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GUEST,JohnInKansas US Law Query: Planning Permission for Festivals? (19) RE: US Law Query: Planning Permission for Festivals? 01 Jul 05


One nearby farmer got the idea of having a festival a couple of years ago - on his own farm. After nearly a year of planning and negotiating with his local authorities, he decided it wasn't worth it.

While his farm was not in a really "remote" location, one of his neighbors recently donated several thousand acres as a "habitat preservation preserve," and it was a small fraction of the family farm, so farms in the area are obviously big enough to isolate the noise.

One of the reasons that some of the remote areas are remote is that they don't support much of any high density use. If you're not familiar with remote ecologies, it's very difficult to understand how fragile the landscape may be. Just driving one truck across some of it can leave tracks that will be visible for 50 years or more, and if the tracks are more than "surface marks" you can change erosion patterns in ways that can significantly harm the existing uses of adjacent land a few miles away.

The cited farmer ran into serious problems with the environmental impact of having a large group of people there, and also with the liability issues. When a farmer lets someone use his land, he's generally liable for their stupidity. Just buying an insurance policy doesn't handle it. You have to create a "reasonable expectation of safety" if you let people in, and especially if you charge admission. Safety means sanitation, food, water, power, and means to provide or get people to medical facilities if there's an accident.

The most suitable locations for venues in the US usually are where someone has deliberately created a place to put on shows. County fairgrounds are a good bet in many areas, if you go to the counties close to but outside major metro areas. (Fairgrounds in the metro counties may be pretty "urbanized.")

In my area at least, most of the fairgrounds have at least some setup for camping, since fair exhibitors often "live at the fair" when it's on. They're also usually located near good roads that can handle reasonable traffic.

In an off time of year, for a smaller group, you might find an RV park that would be interested - in some parts of the country. This is less likely if it's a "wide open to the public" kind of event.

In the best of circumstances, you'll need to start planning more than a year in advance. You'll likely have to do a sales job to get the venue to accept that it's a good idea for them, and then you'll have to sell the venue to those you expect to come.

We do have friends who've had a number of "mini-festivals" on their own land without problems; but those are "private parties" and attendance is by invitation only. A recent one had about 15 or so performers, and close to 100 "friends." For a non-profit group of less than 100 or so, you might be able to reserve a "shelter" at a state or even at a Federal recreation area for a few days, but you're unlikely to get a reservation for anything you charge admission for.

John


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