I understand! It's about time. Anyway, it was fun talking to you, if you come around where I live; maybe you come and see me... OK, but where? Hull in Quebec or Gatineau in Canada? You're a pain in the ass. Forget the whole thing. That, my friends, is the portrait of Quebec! |
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06 Dec 06 - 10:26 AM (#1901523) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: bobad Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. |
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06 Dec 06 - 12:28 PM (#1901595) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: GUEST,Norval bobad: What is your source for the phrase "rum-and-coke & meth"? Both my daily newspaper and Wikapedia make no reference to METH in their articles. The said happening occured about 30 years ago. Who had even heard of meth at that point in time? |
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06 Dec 06 - 12:54 PM (#1901626) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: bobad Norval That quote came from this article in Wikipedia. They referenced it to an article written by Linda Diebel of the Toronto Star. This is the relevant paragraph from the article: "He tells an anecdote about his conversion to federalism. Going door-to-door for the PQ, he was invited in by a man, a federalist, whose wife kept bringing rum-and-cokes. "I came at 5, I left at 10 and I was completely drunk. I said to him, `Well, maybe you're right.' I don't know how I found my way home. I went to sleep right away. Since then, I've never been an activist for the separatist cause � and I never drank rum-and-coke. A double healing." As meth was not mentioned in the article it's inclusion in the Wikipedia piece is most likely the work of vandals. I have notified Wikipedia. |
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06 Dec 06 - 01:03 PM (#1901630) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: bobad As an addendum to my previous post, when I went to the article after reading your post the reference to meth was there, when I checked my link before posting it had been removed. Someone is obviously getting their jollies. BTW meth as methamphetamine or speed has been around since the 60's, crystal meth is a fairly recent formulation. |
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06 Dec 06 - 02:00 PM (#1901682) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Little Hawk LOL!!! That little tale says it all, Beer. |
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06 Dec 06 - 03:14 PM (#1901748) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: dianavan I can't quite picture Dion as a speed freak. When I read that, I thought maybe he was taking diet pills or something. That guy is so obviously straight. Wierd! I'm glad Wiki has been edited. Yeah, I liked Kennedy too, but I didn't think he had a chance against the big boys. I'm astounded that Dion (the nerdy, intellectual) was able to defeat the slicksters. Gives me hope. |
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06 Dec 06 - 03:28 PM (#1901766) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: bobad I, too, like Kennedy and think he may be a future leader if he sticks at it. It is said that Dion lacks charisma but I find his intellect and clarity of thought and the way he presents his ideas to be charismatic. I guess it depends on how you define charisma, is it that he is not considered a babe magnet? |
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06 Dec 06 - 03:41 PM (#1901778) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: Beer During the long weekend of watching what would happen, I was very pleased to hear one of the commentators say that Dion is a work horse. He sleeps very little, he reads all reports that are sent to him. Not unusual to get a call from him early in the morning (say 2 a.m.)and his people better be ready because he demands the same as what he gives. Now these are not exact quotes but close to a female minister's (I think.)comment. Beer |
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06 Dec 06 - 04:09 PM (#1901811) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: gnu 02:00h? What? Is the guy doin meth or what? |
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06 Dec 06 - 06:01 PM (#1901907) Subject: RE: BS: Liberal Leadership. Bob Rae's decision? From: dianavan bobad - I hope the Liberal machinery manages to make Dion's image a little more palatable to those who want charisma in a leader. That said, my daughter tells me that the Chinese voters in Vancouver like Dion. Maybe they are looking a little deeper than English speaking Canada. I like him, so far. I see him as committed, intelligent and politically savvy. Seems like good qualities in a leader. |
