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17 Dec 06 - 02:41 AM (#1911525) Subject: Origins: Hiawatha - By Kerry Mills? From: GUEST,Kevin Rietmann What is this tune: Hiawatha, played by Jehile Kirkhuff. He says it's by Kerry Mills in the intro but I can't find it under lists of Mills's tunes. There are Hiawatha Polka and Schottische at the American Memory site but those don't seem to be it either. I'm curious if there are words attached, too. What a beautiful little tune! It isin't "Tammany," which is in the DT. If it is a Mills tune he sure has my regards - Red Wing, The KM Barn Dance, great numbers. |
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17 Dec 06 - 10:15 AM (#1911761) Subject: RE: Origins: Hiawatha - By Kerry Mills? From: Flash Company Used to be played regularly by The Chris Barber Jazz Band as Hiawatha Rag, credited to someone called Moret. Will try to find more info. FC |
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17 Dec 06 - 10:37 AM (#1911769) Subject: RE: Origins: Hiawatha - By Kerry Mills? From: Richie Here's some info from Kuntz: HIAWATHA. American (originally), Canadian; Hornpipe or Clog. B Flat Major. Standard. AABB. It is possible this tune has some connection with the 1880 opera Hiawatha, by Edward E. Rice (music composition assisted by John J. Braham), composer of the earlier Evangeline. Rice was the Cambridge agent for the Cunard Company who attended a musical burlesque in Boston starring the popular actress Lydia Thompson, along with a bevy of scantily clad females called the British Blondes. The burlesque was but a vehicle for a rather prurient performance by the Blondes, who were the first to bare their legs and display their ample figures on stage. Rice and a friend, Cheever Goodwin, wagered they could make a better burlesque that would be free from vulgarity, and took the Longfellow poem Evangline as the basis for their first work. It was not critically well received, but after some reworking it hit a chord with the public, and was successfully run and revived for some 20 years. Rice next tried a piece cast in the same mould, Hiawatha, but it was not only a critical flop, but failed to gain popular support as well. A scene of the work was produced by the Apollo Club of Boston in 1886, for male chorus, solo and orchestra. Cole (1000 Fiddle Tunes), 1940; pg. 90. Cranford (Jerry Holland's), 1995; No. 43, pg. 13. Ryan's Mammoth Collection, 1883; pg. 124. Rounder Records, "Jerry Holland" (1976). X:1 T:Hiawatha M:C| L:1/8 R:Hornpipe S:Ryan's Mammoth Collection (1883) Z:AK/Fiddler's Companion K:B_ F2 | B(DF)B d(FA)c | B(DF)B d(FB)d | e(Ac)e f(Ac)f | ^f(Ac)f (=f=e)_ec | B(DF)B d(FA)c | B(DF)B d(FB)d | e(Ac)d (f=e)_ec |1 B2b2B2 :|2 B2b2B2 (3fga || |: bBdg bBba | g(G=B)d g(Gg)f | eEGc e(Ee)c | BfdB A(fga) | b(Bd)f b(Bb)a | g(G=B)d g(Gg)f | edcB AFEC |1 B,2B2B,2 (3fga :|2 B,2B2B,2 || |
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17 Dec 06 - 10:50 AM (#1911776) Subject: RE: Origins: Hiawatha - By Kerry Mills? From: Flash Company Found him! Listed as a composition of Neil Moret in The Composers Hall of Fame. Moret was born in Leavenworth in 1878 (Original name Charles N Daniels) and formed a music publlshing company early in the last century. He appears to have collaberated with quite a few people, including Gus Kahn on Chloe, and Harry Tobias on Sweet and Lovely. He died in 1943. FC |
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17 Dec 06 - 08:01 PM (#1912219) Subject: RE: Origins: Hiawatha - By Kerry Mills? From: GUEST,Kevin Rietmann Found it at the Levy collection. Music by Neil Moret. Words by James O'Dea. Another info page here. Same site has another page of Indian songs including From The Land of the Sky-Blue Water. Not the Hams beer song? Hiawatha hornpipe's a nifty tune as well. |
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18 Dec 06 - 07:26 AM (#1912497) Subject: RE: Origins: Hiawatha - By Kerry Mills? From: McGrath of Harlow In a moment of idle curiosity, I googled "British Blondes", and came up with this page about their leading light, Lydia Thompson. Fascinating stuff. I think it's got the makings of a great show. Here is an extract: Within nights, Lydia Thompson became the unquestioned burlesque queen of her period, leading her company of `British Blondes' (several of whom were not one or the other) around the country playing pieces such as Ixion, The Forty Thieves, Bluebeard, Aladdin, Robin Hood, Kenilworth, Mephisto, Lurline, Sinbad, La Sonnambula, Robinson Crusoe, Ivanhoe, a burlesque La Princesse de Trébizonde and Pippin (ie Byron's Rumpelstiltskin). If the blondes' trademarks were short trunks and shapely thighs, many of them were, however, by no means devoid of talent and several, including Pauline Markham, Alice Atherton, Camille Dubois, Carlotta Zerbini, Eliza Weathersby, Alice Burville and Rose Coghlan went on to fine careers. From the male members of her company emerged such top comic talents as Willie Edouin and Lionel Brough. Nevertheless, the company thrived on a slightly scandalous reputation which Lydia and her managers fostered finely, winning nationwide publicity with the tales of her `lesbian attacker' and of her public horsewhipping of the ungentlemanly proprietor of the Chicago Times who had published a piece reflecting on the virtue of the 'blondes'. |
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18 Dec 06 - 07:35 AM (#1912505) Subject: RE: Origins: Hiawatha - By Kerry Mills? From: greg stephens Kerry Mills may or may not have written a tune called Hiawatha(probably not, it seems): but he certainly wrote some absolute crackers, as kevin Rietman has mentioned above. Good old session favourites, beloved of good old melodeon players: Redwing and Whistling Rufus. The Georgia Barn Dance, and my own personal favourite the fabulous At a Georgia Gamp Meeting. |
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18 Dec 06 - 09:00 AM (#1912563) Subject: RE: Origins: Hiawatha - By Kerry Mills? From: McGrath of Harlow "Georgia Gamp Meeting" - that'd be the one with the synchronised umbrellas... |
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18 Dec 06 - 09:36 AM (#1912589) Subject: RE: Origins: Hiawatha - By Kerry Mills? From: Flash Company They sing 'For he's a Brolly Good Fellow!' FC |
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07 Aug 16 - 07:31 PM (#3804090) Subject: RE: Origins: Hiawatha - By Kerry Mills? From: Ian Hayden You can listen to a c1903 Edison cylinder recording of Hiawatha played by the London Regimental Band here . It's a catchy little tune. |