Thanks, perfect, sorry I couldn't find the thread. Its a debater and there is no answer. Just wanted to get the other variations. I have to say that Mudcat has always come up with the goods for me. I rely on it. I have never been let down. Some requests have taken years to answer but they do get answered amazingly. Whoever(s) are at the bottom of this deserve a big snog/hug/pay-rise/2nd life ! I certainly recognise Joe's name from a way back and there was a Wolfgang that always helped too. I love you all. This is a most amazing service. Jiggers
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