OK Les, I think we ARE on the same side - both opposed to cruel factory farming, ripping off poor countries and monocultural industrial farming. My point is that if you eat locally-grown, organically-raised, humanely slaughtered meat you are doing a good deed, and not endangering any habitats - quite the opposite since as I've explained organic farming doesn't use pesticides which go into the environment. If all vegetarians/vegans began to eat this kind of meat it would do an awful lot of good - the practise of intensive beef lots, force-grown on monocultures of wheat and barley, which we both oppose, would take a nasty knock. As it is vegetarians have in a sense 'dealt themselves out of the game', because they can no longer use their consumer clout as meat consumers to promote sustainable and ethical treatment of animals. The number of people who are vegetarians is not big enough to alter the status quo re. meat production, but it could give the burgeoning organic movement a huge boost.