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16 Jan 07 - 04:50 AM (#1937996) Subject: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: GeoffLawes The Singer Not the Song BBC Radio 4 today 9.30- 9.45 |
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16 Jan 07 - 04:58 AM (#1937999) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: GeoffLawes Wonderful program with Norma Waterson talking about folk singing with martin Carthy and an un named but perceptive and knowledgeable chap talking about the 50's 60's revival in UK. Margaret Barry, Watersons, Copper Family, Sam Larner excerpts used to illustrate the comments. Use the Listen Again facility on the BBC site. DO IT |
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16 Jan 07 - 05:02 AM (#1938002) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Yes, it was great, but who was that other male voice? At first I thought it must be Martin with a cold but it really didn;t sound like him, and then he referred to Martin in the third person. After hearing Martin sing, the (new) speaking voice was obviously the greatest living Englishman. I particularly liked the Pavarotti/Dylan comparison.......... |
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16 Jan 07 - 05:13 AM (#1938010) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: GeoffLawes Here is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/thesingernotthesong/pip/bqnpd/ |
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16 Jan 07 - 05:25 AM (#1938016) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: GUEST http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/thesingernotthesong/pip/bqnpd |
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16 Jan 07 - 05:27 AM (#1938017) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: Ruth Archer Yes, I thought it was odd that they didn't identify several of the voices - not only the "expert", but Margaret Barry nor Martin Carthy. But still a nice listen. Always good to hear Sam Larner on the radio first thing in the morning! Ought to happen every day. |
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16 Jan 07 - 05:37 AM (#1938019) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: Dave Hanson Only one criticism, it was too short. eric |
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16 Jan 07 - 05:43 AM (#1938024) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: GUEST,Richard Bridge on another computer Yes, but I'm not sure I agree with the central thesis that the bel canto voice is a curse in stead of a blessing - think of our own late Dave Bryant. |
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16 Jan 07 - 06:04 AM (#1938027) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: Paul from Hull Youre right there Eric |
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16 Jan 07 - 06:12 AM (#1938034) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: GUEST,Northerner Thank you for the link. I enjoyed the programme. |
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16 Jan 07 - 06:30 AM (#1938044) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: greg stephens I thought it was possibly an interesting half hour programme reduced to a very unsatisfactory quarter of an hour by brutal and unthinking editing. Norma Waterson, for example, paid Margaret Barry a great(and well-deserved compliment) by saying that she (Norma) went from being lost to being found when she first heard Barry. Now, in those circumstances, the programme's conspicuous failure to identify the recording of Margaret Barry was inexcusable. If they hadn't got a good recording of Norma W identifying her, they should have got the narrator to say who it was. I haven't got listen again facilities, so I cant give you chaper and verse, but I think there were many many examples of editing which spoiled the flow of things. For example, the section on thre Coppers made little sense, mad irrelvant by non sequitors which I'm sure the original speaker wasnt responsible for. Not naming Margaret Barry was a shameful lack of respect. Not even naming the narrator(as far as I noticed) was just plain barmy. Pity, because potentially an excellent programme, interesting examples etc etc. A fine concept. spoilt by lack of attention to detail. Probably(knowing the BBC ) the result of lack of budget rather than actual malice! |
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16 Jan 07 - 06:39 AM (#1938046) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: Leadfingers Interesting that Norma only referred to The Watersons as an Unaccompanied Harmony Group , when , as far as 'Live' appearance were concerned they did a lot of guitar / banjo / fiddle stuff as well ! And I agree totally re Margaret Barry , though once you've heard her soing , she doesnt need naming ! |
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16 Jan 07 - 07:03 AM (#1938063) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: 8_Pints The commentator was, I think, Vic Gammon who teaches at the Newcastle University Folk Degree Course alongside Sandra Kerr. He was previously based in Sheffield and was resident at Pete Coe's 'Ryburn 3 Step' Folk Club, "The Alma", Cotton Stones, Halifax. Although short, the programme was 'spot on' with its message I thought! Pity Margaret Barry wasn't named but she was instantly recognisable to me. Bob vG |
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16 Jan 07 - 07:32 AM (#1938078) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: The Sandman a great listen,I wondered if the narrator was doc rowe. Richard Bridge,have to disagree with you about Dave Bryant,he could tell a story[in that respect he was agood singer,and he had a powerful voice,but in my opinion his gilbert and sullivan style,while appropriate for things like [I live in trafalgar square]and the old dun cow music hall song,was completely inappropriate for TAM LIN. |
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16 Jan 07 - 07:49 AM (#1938088) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: 8_Pints No Dick, it wasn't Doc Rowe. Bob vG |
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16 Jan 07 - 09:49 AM (#1938212) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: Folkiedave I'd go so far as to say it was definitely Vic Gammon. http://www.ncl.ac.uk/sacs/staff/profile/vic.gammon |
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16 Jan 07 - 02:44 PM (#1938543) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: GUEST,Shimrod I think that it was shameful that Vic Gammon didn't get a credit! The Beeb sinks to a new low! At first I thought that I was listening to Martin Carthy - but the voice just didn't sound right. Then it dawned on me who it was! |
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16 Jan 07 - 03:19 PM (#1938588) Subject: RE: MUST HEAR BBC RADIO PROG TODAY From: Forsh If you missed it, don't forget the 'listen again' feature! I am listning later.. the blurb looks good. |
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17 Jan 07 - 06:52 PM (#1939945) Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January From: Tootler An excellent programme whose basic message was clearly made. I think some of the criticisms made above, while they have some validity amount to little more than nit picking. |
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17 Jan 07 - 07:01 PM (#1939951) Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January From: GUEST,Ian Well I really enjoyed it! It was folk music on Radio 4, something of a rarity, so I'm afraid the criticism says more about the critics, than it does about the programme. Be constructive for once! I emailed the BBC to say how much I enjoyed the programme - thats the way to go if you want to hear more folk music on Radio 4! (and I did get a reply) Ian Nottingham |
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18 Jan 07 - 05:08 AM (#1940269) Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January From: GUEST,Shimrod "I think some of the criticisms made above, while they have some validity amount to little more than nit picking." Failure to credit one of the principal presenters and one of the featured singers is, in my book, downright rude and disrespectful. I do not believe that pointing this out is nitpicking! |
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18 Jan 07 - 07:44 AM (#1940376) Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January From: RoyH (Burl) I agree with Shimrod, not naming Margaret Barry or Vic Gammon (I'm sure it was he) was disrespectful, and unprofessional. Barry's wonderful voice leapt out of the speakers, and Vic Gammon had some good points to make and made them well. Listeners shoould not have been left wondering who these people were. There was one good side effect: the show made me get out my Barry and Larner records for a splendid couple of hours listening. True greats indeed. Burl. |
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19 Jan 07 - 04:41 AM (#1941358) Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January From: GUEST,Brian Peters Ah, the very Larner records you so generously lent me twenty-five or so years ago, Mr. Burl. A Damascene Road moment never to be forgotten! |
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19 Jan 07 - 05:24 AM (#1941375) Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January From: GUEST,Vic Gammon Guilty as charged! But how will I ever be famous if the BBC don't even name me? Much more importantly, everyone should know about Margaret Barry and what a wonderful singer she was. I did a 45 minutes of interview 'down the line' from Newcastle. You never know how these things will be edited up but I think the producer did a pretty good job. Shame about the credits! Best wishes to all, Vic Gammon Dr Vic Gammon Senior Lecturer in Folk and Traditional Music Degree Programme Director, BMus in Folk and Traditional Music International Centre for Music Studies School of Arts and Cultures Armstrong Building Newcastle University Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 7RU |
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19 Jan 07 - 05:30 AM (#1941377) Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January From: Keith A of Hertford You could do worse than become a Mudcat member Dr. Vic. It contains a vast knowledge base besides the DT. |
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19 Jan 07 - 05:35 AM (#1941380) Subject: RE: Must Hear-BBC Radio Prog Today 16 January From: GUEST,Sapper on TRU stuck at Kilmarnock Not heard the programme as I've been away from home this week, yet but I think some e-mails to "Pick Of The Week" on BBC R4 might get some response. Also, could those with critisisms direct them to R4's "Feedback" so we might get some action? |