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05 Feb 07 - 12:24 PM (#1958000) Subject: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Spot Allo everybody... Eastman 515 mandolin - finish is very brittle and keeps chipping. Any "Nitromors" type stuff out there to take it off...? All info gratefully received.. :-) Regards to all... Spot |
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05 Feb 07 - 02:24 PM (#1958113) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: DonMeixner Gee Spot, I don't think I'd strip an instrument. I'm pretty skilled at such things and have built a few instruments and repaired a few dozen more. I still wouldn't do it myself. I don't have the equipment to respray correctly for one. The paint stripped will disolve any plastic sych as binding, nuts. some inlay. I give it off to a pro who is set up for the work. Also remember that if you repaint this bug you'll change the sound of it completely. Don |
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05 Feb 07 - 02:35 PM (#1958128) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Bernard Yup - I've an ancient mandolin with most of the original finish missing... it sounds great, but looks terrible. Stick with the 'distressed look' unless the sound isn't so important! |
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05 Feb 07 - 02:36 PM (#1958129) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Captain Ginger If it's shellac it will be soluble in alcohol - try a bit of methylated spirits. If it's an ordinary varnish you have a tricker problem. Don's right about Nitromors - it will eat through anything plastic as well as your varnish, and changing the finish will change the sound of the instrument. Fine wire wool on any rough bits can help, followed with a brisk polish with something like Brasso to get the scratches out. |
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05 Feb 07 - 03:04 PM (#1958158) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Jim Lad I'd love to refinish some of mine but wouldn't dare run the risk of ruining the sound. You know what they say.. "The older the fiddle..." |
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05 Feb 07 - 03:08 PM (#1958164) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Spot Allo.. Sounds like I did right asking!!! Thanks for that!! I wouldn't have used Nitromors (even I know its potent stuff!!)but maybe there's something a little softer available... or should I gently somehow "distress " the rest of it..? Don't want to alter sound - it's not so bad!! Ok...how do we gently distress Eastman 515whose finish is not very durable...?? Regards and thanks to all.... Spot |
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05 Feb 07 - 03:49 PM (#1958212) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Dead Horse If it were a bohdran, I would suggest a blow lamp. But it aint. So dont! |
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05 Feb 07 - 03:53 PM (#1958218) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Willie-O Ask Eastman. W-O |
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05 Feb 07 - 04:00 PM (#1958222) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Spot Willie-o Done that, but as yet - no reply...I somehow doubt they'll want to commit themselves. Anyway, I'm getting sold on the idea of distressing it... Didn't they used to do furniture with motorcycle chains? (got loadsa that!) Blow lamp? Has possibilities..... :-) The mind is now starting to boggle... Regards ...Spot |
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05 Feb 07 - 04:06 PM (#1958228) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Spot O aye The reason I started thinkin along these lines...a mate took a belt sander to an old Yamaha flat top. Yup - a bloody belt sander!! He must've thinned out the top to absolute minimum, by accident!! He "finished " it with Black Bison wax (bees?) and now it sounds bloody wonderful and looks very bloody wonderful..... Hmmm...One thing on a flat top...arch mando....dunno yet!! Regards to all...Spot |
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05 Feb 07 - 06:21 PM (#1958363) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: GUEST,DonMeixner Regards the Yamaha Flat top. It is my experience that one persons blind good luck is another's recipe for disaster. Don |
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05 Feb 07 - 06:26 PM (#1958367) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Bernard Yup... I know someone who tried it with an Eko Ranger, and was really disappointed to end up with a silly looking guitar and no improvement on the sound! |
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05 Feb 07 - 06:29 PM (#1958370) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: bubblyrat US actor and musician Andy Griffith stripped the varnish off his Martin dreadnought. It was succesful enough for CF Martin to issue, about 3 years ago, an Andy Griffith commemorative model based on the model that Andy originally had ( I think he got to keep it after playing it in a film ! ), but deliberately without any varnish on the top. QED. |
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05 Feb 07 - 06:42 PM (#1958386) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Ned Ludd I go with the 'don't do it' school of thought, but if you must... I made a guitar once where the finish went wrong. ( not my fault the varnish maker changed the formulation) I removed the finish by careful use of scrapers. It worked and I didn't dissolve anything. |
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06 Feb 07 - 01:36 AM (#1958655) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Gurney I've stripped an archtop with VERY CAREFUL use of scrapers, but a fiddle is another and much curvier beast. At least you would need an angle-grinder and several scrapers, the angle-grinder to reshape the scrapers to fit the curves, if you did it. If the wood in the chips is not going grey, it is possible that the chips are in an overcoat, a shadow coat or something. And before varnishing, ask a luthier for recommendations. Some varnishes are rubbery. Yes, I do carry my chips in my overcoat, before anyone asks. |
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06 Feb 07 - 04:50 AM (#1958735) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Spot Don Wise words, I think.... Ok .. I'm not doing it..it'll just have to get worse over time.. so what? It plays ok for the money. Cheers people.....Spot |
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06 Feb 07 - 05:25 AM (#1958761) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: redsnapper I've found that a product known and available over this side of the pond as K9P is most effective for distressing the finish on instruments. RS |
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06 Feb 07 - 05:31 AM (#1958767) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Spot RS... Lost me dog a coupla years ago...Good excuse for another??? Sensible suggestions only , please!! ;-) Regards ...Spot |
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06 Feb 07 - 08:56 AM (#1958923) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Jack Campin Some varnishes can be effectuvely stripped with methyl ethyl ketone (MEK). Look up a hazards sheet to find out why you might want to use a belt sander instead... |
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06 Feb 07 - 09:03 AM (#1958934) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Scrump Yup... I know someone who tried it with an Eko Ranger, and was really disappointed to end up with a silly looking guitar and no improvement on the sound! I still have one of those - it's the varnish that holds it together! |
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06 Feb 07 - 09:21 AM (#1958951) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Bernard MEK used to be used as an ink solvent in the printing industry, but has been outlawed for around thirty years, now. We used it to wash down print rollers, etc. |
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06 Feb 07 - 11:19 AM (#1959122) Subject: RE: Tech: Varnish/finish rmover From: Jack Campin Last I heard, Fred Kron still used MEK in the manufacture of his plastic bagpipe chanters. I suspect it may well be used in other factories (Far Eastern luthiers?) where the owners don't give a shit about their employees' health. I've seen amyl acetate used as a solvent in applying varnish to uds and sazes in Turkey - maybe that would dissolve the original poster's varnish? It was dramatic process. They'd wait till the end of the day when the street was clear, hang the instruments above head-height off a pole at the front of the shop, and blast them with an enormous cloud of varnish from a spray gun, leaving a yards-long cloud of varnish and amyl acetate drifting down the street. You could smell the workshop from a block away. If anybody had walked into the operation smoking it would have gone off like a bomb. |