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13 Mar 07 - 02:30 PM (#1995629) Subject: Hymns in pubs From: GUEST,Curious I read a review of a book ('Between Pulpit and Pew: Folk Religion in a North Yorkshire Fishing Village')that mentions 'singing in the pub'. Does anyone know of any tradition of singing hymns in pubs? |
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13 Mar 07 - 02:53 PM (#1995645) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: GUEST,Black Hawk Dont know about tradition but I have sung 'These Hands', 'If We Never Meet Again' and 'Peace in the Valley' in many pubs and had attentive audiences. Also, when attending a session in a seafront pub in Staithes, a local 'ancient mariner' (lovely bloke) sang 'Let the Lower Lights Keep Burning'. May not be hymns as such but are darned close! |
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13 Mar 07 - 03:06 PM (#1995660) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: skipy Please try and keep up with government, there is NO history of people singing in pubs! Skipy |
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13 Mar 07 - 03:17 PM (#1995668) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: Megan L In orkney there was a salvation army lad used to go into the pubs to sell the warcry but he never got out without singing several hymns he had such an enticing voice. |
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13 Mar 07 - 03:23 PM (#1995672) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: sian, west wales Come to Wales. That's all they bl**din' sing anymore. Pity. sian |
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13 Mar 07 - 05:05 PM (#1995766) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: r.padgett I thought that that was all the Sheffield Carols was about Singing in the Church and then singing in the Pub afterwards, leading to a general barring of the local carols and the clergy writing their own Christmas carols to be sung in Church Correct me if you know better!! |
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13 Mar 07 - 05:06 PM (#1995769) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: The Vulgar Boatman Maybe we should start a tradition of singing hymns in pubs just to see how that nice, religious Mr Bliar deals with it. Bearing in mind that we still have an established church, of which he is not a member, let's see him ban that bugger. Keep the faith brethren... |
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13 Mar 07 - 05:11 PM (#1995774) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: skipy Maybe we should start a tradition of drinking in churches, I'm up for it! Skipy |
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13 Mar 07 - 06:35 PM (#1995851) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: Bernard Naah... that Altar Wine is rubbish!! |
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14 Mar 07 - 02:49 AM (#1996047) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: John J You've tried it then....? :-) JJ BTW are we snugging terneet? |
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14 Mar 07 - 03:00 AM (#1996054) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: Fliss As you all know lots of the hymn tunes began as folk songs. So they are being played in sessions. Which folk group sang 'To be a pilgrim'? Was it Albion Band? My favourite 'hymn' tune is Slane. We play it quite often as a tune in sessions. People are surprised as they only think of it as a hymn tune, not as an Irish air. Id love to re-learn St Patricks Breastplate to sing on Saturday evening at the gig we have. |
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14 Mar 07 - 04:14 AM (#1996090) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: Scrump Maybe we should start a tradition of drinking in churches, I'm up for it! If village pubs continue to close at the current rate, maybe the churches will have to take over the function of the pub, as well as the post office and village shop. I guess that's one way to get bums on seats on Sundays :-) |
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14 Mar 07 - 04:31 AM (#1996096) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: sian, west wales Well, there used to be a tradition in Wales - "cwrw'r Achos", "the beer of the Cause". As it was explained to me, it was a small beer brewed to raise funds for chapels. Pre-Victorian, I think. Probably not actually served IN the chapels. The Drovers Arms here in town is in a terrace, adjoined to the Congregationalist Chapel's 'school room' (vestry / Sunday School room) and there used to be a hatch between the two. The pub would pass food *and drink* into the school room at lunchtime on Sunday for the visiting preacher. Back to hymns, there's a well known singer here in Wales who, for a long time, wouldn't sing hymns in pubs as a matter of principle but he's changed his mind, partly because he now accepts that some hymns are firmly entrenched as 'popular' songs ('folk'). I also know for a fact that Cwm Rhondda was nearly left out of a new hymn book in Wales a few years back because most of the Editorial committee thought it had been corrupted by use in the rugby terraces. As it happens, the member in charge of taking the final proof to the printer didn't agree ... and somehow Cwm Rhondda 'slipped in'. sian |
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14 Mar 07 - 05:14 AM (#1996119) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: The Doctor Not just in Wales. 'Church-Ale' is still used to describe a fund-raising event for a church, the idea originating in Medieval times, when the ale was brewed specially for the occasion. Harvest Ales, and ales for a variety of other festivals, are still brewed. The ale aspect of church-ale was banned at The Reformation, but like other government attempts to ban things, it was not entirely successful, and the whole concept of a church-ale, as a celebration with alcohol, is being revived. Lots of info on the net. |
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14 Mar 07 - 05:41 AM (#1996131) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: sian, west wales See - you come to Mudcat, you learn stuff. Most excellent. sian |
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14 Mar 07 - 06:55 AM (#1996176) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: Marje Here in Devon, there are quite a number of of "Church House Inns". These are very old inns set close to a church; as I understand it, the inn was built originally to provide accommodation for the stonemasons etc working on the construction of the church, which often took many years. I don't know quite how they evolved in the intervening centuries, but now they're regular pubs, owned by the Church and mangaged by tenant landlords. The churches in question are now mostly (or all?) Church of England now, although many go back to before the Reformation. To someone who was brought up in the Presbyterian/Methodist tradition, it seems a bit odd to have the Church making money out of the sale of alcohol, but it certainly does quite well out of some of Devon's most charming old inns. But do they sing hymns there? Nope, not in my experience. Marje |
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14 Mar 07 - 07:33 AM (#1996204) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: AlanG To get back to the music and awyy from this nasty talk of drinking- Fliss points out that a lot of hymn tunes originasted as folk tunes, which is undoubtidly true. You only have to go to "The English Hymnal" edited of course by RVW, which is crammed full of them. What is equally true that a lot of folk tunes originated as hymn tune. So the two have fed of each other over the centuries - it's called the folk process! Any yes JJ we are snugging tonight but I might be a little late because I'm singing an anthem in church first. |
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14 Mar 07 - 08:55 AM (#1996279) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: Scrump Any yes JJ we are snugging tonight but I might be a little late because I'm singing an anthem in church first Don't drink too much in church - save some room for ale in the snug :-) |
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14 Mar 07 - 09:04 AM (#1996288) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: GUEST,AlanG There's many a slip twixt cup and lip (or in my case fingures) Better take it steady on Bernard's Altar Wine! |
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14 Mar 07 - 12:45 PM (#1996547) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: Hollowfox Well, over here in the USA, I confess I gave my (Methodist) minister quite a jolt when I remarked, "You know, that's the first time I've ever sung that hymn in a church." It was Amazing Grace, I think. He hasn't quite got up the courage to ask me just where I was singing it, and I like to leave him wondering, just a bit. |
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14 Mar 07 - 04:16 PM (#1996789) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: GUEST,ib48 the landlords prayer |
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14 Mar 07 - 04:20 PM (#1996796) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: JedMarum I've sung hymns in Pubs in the US and have done it for years. It doesn't seem uncommon at all to me. I've seen/heard others do it too. |
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14 Mar 07 - 05:34 PM (#1996877) Subject: RE: Hymns in pubs From: Jim Lad I was in a church that had confessionals just like Dellot's Pub! |