Catsphiddle - Your request makes sense but remember you're talking to Martin - aka Burger Boy. He has said repeatedly that he doesn't come here for debate. He's here to disrupt and cause discord among the "liberals" - which is anyone who isn't him. He's a troll. And for some reason the moderators here do little or nothing to contain him. So we can only suppose that what Martin does here is acceptable to them. Burger Boy hates everything including himself. So when he pushes the envelope some of us push back. It's not very mature but when you have a two year old throwing a tantrum on a grocery store floor the time for mature discussion is over. And currently the Mudcat is the equlivant of a grocery store floor. Sad but true, just like Martin.