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30 Jan 07 - 03:30 AM (#1952075) Subject: BS: Whos excited about vista From: ThreeSheds I might be in jaded cynic mode but I'm not rushing out to buy another machine with more expensive software what am I missing? |
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30 Jan 07 - 07:22 AM (#1952201) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Mr Red security loopholes some criminal will find them. But give it about 6 years and you will find virtually no new gizmo will run on XP (or more specifically the s/w for it). I am finding this on Win98SE (SP2). I keep a machine running on Win98 because I have software that runs on it. And has problems installing on XP (long file names). AND I want to see what my website looks like to legacy surfers. aren't KVM switches (& Laplink) wonderful)? eg Morph Studio works - all versions of Morphman seem to be exasperatingly crap - until I got a ripped-off version which I don't use yet. Morph Studio was a Ulead freebie and I would willingly pay for the upgrade but there isn't one - unless it morphed into Morphman and collapsed. |
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30 Jan 07 - 08:44 AM (#1952296) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Rapparee Vista. Ho-hum. |
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30 Jan 07 - 08:46 AM (#1952299) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: GUEST Just more techno stuff most of us neither need nor use. The concept is simply to render what we have absolete and force us to buy new stuff. My present PC is going to be my last as I am tired of all the so called "upgrading" crap. When are we going to accept the facxt that we are just cash cows. |
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30 Jan 07 - 08:48 AM (#1952302) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Bill D "In the >> name of shielding consumers from computer viruses and >> protecting copyright owners from potential infringement, >> Vista seemingly wrestles control of the "user experience" >> from the user. >> >> Vista's legal fine print includes extensive provisions >> granting Microsoft the right to regularly check the >> legitimacy of the software and holds the prospect of >> deleting certain programs without the user's knowledge. >> During the installation process, users "activate" Vista by >> associating it with a particular computer or device and >> transmitting certain hardware information directly to >> Microsoft. >> >> Even after installation, the legal agreement grants >> Microsoft the right to revalidate the software or to >> require users to reactivate it should they make changes to >> their computer components. In addition, it sets significant >> limits on the ability to copy or transfer the software, >> prohibiting anything more than a single backup copy and >> setting strict limits on transferring the software to >> different devices or users. >> >> Vista also incorporates Windows Defender, an anti-virus >> program that actively scans computers for "spyware, adware, >> and other potentially unwanted software." |
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30 Jan 07 - 09:03 AM (#1952317) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Rapparee Either I'll stay were I am or go to Red Hat, etc. |
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30 Jan 07 - 10:10 AM (#1952386) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: mack/misophist I use linux. The wife's new machine is going to run linux, with the old one stuck in the corner for certain win98se programs she needs, and no internet connection. This fuss reminds me of a conversation I had about 5 years ago. I was introduced to one of the world's top 'digital illustrators'. She used PhotoShop 3.3 for her work. She said Adobe was anxious to give her free copies of any software they had but that 3.3 did exactly what she wanted. If it weren't for security and updates, I think most would stick with 98 or 2000. Until they found out about linux. |
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30 Jan 07 - 10:29 AM (#1952402) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Bernard What?! |
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30 Jan 07 - 01:01 PM (#1952622) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Q (Frank Staplin) Looking at the flyers this morning- Choices look confusing. Which VISTA ? ULTIMATE - recommended for digital entertainment and business. (c. Can $300) BUSINESS - (c. C$250) HOME PREMIUM - sold with better computors (e. g. Compaq with processor 820 or Dell 'Mainstream' Dimension desktop- see note*) (c. C$180 separate) HOME BASIC - sold with cheaper computers (e. g. Compaq with processor 630 or dell 'basic' desktop) (c. C$130 separate) Note*- Dell's top desktop ('hard core gamer' ability), still comes with XP Media Center. Which Office 2007 ? Office Ultimate (c. $700 Can.) Professional (c. C$440) Small Business (c. C$380) Standard (c. C$320) Home and Student (c. C$180) |
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30 Jan 07 - 01:25 PM (#1952657) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Joe Offer Can't say I'm excited about Windows Vista, but it does seem like a logical advance. My XP machine is four years old, and it's getting sluggish and it's about time for me to get a new computer. I'll probably break down and get one in the next few weeks. And then I suppose my new computer will get sluggish in a year or two. Most of what I do on my computer is Mudcat and word processing and burning CD's - same thing that I did very well with this computer when it was new, except that it wasn't sluggish then. I've scanned for viruses and adware and spyware and whatnot, and don't find anything. Damn. I think I'll get a high-def TV tuner with my new computer, so I can do something new with it. -Joe- |
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30 Jan 07 - 01:37 PM (#1952671) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Q (Frank Staplin) I am not ready yet, and worried that I would have to learn new tricks, but I hope a poster shows up who knows something about the choices. Why so many? I guess trying to cover every part of the market, but seems excessive. |
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30 Jan 07 - 04:15 PM (#1952840) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: kendall I just had my confuser updated, added memory, cleaned up and it cost about the same as Vista. |
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30 Jan 07 - 05:10 PM (#1952889) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Bill D Joe...have you even run 'defrag'? A fragmented HD will slow things down. |
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30 Jan 07 - 06:03 PM (#1952927) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Greg F. Bill Gates is plenty excited- another expensive piece of crap that certain folks will run right out to buy & add to his already obscenely bloated fortune! Linux it is for my next machine. |
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30 Jan 07 - 07:30 PM (#1952993) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: kendall They were doing a demonstration on tv today. I was not impressed. |
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30 Jan 07 - 08:09 PM (#1953024) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Bee-dubya-ell "Excited" is not an adjective I use to describe my relationship with anything having to do with computers. I'm pleased that the timing of Vista's release coincides with my rapidly impending need for a new computer so I won't have to upgrade midstream. I'm not particularly pleased that there'll doubtlessly be new stuff to have to learn in order to use it. I used to get paid to learn computer crap, but since nobody pays me anymore I try to stick with learning what's necessary and no more. |
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30 Jan 07 - 10:59 PM (#1953121) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Cluin From what I've seen of it, it doesn't look like like it will let me accomplish any more with my computer than I can now so I'm not excited about it. Just looks like MS is trying to corner the market on more things 3rd party stuff does now. But then, that's always been Microsoft's aim. I foresee more court cases and more control over how I use my computer. It's likely even more wizarded-out than XP. I spent most of my learning curve there in trying to get around that stuff. If I ever meet Bill Gates in person, first I'll thank him, then I'll punch him on the nose. |
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31 Jan 07 - 12:38 AM (#1953155) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Little Hawk Ummm. Well, gee. I guess I'm about as excited about it as this guy: Do I look excited? |
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31 Jan 07 - 02:16 AM (#1953181) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Joe Offer Yes, Bill, I've run "defrag," and that's not the problem. I need more RAM and more hard drive space, and it probably wouldn't hurt to have more processing power. I usually figure on keeping a computer three years, and I then find buying a new one is cheaper than upgrading the old one. I delayed a year to wait for Windows Vista to come out. Some people think the new operating system will stimulate computer sales - it made me delay buying for a year. -Joe- |
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31 Jan 07 - 04:42 AM (#1953262) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Dazbo And according to what I heard of a report on the BBC, the Guardian newspaper claimed that the Defender missed 85% of spyware, viriuses etc. Bodes well! |
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31 Jan 07 - 04:48 AM (#1953268) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: John MacKenzie Approximate prices. Upgrade £100 Basic complete instal £150 Super Duper Top of the range version £250 Am I being cynical when I say, 'This is a money making exercise' ? Why is it double the price in the UK, to that in the US????? G ¦¬[ |
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31 Jan 07 - 07:17 AM (#1953351) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Crystal I can barely contain my indifference! |
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31 Jan 07 - 07:44 AM (#1953387) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Cluin If MS puts out any sort of software add-on (eg. Defender) that they incorporate into Windows, you can bet that's the one the hackers will target with their viruses and malware, etc. |
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31 Jan 07 - 07:53 AM (#1953394) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Scrump GUEST wrote: Just more techno stuff most of us neither need nor use. The concept is simply to render what we have absolete and force us to buy new stuff. My present PC is going to be my last as I am tired of all the so called "upgrading" crap. When are we going to accept the facxt that we are just cash cows. Well said, GUEST. If they were any good, Microsoft would make each new release leaner, faster and more reliable - instead what we get is products that take up a lot more storage space, require more powerful processors, and are riddled with bugs. So if we want to use the latest products we have to upgrade our hardware first. It's high time there was a proper international Microsoft User Group with teeth, that could put pressure on the company to start producing software that suits us instead of their shareholders (who are the only people to benefit from any upgrades. |
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31 Jan 07 - 08:39 AM (#1953438) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Rasener Some people need to be able to gloat that they have the latest equipment and software. ooooh look what I have. Most don't need it. Occasioanlly and once in a blue moon software developers do something wonderful and if you need whatever they develop its worth having. Most people don't use more than 10% of the sofware capability. The vast majority of people only need a simple wordprocessor, e-mail and the internet. What in my opinion has changed dramatically is music, photo's and the abilty to send them and websites. Thats where the rub comes in. As much disk space, memory and processing power are needed for that. So they bring out faster and more powerful machines to handle it. So you finish up buying a new machine. And so the cycle goes on. |
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31 Jan 07 - 08:19 PM (#1954090) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: hesperis Most of the real geeks I know are very much not impressed with Vista. Stick with XP while you can and just upgrade your hardware. The next time I *have* to get a new computer I'm going to switch to linux. |
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01 Feb 07 - 07:36 AM (#1954393) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: GUEST,Mr Red who does video editting, which needs Joe - do you run msconfig.exe? XP finds it no problem from the run box. You will be gobsmacked at the crap that is in there. Uncheck one item per day and try a lot of things till the PC looks wrong - then go back one stage. You may find more than one instance of the same thing. reduce it to a single active instance. |
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01 Feb 07 - 07:57 AM (#1954409) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Desdemona I'm a recently converted Mac user---I lovelovelovelovelove my my beautiful little MacBook and will *never* go back to a PC! ~D |
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01 Feb 07 - 08:28 AM (#1954442) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: GUEST,ozchick oh yeah........ i LOVE my mac. vista who.....? |
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01 Feb 07 - 09:22 AM (#1954514) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Geoff the Duck Of course it is only an excuse for Arnie to say "Hasta la Vista Baybee" Excited? Wake me up when it's all over... Quack! GtD. |
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01 Feb 07 - 09:34 AM (#1954523) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Scrump And another thing I forgot, in my rant above: if there's a bug in Windows (or other Microsoft product), they say in effect "don't worry, we're fixing it in the next release, which you will be able to buy from us". What kind of service is that? If it was your car or TV set, would you accept that? |
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01 Feb 07 - 11:10 AM (#1954641) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: GUEST,Seiri Omaar Most people's problems with computers are created by themselves. I have an old Win98SE which works beautifully. I'm holding out judgement on Vista. |
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01 Feb 07 - 11:32 AM (#1954658) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Amos Geeze, guys... get yourself a beautiful little Mac running OS X, a direct descendant of BSD Unix and far more bulletproof than anything Microsoft ever wrote. It's a question of "use it to work with" or "learn to work on it", or who owns whom. They ain't perfect, but they are stretches better than XP and I expect Vista, and a lot less complex from the users' perspective. A |
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01 Feb 07 - 12:12 PM (#1954690) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: skipy Vista \Vis"ta\, n.; pl. Vistas. [It., sight, view, fr. vedere, p. p. visto, veduto, to see, fr. L. videre, visum. See View, Vision.] A view; especially, a view through or between intervening objects, as trees; a view or prospect through an avenue, or the like; hence, the trees or other objects that form the avenue. The finished garden to the view Its vistas opens, and its alleys green. --Thomson. In the groves of their academy, at the end of every vista, you see nothing but the gallows. --Burke. The shattered tower which now forms a vista from his window. --Sir W. Scott. Skipy |
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01 Feb 07 - 12:13 PM (#1954692) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Desdemona Exactly--the "use it to work with" vs "learn to work on(or indeed 'with') it" analogy is spot on. I am not interested in having to understand how my computer works; I just need it *to* work! I love my Mac because I turn it on and it that's exactly what happens. After years of dealing with 6 million components, wireless cards (why????), external hard drives, viruses and the ever-changing labyrinthine wastes of Microsoftian arcana, it's such a relief to have this tiny little thing that does everything I want and more, while requiring nothing from me except my (admittedly fulsome!) praise. ~D |
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01 Feb 07 - 12:20 PM (#1954701) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Cluin That's why Macs are made for |
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01 Feb 07 - 01:15 PM (#1954746) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: saulgoldie I work in an academic environment, and I see firsthand the learning curve issues, not to mention the technophobe syndrome. The teachers I am in contact with FIRST have to master their content area, and now, given the new reality, they have to also master the whole world of computers. Under the circumstances, I think they would be better off with something that just plain works without your having to have a separate degree in HOW it works to get work done. In other words, I think teachers, and most people, for that matter would be better off with MACs. As mentioned earlier in the thread, this is just another opportunity to further enrich Bill Gates, and along the way make it harder to pirate his products. This, BTW, will also make for many more headaches for regular users who will be ensnared in his web of new "features" that allow him to do this. It is time for some serious anti-trust action. This is as important to most of us as water and electricity, and should be regulated accordingly for the good of the vast majority of the citizenry. Saul |
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01 Feb 07 - 01:31 PM (#1954766) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Little Hawk Hey! I want to do stuff without knowing how things work. You have grievously insulted me, Cluin, and I DEMAND satisfaction!!! I know it's asking a lot. Satisfaction is not an easy thing to provide these days, if it ever was. ;-) But you heard what I said. |
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01 Feb 07 - 02:14 PM (#1954806) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Amos Cluin: You are mistaken. I want to know THAT things work. A |
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01 Feb 07 - 03:00 PM (#1954853) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Cluin C'mon, Amos. Where's your sense of adventure? Little Hawk, go satisfy yourself. ;) |
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01 Feb 07 - 03:29 PM (#1954878) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: GUEST,Desdemona Guilty as charged: I don't give a flying crap how things work! I simply expect them to do so, particularly when I've made a substantial investment in them. Saulgoldie hs sussed out my position exactly: my work is also academic in nature, and my feeling is that there are plenty of other things I *need* to know; my computer is a tool that enables me to concentrate on the things about which I *do* give a crap! Dilettantishly, ~D |
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01 Feb 07 - 03:47 PM (#1954901) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Don Firth I've been using XP for a few years now and, other than a few off-pissing little peccadilloes, I can pretty much ignore it and get on about my business, which, essentially, is what I want of an operating system. I wouldn't switch to Vista at least until it's been out long enough for the bugs to show up and get worked out (at least a couple of years), and probably not until I absolutely have to. Don Firth |
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01 Feb 07 - 06:34 PM (#1955063) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Scrump I like to know how things work, but I don't want to have to know. I can drive a car without knowing how the carburettor, engine, etc., work. If I want to know I can find out. But not knowing doesn't stop me driving the car. With Windows, occasionally a problem occurs that means I suddenly find I need to know how to edit the feckin' registry in such a way as to not lose all my data from the system. That's what I hate about Windows. I regard ny PC as a tool to do things I want - no more, no less. I don't want to have to learn how the feckin' thing works internally. And I work in IT - I wonder how yer average Joe Public person copes with some of the problems that Windows throws up? |
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01 Feb 07 - 06:37 PM (#1955066) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Amos Cluin: I come from a long line of writers,who did not mostly share my appetite for science and technology. My parents wrote up the world using typewriters, or #2 pencils on yellow foolscap pads. Neither one of them could have explained the leverage of the keys, the linkage of the carriage, the origins of graphite or the process for forming a pencil lead. But they were excellent writers. My grandfather -- the one I knew -- was an engineer and he wrote his reports by fountain pen. He was a mining engineer and knew all about stopes and vents, but he could not have begun to explain the metalurgy of nibs. But he was a good mining engineer. Stephen King, one of the most prolific and best-selling authors of all time, disappears inside the page when he writes. He uses a word processor. But he (I guess) knows about as much about registers and DRAM and thermal runaway as my grandfather knew about cell phones. There's nothing wrong with my sense of adventure!! :D But I like to choose my battles, and fighting with my operating system grew old way back in the days of CP/M. A |
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01 Feb 07 - 06:51 PM (#1955080) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Little Hawk Beautifully stated, Amos. ;-) |
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01 Feb 07 - 10:53 PM (#1955219) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Big Phil "whos exited about vista" BILL GATES |
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02 Feb 07 - 04:43 AM (#1955345) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: GUEST,Geoff the Duck SKIPY - nice set of definitions. So, what microsloth are basically saying is that Vista looks good from a great distance, but you will have to slog your way through a load of dead wood before you can get any benefit from it. Sounds about right to me. Quack! Geoff the Duck. |
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02 Feb 07 - 05:09 AM (#1955366) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: GUEST,Mr Red who remembers CP/M and Intel's own OS I always contend the bestest program or OS ever (and that is final) is: The one you have been using for umpteen years and know how to deal with it. If you can't deal with it - it ain't the best. If yer car stalls it needs servicing - or you do! If it won't start without the choke - you need to remember to.......................... analogies always stretch to fit the viewpoint of the viewer. Now here is an analogy (emphasis on the anal) - Mono-culture - do we ever "retain" from history? |
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02 Feb 07 - 05:29 AM (#1955376) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: GUEST,Geoff the Duck A good operating system is one which allows you to do what YOU want to do. The Commodore Amiga was BRILLIANT for that and in various things such as image manipulation could still knock spots off Microsoft despite being 20 years "out of date". Microsoft is crap mainly because it constantly prevents you doing what YOU want to do. It will only let you do what IT says you want to do. It is based on the old "road directions" story where - You can't get there from here... On a PC I use Corel for word processing because Word wil not allow me to format text as I wish or put it in a box where I want or other similar annoyances. It is all very well talking about Learning Curves, but that should be something which happens because you discover improved ways to get the same job done, NOT something which prevents you doing stuff. Quack! Geoff the Duck. |
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02 Feb 07 - 05:41 AM (#1955385) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Scrump Talking about Microsoft Windows generally, I find that as a long-time user (since Windows 3.1), I find that I do things a certain way tha suits me, and I find it annoying when MS in their wisdom seem to change things for the sake of it, which means I have to learn new ways to do things, when I was happy to do things the way I used to do them and would prefer them to leave well alone. It makes me harbour violent feelings towards Bill Gates (although I'm sure he's a thoroughly nice guy really :-)) - a sort of Windows Rage. Maybe I'm getting old and set in my ways, but does anyone else feel the same? |
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02 Feb 07 - 05:57 AM (#1955392) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: The Fooles Troupe " but does anyone else feel the same" ... far too many to count... and that is said as one who has lost count of the mainframe/mini/micro OSes used... |
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06 Feb 07 - 06:51 PM (#1959708) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: JohnInKansas WHAT DID YOU SAY? Security Watch: Speak of the Devil—Vista Voice-Attacks First publicized by George Ou, a new type of remote attack was the talk of the security industry last week. Windows Vista comes with speech recognition software which can perform system commands. Crucially, this feature is not turned on by default, but when it is, Ou shows that it is possible to invoke the feature by playing a sound file. If the sound file contains spoken commands for the system, and if the speech recognition is turned on, and if the speakers and microphone are of high enough quality, the audio file can cause the system to execute commands. Ou then proposed that the file take the expeditious route of redirecting the Web browser to a simple, pre-determined address that can download a file, downloading it and executing it. As a matter of hacking technique, this attack is more clever than practical. ... ... ... ... (somebody's opinion?) - - - Nuff said? John |
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06 Feb 07 - 06:55 PM (#1959710) Subject: RE: BS: Shut up about vista From: JohnInKansas I neglected to indicate clearly that the "paste" is quoted from the PC Magazine Security Watch article at the first link. Only the smart-assed comments are my original composition. John |
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06 Feb 07 - 08:01 PM (#1959771) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Bee-dubya-ell But what we wanna know is whether Vista's gonna give us any really cool free games to play or just the same old crap! |
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07 Feb 07 - 01:48 PM (#1960187) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: GUEST,Seiri Omaar What I don't understand is why people have so many problems with Windows. I am an obsessive computer user and I have little difficulty (except with Windows ME which was garbage). In fact, only a little messing around will allow one to figure out most of the problems with a machine. I like the car analogy. Computers need servicing every once in a while just like a car, and that's the way it is. Now maybe I'm blessed with computers... but take heart, printers hate me. Geoff- Corel WordPerfect is a GREAT program. So much more intuitive than Word and has very neat advanced functions you're into that. I use it for damn near everything. |
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08 Feb 07 - 07:23 AM (#1960971) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: GUEST,Mr Red who loves to tinker .... but The car analagy. Most people want to get from U to B via S and don't want the car: to steer via Firewire, to talk to them as though they are idiots, nor to crash occasionally. PC's are complex (some say MS has 1 million man-years invested on Windows XP and looking at all they ripped-off or bought that figure is a bit on the low side) but most people want their PC to "just do what they want it to do fer gawd's sake" I do! But I may tinker as a separate issue and hobby. Video editing and registry tweeks are not mutually exclusive, but a million miles apart. The starter question was - what has Vista got that is worth it? What is the must have? the answer will become apparent in 6 years time. |
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08 Feb 07 - 07:58 AM (#1961005) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Scrump Yes, it seems Microsoft keeps adding new features that they think we can't do without. What most of us want is what we want from a car - easy to use, reliable and efficient. Windows gets less of these things with each release. |
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08 Feb 07 - 04:36 PM (#1961614) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Geoff the Duck MS has 1 million man years invested in XP. What annoys me is that it's MY Million Years not theirs.... A car designed by microsoft. It's got the standard 4 wheels, plus an extra one pointing in a completely different direction so you can drive off the road at speed. It has brakes which operate when you turn on the cigarette lighter because Bill thinks it would be a good idea for you to go slower when lighting up. It has a sun roof underneath the car so that when it flips over you can get a good tan. Any other ideas for helpful features? Quack! Geoff the Duck. |
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09 Feb 07 - 06:45 AM (#1962110) Subject: RE: BS: Whos excited about vista From: Geoff the Duck When you want to change gear, it sends up an error message asking if you REALLY WANT TO and the steering locks up solid until you click on an answer box. Quack! GtD. |
