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Lyr Req: Bonny Susie Clellan?

19 Mar 99 - 01:49 AM (#64201)
Subject: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: vandal@famvid.com

hello there...i'm a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism, and a couple other ladies in my local group have decided to become "singing wenches"...and it seems that a few years back, i heard a song somewhere that i think was called "Bonny Susie Clellan", by a couple ladies from a ren faire somewhere called Wench Works...i've never forgotten the tune to the song, but i can't remember the words to save my life...i would practically give an arm to have them...help??


19 Mar 99 - 02:01 AM (#64205)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Banjer

In the upper right hand corner at the top of the screen type in Bonnie Susie Clelland and you will find the words to the song in the Data. If yu want other songs dealing with "bonnie" anything, type in just "bonnie", (without the qoutes)


19 Mar 99 - 02:02 AM (#64206)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Sandy Paton

Go to the DT box above and simply type in cleland. The title there is spelled Bonnie Susie Cleland.

As they say, welcome to the Mudcat!

Sandy


19 Mar 99 - 02:04 AM (#64207)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Sandy Paton

Spelling is everything!


19 Mar 99 - 02:08 AM (#64210)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Banjer

Whoops, Sandy is right...Clelan with one L! (must have been a shortage of L's that year!)


19 Mar 99 - 09:08 AM (#64247)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: AlistairUK

If you want the tune go out and get The Oyster Band and June tabor's cd 'Freedom and Rain' on the Cooking Vinyl label.

Good Luck


19 Mar 99 - 10:03 AM (#64260)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Alice

Banjer, aren't there two 'l's in Clelan? I know, picky, picky, picky.....


19 Mar 99 - 12:21 PM (#64278)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Jerry Friedman

A shortage of L's? Was that the year Jesus was born?


19 Mar 99 - 10:57 PM (#64427)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Susan A-R

SPELLING!!!!! ARRRRGGH


19 Mar 99 - 10:58 PM (#64428)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Susan A-R

OOH, and take a listen to some "Silly Sisters" recordings while you are at it. They do wonderful stuff. (Is it June Tabor and Matty Prior?)


20 Mar 99 - 05:04 AM (#64465)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Banjer

About the L's: I would have thought that there should be two L's in Clellan, but to my surprise there was but the one. (Two if you count them both, but only a single L for the second syllable) It must be a Scottish song, having learned from my lovely bride, whose mum was born in ole Scotland, that the Scots are a very frugal folk and would not use two when one would do! NOI!!!


20 Mar 99 - 07:12 AM (#64480)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: AlistairUK

Susan: Yep June Tabor and Maddy Prior.


20 Mar 99 - 10:17 AM (#64503)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Susan of DT

Beware searching for bonnie. I used to think there were only two spellings for that word - bonnie and bonny and then found some older songs with bonie and (maybe)bony. So this is not a great word to include in searches.


20 Mar 99 - 12:36 PM (#64537)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Ferrara

I don't think there can be a "right" spelling for proper nouns in traditional songs, for 2 reasons: 1, There were no standardized spellings at the time the songs were written, and 2, there are variants in the way names were sung.

Also there are no fixed names for some songs, people just use a phrase from the song. There's a Carter song which I've seen as either "My Barque of Life" or "You've Been a Friend to Me," for example.

Finally, there may be typos in the title, so sometimes you can find a song via an unusual phrase in the song. I agree -- the shorter the better on search phrases, and try several spellings.

Yeah, Susan, "bonnie" is spelled "bony" lots of places. I have that spelling in two books in the song "Silver Tassie" or "My bony Mary" by Robert Burns. Here "bony" is pronounced "bon-nie" and means "pretty," not "skinny."

Jean Redpath and Helen Schneyer both sing "Bonnie Susie C." I don't know whether Helen recorded it. Maybe Sandy Paton could tell us.


20 Mar 99 - 05:28 PM (#64588)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Sandy Paton

Not that I know of, but Lisa Null did a splendid rendition on (was it?) her recording titled "Feathered Maiden." That was my introduction to the ballad. Guess I stopped reading Child's versions of "Lady Maisry" too soon.

Regarding the spelling of Cleland: if it's pronounced Clee-land, as I've always heard it, one "L" would be correct, as in Paton -- one "T" and pronounced Pay-ton. Caroline always says "Like the writer of Cry the Beloved Country, not the General!" We know where our preferences are.

Sandy


21 Mar 99 - 05:02 PM (#64779)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Pete M

Two 'ell with the lot of you.

Pete M


21 Mar 99 - 11:02 PM (#64861)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: Sandy Paton

No, Pete. It's all been about having only one ELL!


21 Mar 99 - 11:10 PM (#64864)
Subject: RE: maybe traditional, maybe not, i don't care
From: catspaw49

Perhaps we could just postpone this whole damn thing til Christmas when we could have NO-ELL. Oughta' suit Sandy to a "T"

catspaw