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03 Feb 07 - 10:46 PM (#1957095) Subject: BS: Influenza Britain From: GUEST,.gargoyle Killer Flu In Suffolk
Confirmed avian flu killed 2,600 turkeys at a Bernard Matthews farm in Suffolk.
The slaughter of nearly 160,000 turkeys has begun
The government said the flu was the "highly pathogenic" Asian strain.
The strain has killed 164 people worldwide.
The most likely source of the outbreak was wild birds. |
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03 Feb 07 - 10:53 PM (#1957101) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: bobad Especially if you're a turkey. |
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04 Feb 07 - 12:18 AM (#1957154) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: GUEST,Arnie Just as well this happened after Christmas - any earlier and I think Bernard Matthews would be looking to take up another profession! Is he still alive or is this another Colonel Kentucky-type company that still bears it's founders name long after he's gone to that great plucking shed in the sky. |
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04 Feb 07 - 05:49 AM (#1957267) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Jean(eanjay) I wonder where exactly these turkeys were kept (indoors or out) if the source was wild birds. Presumably this was an outdoor farm. |
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04 Feb 07 - 07:05 AM (#1957300) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Mingulay Apparently Bernard Matthews have issued a statement saying that the situation is "Norfolk 'n good". (Apologies to Mr S.Kipper/Mr. C.Sugden) |
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04 Feb 07 - 07:59 AM (#1957337) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Scooby Doo The Turkeys are kept in 22 enclosed sheds and they have not found the source of the outbreak yet. Scooby |
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04 Feb 07 - 10:55 AM (#1957475) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Flash Company Defra was a bit slow off the mark in getting to the scene, next we get the 'Don't Panic' messages alongside the 'Pandemic' scares. As an old cynic, I can't help but think that the occupant of No 10 must be cackling with glee and thinking 'That's got Cash for Honours off the front page!' FC |
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04 Feb 07 - 01:41 PM (#1957572) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Rapparee Well, if they'd just do SOMETHING about all those wild birds this wouldn't happen! Couldn't they just test them all or something? |
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04 Feb 07 - 04:34 PM (#1957711) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Michael Just kill all wild birds - everywhere - remove obvious vectors!! Easy really. Mike |
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04 Feb 07 - 04:38 PM (#1957718) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Jean(eanjay) Michael, don't let all the twitchers, who have flocked to Knaresborough this weekend to see the young black-throated diver, hear you say that! |
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04 Feb 07 - 08:19 PM (#1957887) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Mo the caller Mike, if you don't want humans to catch flu from birds, yours is just one of the two possible solutions. |
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05 Feb 07 - 10:56 AM (#1957947) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: The PA Cant really see Bernard Matthews and their sort letting a turkey see light of day. Makes you wonder how these turkeys are supposed to have caught it from wild birds! who they trying to fool. And I do wish they would stop referring to this as a farm, its a meat producing industrial unit. |
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05 Feb 07 - 03:28 PM (#1958191) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Jean(eanjay) You've got a point there. I feel sorry for the turkeys - that number crammed into 22 sheds, however big the sheds are they won't be big enough. |
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05 Feb 07 - 06:15 PM (#1958358) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Gizmo I don't agree with the culling of the birds for the following reason: If there is a case of the bird flu, what they should do is keep all of the possible carriers contained in a quaranteen area. All the survivng birds would have some sort of resistance to the flu, and therefore should be allowed to populate. The chances that at least 1 of the birds is resistant is high. However, if they do die, then they were going to anyway. The major problem with large scale culling, is that the animals with resistance to the disease do not get a chance to breed, thus we get generations of immunity weakend animals, including humans. Strains of viruses often change and adapt, and some can be dormant or thought to be extinct, then up comes a strain again. Culling leads to weaker animals in the long term and what good would that do? |
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05 Feb 07 - 06:20 PM (#1958362) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: bubblyrat It would reduce the population. Nature has been doing it for thousands of years .What will be,will be.!! |
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06 Feb 07 - 03:53 AM (#1958702) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Jean(eanjay) Gizmo, I suppose they worry about people panicking and feel that they need an instant solution to this particular outbreak. It is what happened with BSE. |
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06 Feb 07 - 04:06 AM (#1958713) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: mandotim I live near the incineration plant in Staffordshire, and there is the predictable uproar locally. The trucks roll through our village, mostly at night. The latest word is that two tankers full of cranberry sauce have been delivered as well... Tim PS Gordon Ramsey (inevitably) had a comment; 'The publicity wil mean all the f****ng idiots who know f**k all about food will stop buying turkey immediately. The price will drop like a stone, and that's good, 'cos I like turkey.' |
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06 Feb 07 - 05:54 AM (#1958777) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Big Al Whittle sod the turkeys - I've got a sore throat. |
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06 Feb 07 - 06:42 AM (#1958812) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: The PA Its if you start sneezing you need to worry! |
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06 Feb 07 - 06:44 AM (#1958814) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Jean(eanjay) help! |
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06 Feb 07 - 06:53 AM (#1958816) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: ard mhacha With intensive agricultural methods do we have to look for an outside source, regarding the horrendous conditions these birds are reared under can anyone be surprised that disease is bound to be present. |
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06 Feb 07 - 10:03 AM (#1959007) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Scrump All this talk of - COCK A DOODLE DO! - bird flu spreading to - SQUAWK! - humans is just media hysteria - CAW!! ATISHOO! |
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06 Feb 07 - 11:48 AM (#1959150) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Splott Man 164 human victims worldwide in 5 years. Now that's what I call a pandemic! How many thousand people die in this country annually from ordinary everyday common or garden flu? |
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07 Feb 07 - 10:39 AM (#1959982) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Scrump Garden flu? Aaarrgh! If I'd known I'd never have gone out there for that cabbage! |
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07 Feb 07 - 10:56 AM (#1959999) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: wlisk From 1918: I had a little bird it's name was Enza I opened up the window and influenza. |
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07 Feb 07 - 04:39 PM (#1960351) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: GUEST,Shimrod When it comes to the 'crunch' the governments key priority will inevitably be the shareholders. You know, I think we're doomed! |
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07 Feb 07 - 05:40 PM (#1960434) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Scrump Glad I'm not a shareholder in Bernard Matthews' "Norfolk & Good" Turkey Farms. |
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07 Feb 07 - 09:08 PM (#1960646) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: GUEST,ozchick Splott Man.... It isn't a pandemic YET. The worrying thing about the avian flu is that it is a mutating virus. At the moment it's able to be passed from birds to humans. But the human who has it is not able to pass it to another human. Apparently there is one mutation left before it can be passed from human to human - and when that happens, we're all in big trouble. |
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08 Feb 07 - 05:51 AM (#1960910) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: GUEST,JTT There's an interesting book called 1491, about the European takeover of America. It has a lot of fascinating stuff about why the American Indians fell like straw before the viruses brought by Europeans. The author dug up descriptions from the 15th century of beaches piled with bodies, and uses archeological evidence to say that the American Indians were not the hunter-gatherers of the 19th century at the time of the invasion, but were a huge population of city-dwellers, who fell to a gigantic pandemic, partly because their genetic structure was different enough to stop them fighting the infection. And the really scary thing? It was started by a guy called Bernard (?) de Soto, who brought five pigs in. Here's an article by him about the same subject. |
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28 Feb 07 - 05:44 PM (#1982208) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Jean(eanjay) The body of an aristocrat buried in East Yorkshire is being exhumed. He died of Spanish flu in 1919 and they are hoping that this exhumation may help with a potential bird flu pandemic. |
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28 Feb 07 - 05:52 PM (#1982215) Subject: RE: BS: Influenza Britain From: Jean(eanjay) I saw this on the local TV news and this is the website if anybody is interested in reading more. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/28/nsykes128.xml |