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Tune Req: When The King Enjoys His Own Again

29 Mar 99 - 05:24 AM (#66639)
Subject: Tune To When The King Enjoys His Own Again
From: SueH

Sorry about the last posting, I changed the title of the thread but it posted the original instead (why, Max?).

Anyway, as I said previously, robokopp's web site quotes the tune as being called Marry Me, Marry Me, Quoth The Fair Maid. I haven't been able to find this anywhere - has anyone come across it.

Thanks

SueH

29 Mar 99 - 09:13 AM (#66663)
Subject: RE: Tune To When The King Enjoys His Own Again
From: Bruce O.

"When then King enjoys his own again" is given as an ABC, B511 in the ABC's for broadside ballads file on my website. "Marry me, marry me, quoth the bonnie lassie" is a Scots tune with some similarity, but not the same tune. www.erols.com/olsonw

29 Mar 99 - 10:15 AM (#66666)
Subject: RE: Tune To When The King Enjoys His Own Again
From: Pete peterson

Oh Lord I thought I was the only one in the world who cared about this tune. I'm at work & can't check my library but Chappell "Popular Music of Olden Times", Dover reprint from about 1960 or so, has it printed. What blows me away is this: the tune is the SAME tune that the New England fifing books give as "The World Turned Upside Down." And ever since then I have wanted to know-- just what DID the band play at Yorktown. Was it a big joke on the victorious army? Pete

29 Mar 99 - 11:13 AM (#66680)
Subject: RE: Tune To When The King Enjoys His Own Again
From: Bruce O.

Chappell is pretty much out of date ofr 16th and 17th century broadside ballad tunes. Claude M. Simpson's 'The British Broadside Ballad and Its Music', 1966, is the standard now for these. All 540 tunes in this, with a few additions, are given as ABC's on my website. In the CNTYDAN1 file on my website you will find another title for Martin Parker's "When the King enjoys his own again". The song was sung at a gala reception for Bonnie Prince Charlie in Edinburgh in 1745.

It's been much debated just what was played at Yorktown, as there are 3 songs, I think, that have "The World turned Upside Down" in them.

X:1
T:Marie me Marie me quoth the Bonie Lass
S:Skene MS via Dauney's 'Ancient Scottish Melodies'
Q:100
L:
M:C
K:D
ddaa|b/c'/d'/b/ c'a|d'3/2 c'/bb|a2A,2||\
d'aba/g/|f/e/f/g/af|g/a/bae|d4|d/B/d/e/dd|\
a/f/a/b/ aa|b/a/b/c'/ d'c'|c'3/2 a/ d'3/2 c'/|\
ba/b/ c'/b/a/f/|a3||b/c'/|d'aba/g/|fed/e/f/g/|\
afg/4a/4ba/4b/4|aed2||]

29 Mar 99 - 11:53 AM (#66687)
Subject: RE: Tune To When The King Enjoys His Own Again
From: Bruce O.

For a song "The World turned upside down" to the tune of "When the King enjoys his own again" see item ZN3429 in the broadside ballad index on my website.

Here's a slightly different copy of the tune than that given in Simpson's BBBM, from Vol. III of 'The Dancing Master'.

X:1
T:The Restoration of King Charles (When the King enjoys...)
S:Dancing Master, Vol III
Q:100
L:1/4
M:C|
K:C
GGcc|d/e/f/d/ e c/e/|eABc/d/|d3/2 c/c2||\
d/c/B/c/ d3/2 e/|d/c/B/c/ d3/2 e/|fAB/d/c/B/|\
A3/2 G/ G e/f/|g/a/g/f/ e d/c/|d/e/f/d/ e d/e/|\
fAGc/d/|d3/2 c/c2||]

29 Mar 99 - 12:13 PM (#66692)
Subject: RE: Tune To When The King Enjoys His Own Again
From: Bruce O.

Pete, what New England fifing books contain the tune "The world turned upside down"?

None such are cited in the article where the tune "The King enjoys..." is discussed in 'Music in Colonial Massachusetts', I, p. 110, 1980, and the authors were quite expert in 18th century New England music books and manusripts.

29 Mar 99 - 01:52 PM (#66714)
Subject: RE: Tune To When The King Enjoys His Own Again
From: Bruce O.

There is no tune called "The World turned upside down" in any American songbook, tune book, or manuscript of the 18th century cataloged in the 'National Tune Index', this includes fifing books and fife tutors to 1808, and some books of military music, and 18th century fife manuscripts. [Nor is there in any English or Scots book or manuscript cataloged.]

I will believe that about the tune in fifing books when I see the tune, and adequate evidence of its source.

29 Mar 99 - 02:18 PM (#66721)
Subject: RE: Tune To When The King Enjoys His Own Again
From: Bruce O.

I've added "The world is turned upside down" to the tune "When the King enjoys...." to the Scarce Songs 2 file on my website.

29 Mar 99 - 06:27 PM (#66769)
Subject: RE: Tune To When The King Enjoys His Own Again
From: SueH

Dear Bruce & pete

Thanks very much. I've also seen a reference to 'The World Turned Upside Down' in connection with 'When The King....' but I can't remember where.

The only recording I have heard is on a very old album of Martin Wyndham-Read's. It is a song I would dearly like to revive; I have the words & now I can get the tune as well I shall attempt to do just that!

SueH

05 Apr 06 - 06:45 PM (#1711476)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: When The King Enjoys His Own Again
From: Tootler

refresh

05 Apr 06 - 06:57 PM (#1711487)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: When The King Enjoys His Own Again
From: Tootler

A long time later, but I came across this thread while searching for words to a song from the English Civil War period Called "When the World Turned Upside Down"

The song was recorded by Maddy Prior on an album with the Broadside Band called "Hang up Sorrow and Care" and the song is about the supression by the Puritans of the traditional Christmas celebrations. I was surprised to find the words were not in the digi tradition data base but I found a set and reproduce them below.

The World Turned Upside Down


To the Tune of, When the King enioys his own again.

Listen to me and you shall hear, news hath not been this thousand year:
Since Herod, Caesar, and many more, you never heard the like before.
Holy-dayes are despis'd, new fashions are devis'd.
Old Christmas is kickt out of Town.
Yet let's be content, and the times lament, you see the world turn'd upside down.

The wise men did rejoyce to see our Savior Christs Nativity:
The Angels did good tidings bring, the Sheepheards did rejoyce and sing.
Let all honest men, take example by them.
Why should we from good Laws be bound?
Yet let's be content, &c.

Command is given, we must obey, and quite forget old Christmas day:
Kill a thousand men, or a Town regain, we will give thanks and praise amain.
The wine pot shall clinke, we will feast and drinke.
And then strange motions will abound.
Yet let's be content, &c.

Our Lords and Knights, and Gentry too, doe mean old fashions to forgoe:
They set a porter at the gate, that none must enter in thereat.
They count it a sin, when poor people come in.
Hospitality it selfe is drown'd.
Yet let's be content, &c.

The serving men doe sit and whine, and thinke it long ere dinner time:
The Butler's still out of the way, or else my Lady keeps the key,
The poor old cook, in the larder doth look,
Where is no goodnesse to be found,
Yet let's be content, &c.

To conclude, I'le tell you news that's right, Christmas was kil'd at Naseby fight:
Charity was slain at that same time, Jack Tell troth too, a friend of mine,
Likewise then did die, rost beef and shred pie,
Pig, Goose and Capon no quarter found.
Yet let's be content, and the times lament, you see the world turn'd upside down.

A midi of the tune can be found here