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29 Jan 07 - 01:30 PM (#1951418) Subject: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: GUEST,Y? At about 6:45 he Mike Pecoraro) went to the mechanical shop in the second subbasement, ate his breakfast and chatted with his co-workers who were also arriving for the normal 8:00 a.m. beginning of their shift. Mike's assignment that day would be to continue constructing a gantry that would be used to pull the heads from the 2,500 ton chillers, located in the 6th sub- basement level of the tower. 49,000 tons of refrigeration equipment were located in the lower level of the tower. The 2,500 ton units were the smallest in use... Deep below the tower, Mike Pecoraro was suddenly interrupted in his grinding task by a shake on his shoulder from his co-worker. "Did you see that?" he was asked. Mike told him that he had seen nothing. "You didn't see the lights flicker?", his co-worker asked again. "No," Mike responded, but he knew immediately that if the lights had flickered, it could spell trouble. A power surge or interruption could play havoc with the building's equipment. If all the pumps trip out or pulse meters trip, it could make for a very long day bringing the entire center's equipment back on-line. Mike told his co-worker to call upstairs to their Assistant Chief Engineer and find out if everything was all right. His co-worker made the call and reported back to Mike that he was told that the Assistant Chief did not know what happened but that the whole building seemed to shake and there was a loud explosion. They had been told to stay where they were and "sit tight" until the Assistant Chief got back to them. By this time, however, the room they were working in began to fill with a white smoke. "We smelled kerosene," Mike recalled, "I was thinking maybe a car fire was upstairs", referring to the parking garage located below grade in the tower but above the deep space where they were working. The two decided to ascend the stairs to the C level, to a small machine shop where Vito Deleo and David Williams were supposed to be working. When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone. "There was nothing there but rubble, "Mike said. "We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press – gone!" The two began yelling for their co-workers, but there was no answer. They saw a perfect line of smoke streaming through the air. "You could stand here," he said, "and two inches over you couldn't breathe. We couldn't see through the smoke so we started screaming." But there was still no answer. The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone. "There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can't see anything" he said. They decided to ascend two more levels to the building's lobby. As they ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they were astonished to see a steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up "like a piece of aluminum foil" and lying on the floor. "They got us again," Mike told his co-worker, referring to the terrorist attack at the center in 1993. Having been through that bombing, Mike recalled seeing similar things happen to the building's structure. He was convinced a bomb had gone off in the building. Consider the implications of what Mr. Pecoraro describes: At this point the only overt damage to the building was the plane crash some 95 floors above, which could not have caused violent explosions underground. Since the towers were anchored at the base to the bedrock the shaking caused by the crash would have been greatest close to the crash site, getting progressively weaker as it approached the rigid attachment at the bottom. Yet the underground damage he describes can not have been the result of a mere shaking - nothing short of an explosion could reduce the contents of a machine shop to rubble. http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/underground/underground_explosions.htm Response from Ron Olesko in the Help Forum
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29-Jan-07 - 03:40 PM I know this thread was closed, but I would like to request that it either be re-opened or deleted completely. The person who started the thread - "y" - left out some important parts of the story, and they gave the story a very different slant. The article they quote from also included this - The smoke in the stairwell was constant and at one point, Mike told Arti that he was going to catch a quick breath of fresh air. He walked out into the main lobby of the building, seeing it for the first time. "When I walked out into the lobby, it was incredible," he recalled. "The whole lobby was soot and black, elevator doors were missing. The marble was missing off some of the walls. 20-foot section of marble, 20 by 10 foot sections of marble, gone from the walls". The west windows were all gone. They were missing. These are tremendous windows. They were just gone. Broken glass everywhere, the revolving doors were all broken and their glass was gone. Every sprinkler head was going off. I am thinking to myself, how are these sprinkler heads going off? It takes a lot of heat to set off a sprinkler head. It never dawned on me that there was a giant fireball that came through the air of the lobby. I never knew that until later on. The jet fuel actually came down the elevator shaft, blew off all the (elevator) doors and flames rolled through the lobby. That explained all the burnt people and why everything was sooted in the lobby. Reading th description from the person in question describing the fire ball that everyone else saw certainly gives a different perspective than what "Y" was trying to lead everyone to believe. While I applaud you for closing the thread, I think that having it exist in its current form without a proper rebuttal helps perpetuate the tragic myths that could this issue. I would strongly suggest that the thread be deleted completely if it cannot be reopened.
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29 Jan 07 - 01:39 PM (#1951422) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: John Hardly This is incredible. Shouldn't we alert someone? But who could we tell?!! What if everyone is in on it?!! OMG!!! I'm, like, this is, like, so, you know, OUT there. "As they ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they were astonished to see a steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up "like a piece of aluminum foil" and lying on the floor. Looks to me as though they didn't get that aluminum foil in place -- atop their heads -- in time. Shame, that. |
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29 Jan 07 - 01:42 PM (#1951425) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: number 6 There is already a thread opened regarding this ... maybe this thread should be merged in in with it. No need for another long winded conspiracy theory dragged out onto 2 threads. biLL |
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29 Jan 07 - 01:47 PM (#1951427) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: Don Firth At the bottom of the page, if you click on "Return to Home Page," it takes you to "PlaguePuppy's Café and Sanctuary for the Unspeakable Truth." Very authoritative! Don Firth P. S. A thorough investigation of GUEST,Y? reveals that he has several degrees: BS, MS, PhD. Now, we all know what "BS" stands for. MS stands for "More of the Same," and PhD stands for "Piled higher and Deeper." |
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29 Jan 07 - 01:51 PM (#1951431) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: number 6 Oh no. Here we go. |
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29 Jan 07 - 02:06 PM (#1951442) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: KB in Iowa I wouldn't be so flip everyone. My cousins barbers brothers high school basketball coach knows this guy who said his uncle saw a story on the sci-fi about story very similar to this. How much more proof do we really need? |
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28 Feb 07 - 09:18 PM (#1982353) Subject: BS: WTC bldg 7 collapse announced BEFOREhand From: GUEST, Happy day Now THIS is interesting. On the morning of Sept 11, 2001, the BBC and CNN were reporting World Trade Center building 7 had collapsed (past tense), but they reported it BEFORE the collapse. http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/bbc_wtc_7_911_coverup_unraveling.htm Apparently a video of the BBC's Jane Standley started this bruhaha a couple of days ago. Someone was going back through the footage and noticed a corner of WTC 7 over her shoulder while she read what sounds like a prepared statement about the building's collapse (collapse talked about in the past tense). The videoclip was uploaded to Googlevideo, infowars.com was notified, and people started copying the clip. Google began pulling it down as fast as it went up, in real time...unprecedented event. Normally it takes them hours or days to censor. Then the thing started showing up on Youtube. And now others are going through similar footage and have found the same discrepancy on CNN footage. Amazing. Two talking heads reading off the same script. This opens the door to subpoena sources. Who issued those prepared statements? This is it. Videotaped proof of prior knowledge. Happy day. (The googlevideo and youtube links may or may not be active, but a search of those sites will turn up whatever clips are active at the moment). |
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28 Feb 07 - 09:29 PM (#1982357) Subject: RE: BS: WTC bldg 7 collapse announced BEFOREhand From: bobad Cue the theme music |
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28 Feb 07 - 10:21 PM (#1982378) Subject: RE: BS: WTC bldg 7 collapse announced BEFOREhand From: GUEST,michaelr Yep. More evidence of controlled demolition. Giuliani used demolition experts' language on the day ("We're gonna pull.") WTC 7 wasn't hit by any airplane, and yet people still believe it collapsed... what? out of sympathy? it fainted?? The administration is up to its knees in the blood of 9-11 victims, and the Dems are STILL waffling on whether to pull the plug on their war... It is to gag. Cheers, Michael |
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01 Mar 07 - 09:30 AM (#1982703) Subject: BS: 9/11 Smoking Guns From: GUEST, Morey Searched and didn't see a thread like this one. This is a really important story, but websites are censoring it. On the morning of Sept 11, 2001, the BBC and CNN were reporting World Trade Center building 7 had collapsed (past tense), but they reported it BEFORE the collapse. http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/bbc_wtc_7_911_coverup_unraveling.htm Someone was going back through the footage of 9/11 broadcasts a few days ago and noticed a corner of WTC 7 over Jane Standley's shoulder while she read what sounds like a prepared statement about the building's collapse (collapse talked about in the past tense). The videoclip was uploaded to Googlevideo, then that site began pulling it down as fast as it went up, in real time...unprecedented event. Normally it takes them hours or days to censor. Then the thing started showing up on Youtube. And now others are going through similar footage and have found the same discrepancy on CNN footage. Amazing. Two talking heads reading off the same script. This opens the door to subpoenas. CNN and the BBC can be compelled to tell who told them in advance that the building was going to collapse. So this is videotaped proof of prior knowledge. Very, very important evidence. Proof. (The googlevideo and youtube links may or may not be active, but a search of those sites will turn up whatever clips are active at the moment). |
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04 Mar 07 - 10:02 PM (#1986453) Subject: BS: WTC collapse predicted by newscasters From: GUEST,Resolute I could have sworn I posted this here. Guess not. Worth repeating. On the morning of Sept 11, 2001, the BBC and CNN were reporting World Trade Center building 7 had collapsed (past tense), but they reported it BEFORE the collapse. http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/bbc_wtc_7_911_coverup_unraveling.htm Someone was going back through the footage of 9/11 broadcasts a few days ago and noticed a corner of WTC 7 over Jane Standley's shoulder while she read what sounds like a prepared statement about the building's collapse (collapse talked about in the past tense). The videoclip was uploaded to Googlevideo, then that site began pulling it down as fast as it went up, in real time...unprecedented event. Normally it takes them hours or days to censor. Then the thing started showing up on Youtube. And now others are going through similar footage and have found the same discrepancy on CNN footage. Aaron Brown reporting the building collapsed while it is still standing behind him. Amazing. Two talking heads reading off the same script. This opens the door to subpoenas. CNN and the BBC can be compelled to tell who told them in advance that the building was going to collapse. So this is videotaped proof of prior knowledge. Very, very important evidence. Proof positive, from two "trusted news sources," that the govt lied to us, at the very minimum. (The googlevideo and youtube links may or may not be active, but a search of those sites will turn up whatever clips are active at the moment). |
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04 Mar 07 - 10:09 PM (#1986460) Subject: RE: BS: WTC collapse predicted by newscasters From: Little Hawk I'm sure you're right. I'm also sure that most of the people here would rather just go on believing whatever they already believe about this and anthing else one can care to mention. So screw it. |
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04 Mar 07 - 10:14 PM (#1986467) Subject: RE: BS: WTC collapse predicted by newscasters From: bobad Google ads for this thread. WTC 5th Anniversary Proof As seen on TV 2-pc Proof clad in Silver Recovered From Ground Zero. Twin Towers 9 11 Great deals on everything Twin Towers 9 11 themed. |
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05 Mar 07 - 10:49 PM (#1987702) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: Peace The thread folks was lookin' for. |
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05 Mar 07 - 11:05 PM (#1987711) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: WFDU - Ron Olesko I hope you folks have day jobs that does not involve detective work. The assumptions and leaps of faith you make to support these conspiracies are astounding! To call it "proof positive" is just insane. Everyone complains when the news screws up, yet in this case it was proof positive? Stop being a hypocrite! The BBC / CNN newsfootage is about as bogus as it gets. Subpoenas? For what? Reporters twisted their words and got the information wrong. Do you really think that this "well oiled" conspiracy would have screwed up in such a public fashion? Why did it take nearly 6 years for anyone to remember this footage? Wasn't anyone watching CNN and the BBC on 9/11/01? Why didn't someone jump up right then and there to say something? The reason - there was so much misinformation being passed that day that this was chalked up as another. Everyone knew, and was informed, that WTC 7 was seriously damaged, on fire, and ready to collapse. THERE IS NO PROOF HERE. You are grasping at straws and trying to make a story work that just doesn't fit. There are no smoking guns, no witnesses, NO PROOF. You can keep digging, and perhaps you will find something. All we read are theories that someone is pulling out of their ass that do not make sense. The theorists have a preconceived assumption and they are trying to make it stick. There is no scientific or logical reasoning going on here. The elevator is not landing on all floors. |
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05 Mar 07 - 11:55 PM (#1987740) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: GUEST,Resolute There WAS a lot of misinformation being aired on that day...aired by the networks. And two clips of it are now exploding on the internet. It took a while for people to overcome the power of the Big Lie and notice that corner of building behind Standley's shoulder, and now the BBC is so busted it's doing a Nixon-gap-job on its videotapes. Soooo busted. The newsreaders jumped their cues by 20 minutes. There's an even more damning testimony on the explosions in the basements, too, since this thing has been resurrected. I'll see if I can find the woman's statement. Powerful stuff. |
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06 Mar 07 - 01:33 AM (#1987785) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: Blindlemonsteve Hi I think the reporting by the BBC and CNN about WTC 7 collapsing before it actually had, probably is a mix up, they were going to do a controlled explosion to bring it down, i think with all that was going on that terrible day, a slight mix up is acceptable. What i would call into question is, how on earth did they get the explosives into the building in the right places to do a controlled explosion so fast. This would take weeks to do this normally. i dont think we can jump to any conclusions about a bomb theory on the account of these two chaps either, a few tons of aviation fuel alight and falling down a lift shaft is gonna do some hefty damage when it hits the bottom. Just athought, but hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory,,,, remember, George Bush is stupid,,,,,But is he really THAT stupid. |
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06 Mar 07 - 05:19 AM (#1987896) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: Liz the Squeak Regrettably, for the whole world, the answer to that last question is probably yes. LTS |
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06 Mar 07 - 09:40 AM (#1988116) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: Donuel Proof or not, I witnessed the testimony of the black maintenence worker who described the sub basement explosions and the loss of his fellow worker in the basement blast that preceeded the collapse. I would err on the side of caution and dissmiss alll the facts that lead to a conclusion of a US goverment sponsored program of controlled demolition. Stick to the 9-11 commission story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The truthful alternative would discredit the US goverment and plunge this country into chaos and martial law. |
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06 Mar 07 - 09:55 AM (#1988135) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: InOBU Well, then there is this story: The real Lee Harvey Oswald was seen piloting the Titanic into the iceberg, in the smoke over the colapsing trade center. Several evangelical christians where on hand to witness this, as Jesus' immage on their morning toast told them to be there... or be square. They almost missed the miracle, as they had gotten into a fist fight with the followers of Rabbi Snearson, over the meaning of the word love, meanwhile, Spaw was reported to have been seen retreting from a bathroom on level B ... looking embarassed, having had an over abundance of beens the night before, but, friends of spaw, (FOS) reported to the FBI that Spaw was in fact, sitting in a classroom that morning, helping George Bush with the big words in the Billygoat book. When asked to comment on the events of the day, Judge Crater said, "I am at a loss, completly lost... " Oswald could not be found for comment. Benny Laudeen, a New York cab driver said, "I didn't see anything, I had an airport run that morning. Or so I am told lor |
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06 Mar 07 - 10:48 AM (#1988185) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: Bill D Lots of explanation of what REALLY happened the BBC's own explanation of the confused 'early' report (That last one was a link from THIS page, which carefully lays out all the claims & their problems_ |
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06 Mar 07 - 12:41 PM (#1988343) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: Donuel in obu I did in fact illustrate that very scene you described except for Lee Harvy being on board. It must have stuck in your unconscious if you saw it 3 years ago. |
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06 Mar 07 - 01:28 PM (#1988405) Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 eyewitness in WTC sub-basement From: InOBU Yes I know you did... Lee told me, but told me if I credited you, he would have to kill me... whoops lor |