tee hee, tee hee, tee hee! Thanks for all the good stuff, especially to Malcolm. The discussion was brought up as himself has written a new tune. Our newest guitar player sez it is a 'fiddle' tune, and as such, should contain no 16th notes. Now, himself is a mando player, so am assuming if it is to be labeled, it would be a MANDO tune, yes? But it did bring up the discussion as to what constitutes a fiddle tune. Me, i just refer to treble or bass clef tunes.........keeps things simpler! thanks all!